NoVA SugarBabies

[Mike77]

Any info on this cutie in Falls Church?

https://www.seeking.com/member/78555ddb-1084-4be7-9c5f-2a5fbb17367eFake / scammer.

Moved straight to text and sent me pics of some webcam girl names Lexi Lynch which was easy to find via reverse image search.

[NovaDaddy69]

Don't have a link to share since she blocked me before I could block her myself earlier, apparently. But while she's a real girl, she's totally consumed with one of the most prolific cases of GPS I've seen in a while. Said she's gotten $1,300-$3,300 per WEEK in allowance by her previous SDs. Ok then. $13 K a month? When I tried to brings things back down to earth she called me cheap and then blocked me after.

[AksWorld]

I can highly recommend BeautyDoctor. She is a real, 22 year old goddess who likes to please.

https://www.seeking.com/member/85a71b7b-8264-4319-9a68-705134673516

Does anyone have any information on Dulce1 K96 ?

https://www.seeking.com/member/580a454e-acab-4a25-a8dd-f843a67f0329Would you be ok with sharing the digits of beautydoctor? My seeking account has expired and not planning to renew it for couple of months.

[DickLongwood]

Fake / scammer.

Moved straight to text and sent me pics of some webcam girl names Lexi Lynch which was easy to find via reverse image search.Thanks! Lexi Lynch is hot.

[Mike77]

Thanks! Lexi Lynch is hot.She tried to act that she was this Lexi girl then when I asked her to prove it by sending a selfie with 3 fingers, crickets. LOL.

[JonFisher]

https://www.seeking.com/member/d7690f76-0137-44e7-ae03-ed736f6d7b94.

Well know scammer pulls off a pretty good act as a cop. Pretends to tear up the cash. But I am sure she pockets it. There have been previous posts about her.

[Lobsid]

She just hit me up yesterday. My account expires 2 days ago. If you guys didn't post I would reactivate my account. Time for me to take a break, and just deal with my current 7 SBs.


She tried to act that she was this Lexi girl then when I asked her to prove it by sending a selfie with 3 fingers, crickets. LOL.

[DickLongwood]

She tried to act that she was this Lexi girl then when I asked her to prove it by sending a selfie with 3 fingers, crickets. LOL.She also goes by Julie Ambrose and has done some Playboy work. Her IG pics and other info say she has ties to Maryland and Virginia.

[Mike77]

She also goes by Julie Ambrose and has done some Playboy work. Her IG pics and other info say she has ties to Maryland and Virginia.If that's really her, good luck and let us know how that goes. My money is on it being a scammer using fake pics.

[NovaDaddy69]

Kells2021.

https://www.seeking.com/member/1325e348-672c-482a-978f-df1aadbc3156

[Jsidd]

More and more girls asking for 3 just for a meet and greet. GPS and scammers are everywhere these days. Hard to find anyone who is legit.


Been back on the site now for like two weeks after a break and wow there is slim pickings you would think with the economic problems it would be easier its almost the opposite. Talked to two girls who seemed dtf and still got ghosted.

First one https://www.seeking.com/member/be63731c-afbe-4685-a484-19761b124b6b.

Talked on the site her profile seems like she doesn't like to waste time. From her photos she was pretty hot so we moved straight to text. Some small talk we set an amount easily a good deal. So I was lets meet tomorrow at a public place lets see if we click ie lets see if you look as good as your pictures before we get a hotel, or if youll let me do you in a car. She said ok to the location see you tomorrow the day of crickets.

Second one https://www.seeking.com/member/73cd0081-3657-4dce-adc5-c031e78a1a6c.

Very similar to the first one till we get to arranging a meet up she's like am two hours from you one of those girls who has the multiple location. So then I asked when will you be at the location near me. She said when someone makes it worth my while. I tuned off at that point.

Man its rough anyone got any links or recommendations for dtf girls.

[DickLongwood]

If that's really her, good luck and let us know how that goes. My money is on it being a scammer using fake pics.Yep. She started to ask for money in advance.

[InsaneManX]

https://www.seeking.com/member/95bf9e3f-2caf-4091-93e9-7d5b28119bde

Anyone met or talked with this one? I'm really interested in her.

[InSearch69]

I think she wanted 500 each meet and cfs only.


https://www.seeking.com/member/95bf9e3f-2caf-4091-93e9-7d5b28119bde

Anyone met or talked with this one? I'm really interested in her.

[GoodBoy07]

https://www.seeking.com/member/95bf9e3f-2caf-4091-93e9-7d5b28119bde

Anyone met or talked with this one? I'm really interested in her.I chatted with her a while ago. She is desperate to meet (DTF) and wants $600. Can't host or Drive (need a Uber / ride). Non stop messages do you want to meet? Are you free tonight? What about tomorrow? Are you ready now? LOL. $600 ppm is way too much for her in my book so I never met her. Looks real to me based on my chat. Try to negotiate for lower ppm.

[CireSire]

Took a chance and met up with this couple.

https://www.seeking.com/member/02f73e1e-a294-41f3-a07b-66fe859f1b84

I don't usually entertain any couple especially with the shenanigans from the site with muggers and women posing as fake cops. She gave me her number and she informed me that her and her husband are into the cuckold lifestyle. She loves to be used as it turns her on which turns her husband on. They usually book a hotel instead of having someone come to their home. She likes to video chat to make sure the person is real and for safety. I obliged and saw that she was indeed real and looked like her pics. I arrived at the hotel they booked and briefly talked to the couple and got a comfortable vibe from them. The husband likes to watch and will join in but nothing uncomfortable as he is a straight male. Its pretty much a threesome experience with you being in control of what you want. You take one end the husband takes the other etc. She really gets into the whole being used thing. She is slim and tight with nice sized boobs. 3 Franklins gets you 2 hrs of play with either covered or uncovered, BBBJ, CIP, or CIM. Had a good experience especially with the amount of flakes on the site as of late.

[InSearch69]

https://www.seeking.com/member/fecaf9b5-6922-415b-9c11-a4f3371af625

Any info on her? I might be seeing her tonight.

[InSearch69]

I think that is a long term SB that makes new accounts a lot. I think she is a nanny, small tits, okay body if I remember correctly. I can't remember her old username though.


Pros: She's real, 27, fit, chill, better looking in person and easy to talk to. Covered sex on first date but bare head and she swallows. She's looking for something longer term and allowance based.

Cons: none really. Wears a lot of makeup? Not a spinner, but not fat either.

Damage: hotel + 500 2. 5/3 hrs multi.

[InSearch69]

Paula something was her name.


I think that is a long term SB that makes new accounts a lot. I think she is a nanny, small tits, okay body if I remember correctly. I can't remember her old username though.

[Sfrancis118]

I can highly recommend BeautyDoctor. She is a real, 22 year old goddess who likes to please.

https://www.seeking.com/member/85a71b7b-8264-4319-9a68-705134673516

Does anyone have any information on Dulce1 K96 ?

https://www.seeking.com/member/580a454e-acab-4a25-a8dd-f843a67f0329I'm pretty confident I've seen her as as a pro. Her last picture where she's laying belly down on the bed I believe I've seen. Tried reverse image but no luck.

[KashMoney]

My hats off to ya brother, I couldn't get so much as a response. She's definitely my type and I'd probably put the work in for the long term with someone that looks like her. I may try reaching out to her one more time LOL.I've been talking to this one for a week. She was down to meet but wanted to know arrangement details first. Let's just say that you will need to exceed 2000 month to get her attention. I passed.

[Flash Lidar]

Paula something was her name.Thank you. She was fun but I don't plan on repeating.

[InSearch69]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

https://www.seeking.com/member/5fb3f7f2-b313-4139-94c0-978b8e0b7635

https://www.seeking.com/member/308ac657-f30d-4acd-b567-c6d7c303ada9

https://www.seeking.com/member/0141ec5d-64f1-4eda-942b-4b2b57cfcd5e

https://www.seeking.com/member/bfaf3b96-b99e-40e3-9858-d811ee55cb8a

https://www.seeking.com/member/93e60d88-e937-4d6b-be5f-a04dc13224af

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd214b-16d1-4c51-9c90-bc658260d0c5

https://www.seeking.com/member/66f5820e-7e0b-4bef-93b8-8a489f4f8f7d

https://www.seeking.com/member/b6004277-5b0e-4507-9507-a7a28a0250c2

https://www.seeking.com/member/54801b30-58c3-419a-ada7-f222b089a8da

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea3b2dc8-d514-4d1e-bddc-98a559d9f5d2

https://www.seeking.com/member/f07ba749-8585-436f-867e-de80ff7f9ffe

https://www.seeking.com/member/b228191f-a522-4442-9a6c-d3c98443457e

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a2fcfc6-2d3b-445e-adaa-3bf5f5e97670

https://www.seeking.com/member/dce73b43-ae1c-4648-a401-448d1831688f

[Sexingit]

Took a chance and met up with this couple.

https://www.seeking.com/member/02f73e1e-a294-41f3-a07b-66fe859f1b84

I don't usually entertain any couple especially with the shenanigans from the site with muggers and women posing as fake cops. She gave me her number and she informed me that her and her husband are into the cuckold lifestyle. She loves to be used as it turns her on which turns her husband on. They usually book a hotel instead of having someone come to their home. She likes to video chat to make sure the person is real and for safety. I obliged and saw that she was indeed real and looked like her pics. I arrived at the hotel they booked and briefly talked to the couple and got a comfortable vibe from them. The husband likes to watch and will join in but nothing uncomfortable as he is a straight male. Its pretty much a threesome experience with you being in control of what you want. You take one end the husband takes the other etc. She really gets into the whole being used thing. She is slim and tight with nice sized boobs. 3 Franklins gets you 2 hrs of play with either covered or uncovered, BBBJ, CIP, or CIM. Had a good experience especially with the amount of flakes on the site as of late.I'd love to get her information if it's available to seniors. I don't have a premium account on SA though.

[Dimples572]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.Congrats on the sex.

[Grafenberg]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.Salute to you, sir, that's a lot of work!

[Flash Lidar]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.Impressive list, sir!

[Pathfinder04]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

https://www.seeking.com/member/5fb3f7f2-b313-4139-94c0-978b8e0b7635

https://www.seeking.com/member/308ac657-f30d-4acd-b567-c6d7c303ada9

https://www.seeking.com/member/0141ec5d-64f1-4eda-942b-4b2b57cfcd5e

https://www.seeking.com/member/bfaf3b96-b99e-40e3-9858-d811ee55cb8a

https://www.seeking.com/member/93e60d88-e937-4d6b-be5f-a04dc13224af

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd214b-16d1-4c51-9c90-bc658260d0c5

https://www.seeking.com/member/66f5820e-7e0b-4bef-93b8-8a489f4f8f7d

https://www.seeking.com/member/b6004277-5b0e-4507-9507-a7a28a0250c2

https://www.seeking.com/member/54801b30-58c3-419a-ada7-f222b089a8da

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea3b2dc8-d514-4d1e-bddc-98a559d9f5d2

https://www.seeking.com/member/f07ba749-8585-436f-867e-de80ff7f9ffe

https://www.seeking.com/member/b228191f-a522-4442-9a6c-d3c98443457e

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a2fcfc6-2d3b-445e-adaa-3bf5f5e97670

https://www.seeking.com/member/dce73b43-ae1c-4648-a401-448d1831688fGreat work! I've had a lot of good experiences but your list has me beat. Any details on J'Taime I'm Leesburg? She looks like exactly my type.

[Rudy Wellz]

Any intel on this young lady? Is she real? A pro? Have had some back and forth convo's and can't tell.

https://www.seeking.com/member/c7bad092-f235-45f9-86ad-78d007b10c4f

[Rudy Wellz]

All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.Outstanding. Have conversed with 4 from your list, but could not get any to the FC. Baby Girl Sierraaa in particular was one I hunted for a while. Had a M&G set up, but she was a no-show.

[Decadentme]

World record for SA fun?


All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

https://www.seeking.com/member/5fb3f7f2-b313-4139-94c0-978b8e0b7635

https://www.seeking.com/member/308ac657-f30d-4acd-b567-c6d7c303ada9

https://www.seeking.com/member/0141ec5d-64f1-4eda-942b-4b2b57cfcd5e

https://www.seeking.com/member/bfaf3b96-b99e-40e3-9858-d811ee55cb8a

https://www.seeking.com/member/93e60d88-e937-4d6b-be5f-a04dc13224af

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd214b-16d1-4c51-9c90-bc658260d0c5

https://www.seeking.com/member/66f5820e-7e0b-4bef-93b8-8a489f4f8f7d

https://www.seeking.com/member/b6004277-5b0e-4507-9507-a7a28a0250c2

https://www.seeking.com/member/54801b30-58c3-419a-ada7-f222b089a8da

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea3b2dc8-d514-4d1e-bddc-98a559d9f5d2

https://www.seeking.com/member/f07ba749-8585-436f-867e-de80ff7f9ffe

https://www.seeking.com/member/b228191f-a522-4442-9a6c-d3c98443457e

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a2fcfc6-2d3b-445e-adaa-3bf5f5e97670

https://www.seeking.com/member/dce73b43-ae1c-4648-a401-448d1831688f

[Max #01]

World record for SA fun?Reverse mortgage territory for me!

[Jim Rob]

I fucked a few on your list. These girls are bigger ho's then actual SW. 99 percent will go raw. In my 3 years on SA I had to pay for 3 abortions and more pregnancy scares then I care to remember. I'm guessing I had at least 50. It's why I'm getting ready for bankruptcy. Ran up close to 50 k in debt. I was so addicted.

I calmed down now and haven't been on seeking since like September. I might go back. I'm not sure. Just way less drama with SW. But after you cum in hot college girls, hard to go back to that rubber.


All girls here are real as I have met them. Not all were my cup of tea so I didn't have long arrangements with most of them.

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

https://www.seeking.com/member/5fb3f7f2-b313-4139-94c0-978b8e0b7635

https://www.seeking.com/member/308ac657-f30d-4acd-b567-c6d7c303ada9

https://www.seeking.com/member/0141ec5d-64f1-4eda-942b-4b2b57cfcd5e

https://www.seeking.com/member/bfaf3b96-b99e-40e3-9858-d811ee55cb8a

https://www.seeking.com/member/93e60d88-e937-4d6b-be5f-a04dc13224af

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd214b-16d1-4c51-9c90-bc658260d0c5

https://www.seeking.com/member/66f5820e-7e0b-4bef-93b8-8a489f4f8f7d

https://www.seeking.com/member/b6004277-5b0e-4507-9507-a7a28a0250c2

https://www.seeking.com/member/54801b30-58c3-419a-ada7-f222b089a8da

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea3b2dc8-d514-4d1e-bddc-98a559d9f5d2

https://www.seeking.com/member/f07ba749-8585-436f-867e-de80ff7f9ffe

https://www.seeking.com/member/b228191f-a522-4442-9a6c-d3c98443457e

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a2fcfc6-2d3b-445e-adaa-3bf5f5e97670

https://www.seeking.com/member/dce73b43-ae1c-4648-a401-448d1831688f

[Uncountable]

I fucked a few on your list. These girls are bigger ho's then actual SW. 99 percent will go raw. In my 3 years on SA I had to pay for 3 abortions and more pregnancy scares then I care to remember. I'm guessing I had at least 50. It's why I'm getting ready for bankruptcy. Ran up close to 50 k in debt. I was so addicted.

I calmed down now and haven't been on seeking since like September. I might go back. I'm not sure. Just way less drama with SW. But after you cum in hot college girls, hard to go back to that rubber.Your confession has led me to do some much needed soul searching and I realized that I have spent approximately $10000 in the last 7 months that I began this hobby. I live in SoCal by the way and things are very expensive down here. I need to control myself, but like you intuited, it is hard to go back once you have tasted those sweet ladies. May God help me and have mercy on my soul, LOL.

[InSearch69]

Vasectomy is the way to go!


I fucked a few on your list. These girls are bigger ho's then actual SW. 99 percent will go raw. In my 3 years on SA I had to pay for 3 abortions and more pregnancy scares then I care to remember. I'm guessing I had at least 50. It's why I'm getting ready for bankruptcy. Ran up close to 50 k in debt. I was so addicted.

I calmed down now and haven't been on seeking since like September. I might go back. I'm not sure. Just way less drama with SW. But after you cum in hot college girls, hard to go back to that rubber.

[Dimples572]

This one's just selling pics / vids which is a shame. Body is insane.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0937b15d-bd6e-4f1b-b869-a2fbf2d09c30

[InSearch69]

I seriously doubt I am even close to the record as I'm not rich, young, or that good looking. I have more that I have seen or are currently still seeing that are not on that list.


World record for SA fun?

[Jbunk]

I think we all have a good list of some! I don't post them all because I'm having to much fun for the price. Or for free! I def know a few of the girls on here personally either through drinking at bars or school way back in the day or whatever! But thank you for posting all those wonderful ladies. Party on!


I seriously doubt I am even close to the record as I'm not rich, young, or that good looking. I have more that I have seen or are currently still seeing that are not on that list.

[InSearch69]

Couple more I forgot about.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ba9fb362-1a13-4fd3-80c0-7208e9ea5cae

https://www.seeking.com/member/e311612b-d642-4479-bdac-fe7c7abc8802

https://www.seeking.com/member/01e86a3d-c41d-43f9-8e2f-4768526d8053 I'm pretty sure this is a new account for Paula something.

https://www.seeking.com/member/83f2740d-08cc-4264-b87e-cb8fbba33dbe

[Jcinmd15]

Couple more I forgot about.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ba9fb362-1a13-4fd3-80c0-7208e9ea5cae

https://www.seeking.com/member/e311612b-d642-4479-bdac-fe7c7abc8802

https://www.seeking.com/member/01e86a3d-c41d-43f9-8e2f-4768526d8053 I'm pretty sure this is a new account for Paula something.

https://www.seeking.com/member/83f2740d-08cc-4264-b87e-cb8fbba33dbeWhat was the PPM range for these ladies?

[Tophat31]

Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.

[Jim Rob]

What was the PPM range for these ladies?Girls are wanting 500 per fuck seems standard now for average hot girl. Plus another 100 for hotel So for me it was about 600 a fuck. Unless you rolling in money it adds up fast. Being married and having to sneak out that much money under my wife's nose wasn't easy.

[Jim Rob]

Vasectomy is the way to go!Wife won't let me. I tried. I'm also cursed to be very fertile.

[Bdoe4264]

How are you managing to get out of the house during the pandemic without arousing suspicions?

Girls are wanting 500 per fuck seems standard now for average hot girl. Plus another 100 for hotel So for me it was about 600 a fuck. Unless you rolling in money it adds up fast. Being married and having to sneak out that much money under my wife's nose wasn't easy.

[InSearch69]

Easy for me, I'm divorced and live alone.


How are you managing to get out of the house during the pandemic without arousing suspicions?

Girls are wanting 500 per fuck seems standard now for average hot girl. Plus another 100 for hotel So for me it was about 600 a fuck. Unless you rolling in money it adds up fast. Being married and having to sneak out that much money under my wife's nose wasn't easy.

[Silk3434]

How are you managing to get out of the house during the pandemic without arousing suspicions?

Girls are wanting 500 per fuck seems standard now for average hot girl. Plus another 100 for hotel So for me it was about 600 a fuck. Unless you rolling in money it adds up fast. Being married and having to sneak out that much money under my wife's nose wasn't easy.Grocery shopping takes a bit longer. Also I do my grocery shopping AFTER; don't want to be coming home with melted ice cream or warm milk.

[JDeller]

I was wondering the same. I think any one of those girls is at least 300. Maybe 250 if you are lucky.


What was the PPM range for these ladies?

[AdcFellow]

Couple more I forgot about.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ba9fb362-1a13-4fd3-80c0-7208e9ea5cae

https://www.seeking.com/member/e311612b-d642-4479-bdac-fe7c7abc8802

https://www.seeking.com/member/01e86a3d-c41d-43f9-8e2f-4768526d8053 I'm pretty sure this is a new account for Paula something.

https://www.seeking.com/member/83f2740d-08cc-4264-b87e-cb8fbba33dbeGreat list. Not only are they mostly hot, but the fact that they all still have active posts is impressive. It indicates all them were recent. I tip my hat to you. I have seen many over the years, but never that many in short time. Thanks for the info.

[DCGuy1234]

Would love to know who this is LOL.


Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.

[InSearch69]

Not sure what active posts mean. But this was probably over a 2 year period. The ones that blocked me or retired I didn't bother putting on the list.


Great list. Not only are they mostly hot, but the fact that they all still have active posts is impressive. It indicates all them were recent. I tip my hat to you. I have seen many over the years, but never that many in short time. Thanks for the info.

[CireSire]

Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.Not matter how hot that chick thinks she is, the bottom line is that this is a service. What is the difference between a girl who is a 5 and one that is a 10? Answer: The amount I'm willing to pay her based on her looks. Women do the same thing hence the term YMMV. It sounds like she wasn't attracted to you at all and took advantage of you because she thinks she is " hot". Doesn't matter what you look like, your money makes you best looking MF'ker for right now to that ungrateful * insert what you like*. That makes it an even playing field. This lifestyle involves a service that both parties are willing to agree upon. If you feel like its one sided its no longer mutual. Don't make the same mistake again my friend.

[Dash]

Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.That's scary, you're lucky things didn't get worse.

I'm a believer that anything that involves travel by air is best done solo, always.

Find action where you travel to; if things get bad, you can put her in a taxi.

Nutty girls are capable of fooling us into treating them like normal people, who are reasonable; but, they're not reasonable.

I also think that a lot of girls who are on SA are more aggressive or less inhibited, so I will be extra cautious with one of them compared to a girl I met "freestyle". O.

[Rudy Wellz]

I fucked a few on your list. These girls are bigger ho's then actual SW. 99 percent will go raw. In my 3 years on SA I had to pay for 3 abortions and more pregnancy scares then I care to remember. I'm guessing I had at least 50. It's why I'm getting ready for bankruptcy. Ran up close to 50 k in debt. I was so addicted.

I calmed down now and haven't been on seeking since like September. I might go back. I'm not sure. Just way less drama with SW. But after you cum in hot college girls, hard to go back to that rubber.I spend about 30 to 40 K a year on SB related activities. Yes, it's a lot of money, but cheaper than divorce! And I second the recommendation on vasectomy. Totally addicted to barebacking these young hotties.

[Decadentme]

Me too. She's probably wonderfully freaky, in the right circumstance, and under the proper controls.


Would love to know who this is LOL.

[Tophat31]

Me too. She's probably wonderfully freaky, in the right circumstance, and under the proper controls.Well she isn't on SA as far as I can tell. I have made new accounts several times so its not a blocking issue. I am convinced she is low volume which is why I tended to trust her. I only saw her on SA one time and that's when we first met 2 years ago.

I have spent time studying sociopathy and it describes her in scary detail. I what I knew before so I could've been better prepared. Also studied psychopathy which is similar but different and that reminds me of a friends with benefits relationship from many years ago that was an arrangement as well. I suspect alot of the girls on SA fall into those two categories so watch a few videos as it could help not only to avoid mistakes but how to talk to them.

Her looks were like a 9. 5. Seriously every guy was staring at her in her bikini while at the pool. If they only knew LOL. I was hoping someone would've took her off my hands.

[Futuopedico]

https://www.seeking.com/member/110f1039-abcc-4f24-af54-300b9d548a68

She hit me up on chat in seeking. Was quick to ask what I was looking for and gave me her text. She was saying she was down for a ppm hookup for 120, but needed something now. She said she would be down for GFE. Told her to send me a pic and then a body pic. She sent both and then asked her to send me a selfie with a right fist and the thumb on her chin. Got something with left hand. Told her I would meet but not upfront any money. She told me I was full of shit and said bye.

[Silk3434]

Me: Been doing AMP and the occasional escort on and off again for the better part of 10 years. Never even thought about doing SD / SB thing until coming across this forum. Some impressive stories out there and some scary ones.

Her: Waitress at a restaurant I've been going to for a while. Late 20's. Asian. Body is a 9, skinny, big tits, face a 7, smile a 9.

Story: I overheard it was her birthday and after leaving the restaurant, went to ATM and came back and gave her $100 and told her that I wanted to help her celebrate her birthday the right way. Told me it meant a lot and we chatted for a few min. Told me she was trying to get a second job to help pay off student loan debt. I suggested that maybe we could both help each other out with a special friendship. Her eyes lit up and said she was new at this and might need some help. I told her don't worry, let me have your number and we can text and go from there. So we've been texting for a couple days and trying to setup a coffee meeting to discuss this new friendship.

That's where we are. I didn't tell her I was brand new at this either. Obviously don't want to be scammed. She doesn't seem that way but money has a funny way of making people act not normal LOL.

Any tips / suggestions how to approach this going forward? Don't want to spoil this delicious peach.

[Flash Lidar]

https://www.seeking.com/member/be376517-d7aa-4475-8e97-c257778fcd64

https://www.seeking.com/member/c35b5181-b18b-4828-ac6e-12312d7e4855

Both have similar stories. Single mom, lost job because of covid, etc. Basically having a rough go at it. I've talked to both and met Annabell in person. They're both very sweet but shouldn't be on SA. I got the impression that they're looking for something more like a traditional relationship vs arrangement. Just my .02.

[InSearch69]

Be honest. Ask her what she wants or tell her what you are offering. Let her know you expect (and I'll just use this as an example) once a week meetups for a minimum of 2 hours. Condom sex, no condom BJ, no anal expected. Depending on schedule, age difference etc maybe lunch or dinner dates. Discuss if overnight is an option. Or traveling for a weekend. Spend a couple of days reading the boards for shit that can go sideways. Read the richmond SB forum also. You can also PM members for individual advice.


Me: Been doing AMP and the occasional escort on and off again for the better part of 10 years. Never even thought about doing SD / SB thing until coming across this forum. Some impressive stories out there and some scary ones.

Her: Waitress at a restaurant I've been going to for a while. Late 20's. Asian. Body is a 9, skinny, big tits, face a 7, smile a 9.

Story: I overheard it was her birthday and after leaving the restaurant, went to ATM and came back and gave her $100 and told her that I wanted to help her celebrate her birthday the right way. Told me it meant a lot and we chatted for a few min. Told me she was trying to get a second job to help pay off student loan debt. I suggested that maybe we could both help each other out with a special friendship. Her eyes lit up and said she was new at this and might need some help. I told her don't worry, let me have your number and we can text and go from there. So we've been texting for a couple days and trying to setup a coffee meeting to discuss this new friendship.

That's where we are. I didn't tell her I was brand new at this either. Obviously don't want to be scammed. She doesn't seem that way but money has a funny way of making people act not normal LOL.

Any tips / suggestions how to approach this going forward? Don't want to spoil this delicious peach.

[Max #01]

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.The flight home with her must have been a heck of a trip!

[CireSire]

https://www.seeking.com/member/110f1039-abcc-4f24-af54-300b9d548a68

She hit me up on chat in seeking. Was quick to ask what I was looking for and gave me her text. She was saying she was down for a ppm hookup for 120, but needed something now. She said she would be down for GFE. Told her to send me a pic and then a body pic. She sent both and then asked her to send me a selfie with a right fist and the thumb on her chin. Got something with left hand. Told her I would meet but not upfront any money. She told me I was full of shit and said bye.This girl is probably real but is a scammer. She was in Woodbridge and she wanted to see me so bad but didn't have a babysitter. So of course she ask me to send her money so she can pay her baby sitter and she can come see me. I replied I can come by where she is and give her the money in hand. Of course she declined and wanted no parts of meeting LOL. I immediately stopped communication with her as I hate to waste time dealing with scammers.

[Futuopedico]

https://www.seeking.com/member/f8b7aa6b-fbcb-4436-8b99-8cdb7ffb522b

She hit me up for privates without saying anything else. Obliged and started to chat. We seemed to be on the same idea for an arrangment. She said lets continue via email and asked me to hit her up at msam335051 at the g. Her email had a couple of pics and that she really wanted to know more about me in detail (Her questions in th efirst email were how long I have been on SA, if I had any luck, and what I like to do for fun. Provided the answers and when I heard from her again, she indicated she was in Dubai. She was apparently there on a business trip, but the app said US. Now I get she could be VPN'd into the US, but its just getting weird.

[Grasshopping]

https://www.seeking.com/member/f8b7aa6b-fbcb-4436-8b99-8cdb7ffb522b

She hit me up for privates without saying anything else. Obliged and started to chat. We seemed to be on the same idea for an arrangment. She said lets continue via email and asked me to hit her up at msam335051 at the g. Her email had a couple of pics and that she really wanted to know more about me in detail (Her questions in th efirst email were how long I have been on SA, if I had any luck, and what I like to do for fun. Provided the answers and when I heard from her again, she indicated she was in Dubai. She was apparently there on a business trip, but the app said US. Now I get she could be VPN'd into the US, but its just getting weird.She's doing the same thing to me too right this moment. Gave me her email address immediately and sent me a copied and paste message (it was very obvious to me). Plus the 2 same pics that don't match her profile pics and her age of 37 year old She claims she was born and raised in Mexico so I was going to test her Spanish a bit since I'm fluent in it. I also asked her to meet up this week on my reply just to filter out the bad apples. Maybe no more wasting time. Asking to communicate on email was strange to me and I smelled scammer from that first email she sent. Thanks for the report.

[ChrisCarr]

Grocery shopping takes a bit longer. Also I do my grocery shopping AFTER; don't want to be coming home with melted ice cream or warm milk.Exactly. I got a fatty to do a meet and greet blow job in a walmart parking lot, raced thru my shopping list, worked out fine.

[ChrisCarr]

I have anecdotal stories about being in the same position you are in now. My advice is what I'd tell me in those situations. 300 to a newb SB is all the money. If she starts googling this lifestyle expect to pay 500. My first SB was a freestyle, and I tried to keep it going at 150 a pop. After a while she figured out she could get a whole lot more, and stopped replying to my texts.


Me: Been doing AMP and the occasional escort on and off again for the better part of 10 years. Never even thought about doing SD / SB thing until coming across this forum. Some impressive stories out there and some scary ones.

Her: Waitress at a restaurant I've been going to for a while. Late 20's. Asian. Body is a 9, skinny, big tits, face a 7, smile a 9.

Story: I overheard it was her birthday and after leaving the restaurant, went to ATM and came back and gave her $100 and told her that I wanted to help her celebrate her birthday the right way. Told me it meant a lot and we chatted for a few min. Told me she was trying to get a second job to help pay off student loan debt. I suggested that maybe we could both help each other out with a special friendship. Her eyes lit up and said she was new at this and might need some help. I told her don't worry, let me have your number and we can text and go from there. So we've been texting for a couple days and trying to setup a coffee meeting to discuss this new friendship.

That's where we are. I didn't tell her I was brand new at this either. Obviously don't want to be scammed. She doesn't seem that way but money has a funny way of making people act not normal LOL.

Any tips / suggestions how to approach this going forward? Don't want to spoil this delicious peach.

[ChrisCarr]

Saw her last month. Waste of time and money. The session went well for the most part but it was nothing special. Seems she fell off the radar here.

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/member/110f1039-abcc-4f24-af54-300b9d548a68She was saying she was down for a ppm hookup for 120That should have thrown a red flag right there. No legit girl is going to flat out ask for a PPM that low. If it seems to be too good to be true, it always is.

[LatinaLover2]

She's doing the same thing to me too right this moment. Gave me her email address immediately and sent me a copied and paste message (it was very obvious to me). Plus the 2 same pics that don't match her profile pics and her age of 37 year old She claims she was born and raised in Mexico so I was going to test her Spanish a bit since I'm fluent in it. I also asked her to meet up this week on my reply just to filter out the bad apples. Maybe no more wasting time. Asking to communicate on email was strange to me and I smelled scammer from that first email she sent. Thanks for the report.SA has continuously gotten worse over the last year. Too many pic sellers, frauds, men posing as women from all over the world and constant price increases!

And SA does nothing about policing the site. Never give you email or number until you are absolutely sure your talking to the person your think your talking to.

[Futuopedico]

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

Pics look awesome. Chatted and she was down to meet today. Texted and she said she wants 6 bills for ppm, but can't host. I can't host either so the sum with a room is beyond my means.

[Futuopedico]

Anyone know her. Met on seeking and wants to meet. She is using something like Katie Kate and is in Herndon. She had a previous profile called tiny dancer.

[CireSire]

This one is a real girl scamming people for money and will never meet. It seems this is the new norm for SA. Girl will hand out number and since you hear a voice it automatically means non scammer. They will either then ask gas for a meet or some kind of money exchange before an actual meet. This young lady is one of them.

https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/dbb45f15-89f1-46aa-adf4-ec5339d23085

[InSearch69]

Link from your message box don't work.


This one is a real girl scamming people for money and will never meet. It seems this is the new norm for SA. Girl will hand out number and since you hear a voice it automatically means non scammer. They will either then ask gas for a meet or some kind of money exchange before an actual meet. This young lady is one of them.

https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/dbb45f15-89f1-46aa-adf4-ec5339d23085

[CireSire]

Link from your message box don't work.https://www.seeking.com/member/1aaab856-3b3a-4380-b8d0-02be60442a26

[DCGuy1234]

She's been discussed here before at length under several different names. She will meet up and arrange to have you beaten and robbed. Not joking, stay away.


Anyone know her. Met on seeking and wants to meet. She is using something like Katie Kate and is in Herndon. She had a previous profile called tiny dancer.

[Lobsid]

She is a well known robber. She set up a new account every other week. Just go back on this thread with in the past 3 months. She been talk about many times here.


Anyone know her. Met on seeking and wants to meet. She is using something like Katie Kate and is in Herndon. She had a previous profile called tiny dancer.

[Bdoe4264]

She's 50 and wants $850 per meet.

I told her that is the monthly amount she'll get in social security next month.

[Grasshopping]

SA has continuously gotten worse over the last year. Too many pic sellers, frauds, men posing as women from all over the world and constant price increases!
And SA does nothing about policing the site. Never give you email or number until you are absolutely sure your talking to the person your think your talking to.I use a Google voice number and I have multiple email addresses that I use. The email I gave out in the case is used to registered on adult sites only and it's not tied to any presence online. So I think I am pretty safe. O don't give out my real name either to these SB nor so I use any profile pics that are used elsewhere online. You just have to protect yourself as best as possible by obscuring your identity.

[Grasshopping]

https://www.seeking.com/member/beb0492a-919b-4464-afae-d72c932f3076

Pics look awesome. Chatted and she was down to meet today. Texted and she said she wants 6 bills for ppm, but can't host. I can't host either so the sum with a room is beyond my means.Thanks. Was just chatting with her today too. We just did the cordial salutation haven't gotten down to discussing details yet. That is out of my price range as well. If she ends up quoting me a different price, I will be sure to post here.

[Futuopedico]

She is a well known robber. She set up a new account every other week. Just go back on this thread with in the past 3 months. She been talk about many times here.I think she just created another account.

https://www.seeking.com/member/299eb061-7f7c-4a3f-97ca-69804d936779

[LvYngP]

That's scary, you're lucky things didn't get worse.

I'm a believer that anything that involves travel by air is best done solo, always.

Find action where you travel to; if things get bad, you can put her in a taxi.

Nutty girls are capable of fooling us into treating them like normal people, who are reasonable; but, they're not reasonable.

I also think that a lot of girls who are on SA are more aggressive or less inhibited, so I will be extra cautious with one of them compared to a girl I met "freestyle". O.Sounds like you had a date with my recent ex. My sincere apologies. LOL.

[CireSire]

She's 50 and wants $850 per meet.

I told her that is the monthly amount she'll get in social security next month.That was hilarious. I'm glad someone knocked her down bit. She was 30 birthdays too late with that quote.

[DcGuy246]

Any intel on this one? I know I saw a few posts awhile back but wanted to see if anyone took the plunge.

https://www.seeking.com/member/1df48912-5bdb-4397-ae6e-4494190d9ba9

[Pathfinder04]

Any intel on this one? I know I saw a few posts awhile back but wanted to see if anyone took the plunge.

https://www.seeking.com/member/1df48912-5bdb-4397-ae6e-4494190d9ba9She's real with a good sense of humor and personality. Not everyone's cup of tea physically but I found her cute, fun and good in bed. Damage was low, I believe 200.

[Pathfinder04]

Is anyone else having issues with SA saying you are "not connected to the internet"? It's been happening a lot and I don't know if it is a Seeking issue or my provider. Naturally Seeking customer support is nonresponsive.

[Brandon97]

Is anyone else having issues with SA saying you are "not connected to the internet"? It's been happening a lot and I don't know if it is a Seeking issue or my provider. Naturally Seeking customer support is nonresponsive.I get the same message regularly but in Seeking's defense it seems to coincide with when my Wi-Fi symbol shows a temporary loss of signal. The page I was trying to load (profile, search, whatever) seems to load as soon as my Wi-Fi signal comes back. That would lead me to believe it is an issue with the connection as opposed to the site. However, I will admit it seems to happen on Seeking a little more often than other sites, possibly a coincidence though. Does the device you're using have a symbol that shows bars or Wi-Fi signal? If so, just look at that to see if your signal is good when you get that message. I do that and it seems to indicate that my Wi-Fi blips for a second or two sometimes as opposed to it being an issue with their website.

[Jcinmd15]

She's 50 and wants $850 per meet.

I told her that is the monthly amount she'll get in social security next month.That is funny! I actually met her for lunch and had a date for $400. She is a pleaser and open to lots of fantasy ideas. She told me she quotes high to less desirable men.

[Jsidd]

It was on wyp, and her location was DC but during a msg she said meet her in leesburg at some restaurant at 9 pm during the week. I wasn't going to do that so she went quiet. Let me know how it goes, saw her on SA recently too.


Any intel on this one? I know I saw a few posts awhile back but wanted to see if anyone took the plunge.

https://www.seeking.com/member/1df48912-5bdb-4397-ae6e-4494190d9ba9

[Mike77]

She's 50 and wants $850 per meet.

I told her that is the monthly amount she'll get in social security next month.I've noticed that the older ladies seem to demand a higher ask and are rarely flexible. There's a number of 30-40 year olds that I would like to get to know, but not if they're 25-100% higher than their 20 year old counterparts. And keep in mind that most that are 30+ are likely not being 100% honest about their age. I've met a few and they either admitted to lying or I found out through research that they lied. I did have an amazing long term arrangement with someone who claimed she was 33 and was actually 10 years older, but she was in amazing shape for her age and could easily pass for the age she claimed. And she was in her sexual peak and had an insatiable appetite and offered to adjust her gift substantially when I was between jobs without me asking. She was pretty much a unicorn.

[Jim Rob]

Sounds like you had a date with my recent ex. My sincere apologies. LOL.You ever notice that really good pussy never stays around. But that crazy pussy you can't get rid of. That crazy Pussy will harass you stalk you and threaten to black mail you.

I have had times prayed to god to have these women leave me alone. I have prayed for the good pussy to come back. Never ever use your real phone. Never let them keep the room. Never let them know your real name.

[Grasshopping]

https://www.seeking.com/member/60cd97ba-5696-4325-9876-3be9c9966ef2

Not sure if anyone has the same experience. This person keeps favoritng me time and time again... i can't keep track how many times it has been but I'd say at least 10 times.
Her profile would disappear (or I block her immediately) and then later will resurface with a brand new profile and then favorite me. Every time he / she uses the same person in the profile pics. We never exchanged messages and I simply block her when I see her favoriting me. She could be a Russian spy for all I know LOL.

[MetalKnight21]

Long time listener, first time poster.

https://www.seeking.com/member/24260d80-6d11-4e43-bd36-ea99efa776b8

Have a thing for brown girls so agreed to 500 ppm. We meet up and she tells me about how she's an influencer, blah blah blah. Nice body, no BBBJ but got BBFS without cip. Not that interesting to talk to, ok in bed. Got one out of her before she said she was tired, had to leave. Scheduling is a pain though, pretty much noncommunicative until last minute. Saw her again, same performance, but I quit trying to schedule with her after the second time was even worse. Maybe worth it one time if she's your type, too much hassle for anything more.

[Mike77]

she tells me about how she's an influencerThat would have had me blocking her right there. She's basically telling you she's going to be a PITA and GPS because she thinks she's now famous because she has a few thousand followers on IG and a few small, unknown companies offered to give her some free cheap crap for her posting pictures with said items.

[Pathfinder04]

https://www.seeking.com/member/67279453-b5e4-4273-8978-f1aac178ed33

The face and body look a bit like her and the conversation is a little suspicious. She immediately told me she could host and to bring 250. I'm going to pass unless someone can vouch for her.

[Sufuyuyg8]

https://www.seeking.com/member/67279453-b5e4-4273-8978-f1aac178ed33

The face and body look a bit like her and the conversation is a little suspicious. She immediately told me she could host and to bring 250. I'm going to pass unless someone can vouch for her.Not sure who you are thinking of. I'm pretty sure it's this girl.

https://fairfax.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/back-in-town/790738637711

[Deranged]

I'm pretty confident I've seen her as as a pro. Her last picture where she's laying belly down on the bed I believe I've seen. Tried reverse image but no luck.This is her: https://www.bluegems.com/the-ladies/sophie-2/.

[Grasshopping]

This is her: https://www.bluegems.com/the-ladies/sophie-2/.I messaged her on SA but looks like she took her profile down for some reason.

[NovaDaddy69]

One of the more frustrating types of scammers, in that you waste a whole bunch of time before realizing it.

We talked on and off for more than a week and then finally settled on a night and time to meet. Said she'd text 30 minutes before leaving for the hotel so I could do the same. Then when the time arrives said ok I'm ready to leave, oh by the way I meant to let you know I need you to send half the allowance in advance before I go. Good lord. When I declined she ghosted. At least I've learned from the sage advice of this board and didn't book the room in advance.

Blocked her immediately before I thought to save the url so I could share here. Profile lists Bethesda as her location.

[Pathfinder04]

https://www.seeking.com/member/e9cb76c8-f5b1-42c3-b1a2-cc4488655de1

Has anyone met this lady? We've been chatting for awhile and I'm thinking of taking the plunge. Getting a possible traveling pro vibe but I'm not sure.

[Honey Butter]

https://www.seeking.com/member/e9cb76c8-f5b1-42c3-b1a2-cc4488655de1

Has anyone met this lady? We've been chatting for awhile and I'm thinking of taking the plunge. Getting a possible traveling pro vibe but I'm not sure.Sorry, I don't have any intel on her, but damn if she doesn't have crazy eyes in a few of those shots. The last time I saw eyes like that was in the 90's when a crazy gal I dated a few times climbed up to my second-floor balcony to sneak in and "snuggle" - cops came and she had a 4. 5" butterfly knife in her purse. Stay safe.

[InSearch69]

https://www.seeking.com/member/e1935d6a-67a5-4ef9-9146-725b12354c9f

Anyone have any info? Supposedly meeting this evening.

[DCKing]

I didn't know she's on this site. I actually met her outside of this site, at a bar long time ago. She has opened up a health bar / shake place I think. LOL. All these young girls think they are influencers. 500 is too much for her, but there are not a lot of brown girls available.


Long time listener, first time poster.

https://www.seeking.com/member/24260d80-6d11-4e43-bd36-ea99efa776b8

Have a thing for brown girls so agreed to 500 ppm. We meet up and she tells me about how she's an influencer, blah blah blah. Nice body, no BBBJ but got BBFS without cip. Not that interesting to talk to, ok in bed. Got one out of her before she said she was tired, had to leave. Scheduling is a pain though, pretty much noncommunicative until last minute. Saw her again, same performance, but I quit trying to schedule with her after the second time was even worse. Maybe worth it one time if she's your type, too much hassle for anything more.

[Ernest Ll]

https://www.seeking.com/member/6ae7cd56-04b8-4bbc-a39d-1ba1e08af699

So pretty much admitting she is banging multiple guys.

"Schedule currently full, check back for changes*.

"Do not discuss me between other SDs. I will find out, and I will end it with everyone involved."

[InSearch69]

https://www.seeking.com/member/e1935d6a-67a5-4ef9-9146-725b12354c9f

[Jbunk]

Did why'all hook up or anything?

What did ya she want?


https://www.seeking.com/member/e1935d6a-67a5-4ef9-9146-725b12354c9f

[DirteeBoy]

Met her on SA, when we started texting, I googled her # and saw her ad on STG. By that time she quoted 400, for 1 hr. WTF, that's usually a good sign of a pro, when they quote for an hour. LOL.

Then I just asked the question, "if I give you 4, can I cum inside of you twice? She told me I had gone too far and to F off, LOL hahahaha fucking girls.

Not sure if she is our robber, but I don't think so based on my interaction with her.


Not sure who you are thinking of. I'm pretty sure it's this girl.

[URL]https://fairfax.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/back-in-town/790738637711[/URL.

[BobDingle10]

Saw her last month. Waste of time and money. The session went well for the most part but it was nothing special. Seems she fell off the radar here.Same experience. Cool but not special. She did at least quote me a lower price for subsequent meetings. Killer body though. Guess YMMV really applies. Would see one more time just to see if things get better with familiarity.

[Pathfinder04]

Met her on SA, when we started texting, I googled her # and saw her ad on STG. By that time she quoted 400, for 1 hr. WTF, that's usually a good sign of a pro, when they quote for an hour. LOL.

Then I just asked the question, "if I give you 4, can I cum inside of you twice? She told me I had gone too far and to F off, LOL hahahaha fucking girls.

Not sure if she is our robber, but I don't think so based on my interaction with her.Either either way, I like your style!

[CireSire]

Anyone ever meet or chat with this one?

https://www.seeking.com/member/c83031d8-f331-4f71-990d-148e23db31f0

[Grafenberg]

Anyone ever meet or chat with this one?

https://www.seeking.com/member/c83031d8-f331-4f71-990d-148e23db31f0Looks like her account is closed, I think she was scared of the hundreds if not thousands of new visits to her profile.

[Dimples572]

Is this our lithe thief? Just had her reach out to me.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bdd6bd0f-345c-48e0-860c-864a8e43f5f9

[DickLongwood]

Is this our lithe thief? Just had her reach out to me.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bdd6bd0f-345c-48e0-860c-864a8e43f5f9I believe it is!

[Dimples572]

I believe it is!Has anyone called her out, told her were onto her bullshit scam and threatened her with law enforcement or anything? Something to try and deter from continuing to do this bs?

[JonFisher]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dd80d3a9-42be-4a2e-9f50-be06e70b393d

I know a few on here have been talking to her. But did anyone really meet her. , trying to decide myself. And any info will help. Pm me if you want to.

[RegularJoe1985]

Has anyone called her out, told her were onto her bullshit scam and threatened her with law enforcement or anything? Something to try and deter from continuing to do this bs?I strongly suggest that no one does the above.

IMHO, Better to keep an eye out and monitor her profile as people have been doing, keep posting her new profile.

She's stupid enough to use her own pics, let's not give her an opportunity to change all that and make it difficult for us to monitor her.

[GameTheory1]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dd80d3a9-42be-4a2e-9f50-be06e70b393d

I know a few on here have been talking to her. But did anyone really meet her. , trying to decide myself. And any info will help. Pm me if you want to.Met her months ago, toward beginning of the pandemic. We had a socially distanced date with a fun twist. Wine on a park bench. Then we went for a hike and I dared her to blow me on the trail. And she did!

Ended with a nice facial to boot. I kept my mask on.

Never saw her again as she refused to get a covid test.

I bought the wine, that was all!

[Bdoe4264]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dda9c3bb-ff69-4abf-9049-453f3539d306

Yes, it makes sense to pay money to a couple for a platonic relationship so she can finish study while the deadbeat boyfriend can freeload.

I thought I had seen it all.

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dda9c3bb-ff69-4abf-9049-453f3539d306

Yes, it makes sense to pay money to a couple for a platonic relationship so she can finish study while the deadbeat boyfriend can freeload.

I thought I had seen it all.SA has reached an all time new low.

[BobDingle10]

https://www.seeking.com/member/997caccb-70e3-4656-bdd9-a556b3dca435

Speaking of stupid profiles- I write her with the standard approach. I get the following in response from her:

Expectations: I am really looking to make healthy and strong connections. The pandemic has really created a unique situation where we are all longing for interconnectivity. To be upfront: I am not looking to have sex for money. Instead, I am open for a PPM arrangement where I will be amazing company for you, and spend quality time with you (enjoying the finer things in life). I am open to some light forms of affection (I. E. Holding hands, hugging, etc.) and keeping you company for as long as you desire. I am a young, beautiful, charismatic and educated woman who, I am quite certain, you will want around you in any capacity. I am desired by many, but only a few can keep my interest. I make a six figure income and although that has allowed for some form of financial stability, I do have student debts I am working towards bringing down substantially which has brought me here. If the above is something you would be interested in, and you are open to this arrangement, please reach out.

[Dimples572]

https://www.seeking.com/member/997caccb-70e3-4656-bdd9-a556b3dca435

Speaking of stupid profiles- I write her with the standard approach. I get the following in response from her:

Expectations: I am really looking to make healthy and strong connections. The pandemic has really created a unique situation where we are all longing for interconnectivity. To be upfront: I am not looking to have sex for money. Instead, I am open for a PPM arrangement where I will be amazing company for you, and spend quality time with you (enjoying the finer things in life). I am open to some light forms of affection (I. E. Holding hands, hugging, etc.) and keeping you company for as long as you desire. I am a young, beautiful, charismatic and educated woman who, I am quite certain, you will want around you in any capacity. I am desired by many, but only a few can keep my interest. I make a six figure income and although that has allowed for some form of financial stability, I do have student debts I am working towards bringing down substantially which has brought me here. If the above is something you would be interested in, and you are open to this arrangement, please reach out.LOL. I hit her up as well and after she looked at my profile she just replied back asking if I'd read her whole profile. I went and took a look at it again and I'd missed the part that says Platonic so I just replied with nevermind.

[PhillUponThese]

Thanks for sharing! Damn that was funny. She lives on planet delusional for sure!!


LOL. I hit her up as well and after she looked at my profile she just replied back asking if I'd read her whole profile. I went and took a look at it again and I'd missed the part that says Platonic so I just replied with nevermind.

[Rudy Wellz]

I occassionaly like the older SB's. Good change from the 22 yo flakes. All of these SB's have all been on the site for a while. Any info would be helpful.

Rosay20.

https://www.seeking.com/member/875d5526-ef93-4295-bbe3-1faefee3e689

Talked to her over a year ago. Could not get her to cross the river into Northern VA so we never met. Great body if you like them a little thick.

Pecan Rose.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0e1e8fe7-ecae-8b7a-43be-e47c938b3787

Has been on the site since 2008! She must have membership #1.

Miss Amazing.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6850d5e9-29d6-45a4-b0e1-530c989ff47f

We've talked of and on, but as she frequently disappears from the site. Recently asked for my availability, but hasn't responded to my answers.

Sassy Darling.

https://www.seeking.com/member/3cceb457-d155-403c-b27a-a283a2bdd2f4

Had a M&G set up with her last year. She was over an hour late (I leave after finishing 1 drink. Usually 15 to 20 minutes) and then wanted me to send her an Uber 30 minutes away to pick her up. Great photos and crazy sexy body.

[BobDingle10]

Miss Amazing.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6850d5e9-29d6-45a4-b0e1-530c989ff47f

We've talked of and on, but as she frequently disappears from the site. Recently asked for my availability, but hasn't responded to my answers.

Saw Ms. Amazing sorta. Was willing to come to me but if she's not mobile she's way out in Hagerstown. Hosted in a dumpy room. Absolutely has a smoking body, pretty face, 100% pic-accurate BUT: Some obvious signs of use. Had splotchy rash just above her bottom. Some questionable bumps in the pubic area (could have been ingrown hair but why chance it?) Indicated she was very willing to go CIP but obviously I strapped up. Was sorta turned off and the atmosphere wasn't helping so I just opted for some head and called it a night.

Continued to stay in contact as she offered a couple of her girlfriends up to me either solo or with her. Great attitude but man, the game and / or baby daddy spoiled a hot one. This was is in fall 2019 so any and all of this info could have changed and as always YMMV.

[TheYoungMonger]

https://www.seeking.com/member/997caccb-70e3-4656-bdd9-a556b3dca435

Speaking of stupid profiles- I write her with the standard approach. I get the following in response from her:

Expectations: I am really looking to make healthy and strong connections. The pandemic has really created a unique situation where we are all longing for interconnectivity. To be upfront: I am not looking to have sex for money. Instead, I am open for a PPM arrangement where I will be amazing company for you, and spend quality time with you (enjoying the finer things in life). I am open to some light forms of affection (I. E. Holding hands, hugging, etc.) and keeping you company for as long as you desire. I am a young, beautiful, charismatic and educated woman who, I am quite certain, you will want around you in any capacity. I am desired by many, but only a few can keep my interest. I make a six figure income and although that has allowed for some form of financial stability, I do have student debts I am working towards bringing down substantially which has brought me here. If the above is something you would be interested in, and you are open to this arrangement, please reach out.It's definitely a copy paste because she sent me the exact same message, too, out of nowhere.

[Dimples572]

Anyone ever met this one? We've just started chatting but we've had some fun banter back and forth so far. Seems like a cool personality. If anyone's had any experience please PM me. Thanks.

https://www.seeking.com/member/904a1db4-927b-e8ba-fa0c-18698a232e1e

[David032]

Saw Ms. Amazing sorta. Was willing to come to me but if she's not mobile she's way out in Hagerstown. Hosted in a dumpy room. Absolutely has a smoking body, pretty face, 100% pic-accurate BUT: Some obvious signs of use. Had splotchy rash just above her bottom. Some questionable bumps in the pubic area (could have been ingrown hair but why chance it?) Indicated she was very willing to go CIP but obviously I strapped up. Was sorta turned off and the atmosphere wasn't helping so I just opted for some head and called it a night.

Continued to stay in contact as she offered a couple of her girlfriends up to me either solo or with her. Great attitude but man, the game and / or baby daddy spoiled a hot one. This was is in fall 2019 so any and all of this info could have changed and as always YMMV.Not sure what her deal was but saw her last in March 2020. She is on something, not sure what her demons are, but she has them. When I saw her the first time I was pretty sure she was a pro. But never found her advertising on any known sites. But basically anything you want is on the menu. I mean anything and cheap to I paid 2 bills got greek multiple pops and a video. I didn't do bare because yeah she's been used. If you got money she will do what ever you want. I saw her 3 or 4 tmes till I left the area she was an easy cheap way to get off. Wasn't reliable till after first meet up.

[Rudy Wellz]

Not sure what her deal was but saw her last in March 2020. She is on something, not sure what her demons are, but she has them. When I saw her the first time I was pretty sure she was a pro. But never found her advertising on any known sites. But basically anything you want is on the menu. I mean anything and cheap to I paid 2 bills got greek multiple pops and a video. I didn't do bare because yeah she's been used. If you got money she will do what ever you want. I saw her 3 or 4 tmes till I left the area she was an easy cheap way to get off. Wasn't reliable till after first meet up.Thanks. Will leave this one alone.

[Spratty711]

I have been laying low for months but ready to play after being vaccinated.

Does anyone have an info on the following.

LocdGoddess7 - we have exchanged a few messages but she's slow to reply.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7c69a010-2195-4b90-b289-f754ae9d98fe

Magiere_ - I love her look, good communication but has been stalling on a meet and greet.

https://www.seeking.com/member/194d6d0d-b2b1-443d-8154-ed7b861a8218

Spratty.

[Decadentme]

https://www.seeking.com/member/1735bc2b-7667-4c4b-9440-f4616fa174d2

Uh. OK.

[BobDingle10]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f8d9e2e0-f3fc-4651-8127-f9e0ec3e2764[\URL]

Great body but gps.

Asked for 2000/ month for allowance. I countered with 400 ppm. She said that was cool. I asked what her do's and don'ts were and she said for 400 all I get is kissing and touching.

GTEFOH! Nice enough body I'm sure high rollers may take the plunge. I'm bowing out.

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/9b76471d-0604-4643-b882-fea17354914e

Great body but gps.

Asked for 2000/ month for allowance. I countered with 400 ppm. She said that was cool. I asked what her do's and don'ts were and she said for 400 all I get is kissing and touching.

GTEFOH! Nice enough body I'm sure high rollers may take the plunge. I'm bowing out.I think you messaged to you inbox / message. Who TF is paying these girls $400 for kissing and touching?

[Dimples572]

Great body but gps.

Asked for 2000/ month for allowance. I countered with 400 ppm. She said that was cool. I asked what her do's and don'ts were and she said for 400 all I get is kissing and touching.

GTEFOH! Nice enough body I'm sure high rollers may take the plunge. I'm bowing out.LOL. I chatted her up today as well. Her prices and svc are all over the place. I offered $300 and that got me everything covered other than anal, and she would only meet in a hotel room. She refused to come to my place even if we built up some trust / rapport. She said condoms were a must because she's got some medical condition if she catches any diseases it could be detrimental. I passed and wished her good luck.

[Silk3434]

Every link I click on from this forum takes me to profile not available. I signed up a few days ago so I can't be blocked.

[Lobsid]

Found her only fans.

onlyfans.com/ trixiethetemptress? Rec=16642929.


https://www.seeking.com/member/f8d9e2e0-f3fc-4651-8127-f9e0ec3e2764

Great body but gps.

Asked for 2000/ month for allowance. I countered with 400 ppm. She said that was cool. I asked what her do's and don'ts were and she said for 400 all I get is kissing and touching.

GTEFOH! Nice enough body I'm sure high rollers may take the plunge. I'm bowing out.

[Jim Rob]

After a long break from seeking, I recently return due to the promotion. Websites has more fakes then ever, more platonic only the ever. I will never understand these women expecting to be paid for nothing. I already have that with my wife. Why the hell would I pay someone's else that allowance for nothing. The gp is very high. I got these girls telling me they get 700 to a 1000 a meet. Mongers we are bidding against each other and have driven up the cost of Pussy like it's Bitcoin.

I got a few potential to meet this week and it seems like 500 is the minimum now for a decent hot girl. I will report back. Watch out for the scammers.

[Silk3434]

Every link I click on from this forum takes me to profile not available. I signed up a few days ago so I can't be blocked.Somehow I must have clicked the wrong button and signed up as a SB vs a SD. Go figure.

[Lobsid]

I just jump into the pool again after a short break, if you count taking a month off just to slow down. Yes, 500 seems to be the new avg, but I been able to find girls willing to go 300-400 still. Mostly girls that sugar before but lost their SD, or took a break for whatever reason. All the newbies are asking for 700-1000 at times. Been able to get the 18-20 year old at a reasonable rate, but they are a flakey group. They are late or miss dates a lot, and want to meetup last min like we don't have responsibilities or work. Keep hunting, now that coronavirus has slow down in our area hopefully we see more new blood during the spring.


After a long break from seeking, I recently return due to the promotion. Websites has more fakes then ever, more platonic only the ever. I will never understand these women expecting to be paid for nothing. I already have that with my wife. Why the hell would I pay someone's else that allowance for nothing. The gp is very high. I got these girls telling me they get 700 to a 1000 a meet. Mongers we are bidding against each other and have driven up the cost of Pussy like it's Bitcoin.

I got a few potential to meet this week and it seems like 500 is the minimum now for a decent hot girl. I will report back. Watch out for the scammers.

[BobLobLa]

I'd missed the part that says Platonic so I just replied with nevermind.When someone lists Platonic, I always start with "you do realize Plato buggered his students".

[Dimples572]

This one want's $30.00 upfront just for giving you her ph# lmaooo.

https://www.seeking.com/member/4372ef51-8df0-4426-8ee1-6116dea13e5d

[Spratty711]

Somehow I must have clicked the wrong button and signed up as a SB vs a SD. Go figure.Hahahaha, you're the best.

[Jim Rob]

LOL. I chatted her up today as well. Her prices and svc are all over the place. I offered $300 and that got me everything covered other than anal, and she would only meet in a hotel room. She refused to come to my place even if we built up some trust / rapport. She said condoms were a must because she's got some medical condition if she catches any diseases it could be detrimental. I passed and wished her good luck.I got the exact same with her. Seriously red flags. I will pass on that ass.

[Mike77]

LOL. I chatted her up today as well. Her prices and svc are all over the place. I offered $300 and that got me everything covered other than anal, and she would only meet in a hotel room. She refused to come to my place even if we built up some trust / rapport. She said condoms were a must because she's got some medical condition if she catches any diseases it could be detrimental. I passed and wished her good luck.Why would she mention a medical condition? That's just weird. I wonder if she has some STD that she's scared to transmit and that's her way of not spreading it? Definitely red flags.

I was going to see if I can TOFT, but I think I'll pass.

[Jim Rob]

Why would she mention a medical condition? That's just weird. I wonder if she has some STD that she's scared to transmit and that's her way of not spreading it? Definitely red flags.

I was going to see if I can TOFT, but I think I'll pass.Avoid guys.

[BookerTNelson]

Wow, it doesn't seem like I'm missing much on SA.

[Jim Rob]

Talked with her on seeking read the reviews and I'm still Not sure. Any updates.

[Mike77]

Talked with her on seeking read the reviews and I'm still Not sure. Any updates.I talked to her last month. Was very easy to get from "Hi" to discussing PPM. Her ask was about, or slightly above average. I don't think she ever even checked out my profile or asked for photos. Usually, after exchanging pics, I can negotiate a vary favorable PPM but that wasn't happening here since she doesn't seem to care at all about what the guy looks. Also, the pics she sent me weren't very flattering. She has a boyish figure and closeup revealed a lot of acne. I passed.

[Mike77]

Wow, it doesn't seem like I'm missing much on SA.Probably not. It's a lot of work to get a few decent ones. Not like in the past where a month membership would leave you with a ton of potentials that you could call on.

[Jim Rob]

I talked to her last month. Was very easy to get from "Hi" to discussing PPM. Her ask was about, or slightly above average. I don't think she ever even checked out my profile or asked for photos. Usually, after exchanging pics, I can negotiate a vary favorable PPM but that wasn't happening here since she doesn't seem to care at all about what the guy looks. Also, the pics she sent me weren't very flattering. She has a boyish figure and closeup revealed a lot of acne. I passed.It's a suspicious when they don't ask for a single picture I'm worried it's a robbery set up. She wants to meet at gas station and drive over to her place.

From the one poster that was new that sang her praises. He's suspicious too.

[Mike77]

It's a suspicious when they don't ask for a single picture I'm worried it's a robbery set up. She wants to meet at gas station and drive over to her place.

From the one poster that was new that sang her praises. He's suspicious too.I don't think she's a robber. I do think she's basically a high mileage UTR pro. I'm always a bit leary of girls that reach out to me out of the blue as they are likely spamming every other dude.

Did she sent you a message asking if she can be your SB?

[Jim Rob]

I don't think she's a robber. I do think she's basically a high mileage UTR pro. I'm always a bit leary of girls that reach out to me out of the blue as they are likely spamming every other dude.

Did she sent you a message asking if she can be your SB?She was right to the point. Didn't even ask me my name or tell me hers. Very just straight to the point. If you go back to September and read the post about her from that one guy. I think it's a scam.

[BookerTNelson]

Probably not. It's a lot of work to get a few decent ones. Not like in the past where a month membership would leave you with a ton of potentials that you could call on.It looks like it. I looked on the site and here but didn't renew and it looks like I'll hold off a bit longer.

BTW, waitresses and other service job girls have been very receptive to offers lately.

[RegularJoe1985]

Talked with her on seeking read the reviews and I'm still Not sure. Any updates.That is a red flag for me. I normally avoid going to someone's place the first time.

[OldTimeAmpLvr]

You ever notice that really good pussy never stays around. But that crazy pussy you can't get rid of. That crazy Pussy will harass you stalk you and threaten to black mail you.

I have had times prayed to god to have these women leave me alone. I have prayed for the good pussy to come back. Never ever use your real phone. Never let them keep the room. Never let them know your real name.Been lucky to have avoided the crazy pussy. I also don't use SA which seems to be riddled with them.

Got two current both of over a year. One is PhD at Gtown and other is finishing up undergrad at UMd and will start medical school in fall. The PhD is a unicorn of SB it would seem to me. Incredibly smart, student leader on campus, easy to talk with and just loves to fuck all night. Need to find another PhD student.

[Mike77]

I apologize in advance to those that click on this profile. LOL.

https://www.seeking.com/member/51ac6f29-76e3-4c97-aae2-6843cb48c7ff

[Mike77]

It looks like it. I looked on the site and here but didn't renew and it looks like I'll hold off a bit longer.

BTW, waitresses and other service job girls have been very receptive to offers lately.I have two solid ones in my rotation currently and possibly adding one more to the mix but may try freestyling if one of them drops off.

[Grafenberg]

I apologize in advance to those that click on this profile. LOL.

https://www.seeking.com/member/51ac6f29-76e3-4c97-aae2-6843cb48c7ffYou best believe in whaling stories!

[FogHorn1]

I apologize in advance to those that click on this profile. LOL.

https://www.seeking.com/member/51ac6f29-76e3-4c97-aae2-6843cb48c7ffOh god damn. Seriously bro?.

[FlakBait]

That is a red flag for me. I normally avoid going to someone's place the first time.I actually took her to a hotel my first time with her.

I see her occasionally, just for a BBBJ. Sometimes see cheaper girls instead.

Best of luck though. Trust your gut even if there are reviews.

[Lobsid]

Quit scaring the kids. I'm a big guy and she still twice my size if not triple.


I apologize in advance to those that click on this profile. LOL.

https://www.seeking.com/member/51ac6f29-76e3-4c97-aae2-6843cb48c7ff

[Mike77]

Oh god damn. Seriously bro?.I warned you! LOL.

[DCKing]

Anybody talk to or meet this girl? Met in person and she was cute and nice body but deep manly voice and an Adams apple. Also was insistent on getting paid at restaurant, I told her I would pay her at the hotel. Ended up just going home after the restaurant, something didn't feel right.

[Rudy Wellz]

I warned you! LOL.OMG! If the picture doesn't scare you away, the seeking online only and transfriendly will! Going to wash my eyeballs out with soap and water!

[Silk3434]

Dadbabies.

https://www.seeking.com/member/c01bcab0-41a3-4552-be5b-7bf43cafb87b

Wants $3200 a month + gifts for 6 x visits a month.

Willing to do $1200 PPM + hotel + dinner.

[Barkeater]

If not SA, then where do you find these unicorns? Are you freestyling, using Tinder, or something else? Feel free to PM me.


Been lucky to have avoided the crazy pussy. I also don't use SA which seems to be riddled with them.

Got two current both of over a year. One is PhD at Gtown and other is finishing up undergrad at UMd and will start medical school in fall. The PhD is a unicorn of SB it would seem to me. Incredibly smart, student leader on campus, easy to talk with and just loves to fuck all night. Need to find another PhD student.

[Mike77]

Dadbabies.

https://www.seeking.com/member/c01bcab0-41a3-4552-be5b-7bf43cafb87b

Wants $3200 a month + gifts for 6 x visits a month.

Willing to do $1200 PPM + hotel + dinner.There's a few guys on SA that have more money than they know what to do with and have no problems giving SBs $50 k or more in allowance per year. This one is hoping that you'd be one of those "whales" and is swinging for the fences. I'm guessing that if she hasn't had much luck, she can be negotiated down, but still way overpriced. You can find much hotter for 1/4th that.

[DickLongwood]

Anybody talk to or meet this girl? Met in person and she was cute and nice body but deep manly voice and an Adams apple. Also was insistent on getting paid at restaurant, I told her I would pay her at the hotel. Ended up just going home after the restaurant, something didn't feel right.Several reviews say she asks for money at the restaurant and then ghosts. You saved money.

[RappaHannock]

Several reviews say she asks for money at the restaurant and then ghosts. You saved money.Really? What a shocker.

[DCKing]

Anybody met her? Planning to meet next week. She seems pretty normal so far.

https://www.seeking.com/member/2dbc04c5-a996-4724-a0b3-5433004ed7bd

[Jost815]

She mentioned to me that she was a diabetic. I'm assuming that's the medical condition she would be talking about with you all. I never discussed services or ended up meeting her though.

https://www.seeking.com/member/2dbc04c5-a996-4724-a0b3-5433004ed7bd

[OldTimeAmpLvr]

If not SA, then where do you find these unicorns? Are you freestyling, using Tinder, or something else? Feel free to PM me.No special magic. One on Tinder. One on Bumble. But I am selective and willing to be patient. The PhD we talked on line for probably a month before meeting and first meeting was just a casual. And I don't negotiate. I just move on if they prove not to be worth what they are asking.

[Grasshopping]

Several reviews say she asks for money at the restaurant and then ghosts. You saved money.I guess I lucked out by not meeting her. We set a date up but I was having 2nd thought about it so I never reached out to her on the day of our date. I texted her couple weeks later and she never replied. I moved on already. She quoted 300, BBBJ but CFS. I wanted to test her out purely because of the size of those jugs.

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/member/e9cb76c8-f5b1-42c3-b1a2-cc4488655de1

Has anyone met this lady? We've been chatting for awhile and I'm thinking of taking the plunge. Getting a possible traveling pro vibe but I'm not sure.Anyone actually meet up with her? She's a little bigger than what I usually like but sounds like she might be fun from our conversation and the crazy eyes are drawing me in. She's from out of town but comes here for work fairly regularly.

[Dimples572]

Look closer at her 2nd to last pic she's got posted. In the reflection is that a buttplug with a rainbow colored tail attached to it she's sporting?? LMAO!

https://www.seeking.com/member/8b965d19-b73f-4c4b-b94c-3d15d515f060

[Silk3434]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.

[TheEagle20]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.Never heard of this but if anyone puts one together sign me up!

Seriously though is this a thing? I'm intrigued.

[Futuopedico]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.Your emailing with someone? So whole process where you agree to some rules? For me it was $70 to register and that's it!!

I found that to be a scam. Called them out on it and they flipped on me. But I remember some red flags that made me twitch. Wish I still had that email, but its gone. Stick to the rule, don't send money to someone you haven't met.

[Grafenberg]

Anybody talk to or meet this girl? Met in person and she was cute and nice body but deep manly voice and an Adams apple. Also was insistent on getting paid at restaurant, I told her I would pay her at the hotel. Ended up just going home after the restaurant, something didn't feel right.What part did you feel was wrong, the obvious tranny or obvious money scam?

[DWinthrop]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.Sounds like a great way to end up in a very vulnerable and compromised position.

[Mm2219]

These two want 100 each for platonic and don't want to see married men. https://www.seeking.com/member/e03a4c22-1e8e-47c1-93f9-5614c7f7f932.

Quoted 250. Got weird and cagey as it got closer to meet. Anyone met her? https://www.seeking.com/member/14349371-4c60-40db-ba2b-dcea21a1e5c5.

Have been chatting a bunch and we are supposed to meet next week. Seems very open. Has anyone met her? https://www.seeking.com/member/a10a8270-f69c-4c9a-a00a-16daa1e30def.

[DCKing]

Both! Very uncomfortable situation.


What part did you feel was wrong, the obvious tranny or obvious money scam?

[Mike77]

These two want 100 each for platonic and don't want to see married men. https://www.seeking.com/member/e03a4c22-1e8e-47c1-93f9-5614c7f7f932.

Quoted 250. Got weird and cagey as it got closer to meet. Anyone met her? https://www.seeking.com/member/14349371-4c60-40db-ba2b-dcea21a1e5c5.

Have been chatting a bunch and we are supposed to meet next week. Seems very open. Has anyone met her? https://www.seeking.com/member/a10a8270-f69c-4c9a-a00a-16daa1e30def.I talked to the last one a bit and her profile got banned. I'm guessing for soliciting. I chatted up her new one a bit and her ask seemed reasonable. Her face is pretty but her body type is not quite what I'm looking for, so I passed.

[Ernest Ll]

Clearly a glamour shot, but private pics are sweet and found her SM IRL.

https://www.seeking.com/member/b469e452-8aa7-65ac-23c9-52354a329c69

Can't seem to get beyond chit chat with her.

[NovaDaddy69]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.Can't speak for SA-specific orgies, but there are several legitimate swingers parties hosted regularly at private houses in the DMV / Baltimore that are open to solo men, none of which charge anything close to that. Usually somewhere between 60-100 bucks for entry. It's usually mostly couples with some singles sprinkled in, and since they're real swingers events you have to be on your game and be respectful, but if you do that there are tons of hot women showing up looking play either in three / foursomes or in larger scenes. Not uncommon to have a wife who loves being tended to by multiple men at once while the husband runs interference to make sure nobody gets disrespectful.

Knowing that exists, I'd be extremely wary of any supposed party charging upwards of $500. Sounds like it would just be working girls in attendance at something like that, or possibly something more sinister going on. That said if someone tries it and finds otherwise would love to know. .

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/member/2f8db0d7-15a0-4451-b319-ff958a3836d4

I've never seen anyone flat out say:

"I will not be able to give sugari just need help with school and paying rent".

[JonFisher]

https://www.seeking.com/member/8c96b340-1c34-4d43-8a27-3ea10239d577

Used to see her few times. Once you hook her. Its good fun, not top notch, but good. Allows BBFS but if you CIP then you have to get plan B for her. Not seen her for a while. 300 including plan B.

[Mike77]

https://www.seeking.com/member/229c538f-b4aa-024b-6392-39e65fc77065

WTF is up with this? Is this for real? She's been around for a LOoong time, so I'm guessing she's gotten se interest? I've seen it before and always thought it was a joke.

[Max #01]

Has anyone have an experience with this? Does something like this really happen? Men pay $500 each for entrance and basically just a free for all in a private residence.


Can't speak for SA-specific orgies, but there are several legitimate swingers parties hosted regularly at private houses in the DMV / Baltimore that are open to solo men, none of which charge anything close to that. Usually somewhere between 60-100 bucks for entry. It's usually mostly couples with some singles sprinkled in, and since they're real swingers events you have to be on your game and be respectful, but if you do that there are tons of hot women showing up looking play either in three / foursomes or in larger scenes. Not uncommon to have a wife who loves being tended to by multiple men at once while the husband runs interference to make sure nobody gets disrespectful.

Knowing that exists, I'd be extremely wary of any supposed party charging upwards of $500. Sounds like it would just be working girls in attendance at something like that, or possibly something more sinister going on. That said if someone tries it and finds otherwise would love to know. .I remember 10 years ago or so that a well-known & respected provider up in the Howard County region held sex parties every couple of months. As I recall, it was a 3-4 hour party with her and 3-4 of her escort friends. They were all reasonably-priced and well-reviewed in their own right. The price was up in this range. It was not a swinger's party with couples & single guys. It was an all-you-can-eat sex party with food & drink in the main family room so you could socialize between sessions. The sessions were private, although some were group sex events if the girls were up for it. Individually, I would have spent $250-$300 each if I saw them individually. The organizer did a great job, but, what eventually liked these parties were guys who reserved a slot and then flaked. Great times in my younger days!

[TheEagle20]

Can't speak for SA-specific orgies, but there are several legitimate swingers parties hosted regularly at private houses in the DMV / Baltimore that are open to solo men, none of which charge anything close to that. Usually somewhere between 60-100 bucks for entry. It's usually mostly couples with some singles sprinkled in, and since they're real swingers events you have to be on your game and be respectful, but if you do that there are tons of hot women showing up looking play either in three / foursomes or in larger scenes. Not uncommon to have a wife who loves being tended to by multiple men at once while the husband runs interference to make sure nobody gets disrespectful.

Knowing that exists, I'd be extremely wary of any supposed party charging upwards of $500. Sounds like it would just be working girls in attendance at something like that, or possibly something more sinister going on. That said if someone tries it and finds otherwise would love to know. .How does one find these events? A while back I was talking to a cougar from SA who mentioned being involved in this scene and going to parties but she eventually ghosted and we never made a connection.

[Member #6203]

I did a meet and greet with her a few years ago. She's bright and thin as in her pics but the arrangement she wanted was if someone would pay her rent she would consider intimacy since she wanted to build up to it. Yea that was the first and last time we got together but experiences could vary.


https://www.seeking.com/member/229c538f-b4aa-024b-6392-39e65fc77065

WTF is up with this? Is this for real? She's been around for a LOoong time, so I'm guessing she's gotten se interest? I've seen it before and always thought it was a joke.

[Silk3434]

https://www.seeking.com/member/947f8b53-4358-4775-9bf1-c64dbf097bcb

[Dimples572]

Both play the game up until the minute you're supposed to meet and then pull the need money upfront card. Don't waste your time.

KimmieBaby96.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8a6681ff-1f1a-4ea7-b773-68691dcc15b5

Italianbabexxox.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7a6fab5c-f5dd-4679-b9ac-88280d9da562

[Silk3434]

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

$1500 for first meeting.

[Geeker]

Anyone seen this lady? Couldn't find any reviews.

[SamTam]

Can't speak for SA-specific orgies, but there are several legitimate swingers parties hosted regularly at private houses in the DMV / Baltimore that are open to solo men, none of which charge anything close to that. Usually somewhere between 60-100 bucks for entry. It's usually mostly couples with some singles sprinkled in, and since they're real swingers events you have to be on your game and be respectful, but if you do that there are tons of hot women showing up looking play either in three / foursomes or in larger scenes. Not uncommon to have a wife who loves being tended to by multiple men at once while the husband runs interference to make sure nobody gets disrespectful.

Knowing that exists, I'd be extremely wary of any supposed party charging upwards of $500. Sounds like it would just be working girls in attendance at something like that, or possibly something more sinister going on. That said if someone tries it and finds otherwise would love to know. .I was involved in the scene back in the Doggie days at a couple of locations. Some were clubs with regular weekend hours at a specific location, others were organized meet ups at different houses / apartments. The Farm up in PA was legendary, and had a number of great nights there.

And you are correct in your assessments.

If there's a similar scene, closer to home, with folks that would to add an older guy, would love to hear.

[CireSire]

This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?

[InSearch69]

1 k is crazy! Nothing wrong with her looks, but nowhere near 1 k. If you are really interested, do half that and if she doesn't agree, move on. 500 will get you a hot SB.


This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?

[Lobsid]

Wow, just move on. $1000 the girl better be a model. I have a ex pro cheerleader current model for $650. I think that's a little high.


This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?

[Mike77]

This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?Her face and body both looks like a little boy. Not my type at all so I wouldn't see her if she paid me.

[Mike77]

I did a meet and greet with her a few years ago. She's bright and thin as in her pics but the arrangement she wanted was if someone would pay her rent she would consider intimacy since she wanted to build up to it. Yea that was the first and last time we got together but experiences could vary.Why? What about her attracted you to reach out to her? 🤔129488;.

[Silk3434]

And payment was required with a dinner date. Aka wasn't a free dinner date.


This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?

[Shinshi]

She told me $1500! And payment was required with a dinner date. Aka wasn't a free dinner date.You think all SBs have one set asking price? They'll ask whatever they think they'll get from their prospective johns. If they think they'll get 300 from one dude and 1 K from another, they'll do it in a heartbeat! The majority of SBs don't do this for a living, nor work for an agency, nor think of themselves as hookers (even though they technically are the latter).

As such, you can't really hold it against them. You yourself must determine if the "juice is worth the squeeze. " Make your own personal determination of whether or not a woman's asking price is worth it. If you have doubts about whether you can afford it, or doubt that the woman will deliver as advertised, then you ought to stand your ground. Don't pony up a single cent over what you originally intended to spend. Remember, they're the ones selling a product. So don't give them any more power than they've already got (which in this region is substantial enough, unfortunately).

[CireSire]

1 k is crazy! Nothing wrong with her looks, but nowhere near 1 k. If you are really interested, do half that and if she doesn't agree, move on. 500 will get you a hot SB.I was fishing to see who actually paid for this. She no where close to being worth that price. 1 K = 5 decent Sbs for me LOL.

[Max #01]

This one wants 1 K to meet up. She tells me she is seasoned. Wants to do dinner to see if we have a vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bf3adf58-1e9e-4762-9a5b-63eee68a673c

Has anyone ever met this one?"Seasoned" at 23?

[MilkyWy]

"Seasoned" at 23?Hahahaha seasoned and tender. Man, you just need to put furnace on. Dinner at why? LOL.

[Dimples572]

This one's a pro from out of town, Vegas I believe. Wants $400 for the hr.

https://www.seeking.com/member/9c16fc86-beac-49f1-81e1-055ba88f3fb1

[JimVa79]

Anyone see the "let me blo you" chick? Just curious what she looks like and what the damage is.

https://www.seeking.com/member/db07bb69-f125-458b-9a87-db4c83ddca51

Also, our favorite thief / mugger in Reston is back as AndreaW21.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0c3f699f-001c-471c-8feb-211c72f226c4

[Silk3434]

I was just chatting with AndreaW. She was asking a lot of personal questions so I started to not answer.


Anyone see the "let me blo you" chick? Just curious what she looks like and what the damage is.

https://www.seeking.com/member/db07bb69-f125-458b-9a87-db4c83ddca51

Also, our favorite thief / mugger in Reston is back as AndreaW21.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0c3f699f-001c-471c-8feb-211c72f226c4

[JimVa79]

I was just chatting with AndreaW. She was asking a lot of personal questions so I started to not answer.Yup, that's what this forum is for! She uses a lot of names, but her face is pretty memorable, so it's easy to figure out it's her. Attached are a few. She operates out of the TGIF or shopping area near Worldgate.

[Old Chinese Guy]

Also, our favorite thief / mugger in Reston is back as AndreaW21.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0c3f699f-001c-471c-8feb-211c72f226c4I should have read the NOVA boards, did check the Baltimore boards but missed reports on here. She took me for $100 last night. Hope she continues this stealing and runs into someone who lays a good beat down on her.

[RegularJoe1985]

I should have read the NOVA boards, did check the Baltimore boards but missed reports on here. She took me for $100 last night. Hope she continues this stealing and runs into someone who lays a good beat down on her.How did that play out? Would help others also.

As long as people check this forum, see her pics posted here and match with her pics on SA (she does put up her own pics still), I think we can avoid her.

I wasted a lot of her time, texted endlessly. Till she finally gave up on me.

[JonFisher]

https://www.seeking.com/member/140440b0-4c26-4004-bfb4-205ae319b657

Anyone seen this girl. She is DTF BB for 300, in DC. She sent me pics. Seems good looking 18 yr old. But not getting a good feeling and also she is in DC, so passing. In case someone is interested.

[Mike77]

How did that play out? Would help others also.

As long as people check this forum, see her pics posted here and match with her pics on SA (she does put up her own pics still), I think we can avoid her.

I wasted a lot of her time, texted endlessly. Till she finally gave up on me.I think we should all reach out to her and schedule a meet and not show up as many times as we can. Make up excuses to keep her waiting there or even tell her that she's at the wrong place and to go somewhere else, etc.

[Pathfinder04]

Yup, that's what this forum is for! She uses a lot of names, but her face is pretty memorable, so it's easy to figure out it's her. Attached are a few. She operates out of the TGIF or shopping area near Worldgate.As mentioned before, I have this *****'s personal information. I don't have the time or energy to do anything with it, but if you want it send me a PM.

[Old Chinese Guy]

How did that play out? Would help others also.

As long as people check this forum, see her pics posted here and match with her pics on SA (she does put up her own pics still), I think we can avoid her.

I wasted a lot of her time, texted endlessly. Till she finally gave up on me.So she tells you to meet her at a nice condo unit in Herndon and text when you arrive and she'll come out and let you in a visitor's spot. She gets in the car (keeps her mask on), directs you to a spot which is near her get away car. Asks for money upfront (of course I made the stupid rookie mistake but at least I didn't give her all she asked for). Walks with you towards her "condo unit", asks you to wait for her to go to her friend's car to get a parking pass and then bolts for the get away car.

[Onexxxva]

This one has a San Diego Phone number and none of the pics she sends matches her profile. Requests a deposit upfront because she's been "scammed before". These women tell the same story and all have a previous SD that was great, BUT he moved away.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8c628e95-d258-42d8-953d-7a7c5e4a9c0e

[Lobsid]

Talk to her yesterday. Wanted 100 deposit and 200 when we meetup. Said she was in Delaware. Had to tell her a number of times that I don't sent money to people I haven't met yet, before she got the picture and moved on.


This one has a San Diego Phone number and none of the pics she sends matches her profile. Requests a deposit upfront because she's been "scammed before". These women tell the same story and all have a previous SD that was great, BUT he moved away.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8c628e95-d258-42d8-953d-7a7c5e4a9c0e

[Futuopedico]

https://www.seeking.com/member/140440b0-4c26-4004-bfb4-205ae319b657

Anyone seen this girl. She is DTF BB for 300, in DC. She sent me pics. Seems good looking 18 yr old. But not getting a good feeling and also she is in DC, so passing. In case someone is interested.Got the same info and then she dropped off when I tried to set a time. She seems to good to be true. "Anything you want daddy".

[Grasshopping]

Got the same info and then she dropped off when I tried to set a time. She seems to good to be true. "Anything you want daddy".She favorited me but my subscription expired so didn't get a chance to contact her. I agree that she seems TGTBT. What's on her profile seems to be something that a SD wants to hear. I wouldn't have my hopes up.

[Mike77]

She favorited me but my subscription expired so didn't get a chance to contact her. I agree that she seems TGTBT. What's on her profile seems to be something that a SD wants to hear. I wouldn't have my hopes up.Everyone needs to start thinking with their bigger heads. She reached out to me too and sent me cute pics. I asked her to send me a selfie of herself holding up 3 fingers and she said "yes daddy" as I'm sure she went to go giggle up more pics of whoever that girl is she is pretending to be. Crickets though. If it's too good to be true, it always is.

[Grasshopping]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

Any Intel on this one? Got her digits more than a month ago and we were chatting sporadically. She wants to meet me so just want to see if she's worth it. She hasn't given me the good vibe so I'm hesitant. PM if you want to share info. Thank you.

[Max #01]

If it's too good to be true, it always is.Yep. Sound advice for any aspect of the hobby.

[Tyrex2]

https://www.seeking.com/member/8c628e95-d258-42d8-953d-7a7c5e4a9c0e

Stated she\d do ppm - 200,100 up front. Stated that she isn't financially stable and has been burned too many times before. Same old story / excuse as to why "she" needs to be paid before playing. For newer folks. Don't, just don't fall for this. Good luck all and be safe out there.

P.S. If they offer below market rate and are reasonably good looking, its a huge red flag as well.

[RegularJoe1985]

I think we should all reach out to her and schedule a meet and not show up as many times as we can. Make up excuses to keep her waiting there or even tell her that she's at the wrong place and to go somewhere else, etc.That is exactly what I've been saying All Along and doing it as well.

Better to have her get disappointed with flakes (and perhaps quit) rather than confront her and have her change her M. O. In which case a few members might become victims before her new M. O. Becomes known.

[RegularJoe1985]

I actually took her to a hotel my first time with her.

I see her occasionally, just for a BBBJ. Sometimes see cheaper girls instead.

Best of luck though. Trust your gut even if there are reviews.Not sure I understand. Do you get a room for BBBJ or go to her place for that?

[Jim Rob]

Like 75% of the girls now on seeking are fake. What I do now from the beginning, I request a selfie holding up today's date. I explain how I'm tired of fakes and if they want $500 from me they got to verify first or I'm not wasting time.

It's been working well for me and I found. A really good one now.


https://www.seeking.com/member/140440b0-4c26-4004-bfb4-205ae319b657

Anyone seen this girl. She is DTF BB for 300, in DC. She sent me pics. Seems good looking 18 yr old. But not getting a good feeling and also she is in DC, so passing. In case someone is interested.

[FunDreams]

Lilredridincouple47.

Scammer, has a sob story about a baby and not having money. Asks for gift cards or money via PayPal. Someone reported having a good interaction with this girl / couple, I would say stay away. Luckily I was wise enough not to fall for this scam. She went radio silent since then.

[Grasshopping]

Lilredridincouple47.

Scammer, has a sob story about a baby and not having money. Asks for gift cards or money via PayPal. Someone reported having a good interaction with this girl / couple, I would say stay away. Luckily I was wise enough not to fall for this scam. She went radio silent since then.It is true that there was a good report posted on her and her husband.

I exchanged messages with her on SA a little before the report was posted here. Our schedule didn't line up. She'd message me one afternoon asking if I want to meet that evening. I tried to schedule something with her again but schedule didn't work out and she became bitchy about it like a little teenager. So I stopped trying to schedule anything with her. Don't need that attitude. Maybe someone else will have luck than we do.

[Dimples572]

Chatted with this one for a few days, originally was asking for $800 ppm, I countered back with half that. She said she'd think about it. A day or two later I followed up and asked if she was interested, she said if I'd bump it up to $600 she'd be down. I said nope, 4 is the most I'm willing to offer. I guess she realized I wasn't budging so she said fine, the next night she came over she came over. Hung out for bit chatted over a few beers and then got to the main event. She's a cute, cool chick to hang with, very good head game. Banged for a few hrs bbfscip for $400. But the lesson is don't pay these fucking absurd prices. Stick to your guns and they'll come back down to reality.

https://www.seeking.com/member/15efd4b1-5d03-424c-8e21-fa07622c5224

[Mike77]

Chatted with this one for a few days, originally was asking for $800 ppm, I countered back with half that. She said she'd think about it. A day or two later I followed up and asked if she was interested, she said if I'd bump it up to $600 she'd be down. I said nope, 4 is the most I'm willing to offer. I guess she realized I wasn't budging so she said fine, the next night she came over she came over. Hung out for bit chatted over a few beers and then got to the main event. She's a cute, cool chick to hang with, very good head game. Banged for a few hrs bbfscip for $400. But the lesson is don't pay these fucking absurd prices. Stick to your guns and they'll come back down to reality.

https://www.seeking.com/member/15efd4b1-5d03-424c-8e21-fa07622c5224LOL. I was just about to post about her as I had the exact same discussion, but I didn't pull the trigger as she seemed too high mileage. I'm not a fan of the ones that throw hail mary's to see if they can "sucker" you only to come down to half (sometimes less) than what their initial ask is.

[InSearch69]

I've been on SA for at least 3 years and just got my first suspension of my account. Can't remember her name but pretty sure it is from a blonde 22 year old in Leesburg looking for platonic. The said thing is I only asked if she changed her mind I would give her an allowance.

[CireSire]

It is true that there was a good report posted on her and her husband.

I exchanged messages with her on SA a little before the report was posted here. Our schedule didn't line up. She'd message me one afternoon asking if I want to meet that evening. I tried to schedule something with her again but schedule didn't work out and she became bitchy about it like a little teenager. So I stopped trying to schedule anything with her. Don't need that attitude. Maybe someone else will have luck than we do.I wrote the review and never had a problem with them the one time I met them. But YMMV.

[Grasshopping]

I wrote the review and never had a problem with them the one time I met them. But YMMV.Yup. YMMV. That sums it all up. Not doubting your report at all. Just posting my personal experience.

[CornWell2015]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

Any Intel on this one? Got her digits more than a month ago and we were chatting sporadically. She wants to meet me so just want to see if she's worth it. She hasn't given me the good vibe so I'm hesitant. PM if you want to share info. Thank you.Search the photo.

[Grasshopping]

Search the photo.I did and of course it turned out to be someone else's photo. That could mean she's a scam or she could also be someone protecting her identity. I have met many SBs who use photos of another person who is a close representation of themselves. So I don't want to rule her out just because her profile photo is not of herself. Same idea as someone put the word "platonic" in the profile doesn't mean she is strictly platonic.

[FlakBait]

Not sure I understand. Do you get a room for BBBJ or go to her place for that?First time I got a room. Just picked her up and took her to a hotel. Since then its just been her place.

I find its always safer to bring a sb to a hotel or your place first if you lack trust. But after the first time, I've never been crazy robbed on a second date. So you usually only need to worry about the place the first time from my experience.

Also I note that her place is located in a decent community and not somewhere where you feel extremely sketched out. It can happen anywhere but going to somewhere already sketchy makes it more difficult.

Best of luck!

[RegularJoe1985]

https://www.seeking.com/member/dea135c5-ea76-4866-adb8-bc56a155bb41

Any Intel on this one? Got her digits more than a month ago and we were chatting sporadically. She wants to meet me so just want to see if she's worth it. She hasn't given me the good vibe so I'm hesitant. PM if you want to share info. Thank you.Talked with her but all her pics that she sent seemed different from one another, not the same person.

Just left it at that, had no reason to pursue.

[RegularJoe1985]

I've been on SA for at least 3 years and just got my first suspension of my account. Can't remember her name but pretty sure it is from a blonde 22 year old in Leesburg looking for platonic. The said thing is I only asked if she changed her mind I would give her an allowance.I think most of us, who are really active on SA, have been suspended at one time or the other. Should we consider it as a Badge of honor.

Just create ticket, tell them you're suspended and don't know why.

They'll ask you to go through terms and acknowledge that you understand them. Click yes and be careful next time.

We are the ones paying on SA, so they have an incentive to keep us while still keeping themselves safe.

I think covid and loss of subscribers caused them to raise rates. And many are just paying intermittently.

[RegularJoe1985]

Has anyone seen her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/3fe68302-12d4-4e1b-b15a-8dea52e86ebb

Her texts seem weird. She does not want to M&G which is kind of strange.

[RegularJoe1985]

First time I got a room. Just picked her up and took her to a hotel. Since then its just been her place.

I find its always safer to bring a sb to a hotel or your place first if you lack trust. But after the first time, I've never been crazy robbed on a second date. So you usually only need to worry about the place the first time from my experience.

Also I note that her place is located in a decent community and not somewhere where you feel extremely sketched out. It can happen anywhere but going to somewhere already sketchy makes it more difficult.

Best of luck!She didn't want to go to the hotel the first time. She gave me the impression that she had a handler, she met at the nearby store and kept checking her phone and talking to someone.

Made me decide not to pursue further.

[Mike77]

Has anyone seen her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/3fe68302-12d4-4e1b-b15a-8dea52e86ebb

Her texts seem weird. She does not want to M&G which is kind of strange.Pretty sure she's basically UTR pro. There are tell take signs like "cannot host" and "just tell me what you're looking for". She's been on for a while, but never really caught my interest.

[Jost815]

I saw her a couple years ago and at the time she was able to host. We did meet directly at her place and had some wine before jumping into it. I don't remember the service too well but I do remember it was bbfscip. She was a bit bigger than I like without having big boobs so I didn't repeat. I think I paid around 300.

https://www.seeking.com/member/3fe68302-12d4-4e1b-b15a-8dea52e86ebb

[Bdoe4264]

Said she is up for meeting but wants $1 K per meet.

Told her that was an asinine ask on her part. She went on to say she wanted "sugar not Splenda" daddy and her last daddy "moved overseas" but paid her even more.

I also mentioned "prior daddy moving" is code for "way too many other reasonable girls out there" so he got smart and blocked you. Crickets after that comment!

https://www.seeking.com/member/c695d874-e28a-4e4a-8ce9-a1dce0616d45

[CireSire]

Just wanted to share some tips that usually work for me in vetting the real from the fake.

1. Get yourself a phone number besides your real one. Apps like Text free and Burner work well. I don't hand the number out so when I do get spam calls or links I know its because I gave that number out on SA.

2. If the potential SB is 30 yrs old and below its a guarantee they have social media I. E Instagram or Facebook. Usually, if they give some lame excuse such as " I don't do social media" or " I do have IG but don't like giving out my social media" This is a red flag to me. The reason being most young women do have IG or Facebook in some capacity. Next, if the concern is privacy then I'm sure their page would be private already and you can only see pics if they accept a request. Also, I doubt they would just grant anyone access to see their pics even if you were given their IG name and you wanted to use an alias since they don't like giving access to their social media. Just my way of vetting and not 100% sure way of ruling out scammers and fakes but it works more than it doesn't.

3. Ask them for their Cash app, Venmo, Zelle or other forms of electronic payment name. I usually ask if they have Zelle first. Zelle, depending on your bank doesn't charge the receiver for transactions and is pretty reputable. This is usually tied to their bank and will give you their real name since it's tied to bank account information and either email or phone number. Venmo is tied as well. Cash App doesn't provide intrusive information on the receiver and is the preferred form for most scammers and real people as well. But just be aware. Things to looks for " My account was locked and can you send the money to my friend" I had one woman provide me with a male's *guy's picture was on the profile* Venmo and that was a red flag. I'm sure he was a handler. Venmo is a social-based site so that means if you pay someone through it you should always select to make the payment private. If not it will show you gave your intended recipient money in cyberspace linked to you. It can show who gave them money as well if they don't receive private payments.

4. I shouldn't have to say this but CALL BEFORE MEETING! Talk rather than text. If you get excuses on why they can't before a meeting it's a red flag don't convince yourself otherwise. No one is too busy to call when time permits. Video chat when possible and DO NOT show private parts. Don't fall for scams of showing genitals where women know you are married and will try to blackmail you by threatening to show the pictures they snapped of you.

5. DON'T send money before a meet or before any position of the deed to go down. Stick to your guns. This with the big head and not the smaller of the two. Meet during the day if you can and at a private location. Our robber friend is making a decent living off of scamming and she wouldn't be still on SA if it weren't for people falling for her sorry game. I got her number and told her I was in law enforcement and that I don't need a parking pass since I have an unmarked police cruiser and can park anywhere without being towed. She quickly told me that she was afraid to meet me because her dad is on the police force LOL.

6. Read reviews and search all SB related forums here in different cities close to your own. See if you see UTR pros on other sites ie. STG, etc. Some pros go on SA and provide over inflated prices for services you can get for waaaaay lower.

I'm sure and know some of this has been covered but wanted to share some tips that could help anyone out. Sharing is caring.

[RegularJoe1985]

I saw her a couple years ago and at the time she was able to host. We did meet directly at her place and had some wine before jumping into it. I don't remember the service too well but I do remember it was bbfscip. She was a bit bigger than I like without having big boobs so I didn't repeat. I think I paid around 300.That is what I think, She must be bigger than her pics and does not want to walk away empty handed after M&G.

[ChrisHansen92]

This is good advice and I wanted to add my thoughts to #2/5.

Many of the younger girls (18-22 or so) no longer use FB. As one teen told me " that's for old people like my parent's". FB was a gold mine years back when you could search by the phone number. IG and FB have removed that feature due to privacy concerns. You may find a 19 yo FB but she has not posted or updated in many years because many don't use it anymore. IG will give you hints such as people you may know but you have to save the number in your contacts of the phone you run these apps on. IG and Snapchat are the 2 that work best for me. I save every girl's # in my contacts and search for them that way on these apps. With SC you can then search under find friends under your contacts that you saved.

Many of them use their real names on accounts and you can add them to watch their story line posts and see these attention ho's take pic's of themselves and post. It's a good peek into what they do and look like. I actually find they are more responsive to communicate with you rather than texting (referring to the younger ones). Another thought on recon is pay for a phone search service such as Whitepages or similar. They are really not that expensive if you do Seeking full time. That is changing as they read more blog's encouraging them to use texting app's regrettably. But I still get about a 50% hit of a real name (or daddy's name cause he is still paying her phone bill) when I run it.

Regarding #5 Man I wish every guy would do this. It just feeds the scammers and rinsers if you prepay. You can read the SB forums on here in every city daily and even the seasoned veteran's get taken by these prepay / cash advance. I am not trying to shame them cause they were honest to post (just think about how many never post about it). It usually has in the post. I know better, should have seen the red flags, was thinking with the little head, can't believe I fell for it, she seemed so real etc. Never, never prepay a penny. Never. You give them money in person face to face. Simple common sense but you read stories on here daily of it happening again and again daily. Never send money in advance.


Just wanted to share some tips that usually work for me in vetting the real from the fake.

1. Get yourself a phone number besides your real one. Apps like Text free and Burner work well. I don't hand the number out so when I do get spam calls or links I know its because I gave that number out on SA.

2. If the potential SB is 30 yrs old and below its a guarantee they have social media I. E Instagram or Facebook. Usually, if they give some lame excuse such as " I don't do social media" or " I do have IG but don't like giving out my social media" This is a red flag to me. The reason being most young women do have IG or Facebook in some capacity. Next, if the concern is privacy then I'm sure their page would be private already and you can only see pics if they accept a request. Also, I doubt they would just grant anyone access to see their pics even if you were given their IG name and you wanted to use an alias since they don't like giving access to their social media. Just my way of vetting and not 100% sure way of ruling out scammers and fakes but it works more than it doesn't.

3. Ask them for their Cash app, Venmo, Zelle or other forms of electronic payment name. I usually ask if they have Zelle first. Zelle, depending on your bank doesn't charge the receiver for transactions and is pretty reputable. This is usually tied to their bank and will give you their real name since it's tied to bank account information and either email or phone number. Venmo is tied as well. Cash App doesn't provide intrusive information on the receiver and is the preferred form for most scammers and real people as well. But just be aware. Things to looks for " My account was locked and can you send the money to my friend" I had one woman provide me with a male's *guy's picture was on the profile* Venmo and that was a red flag. I'm sure he was a handler. Venmo is a social-based site so that means if you pay someone through it you should always select to make the payment private. If not it will show you gave your intended recipient money in cyberspace linked to you. It can show who gave them money as well if they don't receive private payments.

4. I shouldn't have to say this but CALL BEFORE MEETING! Talk rather than text. If you get excuses on why they can't before a meeting it's a red flag don't convince yourself otherwise. No one is too busy to call when time permits. Video chat when possible and DO NOT show private parts. Don't fall for scams of showing genitals where women know you are married and will try to blackmail you by threatening to show the pictures they snapped of you.

5. DON'T send money before a meet or before any position of the deed to go down. Stick to your guns. This with the big head and not the smaller of the two. Meet during the day if you can and at a private location. Our robber friend is making a decent living off of scamming and she wouldn't be still on SA if it weren't for people falling for her sorry game. I got her number and told her I was in law enforcement and that I don't need a parking pass since I have an unmarked police cruiser and can park anywhere without being towed. She quickly told me that she was afraid to meet me because her dad is on the police force LOL.

6. Read reviews and search all SB related forums here in different cities close to your own. See if you see UTR pros on other sites ie. STG, etc. Some pros go on SA and provide over inflated prices for services you can get for waaaaay lower.

I'm sure and know some of this has been covered but wanted to share some tips that could help anyone out. Sharing is caring.

[AdcFellow]

I just spoke to tinygirlbigworld and she told me the exact same thing. $1 K per meet and her daddy just went overseas.

https://www.seeking.com/member/66827c1b-fd2a-431d-aac8-7ffbe366e094


Said she is up for meeting but wants $1 K per meet.

Told her that was an asinine ask on her part. She went on to say she wanted "sugar not Splenda" daddy and her last daddy "moved overseas" but paid her even more.

I also mentioned "prior daddy moving" is code for "way too many other reasonable girls out there" so he got smart and blocked you. Crickets after that comment!

https://www.seeking.com/member/c695d874-e28a-4e4a-8ce9-a1dce0616d45

[GioSanz]

I think most of us, who are really active on SA, have been suspended at one time or the other. Should we consider it as a Badge of honor.

Just create ticket, tell them you're suspended and don't know why.

They'll ask you to go through terms and acknowledge that you understand them. Click yes and be careful next time.

We are the ones paying on SA, so they have an incentive to keep us while still keeping themselves safe.

I think covid and loss of subscribers caused them to raise rates. And many are just paying intermittently.I tried doing this and they said I'm permanently banned. Looking for ways to make an account again without getting suspended. Pretty trusting process.

[Old Chinese Guy]

I just spoke to tinygirlbigworld and she told me the exact same thing. $1 K per meet and her daddy just went overseas.

https://www.seeking.com/member/66827c1b-fd2a-431d-aac8-7ffbe366e094She should move overseas with her SD if she wants $1 K / meet. Sorry, no tail is worth that much no matter how hot.

[Jost815]

Yes she was definitely bigger than what I was expecting from her pictures. She's a nice girl but just not my type.


That is what I think, She must be bigger than her pics and does not want to walk away empty handed after M&G.

[FogHorn1]

Yes she was definitely bigger than what I was expecting from her pictures. She's a nice girl but just not my type.I was close to pulling the trigger. She does drunk text well and she seems horny AF. That said, we exchanged a few selfies and I could tell she was MUCH larger than her SA photo's show. I passed.

[Silk3434]

I wasn't getting the best vibes but JR was looking for some action. Anyway make a long story short google reverse image search is your best friend. Can't say this enough. Who knows what would have happened (maybe just a wasted hotel room).

I think I need to start making girls jump through hoops like others (send me a photo with right hand hold up 4 fingers LOL).