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Pretty much the similar experience I had, plus too many pros. Thats why I retired from the bowl now. Just dealing with AMP and escorts. Mainly AMP since it is much more convenience. Too much time and hazard dealing with SB unfortunately.
Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.
I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.
City Slicker
02-28-19, 13:31
Thanks for the advice. I'm totally willing to spend 3-4 for a cute lady if she's really in her early 20's. At max, I might go 5, but no higher. Two more questions, if you don't mind:
(1) Why is it so time-consuming? Aren't the SB's also trying to minimize the time commitment?
(2) Do all SB's understand that the first meeting is PPM? Or is the first meeting typically just a meet-and-greet for the two people to eyeball each other in person and make sure that each is cool with the other?
Thanks again!1) Several emails or chat before moving into serious commitment. Those that was to meet immediately are pros so I try to avoid them. UTR are usually slower to want to meet and looking for safely (connection).
2) don't discuss price on email or chat on SA. Always do it via text if $ figures are involved or you will be ban.
HollywoodGuy
02-28-19, 13:37
You must be hella smoother than me. Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? How about that white girl. Come on I'm dying of blue balls over here, I'll take anything so long as she's thin. Bro my membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me off site, nothing but game players, not one of them had any follow through with anything.You must be hella smoother than me. - probably
Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no
How about that white girl. - no
My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22
You must be hella smoother than me. - probably
Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no
How about that white girl. - no
My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22.Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?
Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
02-28-19, 22:48
Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?
Thanks.The older they are the more cash they want. With the younger girls they sometimes lie to appear older. Always ask if they have ID before you even meet them. I have ditched over 2 dozen girls that could not produce an ID. No more will be said about that and please don't ask.
I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in.
Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.
I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.
The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.
As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.
Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.
The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.
The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.
It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.
90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.
The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.
As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.
Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.
The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.
The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.
It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.Forgot to mention.
Once you have a 'regular.
Mind-blowing sex, good conversation, the ability to offer them valuable / actionable advice on their goals, and taking a genuine interest in their lives will get you into the promised land of seeing girls for zero $.
I have 2 black girls, 2 white girls, and a latina that I can see whenever I want & that neither ask for nor expect any $$$ at all.
Patience & extra effort is worth it.
I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in."If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. " hahahaha I laughed my ass off after reading that one. So much of our public discourse is so studiously PC and your comment just cut through all of the bullshit and laid it on the line. Kudos to you, brother, for speaking truth!
90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.
The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.
As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.
Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.
The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.
The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.
It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.
What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.
So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.
What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.
It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.
$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.
Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.
As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".
Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.
Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.
Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.
Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.
It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.
$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.
Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.
As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".
Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.
Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.
Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.Great advice. Thanks for the perspective. And I'm glad to hear that PPM works from the jump. I'll report back on my progress!
HollywoodGuy
03-03-19, 11:41
As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. Or just tell them "You know... every LTR starts out as a one night stand. Let's see how we vibe and then go from there.
Or just tell them "You know... every LTR starts out as a one night stand. Let's see how we vibe and then go from there.I'm stealing this. Way simpler.
OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:
1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.
2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.
3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.
4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.
5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.
6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.
Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.
FarFarAway
03-04-19, 19:15
OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:
Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.Just my observation, I'd spend a few days reading the threads where major how-tos are posted. That specifically is Richmond VA sugar thread, and an archive of some of its best posts.
City Slicker
03-04-19, 20:06
OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:
1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.
2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.
3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.
4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.
5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.
6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.
Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.More power to you bro if you get anywhere with the $1 meet & greet! Unlikely but live and learn and report back! Very detailed report. Nice!
HollywoodGuy
03-05-19, 00:38
OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:
1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.
2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.
3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.
4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.
5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.
6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.
Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.Slow down there bro. You are so new they can smell it all the way across the internet. Cancel all your M&G's. Take a deep breath. Go fuck one of your regulars and start over. This time, quickly delete all the riff raff, pick 3 girls that are ringers for your fantasy girl. Graciously offer to take them to a nice lunch, or starbucks, but nothing above what you would spend in your normal daily life. And go from there.
HollywoodGuy
03-05-19, 02:36
I just read yet again on another thread about the high cost of a seeking membership. And in the same post something about how happy they were after dropping $$$ on a girl. I really don't get any ones aversion to the membership price. I don't care if you think that place is a scam and every girl is a pro. There are a ton of low mileage girls on that site.
Wobbowobbo
03-05-19, 02:56
[Deleted by Admin]The creeper factor is high and lots of girls that would be open to 200 prices are creeped out fast by guys only requesting private photos and talking to them like they are pros. [Deleted by Admin]
When you need to give them money to fuck them they are pros and the sooner they know that the better your price will be.
You post once a quarter and you're encouraging GPS, are you a chick?
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Please don't feed the trolls, either report it or add him to your ignore list.
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6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.
From talking to them, it's one or more of:
1. Straight up financial scams from Indians and Nigerians. Give me all of your info and your bank account information, so I can pay you. Except it turns out the money flows in the opposite direction, and by the time the dumb girl finds out, it's too late.
2. Guys pretending to be ballers, but failing to follow through. (See every item below).
3. Guys offering $100 to fuck in a parked car.
4. Lonely guys who want to engage in endless texting / emailing. They really just want a pen pal.
5. Guys who want to take a test drive or get a freebie. After a girl falls for it 5 or 6 times, she starts to get angry.
6. Guys offering to put the girl on an official company payroll. She "dates" him for 2 weeks and then the paycheck never arrives.
Imagine if you were horny, desperate, and poor, and the types of scams you might run.
I'll admit I've jaded more than my share of girls, but it's usually because I get bored and drop them, or she doesn't want to be part of a harem. But they can never say I wasn't generous.
What I like about the post below is how you are tracking your numbers. As has been pointed out forever, it is a numbers game. Once you get that at a very intuitive level, your personal game will grow much stronger. You should DM every profile you favorite. Even if they are marginal. In my experience, very few women will ever respond to being favorited. I recommend you think about keeping a spreadsheet or table for the profiles for which you get a number. It helps to have a reliable place (not the notes section) where you capture the woman's data. This is back up in case she blocks you, gets banned or loses her password. I already have PII on about two-thirds of the women I agree to meet. Once you have some regular SB's you will continue to search but you will find it much easier to skip over questionable profiles and to say No to requests for money at the MnG. The downside to offering money is your scarce time / budget can be consumed by all the eager women who want money at the MnG and who will never sleep with you. (They are legion and they are looking especially for you.) I now consider any insistence for money up front or at the first meeting to be a sign the woman does not expect to meet a second time and she knows she needs to score immediately.
Bam.
OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:
Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.
2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.
3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.
5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.
6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.
7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession.
8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief.
9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile.
10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".
PhantomPhx69
03-10-19, 12:53
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".That an awesome list of advice. What is the template of your arrangement to seal the deal look like?
That's because like every single site that women use, you have to account for girl math: 20 really means 20 yo, 25 is really more like 30 yo, 33 is for sure 40 yo+, and if she's listed as above 40 there's no telling how old she might actually be but rest assured it's not the age listed.
So that girl listed as 27 is probably around 35.
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.
2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.
3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.
5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.
6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.
7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession.
8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief.
9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile.
10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".I can vouch that every single thing you just said is incredibly on point. About #6 I won't even bother to contact anyone who's written a wall of text, that is a surefire sign that they are off in the head AND expect ridiculously high payouts (often with the expectation that there won't even be sex to start). I was in talks with one such lady who had a fucking book worth of text on her profile, DM me wanting to set up 300/ hr (not bad considering she looked decent) and then when I told I might consider it (thought I doubt I would gone through with it because I don't won't to pay that much) she text me back saying "Great! Just so that we are on the same page, my idea of the date would be DRINKS only (you have to pay for the drinks) and during the date we will discuss the possibility of more downstream in future dates;)" Needless to say I blocked her, had a good laugh and moved on with my day. If you can get some rich dickless wimp to pay you for a chance JUST to discuss the actual real date rates. Then hey more power to you.
OcasianBoy
03-14-19, 15:59
https://www.seeking.com/member/f483c51f-42ae-4a34-b4a4-e34b4aecda76
This girl straight out says she want 1200 per meet just to get to know each other but no sex. WTF. Funny thing is, I'm sure there's someone that will pay it.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-19, 17:06
https://www.seeking.com/member/f483c51f-42ae-4a34-b4a4-e34b4aecda76
This girl straight out says she want 1200 per meet just to get to know each other but no sex. WTF. Funny thing is, I'm sure there's someone that will pay it.The key phrase "I'm not a prostitute". Meaning she plays guys for money until they get frustrated and leave.
So, I've been working SA like a coal miner and doing coffee dates or meets almost every day for 2 weeks now. Fucked 3 SB's (27,19 and 19). $5, $3 and $3.5.
This scene is exhausting, but completely addictive. There are so many new accounts joining in L. A. Every day that it's almost impossible to keep up. I say "almost" because I am, in fact, keeping up, but it's a lot of work. I cover Simi Valley to Irvine in my searches.
So glad that I jumped into the Bowl. I'm taking a temporary hiatus from Kgirls. BOOYAH.
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.
2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.
3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.
5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.
6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.
7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession..Ten more things I've Learned About the Bowl.
11. Any chick who shows big boobs in her pix who does not share a full body shot has a fat tummy.
12. If a SB says 21, she's 21. If a SB says 22 or 23, she either means it or she's 25-26. If a SB says 24, she might be 30. There are some hard-looking 24's out there, my friends. If a SB says anything older than 24, YMMV.
13. Every coffee date I've had leads to fucking. I think a lot of SD's must be grotesque monsters.
14. Every SB has tattoos and / or piercings unless she says specifically in her profile "no tattoos or piercings"
15. There are 4 main categories of SB's in the 18-24 age range of Whites, Asians and Latinas. They are either: (1) straight-up hookers; (2) college girls who are too lazy to get jobs; (3) single moms who are struggling; or (4) very pretty girls who are kind of amazed that a rockstar or billionaire hasn't already found them and thrown Ferraris at them.
16. There is no nudity on the site at all, not in public pix or private pix. Almost no SB's, including the straight-up hookers, like to text nudes. I've texted with 100 SB's and haven't received a single nude pic. I don't ask for them, but they don't offer them, even when they're completely DTF.
17. The Bowl is fucking addictive, like crack. Do I want to check to see if there are any new hot 20 year-olds in the area who are DTF? Why, yes. Yes, I do. Every 5 minutes.
18. Some chicks deactivate their accounts and set up new accounts with the same pix. I see this every day; some new profile with pix that I remember seeing recently. Maybe they're bots or maybe bitches be crazy, but this is definitely happening.
19.18 year-old on SA are not looking to fuck. They are just playing around and then bailing out.
20. You don't want to live too far away from a SB, but you also don't want to live too close. I made a coffee date with a girl and she asked me to pick her up at her address, which turned out to be 0. 2 miles from my house, according to Google Maps. It was a 5-minute walk from my house. When I told her that, she instantly blocked my profile.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-19, 18:26
SB or UTR? Favorite a bunch of girls. Then look to see who is consistently at the top. Those are the UTR's.
SB or UTR? Favorite a bunch of girls. Then look to see who is consistently at the top. Those are the UTR's.Why would UTR's be reported at the top of a "Favorite Profile" list?
HollywoodGuy
03-16-19, 03:33
Why would UTR's be reported at the top of a "Favorite Profile" list?Because they are the ones soliciting day in and day out. SB's usually take a more laid back approach.
HollywoodGuy
03-16-19, 04:51
Here is What I've Learned So Far. (Blarharse)
After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team. (MOSTLY TRUE).
2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles. (FALSE).
3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country. (FALSE).
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me. (VERY TRUE).
5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment. (SLOW DOWN A LITTLE).
6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is. (VERY TRUE).
7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession. (LOL TRUE).
8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief. (TRUE).
9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile. (MANY OF THOSE ARE JUST THE NEW PROFILES).
10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ". (STICK AROUND, IT HAPPENS A LOT).
11. Any chick who shows big boobs in her pix who does not share a full body shot has a fat tummy. (TRUE).
12. If a SB says 21, she's 21. If a SB says 22 or 23, she either means it or she's 25-26. If a SB says 24, she might be 30. There are some hard-looking 24's out there, my friends. If a SB says anything older than 24, YMMV. (MOSTLY TRUE).
13. Every coffee date I've had leads to fucking. I think a lot of SD's must be grotesque monsters. (EVERY DATE?, YOU MUST BE A GOOD PAYER).
14. Every SB has tattoos and / or piercings unless she says specifically in her profile "no tattoos or piercings" (TRUE).
15. There are 4 main categories of SB's in the 18-24 age range of Whites, Asians and Latinas. They are either: (1) straight-up hookers; (2) college girls who are too lazy to get jobs; (3) single moms who are struggling; or (4) very pretty girls who are kind of amazed that a rockstar or billionaire hasn't already found them and thrown Ferraris at them. (AND GIRLS THAT JUST WANT SOME ADVENTURE IN THEIR LIVES, THEY ARE THE BEST).
16. There is no nudity on the site at all, not in public pix or private pix. Almost no SB's, including the straight-up hookers, like to text nudes. I've texted with 100 SB's and haven't received a single nude pic. I don't ask for them, but they don't offer them, even when they're completely DTF. (RARE, BUT IT HAPPENS, MOSTLY ALL PROS).
17. The Bowl is fucking addictive, like crack. Do I want to check to see if there are any new hot 20 year-olds in the area who are DTF? Why, yes. Yes, I do. Every 5 minutes. (TRUE).
18. Some chicks deactivate their accounts and set up new accounts with the same pix. I see this every day; some new profile with pix that I remember seeing recently. Maybe they're bots or maybe bitches be crazy, but this is definitely happening. (OR SOMETIMES THEY KICKED OFF AND HAVE TO MAKE A NEW PROFILE, OR THEY JUST LOSE THEIR PASSWORD).
19.18 year-old on SA are not looking to fuck. They are just playing around and then bailing out. (HALF-TRUE)(AND ALWAYS ASK FOR STATE ISSUED ID BEFORE YOU MEET IF THIS IS YOUR TARGET AGE).
20. You don't want to live too far away from a SB, but you also don't want to live too close. I made a coffee date with a girl and she asked me to pick her up at her address, which turned out to be 0. 2 miles from my house, according to Google Maps. It was a 5-minute walk from my house. When I told her that, she instantly blocked my profile. (TRUE, BUT NEVER TELL THEM WHERE YOU LIVE ANYWAY, EXCEPT GENERICALLY).
HollywoodGuy
03-16-19, 06:44
I have 4 UTR's to choose from this weekend. Will report back Monday.
I have 4 UTR's to choose from this weekend. Will report back Monday.Second one is my favorite. Been out of the bowl for a bit but returning hopefully next month.
HollywoodGuy
03-16-19, 18:53
Second one is my favorite. Been out of the bowl for a bit but returning hopefully next month.Unfortunately she requested an increase in the allowance (so that ended it). So far I have a date with #4 for tomorrow night. I flaked on # 1 to see my SB / GF today. And # 3 is also pushing for more dinero.
PointDexterJr
03-16-19, 20:02
So, I've been working SA like a coal miner and doing coffee dates or meets almost every day for 2 weeks now. Fucked 3 SB's (27,19 and 19). $5, $3 and $3.5.
This scene is exhausting, but completely addictive. There are so many new accounts joining in L. A. Every day that it's almost impossible to keep up. I say "almost" because I am, in fact, keeping up, but it's a lot of work. I cover Simi Valley to Irvine in my searches.
So glad that I jumped into the Bowl. I'm taking a temporary hiatus from Kgirls. BOOYAH.Please clarify -.
$5, $3 and $3. 5.
500,300, and 350?
Damm you are spoiling these hoes -.
Please clarify -.
$5, $3 and $3. 5.
500,300, and 350?
Damm you are spoiling these hoes -.The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.
OcasianBoy
03-17-19, 01:08
The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.Mind sharing who they are, if you're not seeing them again.
Christophe1
03-17-19, 01:38
The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.I hear you. It wasn't that long ago though when we were getting Non-Pros in the 60 to 100 range. I felt embarrased too so I would take some out, and sometimes they would just call to fuck for free. The sugar daddy websites really messed up the game and gave young ladies high expectations.
HollywoodGuy
03-17-19, 04:16
Mind sharing who they are, if you're not seeing them again.Just post the links to their profiles.
PriscillaM
03-17-19, 15:17
Unfortunately she requested an increase in the allowance (so that ended it). So far I have a date with #4 for tomorrow night. I flaked on # 1 to see my SB / GF today. And # 3 is also pushing for more dinero.I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.
HollywoodGuy
03-17-19, 20:11
I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.And then there are the ones that are loyal. If you are looking for that sort of thing. But then you get on the hook as their only source of income outside of their regular job. And the emotional hook of being the BF. Not every ones cup of tea. I like the mix of the two. About 3 months ago my current SB/GF (who still plays guys for money) stopped asking for her allowance. Soon there after I noticed our sessions were getting a bit shorter. I didn't mind too much as I wasn't paying her anymore. Just regular dating expenses like food or the room if we got one. Then a week or so ago, I basically told her, we just dont fuck as long as we used to (although we fuck far more often). She was like "well when you were paying for it I felt obligated". but not anymore. lol. I am very happy, but it just shows that the dynamics can change, and you have to be ready for the GF relationship stuff.
I guess what I am trying to say is that every possible relationship dynamic is possible in the bowl. This is just one example. I am a go with the flow kinda guy. So I appreciate where ever it leads, and try to have as few expectations as possible. I am just looking to have a good time at a fair price, anything more than that and I feel blessed.
HollywoodGuy
03-18-19, 00:56
I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.
PriscillaM
03-19-19, 16:55
Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.
Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.
UTR. Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-19, 00:21
Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.
Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.
UTR = Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.Professional = pro. Uses any and all marketing tactics to get clients, as many as possible.
UTR. A pro on the down low. Uses the SD sites due to being busted on the street or some other bad experience.
SB = takes cash for sex (preferably monogamous, but no guarantees)(could be high or low mileage).
Non pro (conservative definition) = you are the first guy she has ever taken money from for sex.
Non pro (liberal definition) = may have taken money for sex a few times but still a novice (not hardened in any way and really has no clue what they are doing... yet).
Also an SB or non pro may want to do all the GF stuff and spend a bunch of time with you, get emotionally connected, etc. Something a pro or UTR is not likely to do. Its all very nuanced, but the bottom line is you can score a lot of very low mileage gals at good prices, many from middle class or even upper class homes. College girls galore, and girls with heavy sex fantasies, party girls, just all around fun girls. If that's what you want. Many guys do not for just as many reasons.
Today my SB/GF (not monogamous) says to me, "you never take me anywhere, every time I see you all we do is fuck"... Official GF status has kicked in. She doesn't ask for my cash, just the normal dating expenses, feels entitled to see me at least 3 times a week. etc. etc. When she was on allowance I saw her max once a week. Its all I could afford. But she wanted more, so she agreed to take less. Its all in the balance and where you want the pendulum to swing.
SWalkerRanger
03-20-19, 00:34
Professional = pro. Uses any and all marketing tactics to get clients, as many as possible.
UTR. A pro on the down low. Uses the SD sites due to being busted on the street or some other bad experience.
SB = takes cash for sex (preferably monogamous, but no guarantees)(could be high or low mileage).
Non pro (conservative definition) = you are the first guy she has ever taken money from for sex.
Non pro (liberal definition) = may have taken money for sex a few times but still a novice (not hardened in any way).
Also an SB or non pro may want to do all the GF stuff and spend a bunch of time with you, get emotionally connected, etc. Something a pro or UTR is not likely to do. Its all very nuanced, but the bottom line is you can score a lot of very low mileage gals at good prices, many from middle class or even upper class homes. College girls galore, and girls with heavy sex fantasies, party girls, just all around fun girls. If that's what you want. Many guys do not for just as many reasons.
Today my SB/GF (not monogamous) says to me, "you never take me anywhere, every time I see you all we do is fuck"... Official GF status has kicked in. She doesn't ask for my cash, just the normal dating expenses, feels entitled to see me at least 3 times a week. etc. etc. When she was on allowance I saw her max once a week. Its all I could afford. But she wanted more, so she agreed to take less. Its all in the balance and where you want the pendulum to swing.I am very interested in having a sugar baby, or a few, but I am wary of it because with professionals, you basically make the decision that you want to go on a date, it costs a certain amount of money, and it's over. With a sugar baby, it seems like it is more of a long term arrangement in which you have to set aside a certain amount of money per month specifically, rather than going on dates as you feel like it.
Alas, I am very interested in the experience of having a sugar baby, as it seems to be a much safer arrangement than seeing professionals, and the nuances of it are quite appealing.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-19, 00:48
Even after laying it out for them on seeking, sometimes they still don't get it or are hoping for a miracle. As I never get overly explicit on the site.
HER
You'd pay 100 to meet me for a date to see if there's a connection?
ME
Pretty close. Email me at fuckme@email.com for the details. I like to make things as easy as possible.
Via email I will spell it out for her, one out of 3 or 4 take the T&C's.
I am very interested in having a sugar baby, or a few, but I am wary of it because with professionals, you basically make the decision that you want to go on a date, it costs a certain amount of money, and it's over. With a sugar baby, it seems like it is more of a long term arrangement in which you have to set aside a certain amount of money per month specifically, rather than going on dates as you feel like it.
Alas, I am very interested in the experience of having a sugar baby, as it seems to be a much safer arrangement than seeing professionals, and the nuances of it are quite appealing.Long term arrangements are very, very rare. Once you've had a girl once or twice, the appeal is diminishing very rapidly. In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark. As a paying customer your requirements will be higher for each meeting and you'll always wonder who else you can you meet with your hard-earned money (hey, a new toy!).
Long term arrangements are very, very rare...... In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark. This was the biggest surprise to me about SA. If you believe the bullshit the site pumps out, or the crap that gets posted on Reddit, you think that you have to commit to a monthly payroll. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. I would say it's a small percentage who are even looking for that, and even fewer who get it. The vast majority of girls are fine with PPM. Some of them prefer more of a "dating" interaction, where you don't give them cash but take them places and give them gifts. I prefer the simplicity of PPM, and am pretty sure that it is cheaper in the end.
The trick, the art, and in my opinion, part of the fun of the whole deal, is maneuvering them to the FC without acknowledging the P4 P aspect any more than you have to. This allows you to access girls who don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes. Done correctly, it enables you to nail a hot young girl who is very low mileage, trying really hard to make you feel good and who is not in a hurry. I just don't know where else I can get that.
This was the biggest surprise to me about SA. If you believe the bullshit the site pumps out, or the crap that gets posted on Reddit, you think that you have to commit to a monthly payroll. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. I would say it's a small percentage who are even looking for that, and even fewer who get it. The vast majority of girls are fine with PPM. Some of them prefer more of a "dating" interaction, where you don't give them cash but take them places and give them gifts. I prefer the simplicity of PPM, and am pretty sure that it is cheaper in the end.
The trick, the art, and in my opinion, part of the fun of the whole deal, is maneuvering them to the FC without acknowledging the P4 P aspect any more than you have to. This allows you to access girls who don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes. Done correctly, it enables you to nail a hot young girl who is very low mileage, trying really hard to make you feel good and who is not in a hurry. I just don't know where else I can get that.There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality. I've been on reddit and it was absolutely mind-blowing. All it is is girls snipping and sabotaging each other:
Girl 1: well all I do is a BJ once in a while and I get $400 every week.
Girl 2: giiiirl!, you're getting played! I get $1000 every week and all we do is shop and eat dinner.
Girl 3: you two are losers. I get a new BMW every single week and all I do is send him 1 text message per day.
And on, and on.
Meanwhile, all the guys are going: I pay $150 to maybe $300 for FS, multi-hours. I have no idea what all them bitches are talking about.
My only concern with sugar babes is that they are not true professionals. This might be good until things work well, but I wonder whether the lack of professionalism might come and bit you in the ass once the relationship is over, or if the sugar babe is not happy about the treatment you are giving her. Any experience with sugar babes blackmailing you after the relationship is over? Or calling you to get more money or telling you "I'll spill the beans with your wife or girlfriend"?
There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality.Word. I don't think it's accidental. I think SA has two motivations: (1) avoid getting shut down; and (2) getting the girls on the site. They know if the girls are there, the paying members (men) will show up.
Really, our interests are aligned with SA on this. I don't want them to get shut down (and I don't think it's at all likely). And I do want the girls there, lots of them.
The problem is that for (1) SA has to pump out the marketing bullshit that it is a "dating" site, so naturally some girls show up expecting that. That is not that big a problem, just need to educate those girls on how the world works. I am happy to educate them with my dick. (2) is a bigger problem, because to get the girls on the site, they inflate their financial expectations enormously. Educating the girls about market prices is harder work and dicier.
But the combination of (1) and (2) has resulted in an absolute metric shit ton of tasty young girls on the site, so even though it makes our work harder, it's not all bad.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-19, 15:44
Long term arrangements are very, very rare. Once you've had a girl once or twice, the appeal is diminishing very rapidly. In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark. As a paying customer your requirements will be higher for each meeting and you'll always wonder who else you can you meet with your hard-earned money (hey, a new toy!).My average over the years has been 1 out of 30 girls makes it to LTR status.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-19, 15:51
There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality. I've been on reddit and it was absolutely mind-blowing. All it is is girls snipping and sabotaging each other:
Girl 1: well all I do is a BJ once in a while and I get $400 every week.
Girl 2: giiiirl!, you're getting played! I get $1000 every week and all we do is shop and eat dinner.
Girl 3: you two are losers. I get a new BMW every single week and all I do is send him 1 text message per day.
And on, and on.
Meanwhile, all the guys are going: I pay $150 to maybe $300 for FS, multi-hours. I have no idea what all them bitches are talking about.Every girl has a one time story of some guy they (or a friend, or some girl they read about online) played and got lucky. I know of a few crazy true stories myself. But even the HEF only paid his girls 2k a month plus room and board. Which is a pretty hefty load (no pun intended) when you are talking about a dozen girls at a time. Not counting his x wife and two kids in that equation.
My average over the years has been 1 out of 30 girls makes it to LTR status.HWGuy wins the SA award for most successful downloads of all time. Damn I hope you keep a scrap book!
A) You should teach a course (is there still a Learning ANNEX?
B) Just curious are you a rain coat or BB kind of player? If I may ask when and how you determine to cover up or go BB?
HollywoodGuy
03-20-19, 23:46
HWGuy wins the SA award for most successful downloads of all time. Damn I hope you keep a scrap book!
A) You should teach a course (is there still a Learning ANNEX?
B) Just curious are you a rain coat or BB kind of player? If I may ask when and how you determine to cover up or go BB?I used to go bare. But after too many scares, I go covered. I dont really trust anyone anymore.
HollywoodGuy
03-21-19, 02:43
So I am taking a chance on a pepperdine freshman. A genuine NP looking for a first time experience. Lots of txting and planning required for this one. I am going to uber her to santa monica and go from there. She can think its a date. But for me its going to be an M&G. If she isn't enamored, then off she goes back to malibu.
But we already discussed the FC and she seems "excited". Her words. Hope she doesn't flake, as the date is like 10 days away. Hit her up her first day on the site. But I can see she logs on a lot. She could be off the site before I even get to see her. Meaning she is either long gone due to cold feet, or maybe just gets frustrated with the site, but not me. Lots of variables to contend with.
HollywoodGuy
03-21-19, 17:21
Talking to another NP, freshman at CSUN. I used to relish the chase to get a true NP. Not so much anymore. Usually the sex isn't as great. The txting and messaging is a lot more extensive. Most of the deals fall through. But I used to think it was the holy grail. For me any hot 18-20 is just fine, just no heavy drama please.
I used to go bare. But after too many scares, I go covered. I dont really trust anyone anymore.I did the math and figured post post that you had to. All these guys going BB are having to spend time at the free STD clinic and that's if you get lucky. I have had my share to not go bare now!
I used to relish the chase to get a true NP. Not so much anymore. We appreciate you taking one for the team, HG. With the volumes you are running, I guess sticking your dick into a sweet, inexperienced, hot 18 year old college girl seems like work. Not sure if I'll ever get to that point. Not sure I want to. Personally, I still like the true NP's. I guess I'm just a neophyte.
HollywoodGuy
03-22-19, 00:22
We appreciate you taking one for the team, HG. With the volumes you are running, I guess sticking your dick into a sweet, inexperienced, hot 18 year old college girl seems like work. Not sure if I'll ever get to that point. Not sure I want to. Personally, I still like the true NP's. I guess I'm just a neophyte.It is more work. My current SB/GF was 18 and 2 weeks when I met her. But she was a wild child. Pretty low mileage overall but not a pay to play virgin. After a year she stills needs a little warming up to take it balls deep. But no complaints. Here are the 2 ppm virgins I am courting rn. One pretty cute, the other not so cute but with a true spinner body. Both have agreed to the T&C's. But it don't mean a thing if they don't take my bling.
Madaboutmax
03-22-19, 11:27
I agree two of the biggest risks SDs have with SBs is being blackmailed and dealing with a crazy scorned SB when the relationship ends or they feel they've been wronged.
Many escorts have migrated to Seeking . Com so the risks of being robbed or cash and dash associated with escorts is still there. There are examples of being blackmailed by escorts, but it is more common with SBs since they often have more access to your personal info.
The biggest risk for me in the bowl is the crazy psycho SBs. Many of these girls don't understand the competitive disadvantage they are at it the bowl, have never been rejected before and have unrealistic expectations of what they can demand in the bowl.
When I've rejected a hot young girl because I've found a better option they can go crazy and make crazy threats. In their anger, they may not think rationally and could be willing to put themselves at risk if needed to hurt me. A blackmailer is more rational and doesn't want to put themselves at risk and can be reasoned with.
My only concern with sugar babes is that they are not true professionals. This might be good until things work well, but I wonder whether the lack of professionalism might come and bit you in the ass once the relationship is over, or if the sugar babe is not happy about the treatment you are giving her. Any experience with sugar babes blackmailing you after the relationship is over? Or calling you to get more money or telling you "I'll spill the beans with your wife or girlfriend"?
After reading the reports it sounds like most of the SB action is through seeking and done with hefty screening, but worth it. If that's the case then it seems to me that a seeking membership is required to get SB traffic going for myself. True? It's quite pricey.
SharpWanker
03-22-19, 14:33
Hello gentlemen,
Does any of you guys met this girl?
I'm just about to sell my left kidney.
https://www.seeking.com/member/370add69-afab-4440-86db-7876ebf2c99c
Catholic Confession.
Confiteor. Mass prayer:
I confess to the almighty Bowl.
And to you, my brothers and babies.
That I have fucked nearly beyond my capacity.
In my bed and in a few hotels.
In who I have fucked and those I've failed to get to.
And I ask blessed Baby, Never virgin, all the babies and POTs.
And you, my seeking gals.
To wait for me for I will get to you.
Having such a great time, just couldn't help but write a little prayer about it.
HollywoodGuy
03-22-19, 16:03
Many of these girls don't understand the competitive disadvantage they are at it the bowl, have never been rejected before and have unrealistic expectations of what they can demand in the bowl.Except for the seasoned pros. This is 99% accurate. As there are always exceptions.
The biggest risk for me in the bowl is the crazy psycho SBs. Many of these girls don't understand the competitive disadvantage they are at it the bowl, have never been rejected before and have unrealistic expectations of what they can demand in the bowl.
When I've rejected a hot young girl because I've found a better option they can go crazy and make crazy threats. In their anger, they may not think rationally and could be willing to put themselves at risk if needed to hurt me. A blackmailer is more rational and doesn't want to put themselves at risk and can be reasoned with.Please tell us more. I would like details here. I've gone into the bowl super-hard and I'm in the shallow end of the non-pro pool, mostly searching 18-21, Asian and White. Don't these girls all have multiple dudes lined up to take our places? Why would they be so angry? Please share!
HollywoodGuy
03-23-19, 10:53
Hello gentlemen,
Does any of you guys met this girl?
I'm just about to sell my left kidney.
https://www.seeking.com/member/370add69-afab-4440-86db-7876ebf2c99cShe looks pricey for sure. GPS.
HollywoodGuy
03-23-19, 15:05
My SB / GF is a free spirit. Hope the neighbors don't go too crazy.
I tried, but she just seems to like attention.
My SB / GF is a free spirit. Hope the neighbors don't go too crazy.Do you only go after black SB's because they're cheaper or is it a sexual preference?
HollywoodGuy
03-24-19, 11:56
It was bound to happen one day. My live in (pic 2) caught me in bed with my SB/GF (pic 1) when she got home from work. Its not like she doesn't know (and they have crossed paths before in the living room). But I always schedule one around the other. But after our time in the FC we both fell asleep. It wouldn't have been so bad except she was sleeping on my live ins side of the bed. This led to a very quiet night at home last night.
Most likely my total living situation is going to change one way or the other fairly soon. I may move or just move her out. Either way its becoming a bit tiresome. And I have way overspent on no-tels in the last few months. If my income would just go back up, that would solve a lot of problems. But that's still somewhere down the road a few months.
Like my x brother in-law used to say "money won't solve all your problems, but it will definitely solve your financial problems". And most of the problems I have encountered in the bowl seem to circle around the cost of being in it.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-19, 12:13
Do you only go after black SB's because they're cheaper or is it a sexual preference?It's my preference, I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and developed an appreciation for them at an early age. And they are certainly more affordable. I can get a much better looking black girl than a white one for what I spend. I would say its half the cost or less. There are some very pricey black girls out there ($$$ and up), but they are the 10's (looks and skills combined). Overall the black girls are physically superior in muscle tone and shape, and yes I think much prettier overall. And their skills and attitude in the FC are more chill and and adventurous as well. If I had more money I would just get hotter black girls, but I am sure I would venture out more to the latina, asian and white girls in that order. And no matter the race I would always lean towards the tanned or darker skinned ones. And hands down I love brown nips and pussy over pink. (but its all pink on the inside... lol).
It's my preference, I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and developed an appreciation for them at an early age. And they are certainly more affordable. I can get a much better looking black girl than a white one for what I spend. I would say its half the cost or less. There are some very pricey black girls out there ($$$ and up), but they are the 10's (looks and skills combined). Overall the black girls are physically superior in muscle tone and shape, and yes I think much prettier overall. And their skills and attitude in the FC are more chill and and adventurous as well. If I had more money I would just get hotter black girls, but I am sure I would venture out more to the latina, asian and white girls in that order. And no matter the race I would always lean towards the tanned or darker skinned ones. And hands down I love brown nips and pussy over pink. (but its all pink on the inside... lol).I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood, but there weren't any cute white girls. There was a cute Latina and a rocking hot Italian girl (Who knew it very early). I have crushes on white girls and dated a number in 20's and 30's but I prefer dark skin women. Also, just my opinion but I don't find many of the white girls on seeking attractive. Like HG, if I had the capital, I would venture out but I have rarely been disappointed by and Latinas or Black girls. They are very passionate and love sex.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-19, 17:54
I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood, but there weren't any cute white girls. There was a cute Latina and a rocking hot Italian girl (Who knew it very early). I have crushes on white girls and dated a number in 20's and 30's but I prefer dark skin women. Also, just my opinion but I don't find many of the white girls on seeking attractive. Like HG, if I had the capital, I would venture out but I have rarely been disappointed by and Latinas or Black girls. They are very passionate and love sex.And they come into their own at an earlier age. By 18 many of them are already fairly experienced. And very open to learn more. I am old enough to say inter-racial dating wasn't really allowed when I was in high school. It may have been legal, but everyone was against it. But as soon as I graduated that changed fast (although it was always on the down low). And when i moved to cali, the doors flung wide open. lol ... I mean no one really gives a shit what you do out here. I live on an all white street (except for one black guy, who of course only dates white girls), so my neighbors have seen plenty, but I think they are more surprised about their ages than their race. Mostly older married couples over here. Gay and straight. But all white.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-19, 21:15
After reading quite a few posts about guys being banned. I am pretty sure the girls making most of the complaints are white girls, the prissy little things that they are, so easily offended. JMHO.
PriscillaM
03-24-19, 21:30
It's my preference, I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and developed an appreciation for them at an early age. And they are certainly more affordable. I can get a much better looking black girl than a white one for what I spend. I would say its half the cost or less. There are some very pricey black girls out there ($$$ and up), but they are the 10's (looks and skills combined). Overall the black girls are physically superior in muscle tone and shape, and yes I think much prettier overall. And their skills and attitude in the FC are more chill and and adventurous as well. If I had more money I would just get hotter black girls, but I am sure I would venture out more to the latina, asian and white girls in that order. And no matter the race I would always lean towards the tanned or darker skinned ones. And hands down I love brown nips and pussy over pink. (but its all pink on the inside... lol).In other words, non pro black gals, who are actually pros, are cheaper.
Her: Do you want to go again?
Me: Yep.
Her: Does that mean I have to take another Plan B?
Facepalm. Haaaa! I love these girls.
Silly question. Does seeking.com accept prepaid debit cards and do they work? They seem to indicate that I need a debit card that accepts international charges so I was not sure. Can't exactly put it on the credit card.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-19, 22:21
In other words, non pro black gals, who are actually pros, are cheaper.Sorry your feigned ignorance on this topic has to be continually repeated. Your question makes me question your reason for even being here. Other than a real resentment against anyone who has courted and bagged an NP first timer. A pro is a pro and a non pro is a non pro. You can't be both at the same time.
But pretending for a moment that you are just ignorant on the topic (and for any truly new people that might be and want clarity) I will post it one more time. A non pro is a girl who prior to you giving it to her, has not received money for sex at any time in the past. So in the courting stage of trying to get her affection she is a non pro. Once you give her the money she is no longer a non pro in the strict definition of the word (more on this later)**. She then becomes what is known in general parlance on this thread as a SB. SB stands for sugar baby. A girl that gives sexual favors for sugar/money. Which then puts her in the pro status. Are we clear now... or should it be repeated yet again?
**In some other threads and even this one, people will continue to refer to a girl as a non pro in her very early forays into the pro world. These are very low mileage girls that still give off that barely driven scent of naivete that many guys crave that hit the SD sites. and thanks for listening
So now to answer your question had it been worded correctly... non pro black gals are cheaper than non pro white gals... and pro black gals are cheaper than pro white gals. BTW, you may have noticed that this site is called "Sugar Daddy Sites". A sugar daddy is a guy that pays for sex. There is a local non pro thread on this site. Maybe you would be happier posting there?
I am so bored now that I have to take a nap. Maybe the tempo will pick up after I awake from all this sarcasm.
Sorry your feigned ignorance on this topic has to be continually repeated. Your question makes me question your reason for even being here. Other than a real resentment against anyone who has courted and bagged an NP first timer. A pro is a pro and a non pro is a non pro. You can't be both at the same time.
But pretending for a moment that you are just ignorant on the topic (and for any truly new people that might be and want clarity) I will post it one more time. A non pro is a girl who prior to you giving it to her, has not received money for sex at any time in the past. So in the courting stage of trying to get her affection she is a non pro. Once you give her the money she is no longer a non pro in the strict definition of the word (more on this later)**. She then becomes what is known in general parlance on this thread as a SB. SB stands for sugar baby. A girl that gives sexual favors for sugar/money. Which then puts her in the pro status. Are we clear now... or should it be repeated yet again?
**In some other threads and even this one, people will continue to refer to a girl as a non pro in her very early forays into the pro world. These are very low mileage girls that still give off that barely driven scent of naivete that many guys crave that hit the SD sites. and thanks for listening
So now to answer your question had it been worded correctly... non pro black gals are cheaper than non pro white gals... and pro black gals are cheaper than pro white gals. BTW, you may have noticed that this site is called "Sugar Daddy Sites". A sugar daddy is a guy that pays for sex. There is a local non pro thread on this site. Maybe you would be happier posting there?
I am so bored now that I have to take a nap. Maybe the tempo will pick up after I awake from all this sarcasm.I am going to guess that the majority of the girls I have met on Seeking have been nps until we did the deed. A slim majority but still. One reason I suspect this is I try to get them when they are first on the site. The first few days. My long term I met the first day she was one the site. She never met anyone else. I have another like that that I have never given more that transportation money. One that I never gave a dime to. A few more that I paid but they admitted it was there first time with an older guy. I have had plenty of utrs and some straight out pros. I think their are more NP's on their than you think, but you have to be looking for the girl next door type. Maybe a little heavier than you like. The knockouts are pros. I had two that were models and had arrangements before but I don't think they were hitting every guy that was interested. The spectrum of experience is vast.
HollywoodGuy
03-25-19, 10:49
One reason I suspect this is I try to get them when they are first on the site. The first few days. My long term I met the first day she was one the site. She never met anyone else. The girl I live with, same story. Met her six years ago, dated for a year, then she had a couple of GF's in between, now back with me for the last 2 years. My current SB/GF stopped taking my sugar 3 months ago, but still dates for cash to cover her expenses. Like you said. Lots of nuances. I used to chase those NP's all out. And still do, but just casually. Low mileage (GFE) is good enough for me or any seasoned pro willing to show some real affection (rare but it happens).
I'm certainly not new at this, but it drives me nuts when some one does short hand with a description. Where's the urban dictionary for this stuff located?
What does, FC, mean or stand for??
I'm certainly not new at this, but it drives me nuts when some one does short hand with a description. Where's the urban dictionary for this stuff located?
What does, FC, mean or stand for??FC = Fuck Chamber. The place you take your SB to fuck her. There is a tab for abbreviations in toolbar at top, but inexplicably it leaves out this very popular one.
21. There are a huge number of very short girls on SA. I can't believe how many 4'11" and under chicks are listed. I've seen 4'6" for fuck's sake. Maybe it's because I'm searching a lot of Asians but, Lordy.
22. There is a rising tide of tranny listings and two-girls-at-once listings on SA.
23. There is a small percentage of girls whose profiles keep disappearing and re-appearing under different names with the same photos and profile info. Either they are scammers and want to avoid the blocks which they are getting or they're getting shut down for breaking the rules and need to come back in under a different name.
24. When a girl posts a photo of herself in a bathroom mirror and there is an open toilet in the shot, she is completely self-obsessed. She literally doesn't notice that she's featuring a shit bucket in her photo because she only sees herself.
25. There are an annoying number of SB profiles with "Platonic" tags and it's impossible to tell without spending valuable time questioning whether the tag is just there to give them plausible deniability if they are ever charged or whether it's genuine. The genuine ones irritate the shit out of me. You want me to pay you a monthly fee to take you to lunch? Are you out of your fucking mind?
26. There is a small but annoying number of accounts who DM you from a distant location and then try to sell you nude photos. Who would fall for that?
27. There is a Venmo scam where an account with pix of a hot-looking local girl quickly agrees to see you and claims to be pretty close to you. She says that she needs a token of good will so please Venmo her a few dollars for gas money. She doesn't specify how much, so it seems like a harmless ask, but the "girl" rakes in $5-20 per sucker and then disappears. It's a volume business for the guy running the scam.
28. If a chick only has one profile pic and it doesn't show her face, she is either surprisingly ugly or surprisingly pretty. The ugly ones do it for obvious reasons. The pretty ones do it because they are genuinely afraid of being recognized and are trying to keep what they're doing on the DL.
29. If a chick's profile has a picture of her doing the splits, it's a very good sign.
30. An annoyingly large number of accounts show L. A. As the location of the SB when they actually live somewhere else. They claim to want to move to L. A. Or they just moved away from L. A. , but what they're really trying to do is get you to fly them to L. A. And they sucker you in with the L. A. Tag. I instantly block anyone who pulls this shit.
Bigsqueeze
03-26-19, 08:02
What does, FC, mean or stand for??I know it stands for Fuck Chamber, but my mind always reads it as Fuck Cave. I guess it's the animal lust in my psyche that does it.
NutritionFacts
03-27-19, 14:40
It seems they always find me, not sure how I use incognito and different pics, sort of the same description tho. Any ideas how to get back on?
It seems they always find me, not sure how I use incognito and different pics, sort of the same description tho. Any ideas how to get back on?I expect they recognize your IP address. Try setting up a new profile using a VPN. TunnelBear has a "light" version that is free. There are other free VPN's available but I am not familiar with them. I use the paid version of TunnelBear, $60 per year, for all my mongering activities.
HollywoodGuy
03-27-19, 21:03
21. There are a huge number of very short girls on SA. I can't believe how many 4'11" and under chicks are listed. I've seen 4'6" for fuck's sake. Maybe it's because I'm searching a lot of Asians but, Lordy.
22. There is a rising tide of tranny listings and two-girls-at-once listings on SA.
23. There is a small percentage of girls whose profiles keep disappearing and re-appearing under different names with the same photos and profile info. Either they are scammers and want to avoid the blocks which they are getting or they're getting shut down for breaking the rules and need to come back in under a different name.
24. When a girl posts a photo of herself in a bathroom mirror and there is an open toilet in the shot, she is completely self-obsessed. She literally doesn't notice that she's featuring a shit bucket in her photo because she only sees herself.
25. There are an annoying number of SB profiles with "Platonic" tags and it's impossible to tell without spending valuable time questioning whether the tag is just there to give them plausible deniability if they are ever charged or whether it's genuine. The genuine ones irritate the shit out of me. You want me to pay you a monthly fee to take you to lunch? Are you out of your fucking mind?
26. There is a small but annoying number of accounts who DM you from a distant location and then try to sell you nude photos. Who would fall for that?
27. There is a Venmo scam where an account with pix of a hot-looking local girl quickly agrees to see you and claims to be pretty close to you. She says that she needs a token of good will so please Venmo her a few dollars for gas money. She doesn't specify how much, so it seems like a harmless ask, but the "girl" rakes in $5-20 per sucker and then disappears. It's a volume business for the guy running the scam.
28. If a chick only has one profile pic and it doesn't show her face, she is either surprisingly ugly or surprisingly pretty. The ugly ones do it for obvious reasons. The pretty ones do it because they are genuinely afraid of being recognized and are trying to keep what they're doing on the DL.
29. If a chick's profile has a picture of her doing the splits, it's a very good sign.
30. An annoyingly large number of accounts show L. A. As the location of the SB when they actually live somewhere else. They claim to want to move to L. A. Or they just moved away from L. A. , but what they're really trying to do is get you to fly them to L. A. And they sucker you in with the L. A. Tag. I instantly block anyone who pulls this shit.21. There are a huge number of very short girls on SA. I can't believe how many 4'11" and under chicks are listed. I've seen 4'6" for fuck's sake. Maybe it's because I'm searching a lot of Asians but, Lordy. - AWESOME. RIGHT?
22. There is a rising tide of tranny listings and two-girls-at-once listings on SA. - AGREED.
23. There is a small percentage of girls whose profiles keep disappearing and re-appearing under different names with the same photos and profile info. Either they are scammers and want to avoid the blocks which they are getting or they're getting shut down for breaking the rules and need to come back in under a different name. - I NEVER SEEM TO RUN INTO THIS.
24. When a girl posts a photo of herself in a bathroom mirror and there is an open toilet in the shot, she is completely self-obsessed. She literally doesn't notice that she's featuring a shit bucket in her photo because she only sees herself. - MAYBE.
25. There are an annoying number of SB profiles with "Platonic" tags and it's impossible to tell without spending valuable time questioning whether the tag is just there to give them plausible deniability if they are ever charged or whether it's genuine. The genuine ones irritate the shit out of me. You want me to pay you a monthly fee to take you to lunch? Are you out of your fucking mind? - HAVING SPOKEN TO A FEW, MY ADVICE IS JUST HIDE THEIR PROFILES.
26. There is a small but annoying number of accounts who DM you from a distant location and then try to sell you nude photos. Who would fall for that? - ONCE IN A GREAT WHILE I GET THIS.
27. There is a Venmo scam where an account with pix of a hot-looking local girl quickly agrees to see you and claims to be pretty close to you. She says that she needs a token of good will so please Venmo her a few dollars for gas money. She doesn't specify how much, so it seems like a harmless ask, but the "girl" rakes in $5-20 per sucker and then disappears. It's a volume business for the guy running the scam. - EVERYONES ENTITLED TO MAKE A LIVING.
28. If a chick only has one profile pic and it doesn't show her face, she is either surprisingly ugly or surprisingly pretty. The ugly ones do it for obvious reasons. The pretty ones do it because they are genuinely afraid of being recognized and are trying to keep what they're doing on the DL. - I WON'T MESSAGE A GIRL WITH NO FACE PIC IN HER PROFILE (AND A GOOD BODY SHOT).
29. If a chick's profile has a picture of her doing the splits, it's a very good sign. - IF YOU LIKE CHEERLEADERS OR BALLERINA'S
30. An annoyingly large number of accounts show L. A. As the location of the SB when they actually live somewhere else. They claim to want to move to L. A. Or they just moved away from L. A. , but what they're really trying to do is get you to fly them to L. A. And they sucker you in with the L. A. Tag. I instantly block anyone who pulls this shit. - VERY COMMON.
HER PROFILE: . . . Plot my takeover of the galactic empire. . .
HER RESPONSE: I'm looking for a 6 k / month allowance. We could start weekly. . . I'd also love to have you help me build a small investment profile, or get a new mac with a speedy processor.
ME: I'll up you a mansion in Malibu and my corporate jet. How about I'll ask Elon for spaceship to get you to the galactic empire.
MY THOUGHTS: I always enjoy a good laugh while dealing with the endless offers I'm getting.
TomDickNHarry
03-28-19, 10:58
When you post do you do it to a specific group, or do it to everyone and rely on them to search for nearby Whispers? I'm in a smaller town but have had absolutely zero interaction to my posts to "Everyone. " Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
03-28-19, 11:35
When you post do you do it to a specific group, or do it to everyone and rely on them to search for nearby Whispers? I'm in a smaller town but have had absolutely zero interaction to my posts to "Everyone. " Thanks.There is a thread for mobile apps in L. A. Maybe those guys can help you as well?
HollywoodGuy
03-29-19, 16:29
Its hard sometimes to get a M&G or a first date on the weekend. Young girls usually have plans, and then there's the traffic. I am still working a NP I started messaging 2 weeks ago. This weekend she says she has to study for a mid-term. I asked her if she met anyone so far. She said she did one M&G but the guy tried to get into her pants a little too fast (or crudely?) IDK. She agreed to my T&C's, so the FC is on the table. I am tempted to do a UTR tonite after work, as my regulars are busy as well.
HollywoodGuy
03-29-19, 16:51
https://www.seeking.com/member/27a106dc-c32d-409b-a02c-6af3d6ffefdb
ME
I pay $100 a date once we decide to start an arrangement (for an hour or more of your time).
Violetgotthesauce
That sounds amazing babe and I'm cool with the 100 to go get coffee or something to get to know each other but I also don't want to lead you on because my allowance for an arrangement is 5-600.
Violetgotthesauce
But I'm well worth it I'm a porn star babe.
ME
Out of my league. But thanks for the info and being polite about it.
https://www.seeking.com/member/27a106dc-c32d-409b-a02c-6af3d6ffefdb
ME
I pay $100 a date once we decide to start an arrangement (for an hour or more of your time).
Violetgotthesauce
That sounds amazing babe and I'm cool with the 100 to go get coffee or something to get to know each other but I also don't want to lead you on because my allowance for an arrangement is 5-600.
Violetgotthesauce
But I'm well worth it I'm a porn star babe.
ME
Out of my league. But thanks for the info and being polite about it.Violet myers is her stage name.
HollywoodGuy
03-30-19, 04:31
Violet myers is her stage name.I wouldn't pay to fuck her. lol. She looked cute in her pics, but then I watched a couple of her vids. Totally not my type. Big floppy tits, hairy pussy, small bbw. Glad she blew me off.
HollywoodGuy
03-30-19, 12:42
https://www.seeking.com/member/8e346ca1-e6a5-4580-b4f1-e95a3e195d5b
Asked for money upfront to prove I was real. lol
CandyMan71
03-30-19, 19:28
About to venture into the bowl. Before I do, I wanted to poll if others have had any luck with SB's hosting at their own place or is the FC setup standard practice?
OcasianBoy
03-30-19, 20:00
About to venture into the bowl. Before I do, I wanted to poll if others have had any luck with SB's hosting at their own place or is the FC setup standard practice?Some will host but that's very rare. Usually you have to host or find a place.
HollywoodGuy
03-30-19, 20:43
Some will host but that's very rare. Usually you have to host or find a place.Unless they are over 30. And even then.
About to venture into the bowl. Before I do, I wanted to poll if others have had any luck with SB's hosting at their own place or is the FC setup standard practice?That's every SD's fantasy, isn't it. To go over to a girl's college dormroom or apartment she shares with a roommate, bareback her silly, and never even have to deal with hotel rooms logistics and expenses.
Unfortunately the reality is not going to be like that unless you recruited her from somewhere other than Seeking.
I agree two of the biggest risks SDs have with SBs is being blackmailed and dealing with a crazy scorned SB when the relationship ends or they feel they've been wronged.
Many escorts have migrated to Seeking . Com so the risks of being robbed or cash and dash associated with escorts is still there. There are examples of being blackmailed by escorts, but it is more common with SBs since they often have more access to your personal info.
The biggest risk for me in the bowl is the crazy psycho SBs. Many of these girls don't understand the competitive disadvantage they are at it the bowl, have never been rejected before and have unrealistic expectations of what they can demand in the bowl.
When I've rejected a hot young girl because I've found a better option they can go crazy and make crazy threats. In their anger, they may not think rationally and could be willing to put themselves at risk if needed to hurt me. A blackmailer is more rational and doesn't want to put themselves at risk and can be reasoned with.I recently broke it off with my one and only SB for this exact reason. Some of you on this thread may remember me posting about this since I was such newb at the SD / SB thing. I ended up with a 20 something model / actress and I could quickly tell that she was going to go down the crazy lane if I wasn't careful. Luckily I only ever gave her a burner number and a false email address and never a full name.
She started to get pissed when I wouldn't return her texts right away (which I didn't see half the time since it was a burner number). After the second time seeing her, I realize she was too pricey and too much drama to deal with and just ghosted her. Realize it may be petty but didn't want to risk getting any closer with her due to her unpredictability. She told me flat out she had blackmailed other folks in film world by getting in touch with spouses.
At this point, my paid subscription to Seeking has lapsed and I'm still getting a bunch of messages, but can't read any of them. Finding that it's frankly easier to monger since that's on demand and you don't have to worry as much about the blackmail (although you never know, eg, Robert Kraft), at least for now. Have some other pans in the fire but no SBs for now, unless she happens to fall in my lap literally.
That's every SD's fantasy, isn't it. To go over to a girl's college dormroom or apartment she shares with a roommate, bareback her silly, and never even have to deal with hotel rooms logistics and expenses.
Unfortunately the reality is not going to be like that unless you recruited her from somewhere other than Seeking.The one SB I had from Seeking (whom I just broke it off with. See other thread) did host at her place. So was lucky in that sense. Which I thought was only fair as she was fairly pricey, so it seemed to me that it was included in the price. I can't host and was just going to use a FC from Dayuse but I was pretty clear from the get go I needed someone to host.
The one SB I had from Seeking (whom I just broke it off with. See other thread) did host at her place. So was lucky in that sense. Which I thought was only fair as she was fairly pricey, so it seemed to me that it was included in the price. I can't host and was just going to use a FC from Dayuse but I was pretty clear from the get go I needed someone to host.I'd never heard of Dayuse, but I just looked at it and it seems like an amazing game-changing tool for the Sugar Bowl. I have turned down so many bitches because they are (1) an hour away from me; (2) don't drive; and (3) can't host. But with Dayuse (if it's for real and works), that opens up a whole new world to me of girls who live out in the boonies.
Has anyone here used Dayuse and have any pointers?
Amazing.
I've shared before my theory that a SB's level of insanity directly correlates with how much text she includes in her profile. Well, behold this completely insane baby.
https://www.seeking.com/member/94a81a6b-e453-46fc-a8b3-415a6c157314
About Me.
DON'T WRITE TO ME YOU'LL BE BLOCKED! UNLESS YOU SHOW FULL COMPREHENSION OF MY PROFILE! "HI, HOW ARE YOU, HI BABE, BABY, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HERE?" IS INSTANT BLOCK! I'm NOT INTERESTED IN PPM, NSA, TO MEET FOR A COFFEE AND SEE IF WE HAVE CONNECTION, ONE NIGHT STANDS, ETC. WHAT I WANT IS CLEARLY STATED IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND I HATE PSYCHOPATHS WITH NO COMPREHENSION AND COMMUNICATION SKILLS, SO DON'T CONTACT ME! *I HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE WILLING TO DATE ME IN REAL LIFE SO IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER OR TO PROVE SERIOUSNESS AND SHOW YOUR COMMITMENT BEFORE ANY MEETING AND INVEST IN ME, DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WRITING TO ME! Pro model here since my teens very fortunate in life to be successful at what I do and have the lifestyle I have 😃 I've been to all the places I always dreamed of and still trying to discover more as life goes on. I'm adventurous and spontaneous and prefer things to flow naturally and genuinely by freewill 😃 I hope to find a man who is interested in investing in me so that I can have someone in life if things go upside down. As for now everything is great and I'm extremely happy but you never know when things can change and if so, I'd rather have someone next to me who can hold my back 😉 The man I want is someone who is willing to invest in me without being needy and expecting things in return, investing by free will and building a genuine connection, that's the type of man I find attractive and will make me want to meet in person when I'm ready and comfortable to do so. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE WILL MEET, ANY OTHER PATHETIC IDEA AND YOU WILL INSTANTLY BE BLOCKED. 😃 I'm a very chill girl who loves summer and beach and stay on my bikinis the whole day 😄 I'm also very rewarding and the ones who are not need or don't expect in return usually get things from me naturally as I will to please those who deserve, not needy, weird, psychos, or the ones who think money can get girls well money can buy prostitutes for sure and that's that and if you think otherwise, you're a fool and I hate fools. I think it's clear what I seek so any message that is on the contrary of my profile will be blocked instantly. I hope to meet the right man but I know the odds here aren't in my favor but I still have hope he might be somewhere and that's why I try. 😗.
Seeking.
I look for a man who wants to provide by free will and is not needy and expecting anything in return, that's the type of man I feel attracted to and want in my life!
CandyMan71
03-31-19, 17:12
I appreciate the feedback. Will see if I can manage to safely get a FC setup.
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 01:03
I recently broke it off with my one and only SB for this exact reason. Some of you on this thread may remember me posting about this since I was such newb at the SD / SB thing. I ended up with a 20 something model / actress and I could quickly tell that she was going to go down the crazy lane if I wasn't careful. Luckily I only ever gave her a burner number and a false email address and never a full name.
She started to get pissed when I wouldn't return her texts right away (which I didn't see half the time since it was a burner number). After the second time seeing her, I realize she was too pricey and too much drama to deal with and just ghosted her. Realize it may be petty but didn't want to risk getting any closer with her due to her unpredictability. She told me flat out she had blackmailed other folks in film world by getting in touch with spouses.
At this point, my paid subscription to Seeking has lapsed and I'm still getting a bunch of messages, but can't read any of them. Finding that it's frankly easier to monger since that's on demand and you don't have to worry as much about the blackmail (although you never know, eg, Robert Kraft), at least for now. Have some other pans in the fire but no SBs for now, unless she happens to fall in my lap literally.Sorry to see you go.
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 01:04
I've shared before my theory that a SB's level of insanity directly correlates with how much text she includes in her profile. Well, behold this completely insane baby.
https://www.seeking.com/member/94a81a6b-e453-46fc-a8b3-415a6c157314I'm a very chill girl (its in her profile. LOL).
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 09:53
25. There are an annoying number of SB profiles with "Platonic" tags and it's impossible to tell without spending valuable time questioning whether the tag is just there to give them plausible deniability if they are ever charged or whether it's genuine. The genuine ones irritate the shit out of me. You want me to pay you a monthly fee to take you to lunch? Are you out of your fucking mind?Platonic = Moronic.
Madaboutmax
04-01-19, 13:57
I wouldn't date this one if she paid me!! LOL.
I've shared before my theory that a SB's level of insanity directly correlates with how much text she includes in her profile. Well, behold this completely insane baby.
https://www.seeking.com/member/94a81a6b-e453-46fc-a8b3-415a6c157314
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 19:49
I wouldn't date this one if she paid me!! LOL.Membership is free for girls for life. So what have they got to lose. My GF watches reality TV, and when I see those aging but trying to look hot not MILFS, I think who are the crazy rich guys supporting these psycho (you fill in the blank). With their money they could have 10's everyday. But such is life.
PriscillaM
04-01-19, 20:13
So I signed up for seeking arrangements and I set up a meet and greet with a black gal. She is a second year at USC majoring in Computational Linguistics (B. A.). I told her that I was new to this and she said she was new to this as well. I said how do we work this. She quoted me $400 for a session which would be agreed to at a meet and greet. She said we would meet at a starbucks that she uses for meetings. I said, wait, you said this was your first time, and she said, oh, I have one other guy who is trying to meet me, so I said, OK, but she said "meeting" and she said, oh, she might have met some other guys, I just left it alone because she is a nonpro.
I asked her if she offered a promotional discount and she said, OK, she can go as low as $250.00 which would be a start rate if I become a regular.
I said "regular" I thought you were a non pro. She said, oh, I heard that guys can be regulars.
Anyhow, I show up at the starbucks and recognized her and texted her, she was with a guy so she texted me to hold off for a few minutes.
He left, he was a white dude in like his 50's and he gave her his card.
We talked and she agreed to go to my place (I had to send her an uber and she used her account, so it was just added to the bill) that very night, except she said she had to leave early for other appointments (weird, because she said she was a nonpro).
So, later that day, she came to my place with a few different types of condoms. She had a nice figure and we were in the FC for at most 25 minutes and she got some texts and had to go.
She was really sweet and said that I was nicer than the other guys on seeking arrangements. That was weird, I thougth she was a non pro.
CummingUndone
04-01-19, 20:31
https://www.seeking.com/member/27a106dc-c32d-409b-a02c-6af3d6ffefdb
ME
I pay $100 a date once we decide to start an arrangement (for an hour or more of your time).
Violetgotthesauce
That sounds amazing babe and I'm cool with the 100 to go get coffee or something to get to know each other but I also don't want to lead you on because my allowance for an arrangement is 5-600.
Violetgotthesauce
But I'm well worth it I'm a porn star babe.
ME
Out of my league. But thanks for the info and being polite about it.Do you think she would have let you go bareback?
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 22:49
I appreciate the feedback. Will see if I can manage to safely get a FC setup.Look for a short stay no-tel or better if you can afford it. Its become my lifeline the last year or so.
HollywoodGuy
04-01-19, 22:54
I'd never heard of Dayuse, but I just looked at it and it seems like an amazing game-changing tool for the Sugar Bowl. I have turned down so many bitches because they are (1) an hour away from me; (2) don't drive; and (3) can't host. But with Dayuse (if it's for real and works), that opens up a whole new world to me of girls who live out in the boonies.
Has anyone here used Dayuse and have any pointers?
Amazing.Never used it. But obviously legit. Just saw the boneventure in DTLA for 109. And you get 6 hours or more. Pretty cool. Still doesn't beat the no-tel 2 hour rate of .4. But if you got the coin seems like a great deal.
I'd never heard of Dayuse, but I just looked at it and it seems like an amazing game-changing tool for the Sugar Bowl. I have turned down so many bitches because they are (1) an hour away from me; (2) don't drive; and (3) can't host. But with Dayuse (if it's for real and works), that opens up a whole new world to me of girls who live out in the boonies.
Has anyone here used Dayuse and have any pointers?
Amazing.There's also HotelsbyDay and other types of hotel apps. Have used both Dayuse and HBD and they are legit.
MidnightDabber
04-02-19, 02:38
I can't go on SA anymore but it was the most active. Any one have any ideas? I didn't even necessarily want to do anything myself but I did want one to help out with uh certain fantasies etc.
HollywoodGuy
04-02-19, 02:41
Going to Palm Desert tomorrow on my clients dime for a couple of days, and I get to bring my SB / GF along for the ride. That's probably about 5 bills comped. Nothing better than getting to fuck my baby on someone else's tab.
HollywoodGuy
04-02-19, 11:46
So I signed up for seeking arrangements and I set up a meet and greet with a black gal. She is a second year at USC majoring in Computational Linguistics (B. A.). I told her that I was new to this and she said she was new to this as well. I said how do we work this. She quoted me $400 for a session which would be agreed to at a meet and greet. She said we would meet at a starbucks that she uses for meetings. I said, wait, you said this was your first time, and she said, oh, I have one other guy who is trying to meet me, so I said, OK, but she said "meeting" and she said, oh, she might have met some other guys, I just left it alone because she is a nonpro.
I asked her if she offered a promotional discount and she said, OK, she can go as low as $250.00 which would be a start rate if I become a regular.
I said "regular" I thought you were a non pro. She said, oh, I heard that guys can be regulars.
Anyhow, I show up at the starbucks and recognized her and texted her, she was with a guy so she texted me to hold off for a few minutes.
He left, he was a white dude in like his 50's and he gave her his card.
We talked and she agreed to go to my place (I had to send her an uber and she used her account, so it was just added to the bill) that very night, except she said she had to leave early for other appointments (weird, because she said she was a nonpro).
So, later that day, she came to my place with a few different types of condoms. She had a nice figure and we were in the FC for at most 25 minutes and she got some texts and had to go.
She was really sweet and said that I was nicer than the other guys on seeking arrangements. That was weird, I thougth she was a non pro.If you keep looking, you will find one. And if the NP is your goal, just walk the moment you see a red flag. Its a numbers game. You will hear that over and over if you keep reading this thread. Every pro starts out as an NP. So some one has to be the first. Right? Just like every LTR starts out as a one night stand.
Once I stopped chasing NP's as my mission in life I turned to a new pursuit. It started out as a financial reality. Suddenly I just didnt have the funds I used to have. So the only way I could stay in the game was to cut my donation to a $ a date. A fair number of the girls I get today are either going to only be worth that, but then there are the ones that routinely get $$ to $$$$ that I talk down to a $. Most of them ditch me pretty fast once it sinks in that it will never go up. But sometimes I get lucky and find a girl that just likes me and becomes a regular.
FarFarAway
04-02-19, 12:47
At this point, my paid subscription to Seeking has lapsed and I'm still getting a bunch of messages, but can't read any of them. Finding that it's frankly easier to monger since that's on demand and you don't have to worry as much about the blackmail (although you never know, eg, Robert Kraft), at least for now. Have some other pans in the fire but no SBs for now, unless she happens to fall in my lap literally.You *can read messages, there is a how-to on the Richmond thread. You just can't send any. If you are lucky, a girl will put her email or phone # in the message. Those tend to be more UTR or outright pros, though.
TomDickNHarry
04-02-19, 19:11
Agree with most.
Let me add what's going on in my area:
31. "Buy a few pics and videos until we can meet," or "I want to meet but like to start out online until I'm comfortable. " Translation, they have no intention of meeting but dangling a carrot to you about that possibility to get you to buy something you can get for free on the internet. Why in the hell would they ever meet in person when they can find retards to send them money for a pic.
21. There are a huge number of very short girls on SA. I can't believe how many 4'11" and under chicks are listed. I've seen 4'6" for fuck's sake. Maybe it's because I'm searching a lot of Asians but, Lordy. - AWESOME. RIGHT?
22. There is a rising tide of tranny listings and two-girls-at-once listings on SA. - AGREED.
23. There is a small percentage of girls whose profiles keep disappearing and re-appearing under different names with the same photos and profile info. Either they are scammers and want to avoid the blocks which they are getting or they're getting shut down for breaking the rules and need to come back in under a different name. - I NEVER SEEM TO RUN INTO THIS.
24. When a girl posts a photo of herself in a bathroom mirror and there is an open toilet in the shot, she is completely self-obsessed. She literally doesn't notice that she's featuring a shit bucket in her photo because she only sees herself. - MAYBE.
25. There are an annoying number of SB profiles with "Platonic" tags and it's impossible to tell without spending valuable time questioning whether the tag is just there to give them plausible deniability if they are ever charged or whether it's genuine. The genuine ones irritate the shit out of me. You want me to pay you a monthly fee to take you to lunch? Are you out of your fucking mind? - HAVING SPOKEN TO A FEW, MY ADVICE IS JUST HIDE THEIR PROFILES.
26. There is a small but annoying number of accounts who DM you from a distant location and then try to sell you nude photos. Who would fall for that? - ONCE IN A GREAT WHILE I GET THIS.
27. There is a Venmo scam where an account with pix of a hot-looking local girl quickly agrees to see you and claims to be pretty close to you. She says that she needs a token of good will so please Venmo her a few dollars for gas money. She doesn't specify how much, so it seems like a harmless ask, but the "girl" rakes in $5-20 per sucker and then disappears. It's a volume business for the guy running the scam. - EVERYONES ENTITLED TO MAKE A LIVING.
28. If a chick only has one profile pic and it doesn't show her face, she is either surprisingly ugly or surprisingly pretty. The ugly ones do it for obvious reasons. The pretty ones do it because they are genuinely afraid of being recognized and are trying to keep what they're doing on the DL. - I WON'T MESSAGE A GIRL WITH NO FACE PIC IN HER PROFILE (AND A GOOD BODY SHOT).
29. If a chick's profile has a picture of her doing the splits, it's a very good sign. - IF YOU LIKE CHEERLEADERS OR BALLERINA'S
30. An annoyingly large number of accounts show L. A. As the location of the SB when they actually live somewhere else. They claim to want to move to L. A. Or they just moved away from L. A. , but what they're really trying to do is get you to fly them to L. A. And they sucker you in with the L. A. Tag. I instantly block anyone who pulls this shit. - VERY COMMON.
PussyPumper
04-04-19, 02:26
Any way to identify or seek out girls who are open to or willing to try anal?
I have only come across one girl open to this in 3 years. I must be doing something wrong!
PussyPumper
04-04-19, 02:40
My only concern with sugar babes is that they are not true professionals. This might be good until things work well, but I wonder whether the lack of professionalism might come and bit you in the ass once the relationship is over, or if the sugar babe is not happy about the treatment you are giving her. Any experience with sugar babes blackmailing you after the relationship is over? Or calling you to get more money or telling you "I'll spill the beans with your wife or girlfriend"?I don't worry about that, as I never use my real name, phone no. Or email.
I found this exchange to be very funny.
Her user name is "givewithoutexpecting" which should have been a clue.
Her: Hi it's givewithoutexpecting. I require compensation first meet dinner and drinks.
Me: compensation for dinner and drinks only?
Just look at the number of guys on this forum that write, over and over again, how SB's aren't hookers and you will begin to understand how they develop that extreme degree of GPS.
A2
Any way to identify or seek out girls who are open to or willing to try anal?
I have only come across one girl open to this in 3 years. I must be doing something wrong!In my experience a lot of girls will try it after you see them a couple of times.
Any way to identify or seek out girls who are open to or willing to try anal?
I have only come across one girl open to this in 3 years. I must be doing something wrong!I was with one of my SB's last weekend and she was in bed in prone doggy position and I started thumbing around her asshole and she suddenly snapped, "Not the Butthole! Not the Butthole! Not the Butthole!" and she was pretty loud. And the room I was in was directly above my kid's nanny's room -- she's 65 and from Central America and is a VERY light sleeper. Hahahaha.
HollywoodGuy
04-05-19, 13:34
Any way to identify or seek out girls who are open to or willing to try anal?
I have only come across one girl open to this in 3 years. I must be doing something wrong!Buy her a butt plug and let her practice at home privately first.
PussyPumper
04-05-19, 18:02
Buy her a butt plug and let her practice at home privately first.Probably the way to go. But when I did go to an "adult store" with this in mind, the bum plug selection seemed aimed at those with huge holes, not beginners!
PussyPumper
04-05-19, 18:06
I was with one of my SB's last weekend and she was in bed in prone doggy position and I started thumbing around her asshole and she suddenly snapped, "Not the Butthole! Not the Butthole! Not the Butthole!" and she was pretty loud. And the room I was in was directly above my kid's nanny's room -- she's 65 and from Central America and is a VERY light sleeper. Hahahaha.You manage to bone your SB at home? Lucky guy.
As it happens, I spent a happy morning with my thumb stuck in the bum of my DD-equipped Swedish-American former SB regular, who was home for spring break and hit me up. Life is good, but still "no" to putting my equipment in in place of my thumb.
PussyPumper
04-05-19, 18:10
In my experience a lot of girls will try it after you see them a couple of times.After they see me, they always say "Your dick is too big!
Happened again this morning, as I had my thumb in her bum, and asked if I could swap in my equipment instead.
HollywoodGuy
04-05-19, 20:06
After they see me, they always say "Your dick is too big!
Happened again this morning, as I had my thumb in her bum, and asked if I could swap in my equipment instead.I used to have a girl that told me she liked guys with small dicks so she could do anal. Bought my girl a cute butt plug. You can get them on amazon for 12 dollars. All glass, pink glass, with sort of a door knob handle. Made by icicles. Good starter toy. Easy to google
Anyone have issues where SA will delete you acct than have to open another one.
Anyone have issues where SA will delete you acct than have to open another one.Why would they delete your account if you're paying them $90 a month? Maybe you violated some rule or got reported for rule-breaking by some SB's.
PussyPumper
04-05-19, 23:53
Anyone have issues where SA will delete you acct than have to open another one.I think they may have stopped one account of mine, and I have created several accounts over the years for my own purposes. I have not had any problems doing this. Of course:
- I never, ever sign in from my home or work IP. At first I used Tor, now that they don't allow that I use a VPN.
- I never use my real name or address when paying.
- I never post any photos of myself on SA. I don't know if it is true, but I once read they use AI to identify people in photos.
As to why they may ban you, they automatically monitor PMs for banned terms, such as "PPM". It is not just complaints from disgruntled SBs.
HollywoodGuy
04-06-19, 02:37
I have never lost an account. Just say "I pay (whatever amount) a date once we decide to start an arrangement (for an hour or more of your time).
31. $450 will close deals with 95% of SB's; $500 will close 98% of them; the 99th percentile requires $600-800 and the final 1% can be anywhere from $1 K to $2,500 PER MEET. I had a long wrangle with a SB named Lilbarbie who bottom-lined me at $5 K for 2 meetings a month. Her final defense of this outlandish price? "I'm not a prostitute. " Well, probably not at those prices.
32. Latinas, what's up with the eyebrows? A couple of giant 2 D caterpillars on your forehead are a massive distraction and make you look like a Turkish cab driver.
33. The phrases "serious men only" and "don't waste my time" in a SB profile are the surest signs of a pro.
34. I'm seeing a rising trend of SB's using a single profile pic that barely shows anything. The photo either: (a) doesn't show a face, (b) is intentionally blurry, or (c) is shot from such a long distance that no amount of zooming can help you see the girl. I assume that this is a result of nave SB's telling each other that they can maintain their anonymity and guys will take the time and effort to get to know them before politely requesting a photo and that the beautiful dance of a great guy coming into their lives will commence. I, of course, instantly hide their profiles. If a girl has any problems at all letting the general SD population see a clear photo of her face and body, then she's either not cute or she ain't going to fuck easily. But this is one of the most annoying trends that I'm seeing nowadays.
35. I'm shocked by how many college girls claim to be studying STEM fields. I can't think of a single reason to explain this phenomenon. There are so many of them listing biophysics, astronomy, engineering or molecular biology as their major. Where are the social science babies? Why are so many SB's studying tech?
36. The most horrifying trend that I see is the increasing frequency of big tattoos on the solar plexus, right underneath and sometimes coming up between the breasts. This is a sure-fire way to make an otherwise sexy girl almost unfuckable. See Liya Silver, the porn star, as an example. She has the sexiest body in the world, but she asked a tattooist to take a huge black shit on her chest and utterly ruined the canvas.
37. I got stung for the first time by a scam. I got lured to a meet in Westwood and, when I arrived at the door of the apartment building, the person running the scam texted me and insisted that I Venmo $400 before letting me into the building. I knew instantly what was happening, so I asked the person to just come down to the lobby and wave to me through the locked glass lobby entrance door, but the person obviously wasn't there. He was probably in the Ukraine. The profile name was Myaaaaaa22 or some other number at the end I reported him, but please avoid if see you a PR goddess who's quick to invite you over.
38. I started using Dayuse.com and it's a godsend. I can now book a meeting with a SB who lives an hour away who can't host and has no car. I just book a room at a major hotel for 4-8 hours for like 50-65% off the rack rate. I got a $329 hotel room for $129 and had the room from 12-7 pm. This tool extends your geographical range like no other.
39. I ran across my first chubby girl who lied about her weight. Her pix showed a girl 5'4" and 120 lbs, but, in person, this chick was significantly heavier. We went for coffee and this girl talked so fucking dirty to me. Life must be hard on a site with so many skinny and athletic chicks. She was pretty and not too fat to date in a regular context, but she wasn't somebody worth paying to fuck. She texted me afterward to say that she was thinking about my cock all the way down her throat. LOL.
40. I had my first experience of a SB begging off a meeting because she was menstruating. She said, "Daddy, I can't meet for a few days because I'm on my period. " I replied, "Is your mouth bleeding, too?" I keep forgetting that they're human!
I found this exchange to be very funny.
Her user name is "givewithoutexpecting" which should have been a clue.
Her: Hi it's givewithoutexpecting. I require compensation first meet dinner and drinks.
Me: compensation for dinner and drinks only?
Just look at the number of guys on this forum that write, over and over again, how SB's aren't hookers and you will begin to understand how they develop that extreme degree of GPS.
A2Haha, I was curious, so I texted her. 200 per platonic date. . . Then she texted me her pics. . . Wouldn't do it if she paid me.
HollywoodGuy
04-07-19, 23:36
31. $450 will close deals with 95% of SB's; $500 will close 98% of them; the 99th percentile requires $600-800 and the final 1% can be anywhere from $1 K to $2,500 PER MEET. I had a long wrangle with a SB named Lilbarbie who bottom-lined me at $5 K for 2 meetings a month. Her final defense of this outlandish price? "I'm not a prostitute. " Well, probably not at those prices.
32. Latinas, what's up with the eyebrows? A couple of giant 2 D caterpillars on your forehead are a massive distraction and make you look like a Turkish cab driver.
33. The phrases "serious men only" and "don't waste my time" in a SB profile are the surest signs of a pro.
34. I'm seeing a rising trend of SB's using a single profile pic that barely shows anything. The photo either: (a) doesn't show a face, (b) is intentionally blurry, or (c) is shot from such a long distance that no amount of zooming can help you see the girl. I assume that this is a result of nave SB's telling each other that they can maintain their anonymity and guys will take the time and effort to get to know them before politely requesting a photo and that the beautiful dance of a great guy coming into their lives will commence. I, of course, instantly hide their profiles. If a girl has any problems at all letting the general SD population see a clear photo of her face and body, then she's either not cute or she ain't going to fuck easily. But this is one of the most annoying trends that I'm seeing nowadays.
35. I'm shocked by how many college girls claim to be studying STEM fields. I can't think of a single reason to explain this phenomenon. There are so many of them listing biophysics, astronomy, engineering or molecular biology as their major. Where are the social science babies? Why are so many SB's studying tech?
36. The most horrifying trend that I see is the increasing frequency of big tattoos on the solar plexus, right underneath and sometimes coming up between the breasts. This is a sure-fire way to make an otherwise sexy girl almost unfuckable. See Liya Silver, the porn star, as an example. She has the sexiest body in the world, but she asked a tattooist to take a huge black shit on her chest and utterly ruined the canvas.
37. I got stung for the first time by a scam. I got lured to a meet in Westwood and, when I arrived at the door of the apartment building, the person running the scam texted me and insisted that I Venmo $400 before letting me into the building. I knew instantly what was happening, so I asked the person to just come down to the lobby and wave to me through the locked glass lobby entrance door, but the person obviously wasn't there. He was probably in the Ukraine. The profile name was Myaaaaaa22 or some other number at the end I reported him, but please avoid if see you a PR goddess who's quick to invite you over.
38. I started using Dayuse.com and it's a godsend. I can now book a meeting with a SB who lives an hour away who can't host and has no car. I just book a room at a major hotel for 4-8 hours for like 50-65% off the rack rate. I got a $329 hotel room for $129 and had the room from 12-7 pm. This tool extends your geographical range like no other.
39. I ran across my first chubby girl who lied about her weight. Her pix showed a girl 5'4" and 120 lbs, but, in person, this chick was significantly heavier. We went for coffee and this girl talked so fucking dirty to me. Life must be hard on a site with so many skinny and athletic chicks. She was pretty and not too fat to date in a regular context, but she wasn't somebody worth paying to fuck. She texted me afterward to say that she was thinking about my cock all the way down her throat. LOL.
40. I had my first experience of a SB begging off a meeting because she was menstruating. She said, "Daddy, I can't meet for a few days because I'm on my period. " I replied, "Is your mouth bleeding, too?" I keep forgetting that they're human!Meetings a month. Her final defense of this outlandish price? "I'm not a prostitute. " Well, probably not at those prices. - AGREED, BUT I WILL ADD THAT YOU CAN GET 10%-20% FOR $ AND 50% FOR $$.
32. Latinas, what's up with the eyebrows? A couple of giant 2 D caterpillars on your forehead are a massive distraction and make you look like a Turkish cab driver. - I KINDA LIKE THAT, DEPENDS ON THE GIRL.
33. The phrases "serious men only" and "don't waste my time" in a SB profile are the surest signs of a pro. - A SURE SIGN THAT THEY WANT AT LEAST $$ ANYWAY.
34. I'm seeing a rising trend of SB's using a single profile pic that barely shows anything. The photo either: (a) doesn't show a face, (b) is intentionally blurry, or (c) is shot from such a long distance that no amount of zooming can help you see the girl. I assume that this is a result of nave SB's telling each other that they can maintain their anonymity and guys will take the time and effort to get to know them before politely requesting a photo and that the beautiful dance of a great guy coming into their lives will commence. I, of course, instantly hide their profiles. If a girl has any problems at all letting the general SD population see a clear photo of her face and body, then she's either not cute or she ain't going to fuck easily. But this is one of the most annoying trends that I'm seeing nowadays. - ANNOYING? - LIKE YOU SAY, JUST HIDE THEM.
35. I'm shocked by how many college girls claim to be studying STEM fields. I can't think of a single reason to explain this phenomenon. There are so many of them listing biophysics, astronomy, engineering or molecular biology as their major. Where are the social science babies? Why are so many SB's studying tech? - ITS TRENDY.
36. The most horrifying trend that I see is the increasing frequency of big tattoos on the solar plexus, right underneath and sometimes coming up between the breasts. This is a sure-fire way to make an otherwise sexy girl almost unfuckable. See Liya Silver, the porn star, as an example. She has the sexiest body in the world, but she asked a tattooist to take a huge black shit on her chest and utterly ruined the canvas. - AGREED. DISGUSTING.
37. I got stung for the first time by a scam. I got lured to a meet in Westwood and, when I arrived at the door of the apartment building, the person running the scam texted me and insisted that I Venmo $400 before letting me into the building. I knew instantly what was happening, so I asked the person to just come down to the lobby and wave to me through the locked glass lobby entrance door, but the person obviously wasn't there. He was probably in the Ukraine. The profile name was Myaaaaaa22 or some other number at the end I reported him, but please avoid if see you a PR goddess who's quick to invite you over. - IT HAPPENS.
38. I started using Dayuse.com and it's a godsend. I can now book a meeting with a SB who lives an hour away who can't host and has no car. I just book a room at a major hotel for 4-8 hours for like 50-65% off the rack rate. I got a $329 hotel room for $129 and had the room from 12-7 pm. This tool extends your geographical range like no other. - VERY HELPFUL.
39. I ran across my first chubby girl who lied about her weight. Her pix showed a girl 5'4" and 120 lbs, but, in person, this chick was significantly heavier. We went for coffee and this girl talked so fucking dirty to me. Life must be hard on a site with so many skinny and athletic chicks. She was pretty and not too fat to date in a regular context, but she wasn't somebody worth paying to fuck. She texted me afterward to say that she was thinking about my cock all the way down her throat. LOL. - BEST ORAL I EVER HAD WAS FROM A BBW. TOP 3 FOR SURE.
40. I had my first experience of a SB begging off a meeting because she was menstruating. She said, "Daddy, I can't meet for a few days because I'm on my period. " I replied, "Is your mouth bleeding, too?" I keep forgetting that they're human! - THE JOY OF WOMANHOOD.
PussyPumper
04-09-19, 16:38
I live is SD, which is sort of quiet compared with LA. Even so, I managed to bang two very nice local porn stars / starlets who were on SA over the last 18 months.
- Christy Love. Met her just a month or two after she started her porn career. Had been a cam girl for several years.
- Girl from GDP E103 movie. Maybe the hottest fuck I ever had. Never got to have the promised threesome with her hubby though!
As all you rollers live in Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc. I wonder how many porn stars are on SA in LA? Easy to meet?
39. I ran across my first chubby girl who lied about her weight. Her pix showed a girl 5'4" and 120 lbs, but, in person, this chick was significantly heavier. We went for coffee and this girl talked so fucking dirty to me. Life must be hard on a site with so many skinny and athletic chicks. She was pretty and not too fat to date in a regular context, but she wasn't somebody worth paying to fuck. She texted me afterward to say that she was thinking about my cock all the way down her throat. LOL. - BEST ORAL I EVER HAD WAS FROM A BBW. TOP 3 FOR SURE.
Bigger women are in my experience are excellent at oral.
HollywoodGuy
04-10-19, 15:07
I live is SD, which is sort of quiet compared with LA. Even so, I managed to bang two very nice local porn stars / starlets who were on SA over the last 18 months.
- Christy Love. Met her just a month or two after she started her porn career. Had been a cam girl for several years.
- Girl from GDP E103 movie. Maybe the hottest fuck I ever had. Never got to have the promised threesome with her hubby though!
As all you rollers live in Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc. I wonder how many porn stars are on SA in LA? Easy to meet?Just use the search function on seeking. Most of them are very proud of their accomplishments. A bit on the pricey side. Banged one porn star, skinny black girl for $. Saw her like 8 times before she ghosted me. She never mentioned it though. Just found out by accident.
PussyPumper
04-10-19, 17:21
Just use the search function on seeking. Most of them are very proud of their accomplishments. A bit on the pricey side. Banged one porn star, skinny black girl for $. Saw her like 8 times before she ghosted me. She never mentioned it though. Just found out by accident.That was not my experience. A search on SA would not have revealed that either San Diego hottie was in porn.
- I discovered CL's porn identity because her SA photos looked professional, so I went looking. That and her unique looks. But on SA her identity was simply that of a "married but looking" hottie. In fact she was married at the time.
- Similarly the GDP girl posted as part of a couple looking for a threesum. No mention of porn. I discovered that as a by product when I got to know their real identities.
As for pricey, I got to see both for my regular level of assistance, which is 3 to 4 times yours.
Anyway, probably many more porn stars on SA than you might think!
HollywoodGuy
04-10-19, 22:04
That was not my experience. A search on SA would not have revealed that either San Diego hottie was in porn.
- I discovered CL's porn identity because her SA photos looked professional, so I went looking. That and her unique looks. But on SA her identity was simply that of a "married but looking" hottie. In fact she was married at the time.
- Similarly the GDP girl posted as part of a couple looking for a threesum. No mention of porn. I discovered that as a by product when I got to know their real identities.
As for pricey, I got to see both for my regular level of assistance, which is 3 to 4 times yours.
Anyway, probably many more porn stars on SA than you might think!I have been hit up a few times. If I see any more I will post them here.
HollywoodGuy
04-12-19, 04:39
OMG.
Still in the chatting stage.
https://www.seeking.com/member/fc91b974-cc23-4e5f-92c1-e21bdf95c780
OMG.
Still in the chatting stage.
https://www.seeking.com/member/fc91b974-cc23-4e5f-92c1-e21bdf95c780I'm sensing implants under that dress.
OMG.
Still in the chatting stage.
https://www.seeking.com/member/fc91b974-cc23-4e5f-92c1-e21bdf95c780Wow, HG, I'm rooting for you on this one. I am not into AA's in general, but this one gave me a rise. Please hit it and give us a full report.
HollywoodGuy
04-13-19, 11:55
I'm sensing implants under that dress.Looks that way. But she is only 18. Who knows, who cares.
PussyPumper
04-13-19, 12:03
Looks that way. But she is only 18. Who knows, who cares.Looks older than 18 to me. Being taken for a ride is why you might care. Though with your professional rates, that is hardly possible!
HollywoodGuy
04-13-19, 12:47
I think I may have had a "christophe" moment. I will now relate the experience. First off, I got into a fight with my SB/GF a few days ago. The same thing all couples fight about (sex & money). I'm not getting enough sex and she is not getting enough money. So two nites ago I started hitting seeking with some revenge sex in mind. Due to being logged on for quite a while the usual assortment of girls I would never be interested in started to favorite me and/or request my private pics. I normally just hide these girls and move on.
But... one late 30's WHITE girl sends me this message. "I need to be taught lots of things and disciplined when I'm bad". OK, you got my attention. Right? So I message her back and quickly ask if she is GPS. She laughs and says she doesn't want money and that she just wants to suck my dick. She messages me her cel number. We start txting and she is begging for me to come over or to allow her to drive to me. As tempted as I was, it was 1 am Thursday night so I reluctantly declined.
The following day I make plans to go see her. Turns out she lives in an upscale westside neighborhood. During the day she txts me all kinds of submissive type stuff and has me convinced she is for real. I somewhat skeptically prepare myself for the date and with my radar up just in case. Anything that's TGTBT usually is and I was not going to be caught with my pants down (no pun intended).
So I pack my bag (rope, cuffs, dildos, etc... just in case). But when I pull up to her house it is in such a good area that my apprehension starts to slip away. I park and walk up to her door and I am greeted by a petite BBW who isn't half bad. Doable, but not a pic or profile link I am willing to post. (so please don't ask). After walking in and going straight to the designated FC (her bedroom) we are immediately hands on. Within 5 minutes her tongue is up my ass. And then the "christophe" moment kicks into gear.
For the next 45 minutes I am vigorously face fucking this submissive princess in a variety of positions. I had her in gag mode many multiple times without her ever pushing back even once. I fucked her face hard, fast and deep. I couldn't really see myself fucking her cooch as she was a BBW, so I gave her the magic wand to satisfy herself while I continued to pump away. After cumming I slowly started getting dressed to make a quick exit. She got a little concerned and asked if I was leaving. I told her I was just cold and needed to get dressed.
She asked if I would cuddle with her for a few minutes and I agreed. After about 10 minutes she starts grabbing at junior, and asks if we can do it again. Somehow I sprang to life. Kinda rare as I am a one and done kinda guy (at least for the next few hours). So I face fuck her again for another 20 minutes. At some point I decided to finger her during the deed. She was fairly soaked so I started to insert more fingers and then pushing as hard as I could my entire fist. There was no resistance on her part. She was down.
In the end I pulled out and jerked my last few squirts onto her fully extended tongue, with her swallowing and mmm, mmming it all the way down. Kinda like how you react to eating your favorite desert in a fancy restaurant. I will be repeating at her request (sugar free). She said a few times a week would be nice... lol. So I packed my bag and detoured down Mulholland to take in last nites crystal clear view. Stopped for a double single and chocolate shake in universal city, then went home and crashed hard.
HollywoodGuy
04-13-19, 15:26
So after posting my last adventure (about 3 hours ago) (and feeling a little smug about it), I did what every guy does when he gets into a fight with his GF (I txted my x ATF). We stay in touch from time to time, and she promises to come see me and then never does. NBD. But today she asks what I am doing and I tell her not much. She says if I uber her over rn she will give me a freebie except for the cost of the RT uber. (0.5 to be exact).
So hey why not. I was a little worried about being "up" for it after last nites romp, but she knows what I like so what the heck. So she ubers over and we have our usual above average hour of fucking (her cumming about 10 times, me once). I was flagging from time to time, but she sucked me back to firmness when needed. So two days. Two girls. No sugar. (cept for the uber).
So after posting my last adventure (about 3 hours ago) (and feeling a little smug about it), I did what every guy does when he gets into a fight with his GF (I txted my x ATF). We stay in touch from time to time, and she promises to come see me and then never does. NBD. But today she asks what I am doing and I tell her not much. She says if I uber her over rn she will give me a freebie except for the cost of the RT uber. (0.5 to be exact).
So hey why not. I was a little worried about being "up" for it after last nites romp, but she knows what I like so what the heck. So she ubers over and we have our usual above average hour of fucking (her cumming about 10 times, me once). I was flagging from time to time, but she sucked me back to firmness when needed. So two days. Two girls. No sugar. (cept for the uber).Everyone, (including myself) had a weird ass week with fights with SO or such. Something's was going on.
Taylor Taste
04-13-19, 21:55
Everyone, (including myself) had a weird ass week with fights with SO or such. Something's was going on.Beautiful. Going to storm tomorrow.
HollywoodGuy
04-13-19, 23:12
My mind races faster than my body. Did an M&G this afternoon. Nothing special. Then scheduled another one for later tonite. Just canceled it due to being old (and tired). lol. And speaking of SO's, I am gonna stay in tonite with mine.
I have one willing to go all the way in LBC. The other one we will meet the same day looks like she will be willing as well. So I need recommendations for hotels or other places where I can do the deed.
HollywoodGuy
04-14-19, 13:33
I have one willing to go all the way in LBC. The other one we will meet the same day looks like she will be willing as well. So I need recommendations for hotels or other places where I can do the deed.Try https://www.dayuse.com/ or just get a cheap room for .5 in LB.
Heading up to Portland, so I have been chatting with the SB's from the great northwest. Lots of possibilities but there isn't even a SB thread for Portland. Wondering if anyone has dipped into the bowl up there. I'll let you know if anything of interest happens.
HollywoodGuy
04-15-19, 16:42
Made up with my SB / GF yesterday, and consummated it with a hot car date in a local dark alley. I told her about my face fucking experience over the weekend and that got her motivated to give me some good oral. Better than her usual. So all is well.
31. $450 will close deals with 95% of SB's; $500 will close 98% of them; the 99th percentile requires $600-800 and the final 1% can be anywhere from $1 K to $2,500 PER MEET. I had a long wrangle with a SB named Lilbarbie who bottom-lined me at $5 K for 2 meetings a month. Her final defense of this outlandish price? "I'm not a prostitute. " Well, probably not at those prices.!How about $100, $150, $200?
HollywoodGuy
04-15-19, 22:01
How about $100, $150, $200?Sounds about right. The day I can pay $$ a date, OMG, that's some mighty fine looking pussy.
RobertVince12
04-16-19, 02:51
Basically spent 5 days on SA while I had the free time and boy, do I wish I got involved the past few years. I basically created a profile easy enough and pay the lease amount for full access. While I spent a couple hours trolling around I had solid responses and uninitiated contact constantly. Managed to get a sweet college chick in Northridge's digits and saw her two nights later for 2 bones at her place. Great BBBJ and cim. God I wish I could get back into the hobby full time. Don't have any pics from her handle was SomaliPrincess.
How about $100, $150, $200?I've never paid less than $260 (and that was today). I have no idea what $100 pussy looks or smells like and I truly do not want to know. I migrated to SA from the Kgirl scene, which was $260-300 plus tip. I range generally from $300-500. Above that level, the quality improvement isn't worth it to me and I feel a nosebleed coming at $450, anyway.
Sounds about right. The day I can pay $$ a date, OMG, that's some mighty fine looking pussy.If finances are tight, you should cut down on quantity and scale up in quality. If you think $200 is good-looking pussy, try $400 pussy. It's worth the stretch.
HollywoodGuy
04-16-19, 11:49
Heading up to Portland, so I have been chatting with the SB's from the great northwest. Lots of possibilities but there isn't even a SB thread for Portland. Wondering if anyone has dipped into the bowl up there. I'll let you know if anything of interest happens.Keep in mind that their cost of living is about half of what it is here, and good luck.
HollywoodGuy
04-16-19, 13:12
Basically spent 5 days on SA while I had the free time and boy, do I wish I got involved the past few years. I basically created a profile easy enough and pay the lease amount for full access. While I spent a couple hours trolling around I had solid responses and uninitiated contact constantly. Managed to get a sweet college chick in Northridge's digits and saw her two nights later for 2 bones at her place. Great BBBJ and cim. God I wish I could get back into the hobby full time. Don't have any pics from her handle was SomaliPrincess.https://www.seeking.com/member/629909c6-93b5-434c-a9f9-48835e4f6dbf
Please tell me it was this one
HollywoodGuy
04-16-19, 13:21
If finances are tight, you should cut down on quantity and scale up in quality. If you think $200 is good-looking pussy, try $400 pussy. It's worth the stretch.I can't really go more than a couple days without pussy or I start acting kinda squirly. As far as the price, there are enough girls on seeking to hit them up for half or less of their normal rate. I have never met any girl that wouldn't go all out for $$$$ (except the very very few) for any guy. And I used to pay any amount to get what I wanted. But there is definitely a greater thrill in paying less for something you know is worth more. Kinda like bidding on ebay for a nice collectible and getting it for way less, just because. Or searching out that gem of a restaurant that's off the beaten path that just kills the competition for less.
The truth is, when my fortunes go up, so will my offers. But I have had multiple model quality girls for a $. Do I have to work for it? Well yeah, but its upped my game considerably because of it. So when i do go back in at a higher rate I will still get more bang for my buck. Just my 2 cents.
Sounds about right. The day I can pay $$ a date, OMG, that's some mighty fine looking pussy.What percentage will do 100 in LA? In Vegas I find 120-140 is the sweet spot. A good one at 80 is a gem. A really good one at 200 sometimes.
If finances are tight, you should cut down on quantity and scale up in quality. If you think $200 is good-looking pussy, try $400 pussy. It's worth the stretch.That doesn't always translate that well but $400 definitely ups the quality and performance if you pay attention. But there is nothing like getting a hot stripper for $100 that tears you up. Just few and far between and never let them go.
Luking For
04-16-19, 19:42
https://www.seeking.com/member/682d81b6-a779-4b85-a78c-3994b7613e4e
HollywoodGuy
04-17-19, 10:59
What percentage will do 100 in LA? In Vegas I find 120-140 is the sweet spot. A good one at 80 is a gem. A really good one at 200 sometimes.Using very low numbers. Let's say only 10% or less go for a $. If you hit up 40-60 girls a month, that's about 4 that would agree. Most guys are not going to test drive 52 new girls a year. I think L. A. May be unique in that there are a shit load of new girls signing up daily. Other areas with far less girls most likely won't hit these metrics. Also in my case a lot of girls don't even open my message (mostly due to my age, I think)
I am sure I got 2-3 girls a week to agree when I was trying harder. And that 10% was more like 20%. Of course I don't hit up obvious $$$ and up girls as a rule. But at $$ it's pretty much like shooting fish in a barrel. But also I go for the younger girls, non-white, not 10's, average age 20. I always lean towards good bodies lower in looks as opposed to the reverse. I am sure a lot of older girls (over 30) average looks would be grateful just for a nice date.
The funny thing about taking girls on a nice date, is that it can cost the same or more as just paying a girl to go straight to the FC without the wining and dining.
Luking For
04-17-19, 12:00
https://www.seeking.com/member/682d81b6-a779-4b85-a78c-3994b7613e4eI know some of you were talking about if girls can host or not. This girl is little far for me but she claimed that she has her own apartment and looking for monthly arrangements.
PussyPumper
04-17-19, 15:44
Also in my case a lot of girls don't even open my message (mostly due to my age, I think)
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I am sure a lot of older girls (over 30) average looks would be grateful just for a nice date.
- Can you indicate your age (roughly)? The better to understand the HG route to success.
- My experience is that the older women invariably want more, not less. They want more money, more commitment, as they tend to have larger needs, as compared with a young student.
BigBear818
04-17-19, 16:24
https://www.seeking.com/member/629909c6-93b5-434c-a9f9-48835e4f6dbf
Please tell me it was this oneShe's a hot East African with model features. I wouldn't mind sticking my bald tip pen into her ink.
Using very low numbers. Let's say only 10% or less go for a $. If you hit up 40-60 girls a month, that's about 4 that would agree. Most guys are not going to test drive 52 new girls a year. I think L. A. May be unique in that there are a shit load of new girls signing up daily. Other areas with far less girls most likely won't hit these metrics. Also in my case a lot of girls don't even open my message (mostly due to my age, I think)
I am sure I got 2-3 girls a week to agree when I was trying harder. And that 10% was more like 20%. Of course I don't hit up obvious $$$ and up girls as a rule. But at $$ it's pretty much like shooting fish in a barrel. But also I go for the younger girls, non-white, not 10's, average age 20. I always lean towards good bodies lower in looks as opposed to the reverse. I am sure a lot of older girls (over 30) average looks would be grateful just for a nice date.
The funny thing about taking girls on a nice date, is that it can cost the same or more as just paying a girl to go straight to the FC without the wining and dining.True, but if you do click and you have done this the quality when you get her to the FC will probably be better. It all depends on what you are looking for and how long you want to keep her in your circle.
HollywoodGuy
04-18-19, 01:16
- Can you indicate your age (roughly)? The better to understand the HG route to success.
- My experience is that the older women invariably want more, not less. They want more money, more commitment, as they tend to have larger needs, as compared with a young student.I am Over 60.
HollywoodGuy
04-18-19, 01:18
- Can you indicate your age (roughly)? The better to understand the HG route to success.
- My experience is that the older women invariably want more, not less. They want more money, more commitment, as they tend to have larger needs, as compared with a young student.I am talking about the average looking ones, not the true MILF's.
HollywoodGuy
04-19-19, 04:33
Got into another fight with my SB. I always say when the honeymoon is over. Its time to move on. These are not normal relationships. i am in it for the high. If I want drama, I'll get remarried or get a normal/civi GF. These deals are all about self-centeredness. Anything less would be a compromise, the very definition of a so-called real relationship.
Got into another fight with my SB. I always say when the honeymoon is over. Its time to move on. These are not normal relationships. i am in it for the high. If I want drama, I'll get remarried or get a normal/civi GF. These deals are all about self-centeredness. Anything less would be a compromise, the very definition of a so-called real relationship.When it's time, it's TIME. Godspeed HGuy.
Got into another fight with my SB. I always say when the honeymoon is over. Its time to move on. These are not normal relationships. i am in it for the high. If I want drama, I'll get remarried or get a normal/civi GF. These deals are all about self-centeredness. Anything less would be a compromise, the very definition of a so-called real relationship.I am sure you will land on your feet, HG, and with your dick inside a new hottie, and soon.
HollywoodGuy
04-20-19, 11:17
I am sure you will land on your feet, HG, and with your dick inside a new hottie, and soon.Maybe I'll go visit the face fucking girl today. And I have a couple of new UTR's on the bench. Just not super motivated. And why is it still so fucking cold out? Spent the last couple of days listening to rich people talk about their money. Maybe if they drop a few sheckels into my account I'll feel differently
HollywoodGuy
04-20-19, 21:40
The face fucking girl actually asked me for an allowance to see her today. How dare she, as if my total domination of her mouth wasn't enough. lol.. Anyway I decided to search the under served, the under appreciated, the girls that are a bit shy and not so into themselves. The girl next door types. Let's see what happens.
HollywoodGuy
04-20-19, 22:38
GND # 1. It's Saturday night and she is at home doing her homework. Says she hasn't had sex in a while, whatever that means. Going to be with her family tomorrow, oh well, trying to see her asap though before she changes her mind? No sugar talk yet. Says she is bored and lonely, and doesn't call me hun, baby, etc.
GND # 1. It's Saturday night and she is at home doing her homework. Says she hasn't had sex in a while, whatever that means. Going to be with her family tomorrow, oh well, trying to see her asap though before she changes her mind? No sugar talk yet. Says she is bored and lonely, and doesn't call me hun, baby, etc.This chick looks good. Latina or White? And how old?
HollywoodGuy
04-21-19, 14:19
This chick looks good. Latina or White? And how old?White / latina mixed. 20 years old.
TheHuntsman
04-21-19, 20:15
I've been a member of this site for quite a few years and used to contribute more when I was mongering on the street, BP, and most. I haven't used those that much the last few years, but have dinner the SB / sd. I hate typing a lot on my phone since my laptop took a dump.
I posted on here before about being banned from SA. Since then I've been banned multiple times and now can't even get past registering LOL. Anyone recommend any other good SB sites?
Portland did not pan out. Partly because I was seeing good friends and that was the priority. One SB kept being very coy and her schedule did not help. One wanted an exorbitant amount and she was in the range that down here is $. There was one other, that was very hot, I didn't get in touch with in time. If I had had one more day I would have perused it with more vigor. I have a ton down here that I am chatting with. Makes more sense to put energy towards meeting them.
I've been a member of this site for quite a few years and used to contribute more when I was mongering on the street, BP, and most. I haven't used those that much the last few years, but have dinner the SB / sd. I hate typing a lot on my phone since my laptop took a dump.
I posted on here before about being banned from SA. Since then I've been banned multiple times and now can't even get past registering LOL. Anyone recommend any other good SB sites?SA is linking you on information you are unwittingly providing to them, see http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=4138662&viewfull=1#post4138662.
I've been a member of this site for quite a few years and used to contribute more when I was mongering on the street, BP, and most. I haven't used those that much the last few years, but have dinner the SB / sd. I hate typing a lot on my phone since my laptop took a dump.
I posted on here before about being banned from SA. Since then I've been banned multiple times and now can't even get past registering LOL. Anyone recommend any other good SB sites?Did they tell you why you got banned??
HollywoodGuy
04-22-19, 11:22
Did they tell you why you got banned??My SB / girl got banned. They told her it was for soliciting. She says she never said anything online. Must have got reported by an irate SD. I have never been banned. I used to say a lot of crazy stuff, but as I started reading reports here about people being banned I have restricted myself to moving girls to email / txt asap to continue our discussions.
For those already banned I have no intel other than what has been suggested by others. Use a vpn and a vanilla card. use all new pics and none of the same profile txt. Also I believe the reverse is true as well. meaning an irate GPS girl will report due to their feelings being hurt. One reason I try to avoid them. Also another guess is that white girls do most of the reporting. All speculation of course.
HollywoodGuy
04-22-19, 15:58
Sad.
https://www.seeking.com/member/5fb53c05-805d-46d4-8d15-478ace4ddd57
Lovleyy_babyy.
I need $1,243 but I don't mind getting $500.
HG. Saw this, thought of you. Let us know.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d6475176-d616-48f1-a7ad-a168cbb9a7c5
TheHuntsman
04-23-19, 00:42
It's funny before my first post a few months ago about being banned I had used the same account for years. Then after my first ban, I got banned again quite quickly. Thank you for the advice everyone. You're right about being tracked. After my 2nd or 3rd ban I noticed when being banned it said something about unusual activity and their fraud investigators.
Although on the plus side I did actually receive a prorated refund when I was banned.
HollywoodGuy
04-23-19, 02:59
HG. Saw this, thought of you. Let us know.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d6475176-d616-48f1-a7ad-a168cbb9a7c5She's got plusses and minuses. As a rule I don't message girls without a face pic, that talk about prior SD's and that have thick 100 meter dash thighs. On the pus side, young enough, dark enough and short enough to be interesting. Have not messaged her though.
Also I let my membership expire today, maybe they will offer me a free month to come back?
HollywoodGuy
04-23-19, 11:31
It's funny before my first post a few months ago about being banned I had used the same account for years. Then after my first ban, I got banned again quite quickly. Thank you for the advice everyone. You're right about being tracked. After my 2nd or 3rd ban I noticed when being banned it said something about unusual activity and their fraud investigators.
Although on the plus side I did actually receive a prorated refund when I was banned.With all the drama out there that effected the edgier online "dating" sites. You can be sure SA is working hard to look as legit as possible. The refund is a good example of that. Have you ever read their terms of service? Pretty hardcore.
PussyPumper
04-23-19, 15:05
In 2+ years, I never had so much as a meet and greet with a duo (two women) from SA.
As far as I can see, duo profiles seem to be either.
- platonic, or.
- wanting an unreasonably high donation (per person), from which they won't budge.
Anyone had better luck?
In 2+ years, I never had so much as a meet and greet with a duo (two women) from SA.
As far as I can see, duo profiles seem to be either.
- platonic, or.
- wanting an unreasonably high donation (per person), from which they won't budge.
Anyone had better luck?I avoid them, I think you'll have better luck finding a single SB who is open to 3 somes, then find the 3rd together or let her find or bring in a 2nd SB of yours.
So I am new here as well as new to SA.
Being getting a few replies, mostly Asian with one or two good looking photos. Funny thing is they straight up telling me PPM is $800 to $1200.
Am I crazy or this is way too much for SA girls? What is a reasonable PPM or Monthly you think would be for say a 8-9 body and 7-8 looking girl?
Please share some insights.
Jay.
HollywoodGuy
04-24-19, 01:39
So I am new here as well as new to SA.
Being getting a few replies, mostly Asian with one or two good looking photos. Funny thing is they straight up telling me PPM is $800 to $1200.
Am I crazy or this is way too much for SA girls? What is a reasonable PPM or Monthly you think would be for say a 8-9 body and 7-8 looking girl?
Please share some insights.
Jay.Read this thread first. It may just answer all your questions.
So I am new here as well as new to SA.
Being getting a few replies, mostly Asian with one or two good looking photos. Funny thing is they straight up telling me PPM is $800 to $1200.
Am I crazy or this is way too much for SA girls? What is a reasonable PPM or Monthly you think would be for say a 8-9 body and 7-8 looking girl?
Please share some insights.
Jay.Asians with 8-9 body and 7-8 face are probably in the 400+ PPM range on average. If you want to go lower, you either need to search longer, lower your standards, or find other races.
HollywoodGuy
04-24-19, 02:38
So I am new here as well as new to SA.
Being getting a few replies, mostly Asian with one or two good looking photos. Funny thing is they straight up telling me PPM is $800 to $1200.
Am I crazy or this is way too much for SA girls? What is a reasonable PPM or Monthly you think would be for say a 8-9 body and 7-8 looking girl?
Please share some insights.
Jay.I suppose the northern asian girls (north of the thai border) are more than the south asian girls.
HollywoodGuy
04-24-19, 18:44
So as stated earlier I am searching for girls way outside of my usual well defined box lately. The first score was the face fucking (white) girl for free. That was a one time freebie. Now of course she wants to get paid. I may or may not repeat.
Today was girl # 2. Another white girl. Her profile didn't say much but it mentioned that she had cute feet. So she got my attention there. But there was no face pic and only a very grainey body shot. I couldn't really see much more, except that she was a petite 20 year old that lived really far away. We messaged a few times over a couple of days and she said she was just into selling feet pics and txted me a few to see if I wanted to buy some.
I told her I wasn't too interested in that but how did she feel about having a live foot session. She said that could be possible, but that she had never done that before. After a little more chatting I said, what if it included a hand job, and she said she was OK with that too. So then I told her there was a remote chance I could see her due to her living like 50 miles away. She said if I gave her an extra $0.2 for gas she would drive to me.
So today I took her up on her offer. I had her come at the low ebb of traffic and it still took her 90 minutes. I met her at a nearby parking lot just to make sure she was on the up and up. No issues there, so we went back to my place and got right to it. It was only a 30 minute session, but she did it topless, let me suck her perfect tiny nips, and gave a good enough prostate massage. She said it was her first time doing that too. I may or may not repeat. Total damage was $1.2
TheHuntsman
04-24-19, 21:40
This hobby and I mean everything on this site from sws, mps, BP and sbs can be an addicting and expensive hobby. I'm just an average guy that is quite frugal in my everyday life but am willing to splurge on pussy.
Currently I have a few girls I'm seeing. I'm going to try and share more of my experiences. I have two main girls that I've been seeing between 1-3 yrs.
Girl #1 I've been seeing since she was 19 and is now 21. She good to a cal state. When we 1st met it was basically pay to play, but feelings have developed on both sides. Even with feelings I still see other women, yes I got issues. As I said we're beyond pay to play. We spend time together, we fuck, we text each other all the time. I do give her money for things like gas and other things she needs. We exchange bday and Christmas gifts.
Girl#2 is 20 and will be 21 this summer and have been seeing her since she was 19. She attends a UC. Have never given her any money. She will come over spend the weekend, we fuck, watch TV, she cleans my place. When she's over and I go do my weekend errands I always tell her to get whatever she wants from the store but she doesn't. When I first saw her on sa I almost stopped talking to her because she seemed so innocent. Here she is enjoying getting choked and her ass spanked.
I promise my next post will have more of a point and be more coherent. Excuse any possible typos, but I'm on my phone.
HollywoodGuy
04-24-19, 23:31
she cleans my place. Say what? Does she have a like minded friend? LOL. Finding a girl like that is still on my bucket list.
JohnRichard
04-25-19, 02:26
Got a question for the many experts on this forum. Hope to get some pointers. But first I thank each and every one who is posting here for the valuable insights, great suggestions and some inspiring stories to hope for. Here is my latest adventure.
Met a pretty latina on SA. College student, just turned drinking age but does not drink alcohol. Good looking, a bit chubby, just like I like them. More like a 6-7 not a 10 by any stretch of the imagination. profile said platonic but i messaged her anyway.
Told me she has never had intercourse and does not intend to before she meets her soulmate. She has had a bf in the recent past, but apparently they never did anything beyond some hand and mouth action. This surprised me given how old she is but I decided to continue the conversation.
First date, we get starbucks, chat for a while, turns out she has not eaten dinner so we go get a pizza. Get back to my car, long make out session, her top comes off and I get to play a bit. Total cost about 0.30 which included my coffee and starbucks. We spend almost 3 hours.
Second date, i take her to her fav burger joint. We have a great time, the burgers are good and so is the conversation. Dinner costs less than 0.25 for both. We go out for a walk, eventually we head back to the car. we move to the back seat, and she gives me full access to everything. I use my fingers and mouth to my hearts content, she gets super wet, comes hard at least twice during the course of play. i can clearly feel how tight she is - i can barely get one finger in. She is 'shy' and does not want to go to my d. Drop her off after a 5 hour date with several of those in the car.
At this point I mention getting a hotel room and she says no saying she is not comfortable yet. Third date. Take her to local restaurant, total meal was close to 0.35 for two. She had her bday recently (per the I'd that she had showed me), so I got her a small trinket. She loved the gift. Same after meal routine. Walk outside for a few minutes, go to car and enjoy her body thoroughly. Like date 2, she makes some noise and a substantial wet patch on the car seat. Cleans it up with her own underwear LOL. She was willing to give me a handy, but I declined as I didn't come prepared (towels etc) to clean up the mess in my car backseat. But basically I played with a naked 21 year old for a couple of hours in the back of my car. Total cost about 0. 65.
We parted with the agreement that we will get a hotel next date. But she is insistent that there will be no direct s*x. Clearly she is willing to play, likes to cum, has allowed me unlimited access and is willing to provide that in a hotel room. Oral is on the table as she has done it with her bf in the past. But she does not want to take that last step.
I agreed to the next date but I am not sure how to proceed. I am working on a few other m / gs. I hope to find someone else that might be more open. But till one gets well underway I want to keep this going.
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?
HollywoodGuy
04-25-19, 02:42
Got a question for the many experts on this forum. Hope to get some pointers. But first I thank each and every one who is posting here for the valuable insights, great suggestions and some inspiring stories to hope for. Here is my latest adventure.
Met a pretty latina on SA. College student, just turned drinking age but does not drink alcohol. Good looking, a bit chubby, just like I like them. More like a 6-7 not a 10 by any stretch of the imagination. profile said platonic but i messaged her anyway.
Told me she has never had intercourse and does not intend to before she meets her soulmate. She has had a bf in the recent past, but apparently they never did anything beyond some hand and mouth action. This surprised me given how old she is but I decided to continue the conversation.
First date, we get starbucks, chat for a while, turns out she has not eaten dinner so we go get a pizza. Get back to my car, long make out session, her top comes off and I get to play a bit. Total cost about 0.30 which included my coffee and starbucks. We spend almost 3 hours.
Second date, i take her to her fav burger joint. We have a great time, the burgers are good and so is the conversation. Dinner costs less than 0.25 for both. We go out for a walk, eventually we head back to the car. we move to the back seat, and she gives me full access to everything. I use my fingers and mouth to my hearts content, she gets super wet, comes hard at least twice during the course of play. i can clearly feel how tight she is - i can barely get one finger in. She is 'shy' and does not want to go to my d. Drop her off after a 5 hour date with several of those in the car.
At this point I mention getting a hotel room and she says no saying she is not comfortable yet. Third date. Take her to local restaurant, total meal was close to 0.35 for two. She had her bday recently (per the I'd that she had showed me), so I got her a small trinket. She loved the gift. Same after meal routine. Walk outside for a few minutes, go to car and enjoy her body thoroughly. Like date 2, she makes some noise and a substantial wet patch on the car seat. Cleans it up with her own underwear LOL. She was willing to give me a handy, but I declined as I didn't come prepared (towels etc) to clean up the mess in my car backseat. But basically I played with a naked 21 year old for a couple of hours in the back of my car. Total cost about 0. 65.
We parted with the agreement that we will get a hotel next date. But she is insistent that there will be no direct s*x. Clearly she is willing to play, likes to cum, has allowed me unlimited access and is willing to provide that in a hotel room. Oral is on the table as she has done it with her bf in the past. But she does not want to take that last step.
I agreed to the next date but I am not sure how to proceed. I am working on a few other m / gs. I hope to find someone else that might be more open. But till one gets well underway I want to keep this going.
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?Sounds like fun. But from this point forward at least get some CIM.
Definitely, a girl who gets that wet and have that appetite. It's just a matter of time, and she's going to be one that sticks once you crack that nut.
Got a question for the many experts on this forum. Hope to get some pointers. But first I thank each and every one who is posting here for the valuable insights, great suggestions and some inspiring stories to hope for. Here is my latest adventure.
Met a pretty latina on SA. College student, just turned drinking age but does not drink alcohol. Good looking, a bit chubby, just like I like them. More like a 6-7 not a 10 by any stretch of the imagination. profile said platonic but i messaged her anyway.
Told me she has never had intercourse and does not intend to before she meets her soulmate. She has had a bf in the recent past, but apparently they never did anything beyond some hand and mouth action. This surprised me given how old she is but I decided to continue the conversation.
First date, we get starbucks, chat for a while, turns out she has not eaten dinner so we go get a pizza. Get back to my car, long make out session, her top comes off and I get to play a bit. Total cost about 0.30 which included my coffee and starbucks. We spend almost 3 hours.
Second date, i take her to her fav burger joint. We have a great time, the burgers are good and so is the conversation. Dinner costs less than 0.25 for both. We go out for a walk, eventually we head back to the car. we move to the back seat, and she gives me full access to everything. I use my fingers and mouth to my hearts content, she gets super wet, comes hard at least twice during the course of play. i can clearly feel how tight she is - i can barely get one finger in. She is 'shy' and does not want to go to my d. Drop her off after a 5 hour date with several of those in the car.
At this point I mention getting a hotel room and she says no saying she is not comfortable yet. Third date. Take her to local restaurant, total meal was close to 0.35 for two. She had her bday recently (per the I'd that she had showed me), so I got her a small trinket. She loved the gift. Same after meal routine. Walk outside for a few minutes, go to car and enjoy her body thoroughly. Like date 2, she makes some noise and a substantial wet patch on the car seat. Cleans it up with her own underwear LOL. She was willing to give me a handy, but I declined as I didn't come prepared (towels etc) to clean up the mess in my car backseat. But basically I played with a naked 21 year old for a couple of hours in the back of my car. Total cost about 0. 65.
We parted with the agreement that we will get a hotel next date. But she is insistent that there will be no direct s*x. Clearly she is willing to play, likes to cum, has allowed me unlimited access and is willing to provide that in a hotel room. Oral is on the table as she has done it with her bf in the past. But she does not want to take that last step.
I agreed to the next date but I am not sure how to proceed. I am working on a few other m / gs. I hope to find someone else that might be more open. But till one gets well underway I want to keep this going.
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?
HowdyDoody32
04-25-19, 13:56
There's an old saying: "if you haven't fucked a chick you're dating after two weeks, you probably never will. " latina? Virgin? In los angeles? Lmao. Most chicks are being banged already by 14. She might be playing you. A few more dates and I'd give up. But if it's cheap then go ahead and keep it up.
Sounds like you are having fun why walk away? She offered to get you off. You declined. I would say that in the hotel (get a nice one) you two will have a blast. Teach her how to give a great BJ.
Got a question for the many experts on this forum. Hope to get some pointers. But first I thank each and every one who is posting here for the valuable insights, great suggestions and some inspiring stories to hope for. Here is my latest adventure.
Met a pretty latina on SA. College student, just turned drinking age but does not drink alcohol. Good looking, a bit chubby, just like I like them. More like a 6-7 not a 10 by any stretch of the imagination. profile said platonic but i messaged her anyway.
Told me she has never had intercourse and does not intend to before she meets her soulmate. She has had a bf in the recent past, but apparently they never did anything beyond some hand and mouth action. This surprised me given how old she is but I decided to continue the conversation.
First date, we get starbucks, chat for a while, turns out she has not eaten dinner so we go get a pizza. Get back to my car, long make out session, her top comes off and I get to play a bit. Total cost about 0.30 which included my coffee and starbucks. We spend almost 3 hours.
Second date, i take her to her fav burger joint. We have a great time, the burgers are good and so is the conversation. Dinner costs less than 0.25 for both. We go out for a walk, eventually we head back to the car. we move to the back seat, and she gives me full access to everything. I use my fingers and mouth to my hearts content, she gets super wet, comes hard at least twice during the course of play. i can clearly feel how tight she is - i can barely get one finger in. She is 'shy' and does not want to go to my d. Drop her off after a 5 hour date with several of those in the car.
At this point I mention getting a hotel room and she says no saying she is not comfortable yet. Third date. Take her to local restaurant, total meal was close to 0.35 for two. She had her bday recently (per the I'd that she had showed me), so I got her a small trinket. She loved the gift. Same after meal routine. Walk outside for a few minutes, go to car and enjoy her body thoroughly. Like date 2, she makes some noise and a substantial wet patch on the car seat. Cleans it up with her own underwear LOL. She was willing to give me a handy, but I declined as I didn't come prepared (towels etc) to clean up the mess in my car backseat. But basically I played with a naked 21 year old for a couple of hours in the back of my car. Total cost about 0. 65.
We parted with the agreement that we will get a hotel next date. But she is insistent that there will be no direct s*x. Clearly she is willing to play, likes to cum, has allowed me unlimited access and is willing to provide that in a hotel room. Oral is on the table as she has done it with her bf in the past. But she does not want to take that last step.
I agreed to the next date but I am not sure how to proceed. I am working on a few other m / gs. I hope to find someone else that might be more open. But till one gets well underway I want to keep this going.
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?.
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?She may come around eventually. Or not. But it seems like she's very low maintenance for some decent fun. I'd say she's deserving of a spot on your roster unless she gets too clingy / needy. After some oral play, ask her about anal. Some girls may guard the front entrance, but will open up the back thinking it's as innocent as oral. Not as great as having full access, but it'd be a nice consolation.
HollywoodGuy
04-25-19, 20:40
ME
My general intro message.
HER
Hi. I've never done this before so I don't really know what I'm looking for. But I do have Daddy Kink.
ME
Do you have GPS?
HER
I'm not really looking for a certain price or high offer. I'm just really open minded. And my roommates and I were talking about this site yesterday, and we all got online and made accounts to try something new.
ME
I pay a $ a date. But I have to be physically attracted to you because I never fake it.
HER
I'd be down to meet and see if we click. I'm not a great faker either. Word has it I'm also a great lover.
ME
btw... I only date pretty, young black girls like you
HER
good to know
Meeting her tonite for the M&G. Don't you just love these girls? And sometimes it is that easy. She is 18, VGL, good body and new in town. Based on her address and some other things she told me I am guessing the parents are paying her rent and tuition. I don't really care what her experience is, because at her age it can't be much. This is about as fresh as they come. But I don't judge, until they're in the FC... lol
HollywoodGuy
04-26-19, 04:39
So I did back to back M&G's tonite. The first one was with the 18 girl mentioned in my last post. The second was with a girl I met on Tinder. Date one seemed a little awkward. She was a pretty boujie black girl. Talked white, acted white but was a chocolate beauty. I cut the date short after 30 minutes of talking in the car. It just didn't quite feel right and she seemed a little apprehensive.
So I went to date two. That turned out to be a 23 weed head that was just looking to get some guy to buy her some, so I did. We then went to her $2400 a month one bedroom in DTLA where her two roommates were waiting. One was a smoking hot blond haired black model, the other a gross BBW latina. So I sat there and watched them get high and we just bs'ed for a couple of hours.
While I was there, the girl from earlier in the evening txted me and said she had a great time (who knew?) and couldn't wait to see me again. So I txted her when I got home and we set a date for the FC for tomorrow. She just can't wait to unleash her Daddy fantasies on me. lol. But that is what I live for.
I suppose the northern asian girls (north of the thai border) are more than the south asian girls.First of, thank you guys so much for the input!
So I finally got my first SB Date today! Kinda excitied!
7-8 looking Asian Girl, can't tell the body from photos, Asian skinny I supposed.
Agreed on $500 ppm and agreed intimacy on first date, will see her in a few hours in a hotel.
Anyways will come back and discuss later.
HollywoodGuy
04-26-19, 13:47
First of, thank you guys so much for the input!
So I finally got my first SB Date today! Kinda excitied!
7-8 looking Asian Girl, can't tell the body from photos, Asian skinny I supposed.
Agreed on $500 ppm and agreed intimacy on first date, will see her in a few hours in a hotel.
Anyways will come back and discuss later.Please post pics afterward if possible. For 5 bills she should allow that.
HollywoodGuy
04-26-19, 14:33
It's been said that familiarity breeds contempt. Last year I saw my x SB / GF about 40 times in 8 months. This year I saw her 56 times in 3 1/2 months. She definitely lost respect for my situation. And I started losing interest in her as well. No matter how hot any relationship is, the honeymoon phase can only last so long. Usually 6-12 months or if you are madly in love maybe 2 years? But for me when the honeymoon is over, it's over. Does that mean I would never fuck her again. Well no. But she is far from any kind of a priority. Our first fight was on April 2nd and by the 16th we were done. Clean breaks are always the best. When you are a SD you don't need to "work on the relationship". That's for married folks and civi daters.
Bigsqueeze
04-26-19, 16:18
Any suggestions? Do you think she may come around eventually?Should I be a dog and say, allow her to keep her virginity. Fuck her in the ass instead.
HollywoodGuy
04-27-19, 00:23
the girl from earlier in the evening txted me and said she had a great time (who knew?) and couldn't wait to see me again. So I txted her when I got home and we set a date for the FC for tomorrow. She just can't wait to unleash her Daddy fantasies on me. lol. But that is what I live for.So I followed up with the FC date today with M&G girl # 1 from yesterday. Things didn't go exactly as planned. We were supposed to meet at 2 and I was stoked. I was at home already hard just thinking about her. But by the time we got to the no-tel at 4:30 my energy level had dropped considerably. And what a shame too. This average looking girl had a stunning body in every way. Perfect firm and responsive B titties. Just the right size pussy (not too big and not too tight). A willing and eager ass. Pretty feet. And just couldn't wait to get to it. I started out with about 10 minutes of going down on her very tasty pussy, and then managed to pound out about 30 minutes (20 of it in her ass), until she told me to stop. But for me it wasn't one of my better days.
At my age (or any age?) there are just times when you are more ready than others. The next date I am going to try to time a little better. She was happy as hell (but what does an 18 year old know about crazy over the top bomb sex). That's why these girls come to us, to get those experiences. On the down side she wasn't too into kissing (which is like natural viagra to me). A girl that loves to make out and has good kissing skills will keep me rock hard for the duration. So I had to find some other way to stay stimulated. When I was fucking her ass from behind I reached around and got a good grasp inside her pussy with two fingers, with my thumb on her clit, clamped down on her and basically pulled her back and forth. Not an easy move unless you have long arms and a small girl.
And her perfectly shaped size 7 feet were ticklish, what a bummer, so no real action there. So not the complete package. Plus I am still coming off my x GF/SB that was close to perfect (except no anal). But an awesome kisser. Plus we would be hanging out and she would let me pick the time to fuck. So of course it was always at my peak times. And we had that emotional chemistry and she was pretty. But I digress. Of the 5 girls I saw this week at least one came through for me good enough to see her again. But this is not a girl i want to hang out with. So I need to just be ready when I see her.
And as far as the donation she said she didn't care about the money, but I gave her .9 anyway. I am gonna see just how into me she is and ask for a freebie or just ask if like .6 is OK going forward. And I need to spend some quality time going down on her as well, because in that area she was a 9/10. The bottom line is that 40 minutes with this girl was just scratching the surface, I am sure I could stay interested for 90 minutes if she ever let me.
So if you read my previous posts you got the whole life cycle of a basically drama free, easy peasy, text book hook-up on SA. She posted her profile very late wed nite, we messaged and met thursday, and went to the FC today (friday).
She was an NP when I fucked her, but turned pro when I paid her after.
HollywoodGuy
04-27-19, 15:31
This girl has a new profile every few days using different socal cities. She favorites me twice a week. Very fishy.
DickensCider
04-27-19, 15:35
This girl has a new profile every few days using different socal cities. She favorites me twice a week. Very fishy.Yup, I noticed the same thing. She just made another profile today. I'm curious if anyone has tried to reach out?
WoohooSoCal
04-27-19, 16:11
This girl has a new profile every few days using different socal cities. She favorites me twice a week. Very fishy.She favorited me this morning as soon as I refreshed my account.
This girl has a new profile every few days using different socal cities. She favorites me twice a week. Very fishy.Same for me.
This girl has a new profile every few days using different socal cities. She favorites me twice a week. Very fishy.I reached out to her, but no response.
TheHuntsman
04-28-19, 11:57
I'm going to upload a few pics of some of the girls I've met. If anyone else has met them and has a story or info to share please do. And if anyone wants more details about who I'm posting please ask.
LoveSmallPerky
04-28-19, 12:05
I have noticed that Seeking seems to Ban the SB's that are mentioned on this site with escort type meets. It seems to be very common in Chicago, Milwaukee and Madison areas. Not sure if they know of the site and follow the various threads throughout the various cities or how they know. Maybe they also have a way to know / figure out who the SD's are by their posts. Just my insight, nothing confirmed, but food for thought.
CreampiePlease
04-28-19, 12:12
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FarFarAway
04-28-19, 12:40
Yup, I noticed the same thing. She just made another profile today. I'm curious if anyone has tried to reach out?I posted about this already on the orange county thread, dead as it might be, b / c that is where I met her. Yes, I didn't find her appealing at the M&G.
I have noticed that Seeking seems to Ban the SB's that are mentioned on this site with escort type meets. It seems to be very common in Chicago, Milwaukee and Madison areas. Not sure if they know of the site and follow the various threads throughout the various cities or how they know. Maybe they also have a way to know / figure out who the SD's are by their posts. Just my insight, nothing confirmed, but food for thought.I doubt it. It stands to reason that if they are talked about as escorts here their inbox on seeking is also soliciting, especially considering most SD's are not regular posters here. They do check for key words in your inbox, and give special scrutiny if you are reported.
Seeking is all about $$$, I doubt they devote manpower to policing offsite. They don't really care if these girls are hookers, but they don't want them doing in on their site.
HollywoodGuy
04-28-19, 15:43
I have noticed that Seeking seems to Ban the SB's that are mentioned on this site with escort type meets. It seems to be very common in Chicago, Milwaukee and Madison areas. Not sure if they know of the site and follow the various threads throughout the various cities or how they know. Maybe they also have a way to know / figure out who the SD's are by their posts. Just my insight, nothing confirmed, but food for thought.Highly unlikely.
This girl setup m&g at her time and choice and then flaked on me.
Was browsing through porn today and found couple of her vids.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a8d89027-2852-4ba3-8843-2eea70a45230
https://www.xvideos.com/video43837553/18yo_light_skin_black_teen_fucks_big_white_cock.
https://www.xvideos.com/video45205229/lebanese_big_thick_cock_fucks_light_skins_black_teen.
JohnRichard
04-29-19, 23:23
This girl setup m&g at her time and choice and then flaked on me.
Was browsing through porn today and found couple of her vids.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a8d89027-2852-4ba3-8843-2eea70a45230
https://www.xvideos.com/video43837553/18yo_light_skin_black_teen_fucks_big_white_cock.
https://www.xvideos.com/video45205229/lebanese_big_thick_cock_fucks_light_skins_black_teen.And 32 on seeking. Wonder how old she really is?
HollywoodGuy
04-30-19, 15:34
Asian lover?
https://www.seeking.com/member/4dd93cc3-17b2-48b6-a0d4-c702719860e5
She wouldn't even reply to my intro message.
Asian lover?
https://www.seeking.com/member/4dd93cc3-17b2-48b6-a0d4-c702719860e5
She wouldn't even reply to my intro message.It's her first day, and she probably has 100 messages in her inbox already.
PPM will be around $500.
Pro-tip: Make the very first line in your message stand out. The girls can see it in the preview.
HollywoodGuy
04-30-19, 17:11
Asian lover?
https://www.seeking.com/member/4dd93cc3-17b2-48b6-a0d4-c702719860e5
She wouldn't even reply to my intro message.Honestly I have hundreds and hundreds of guys messaging me. Venmo me at Amy558 any amount you think I'm worth leave your number, WeChat, anything and I promise you I will get back at you!
- your new favorite toy.
No matter how tempting it is to get the last word. It's always just best to hide the profile and move on.
MidnightDabber
04-30-19, 17:18
Someone asked me for 1000 a meet LOL.
Asian lover?
https://www.seeking.com/member/4dd93cc3-17b2-48b6-a0d4-c702719860e5
She wouldn't even reply to my intro message.Her response to me: "Honestly I have hundreds and hundreds of guys messaging me. Venmo me at Amy558 any amount you think I'm worth leave your number, WeChat, anything and I promise you I will get back at you!
- your new favorite toy".
She did promise to get back to me after. LOL.
Asian lover?
https://www.seeking.com/member/4dd93cc3-17b2-48b6-a0d4-c702719860e5
She wouldn't even reply to my intro message.God HG, you say this all surprised. It must be great to be you. I have a metric shit ton of messages that never get read, much less replied to.
Still somehow the site works for me and I am able to dig out gems on a pretty regular basis. I spent the afternoon banging a nice, pretty, slim white college girl, 18 years old, my first time with her. Not the best BJ skills, but great attitude and willing to take instruction.
Damn I love SA!
HollywoodGuy
04-30-19, 21:24
God HG, you say this all surprised. It must be great to be you. I have a metric shit ton of messages that never get read, much less replied to.
Still somehow the site works for me and I am able to dig out gems on a pretty regular basis. I spent the afternoon banging a nice, pretty, slim white college girl, 18 years old, my first time with her. Not the best BJ skills, but great attitude and willing to take instruction.
Damn I love SA!I know. I wish I had more time / cash to partake. Hoping to rectify that soon. And BTW. Your pics are always appreciated.
HollywoodGuy
05-01-19, 21:40
I really hope this one says yes. She is on the fence. Says she is not a hooker... just looking to get naughty. mid twenties mixed asain girl
HollywoodGuy
05-01-19, 21:53
On the fence girl # 2. All asian. Milfy. Thirties
TheHuntsman
05-01-19, 23:56
I'm trying to share more of my experiences. The girl in the 2nd picture with the frizzy hair was fun. I believe she was 19 when we met and lived around Artesia area. I drove down to a quiet neighborhood at night and she met me in the corner. Cute face but a bit more bottom heavy. We found a quiet spot a few streets away. We began making out and as she went down on me a slid my hand down the back of her pants and could feel she was wet. She then said she wanted to ride me and climbed from the passenger seat onto the top of me and began riding me raw. I had to be firm after a few minutes to make her get off so that I could put on a rubber. She then got back on top of me and rode me till her heart was content. It was funny as she rode me she got the horn on my car a few times. I was glad no one came out to see. After that we met up a few times and she give me head just at the end of her block. I was fortunate enough to make a free blow job videos with her. Eventually we just stopped seeing her, but it was fun while it lasted.
HollywoodGuy
05-02-19, 01:08
On the fence girl #3 . Tinder girl. Says she's down. Time will tell.
Luckystonewood
05-02-19, 04:16
And she is wearing a "Tilted Kilt" uniform. She looks good in it!
I really hope this one says yes. She is on the fence. Says she is not a hooker... just looking to get naughty. mid twenties mixed asain girl
I really hope this one says yes. She is on the fence. Says she is not a hooker... just looking to get naughty. mid twenties mixed asain girlDamn, looks hot. Good luck bro. Wish I could do the same.
HollywoodGuy
05-02-19, 11:49
Found this short 19 latina with serious Daddy issues. Not the best looking, but a girl that's ready to serve will always get pushed closer to the top of the list. Still doing my outside of the box searching as you can see by my posts. Kinda fun actually. Strangely when I click on the pic it displays upside down. lol
PussyPumper
05-02-19, 17:45
Kinda fun actually. Strangely when I click on the pic it displays upside down. lolAn Aussie / Kiwi?
But more seriously, shouln't HG's recent posts be in the non-pro thread?
Found this cute Latina single mother still living with her parents.
Took her to Nice restaurant for romantic dinner and then to FC.
BB everything, didn't had sex for 2 months so went wild at it.
Open to Videos. Looks like I will have my first porno soon.
Meeting 2-3 times a week in cards.
Damage? Didn't ask for money for this meet but ready to accept anything and want bi-weekly.
What should I offer?
HollywoodGuy
05-02-19, 23:15
Found this cute Latina single mother still living with her parents.
Took her to Nice restaurant for romantic dinner and then to FC.
BB everything, didn't had sex for 2 months so went wild at it.
Open to Videos. Looks like I will have my first porno soon.
Meeting 2-3 times a week in cards.
Damage? Didn't ask for money for this meet but ready to accept anything and want bi-weekly.
What should I offer?Find out what she needs. As long as it comes to a $ or less per date you can't go too far off track.
TurningPoint
05-03-19, 04:26
New user on here. I used to use hx and just recently created a SA account. Is it normal to get flooded with messages in your inbox. I'm young so I thought maybe that was the reason? All girls I've talked to tell me they hate having to go with the old guys. Also, is $200-$300 a normal range on here? Just met a 19 yo white blonde girl who let me cum inside her. Paid WAY less than anything on Hx, $200 3 hrs. Going to a concert next week with her. Last question, are ppm better than making an actual arrangements? Is this even the right place to ask this. Well I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
Find out what she needs. As long as it comes to a $ or less per date you can't go too far off track.OK, HG, you got me geared up to try and save money. I was talking to a 19 yo slim Latina whose profile kept disappearing and re-appearing, but she kept DM'ing me. Finally got down to talking business and she said that she gets 300. I summoned a deep breath and inhaled the spirit of HG and counter-offered 150. She said that she "won't devalue herself" and blocked me.
I knew that wasn't going to work! And it felt like shit, too. .
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