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**JWalker350** · 12-30-21 21:47

Originally Posted by DogRice [View Original Post]

Interesting articles. While I agree the general concept based on my own experience (married + gfs + SBs + hookers), here are my 2 cents:

- GFs are costly and a lot of strings attached. However, the engagement and passion during sex is much better than SBs and hookers. My most memorable sex are with GFs.

- SBs: I found them even harder than to find the real SBs than GFs.

- Hookers: No String attached. Easy. But mostly lack of passion and not able to go with bare (my personal choice with warden at home). High quality hookers (like what Wahoo2000 said) is 600+ nowadays.

I have to agree with Dog Rice about harder to find a real SB than a GF. I have had 5 girls agreed to meet and greet this month. Only one showed up, 3 cancelled a few hours before meeting and one did not respond when I confirmed 2 hours before the meeting. 10+ Girls did not say anything when I asked for meet and greet. About 5 girls asked to pay for their time from $200-$400 for coffee meeting or lunch / dinner.

**Dog Rice** · 12-30-21 20:29

Interesting articles. While I agree the general concept based on my own experience (married + gfs + SBs + hookers), here are my 2 cents:

- GFs are costly and a lot of strings attached. However, the engagement and passion during sex is much better than SBs and hookers. My most memorable sex are with GFs.

- SBs: I found them even harder than to find the real SBs than GFs.

- Hookers: No String attached. Easy. But mostly lack of passion and not able to go with bare (my personal choice with warden at home). High quality hookers (like what Wahoo2000 said) is 600+ nowadays.

Originally Posted by Wahoo2000 [View Original Post]

Ummmmmm. No. I guess there are different definitions of "average high-quality" but I'm not seeing what *I* refer to as high-quality (under 30, thin, toned, enhanced, beautiful face, enthusiastic GFE service) for anything under about $600+ per hour. About the best you're going to do is the asian agencies, but even those are at $260/ hr to $360/ hr. Maybe some latinas in the $350-$450 range. But if you want a white / caucasian girl who fits the profile of what I have in parentheses above. $600/ hr and up is what you're looking at for 99.9% of those girls.

I'll also say that when I've been lucky enough to attract a "IRL" girl that fits my standards, the monetary investment in a REAL girlfriend is WAAAAY lower than with escorts on a sex / hr rate. However, if you like to sample multiple flavors, I will say obviously that's a big plus on the escorting side. For me, when I find a chick that fits what I want and actually is willing to date me IRL, I go for that. Between relationships I go with the escorts to "scratch the itch". I'm guessing at some point I'll either settle down (as far as she knows, LOL) with a girl I date -OR- I'll no longer be able to, on occasion, organically attract the girls I prefer. Either way, I'm prob a member of "the hobby" for life. But you won't find me justifying / rationalizing the expenditure we all make in it. It's a LOT of cash. But it's worth it! LOL.

**Wahoo2000** · 12-30-21 19:34

Originally Posted by DrPornDawger [View Original Post]

Price For Fuck Factor Score (kinda like the credit rating).

Now let's look at the cost of the average high-quality prostitute. You can bang a prostitute for 2 hours for 250 dollars.

Ummmmmm. No. I guess there are different definitions of "average high-quality" but I'm not seeing what *I* refer to as high-quality (under 30, thin, toned, enhanced, beautiful face, enthusiastic GFE service) for anything under about $600+ per hour. About the best you're going to do is the asian agencies, but even those are at $260/ hr to $360/ hr. Maybe some latinas in the $350-$450 range. But if you want a white / caucasian girl who fits the profile of what I have in parentheses above. $600/ hr and up is what you're looking at for 99.9% of those girls.

I'll also say that when I've been lucky enough to attract a "IRL" girl that fits my standards, the monetary investment in a REAL girlfriend is WAAAAY lower than with escorts on a sex / hr rate. However, if you like to sample multiple flavors, I will say obviously that's a big plus on the escorting side. For me, when I find a chick that fits what I want and actually is willing to date me IRL, I go for that. Between relationships I go with the escorts to "scratch the itch". I'm guessing at some point I'll either settle down (as far as she knows, LOL) with a girl I date -OR- I'll no longer be able to, on occasion, organically attract the girls I prefer. Either way, I'm prob a member of "the hobby" for life. But you won't find me justifying / rationalizing the expenditure we all make in it. It's a LOT of cash. But it's worth it! LOL.

**DrPornDawger** · 12-30-21 18:03

Price For Fuck Factor Score (kinda like the credit rating).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQF7RDSjQYQ&t=9m35s

Kinda relates to this article which can no longer be found.

https://themalefactor.com/2016/06/12...-normal-women/

But here's the article, luckily I saved it.

Why Marriage is Costlier?

Is it cheaper to have sex with normal women than with prostitutes? No, and here is why.

When you have sex with a normal girl, it's by no means "free". You have to take her out to dinner, buy her drinks, and you might have to go on two or even three dates before you will have sex with her. If you add up the total costs of these three dates, it would be approximately around 400 dollars.

Now let's look at the cost of the average high-quality prostitute. You can bang a prostitute for 2 hours for 250 dollars.

What are the benefits of using prostitutes instead of dating normal women?

The average prostitute is far hotter than the average normal woman you can date.

YOU get to do the choosing, and the power of choice is in YOUR hands, instead of in the woman's hands.

With a prostitute, you have sex with her and that's it. No emotional drama, no mind games, no bullshit, like there is with normal women.

You don't have to waste hours of your valuable time that you could otherwise spend on making money, taking women out on dates or trying to pick up women in bars and clubs. No, instead you pay a prostitute for one or two hours of her time, have sex with her, and leave.

You choose WHEN you want to have sex. So let's say you're a busy businessman, instead of wasting 5 hours at a bar or on a date, instead, you'd spend only one or two hours with a prostitute, and that at your convenience too. YOU are the one who chooses WHEN, and so you save a LOT of time.

Prostitutes are DEFINITELY cheaper than getting married. Overall, through a 10-year marriage and divorce, you'd end up spending at least 250,000 dollars. Now let's take that number and divide it by 250 dollars, which is the average price of a high-quality prostitute in a Western country. That is sex with 1000 different high-quality prostitutes. Now if you talk to any married man, who is HONEST, he will admit that sex with the wife after the first 6 months or year starts to get boring. And this is why people in long-term relationships barely have sex because it's BORING having sex with the same person time after time. Variety is the spice of life! You could have sex with 1000 different women for the same price it would cost to marry one woman and have sex with her. And considering how unstable most western women are nowadays, the chance of divorce is around 60%, with the woman initiating the divorce 90% of the time. You are likely to lose at least 50% of your assets and savings in a divorce, and so marriage to a western woman may end up costing you up to 500,000 dollars or even a million dollars, once you add in the divorce costs and long-term child payment and alimony costs.

So let's take that number, one million dollars, and divide it by 250. That's 4000 DIFFERENT women you could pay to have sex with, instead of marrying one woman who will just end up turning into a ***** and divorcing you anyway. So it's your choice guys. Would you rather marry one woman, who will get bored of sex after 6 months, and end up stealing all your assets and savings in divorce, or would you rather have sex with 4000 different beautiful women for the same price?

It's Love or Rape?

Another very relevant point is that the world of modern dating has become quite risky. Most women see nothing wrong with making a false rape accusation against a man. Most rape cases are fake and are done out of a motive of REVENGE by the woman. Did you break up with your girlfriend? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation against you just to get revenge. Did you cheat on your girl with another girl? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation just to get revenge on you. Forgot to tell your girlfriend "happy birthday"? Watch out, she might make a false rape accusation against you in order to get revenge on you. At least 90% of rape cases are FALSE, the sex was CONSENSUAL and the woman later changed her mind AFTER the act and decided "oh it was rape". LOL. And this is why the police no longer take rape cases seriously because literally, 90% of women who claim to have been raped are LYING!

So that is another HUGE benefit of prostitutes. A prostitute won't make a false rape accusation against you.

Why Men Choose Prostitutes?

What's another GREAT reason that men choose to use prostitutes? Because by paying for sex, they can have sex with a MUCH hotter quality of woman than they would normally. For example, if we rate women on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of beauty. The average guy will be able to pick up and have sex with a 4 or a 5 from a bar, a club, or Tinder. Meanwhile, if the same man paid for sex with a high-quality prostitute for $250 dollars (about the same amount of money he would spend picking up a 4 or 5 from a bar, club, or Tinder), the prostitute he would have sex with would be an 8 or 9 on the beauty scale.

So for the same amount of money, he can have sex with a much hotter woman, and with much less effort too. Think about all the effort you have to put in to go to a bar or club. You have to buy good clothes, you have to spend lots of money on drinks and food, and also have to spend a lot of money on making sure your apartment is cool and stylish so the girl will feel comfortable there.

So unless you're a man who was blessed with the looks of Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise and have women chasing after you, the easiest and cheapest option for most men to have sex with the hottest quality of women is to simply PAY for sex with a hot prostitute. One guy was asked why he paid to have sex with prostitutes and his reply was "If I'm being brutally honest, the hottest women I've ever had sex with have been prostitutes. I would never be able to have sex with women who are ridiculously hot unless they were prostitutes. " I can also personally testify to this point. The types of chicks I was getting from Tinder were mostly fat or at best mildly hot, I would have rated them between a 3 and a 6 on the attraction scale. Then the first time I went to a prostitute, I have blown away by the options and the QUALITY too. Here were super hot girls who I could bang for such a cheap price. Needless to say, I gave up on dating and ONLY bang prostitutes now. I'm a much happier and peaceful person as a result.

Another couple of reasons that men gave as to why they choose to have sex with prostitutes are:

"Getting a prostitute is so easy: no strings attached, you can choose the woman you want before you purchase, then they arrive at your door. Couldn't be easier".

I can also testify to this. Getting a normal girl to have sex is a real pain in the ass and involves so much struggle, drama, and mind games. Then of course after you have sex with her, you have to deal with her stalking you, calling you so many times, and with her unrealistic expectation that you are going to have a committed and exclusively relationship with her. All that compared with the EASE of banging a hot prostitute, and the choice is simple. I chose to not waste time trying to date women anymore and only bang hot prostitutes now.

"We want to have sex without all the bullshit of pretending to be really interested in a girl. When you pay for sex, you don't have to swap numbers at the end when you know you won't call. You pay, have sex, she leaves. Everyone's happy. ".

This goes along with the above point. With normal women and dating, you have to PRETEND to care about her and PRETEND to be interested in her, when in reality all you want is to have sex with her. With a prostitute, there are no pretensions and that really is a beautiful thing because ultimately then sex becomes about the raw physical act as well as the pure attractiveness of the woman, and thus you are able to enjoy sex a lot more.

About the Author – Author John Doe is an avid reader of The Male Factor. Views expressed in this article are his personal.

**CPMachine** · 12-19-21 15:48

Originally Posted by JWalker350 [View Original Post]

This one was very nice when making a deal but blocked me right away after the deal failed through. Gave out fake cell number.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...2-5f65d0c333e2

This one seems legit. Been in the game for a bit. Seeing her this evening. Will report back.

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...8-1c1adfc2a021

**JWalker350** · 12-19-21 01:40

Originally Posted by CPMachine [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...dWlkZS5ubC8%3D

She's real. Did meet and greet. Just haven't had our schedules lined up to meet again yet.

This one was very nice when making a deal but blocked me right away after the deal failed through. Gave out fake cell number.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...2-5f65d0c333e2

**CPMachine** · 12-18-21 14:27

Originally Posted by Waxxon [View Original Post]

Since I haven't subscribed for quite awhile signed up for recently offered turkey day discount. Lots more bs coming from these wannabee pretenders, pros, professional M&G, fakes, scammers. Have met a couple new sbs, moving on to 2nd dates this week.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...7-ee0d6b1a21bd

Sends pics, wants deposit up front.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...2-d1b24fa14fcc

Talks a good story, then hits you with "I want to get comfortable with you and sell you some pics first" You'll also see she then disappears and her location is in other parts of the US. Scam and fake.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...4-5502f7dd3bb6

Possibly here in SD. Quickly went to text, she starts sending pics, calls you daddy and we set up a meet. Blocks me, but continues texting for the next day. On the day of the meet, then says "I'm going to get groceries for me and my aunt, can you help me daddy?" Now her profile is in Delaware. I ask her about it, she says I didn't block you, I took my profile down and still wants me to advance her $ but has some excuse as to why she can't meet.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...3-5c5a156df3af

Seems real. Have had good dialogue, trying to close the deal.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...d-82c06e6cbeae

Have had positive texting, thought we were going to meet but has dropped off. Seems real.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...d-33cdddf827a9

Def a 420 sb. Not that I care, vaping consistently during M&G. Set 2nd date, then day prior when I want to reconfirm, waffles and says I'll get back to you. Finally the following day at 7 pm texts "are you still available" Nexted.

Several others I can't find at the moment. Have gotten the I am going for groceries can you send me cashapp for food scam from several scammers. Don't fall for any money up front for any reason.

Lots of pros on site.

Merry Christmas hope Santa brings you sweet sb.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...dWlkZS5ubC8%3D

She's real. Did meet and greet. Just haven't had our schedules lined up to meet again yet.

**Waxxon** · 12-18-21 13:55

Since I haven't subscribed for quite awhile signed up for recently offered turkey day discount. Lots more bs coming from these wannabee pretenders, pros, professional M&G, fakes, scammers. Have met a couple new sbs, moving on to 2nd dates this week.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...7-ee0d6b1a21bd

Sends pics, wants deposit up front.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...2-d1b24fa14fcc

Talks a good story, then hits you with "I want to get comfortable with you and sell you some pics first" You'll also see she then disappears and her location is in other parts of the US. Scam and fake.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...4-5502f7dd3bb6

Possibly here in SD. Quickly went to text, she starts sending pics, calls you daddy and we set up a meet. Blocks me, but continues texting for the next day. On the day of the meet, then says "I'm going to get groceries for me and my aunt, can you help me daddy?" Now her profile is in Delaware. I ask her about it, she says I didn't block you, I took my profile down and still wants me to advance her $ but has some excuse as to why she can't meet.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...3-5c5a156df3af

Seems real. Have had good dialogue, trying to close the deal.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...d-82c06e6cbeae

Have had positive texting, thought we were going to meet but has dropped off. Seems real.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...d-33cdddf827a9

Def a 420 sb. Not that I care, vaping consistently during M&G. Set 2nd date, then day prior when I want to reconfirm, waffles and says I'll get back to you. Finally the following day at 7 pm texts "are you still available" Nexted.

Several others I can't find at the moment. Have gotten the I am going for groceries can you send me cashapp for food scam from several scammers. Don't fall for any money up front for any reason.

Lots of pros on site.

Merry Christmas hope Santa brings you sweet sb.

**KingBaby** · 12-17-21 20:36

Originally Posted by PussyPumper [View Original Post]

We all know that the the number of SBs asking for money for an initial meet & greet, or for photos and so on, has increased markedly over the years. Driven by "tutorial" videos on TikToc, YouTube, etc.

But today I encountered a new low. When I suggested moving discussion off of SA, a 19 yo SB, username BlackExcellence, told me I had to pay for her to do that!

Don't forget Reddit. Here is her profile, a "real queen" who "knows her worth," LOL https://members.seeking.com/member/9...2-9aaa7c6b68c8.

Like my last post - the Professional M&Gers are the most toxic. Yet, this trend is driven by people who are paying for them.

**PussyPumper** · 12-17-21 18:12

We all know that the the number of SBs asking for money for an initial meet & greet, or for photos and so on, has increased markedly over the years. Driven by "tutorial" videos on TikToc, YouTube, etc.

But today I encountered a new low. When I suggested moving discussion off of SA, a 19 yo SB, username BlackExcellence, told me I had to pay for her to do that!

**KingBaby** · 12-08-21 14:04

Just in case, here is the actual message.

" Hey what's going on?

Looking for 300 intimacy included.

Read bio please so you get some info there you don't have to ask.

Hit me up at 415 ******* have kik too at ipopstyle.

More pics on ig at gracious0ne "

Pretty sure it's a "Group Mail," lol

**JWalker350** · 12-08-21 12:55

Originally Posted by PussyPumper [View Original Post]

Photos are of reasonable 23 yo Asian gal. Says she is in town until Monday. "She" asks for reasonable $300.

If you want to take her up on this though, she says you have to buy her media first. No buy, no meet.

If you refuse, the language starts to sound unlike an Asian gal.

https://members.seeking.com/messages...e-a5095fa8de13

Yes. A lot of scammers on SA recently especially the profiles with blurred pictures.

**JWalker350** · 11-27-21 18:35

Originally Posted by Anontt6 [View Original Post]

This. Just had a SB do this to me. Arranged to meet up at a hotel in the evening, near her side of town, even reconfirmed that afternoon. Checked in all then she ghosted me. Turns out she "overslept" after getting off work, but I'd be willing to bet she got a more generous SD last minute. Another SB I fucked BBFS once flaked on me twice. Once was because of a "car accident" and second was permanent ghosting after asking what the agreed PPM was.

The list of excuses keeps on growing, and if there isn't a angle for these SBs from the get go (like scams, deposits, CashApp, etc.), then it's probably because they got a better offer elsewhere.

I do not think they got better offers from someone else. I tested that theory with two girls. I accepted their over price then asked for M&G. Both girls agreed to meet but when I confirmed a few hours before the meetings, one girl did not respond and the other girl told me the alarm did not work. Some girls showed up with 20-30 minutes late while others do not look like in the pictures such as older or over weight.

**Anontt6** · 11-27-21 13:41

Originally Posted by JWalker350 [View Original Post]

I experience the same as you mentioned above. In addition to delay first meeting one week with excuses such as out of town or busy working while in fact, they are very active on SA. When it comes to meeting day, they flake and not return messages.

This. Just had a SB do this to me. Arranged to meet up at a hotel in the evening, near her side of town, even reconfirmed that afternoon. Checked in all then she ghosted me. Turns out she "overslept" after getting off work, but I'd be willing to bet she got a more generous SD last minute. Another SB I fucked BBFS once flaked on me twice. Once was because of a "car accident" and second was permanent ghosting after asking what the agreed PPM was.

The list of excuses keeps on growing, and if there isn't a angle for these SBs from the get go (like scams, deposits, CashApp, etc.), then it's probably because they got a better offer elsewhere.

**JWalker350** · 11-27-21 13:05

Originally Posted by PussyPumper [View Original Post]

Photo sellers are a pain, but it is not that bad when they are up front about it, either in their profile, or from the get-go.

What I hate are the scammer types who pretend to be "normal" SBs, and string you along, wasting tons of time.

Hallmarks are:

- They agree far to easily to everything. They may even suggest PPM, FWB themselves, like the first one I list.

- Will agree to meet.

- Will even set a date, or suggest a date, usually a week away.

It is only at this point that they ask if you want to see some hot photos. That is when you can be sure of what comes next.

One or two nude / semi-nude photos, and instructions they you need to Cashapp for more.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...d-e7e7a9890e19

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...1-e7bd49a53915

I experience the same as you mentioned above. In addition to delay first meeting one week with excuses such as out of town or busy working while in fact, they are very active on SA. When it comes to meeting day, they flake and not return messages.