American Politics during the Obama Presidency (Only for Cincy)

[PillowTalk69]

This would have been one of the Founders John Adams while he was president in 1797. From the Treaty of Tripoli;.

Sorry to jump into this pointless never ending argument (I told you it would be like this) but the extreme right that is trying to rewrite history to say that the USA was founded as a christian nation really piss me the fuck off. The US is a nation of law, not theology.

It's those same fucks that make it a crime for chicks to sell pussy.

Please by all means, resume this pointless exercise, but thank you very much for confining yourselves to this thread.

A2.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html Doesn't quite jibe with this link So who is right?

[Admin2]

This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

This would have been one of the Founders John Adams while he was president in 1797. From the Treaty of Tripoli;.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen

Sorry to jump into this pointless never ending argument (I told you it would be like this) but the extreme right that is trying to rewrite history to say that the USA was founded as a christian nation really piss me the fuck off. The US is a nation of law, not theology.

It's those same fucks that make it a crime for chicks to sell pussy.

Please by all means, resume this pointless exercise, but thank you very much for confining yourselves to this thread.

A2.

[UPullAndPay2]

90% of this Post is 100% TRUE!! My Insurance was canceled! It now cost me double with a $10.000. 00 deductible! Obama should be in JAIL for his crimes against us!

This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

WMT.

Subject: Obama's accomplishments. Or lack of!

This showed up on a business website I connect on. Some interesting comments come in from retired military guys. This one was rather pointed.

By COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and.

RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror (a Northwest Texas paper).

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.

He has done more than any other President before him.

Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut.

To the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the USA, including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers. (OPPS, he is gone again!

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. ".

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.).

How is this hope and change working out for you?

It absolutely boggles the mind to try and comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!

P.S. - also remember all the "phony scandals" - e. G. , IRS, fast and furious (gun running), Benghazi, changing law re Obama care, etc. , etc.

But in the words of the duck from Aflack Insurance, He is only "Half black"!

Oh, and please, Bush is not the POTUS now, so don't bring into this as Obummer does!!

WMT.

[Cheech1]

Personally, I believe its to late to save the situation. The best we can do is to prepare for the proverbial shit hitting the fan so we can live through it. That is, if Obama and the clan in Washington don't start a nuclear war against Russia first.

As far as my intelligence, I love licking pussy, and ass from time to time if its nice, clean, and female, as well as inserting my fingers here and there. I always think of the science of sex while I do it. LOL.

Cheech.

[PillowTalk69]

Will have his last go. Facts for the masses not PROPAGANDA. When ACA was first proposed not ONE Republican voted for it which is an absolute rarity in politics. Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton H are and were all quoted as stating if you want to keep your doctor hosptital and medical plans you CAN. Those were lies. Pelosi the village idiot of the House at that time said before we know what is in the ACA we must pass it then we can read it. Really doesn't work that way for something that effects 1/6 of the economy.

Fact for a plan that was to be Obama's signature plan and contribution to American's in 3 years Sebelius and HHR couldn't get it right on the web site construction. It cost Americans close to a billion dollars to date and it still does not work right. I checked my copay for my family of four and it is what I said it is through Anthem and it went from what I said it was. In spite of this Willow called me a liar. That I am NOT. There are many problems in this nation with many different causes ranging from Pelosi and Reid the resident trolls of the house of and Senate to Boehner who can't control the Tea Party Caucus which is also a big problem. Fact there have been over 300 bipartisan bills sent to the Senate and still sit on Harry's desk to date with no action taken. Of course Boehner and the house have to reciprocate by not passing what comes to the House they may not like. Obama talks a good game "I am willing to work with anybody to get these issues solved LIE. It is his way or the highway and the House of course has to get into the act also. Fact there are over 11.7 million illegal aliens in America by admission on both sides Fact. Why not go through the normal steps of becoming a citizen. We have laws coverning that however if you want your party to stay in control you overlook certain things.

Fact everone feels sorry for kids who come here due to conditions in their own country Fact we can't support in this economy those who flood our borders with health, medical, dental, vision, education and subsidization. This is not a welfare state but is quickly becoming one. Send them back Sorry my feelings. My grandparents and parents came here the old fasioned way, got their citizenship the old fashioned way and it worked for them. Our borders are not secure and without proper funding or moving down the national and state guards won't be.

Last but not least, not caring what party is in the White House THE IRS should NEVER be used to target groups, dispense those groups personal information to a Federal Elections board nor be run in part or in total by prejudiced people who do not like them because they do not care for those things they stand for the Tea Party Amercian Patriots ETC. You damned sure don't refer to them in and IRS email as a bunch of assholes whether you feel that way or not and you damned sure don't LOSE your emails appropriately when a government oversite committee asks for your records that by law must be kept for a set amount of time. If we lost our tax records what would be our punishment. Fact we have a screwed up nation that is so fucking worried about keeping power and ruling they have lost site of what their purpose is SERVING THE PEOPLE and that goes for both parties. So FACT if you don't like what is going on in Washington CLEAN HOUSE and get in different people regardless of party. Someone who will serve us and do what is best for AMERICA If they lie to us vote them out again and again and again until we get someone or some people in who WILL SERVE US and not the big banks, corporations and monied interests. If we can't get this then it makes no difference in the long run. It will all be downhill with the same old same old in control. One last thought Sir Willow cursing is a bad thing to you and an indication of intelligence or lack there of. How does fucking total strangers in the hobby ladies who might have drug issues, sticking ones cock up a ladies ass, eating a ladies pussy who has had how many dicks in it in a day, pushing fingers and tongues into each others asses, rank on the intelligence quotient scale to you? We all have our choices in life and when I get mad I choose using good old fashioned hard language. Many of us depending on your acceptance levels of actions and activities would NEVER qualify for the poster child of the year for intelligenece now would they/we? JMO and have a good rest of the year. PT.

[Cheech1]

Hopefully A2 will forgive me the length of this post. Its for those who think things are going well. Things are not.

Listening to mainstream market commentary on television and reading the financial press leaves one with the impression that the economic recovery is gaining strength and that stock market indexes, at or near all-time highs, will go higher still.

The litany of market happy talk is impressive. The unemployment rate has dropped to 6. 1%, down about four percentage points from its peak, and is expected to go lower in the months ahead. The economy created about 230,000 jobs per month in the first half of 2014, which brings the increase in jobs to nine million since the economic recovery began in mid-2009.

Interest rates remain low, which supports high asset valuations in stocks and housing. Inflation is tame and expectations about future inflation are well-anchored. To hear the stock market bulls tell the story, all is right with the world.

But all is not right. In fact, the fundamentals of the USA Economy are in awful condition and are getting worse. Almost everything about the happy talk story is superficial and falls apart under scrutiny. There is an alternative narrative of bad news that is seldom discussed on mainstream business channels but is well-known to analysts. When these adverse trends are taken into account, one conclusion in inescapable.

The stock market and economic fundamentals are on a collision course. One or the other will have to swerve. Either the economy will have to improve rapidly and unexpectedly and reverse its fundamental weakness, or inflated stock values are heading for a precipitous fall. The evidence suggests that the latter is more likely.

The first weak link in the "happy talk" chain is the nature of job creation. For example, it was reported that 288,000 jobs were created in June. But full-time jobs declined by 523,000, while part time jobs increased by about 800,000.

The widely reported increase in net jobs masked a disastrous loss of full-time jobs offset by a huge increase in part-time jobs. The part-time jobs offer fewer hours, lower pay, and fewer benefits. They may be better than no job at all, but they are not the kind of jobs that will support discretionary consumer spending on which the economy relies for growth.

This trend in part-time jobs is not new. There are 7. 5 million people working part-time on an involuntary basis compared with about 4. 4 million doing so in 2007. This rise in part-time jobs is expected to continue because it is driven in part by Obamacare, which does not require coverage for part-time workers. Employers are aware of this and simply cut full-time jobs and replace them with part-timers to reduce insurance costs.

Nor is there any comfort in the declining unemployment rate. Much of the decline is attributable not to job creation but rather to the decline in the number of people looking for work. Once people stop looking for a job, they are no longer technically "unemployed" and the unemployment rate drops even though no job has been found.

As columnist Mort Zuckerman said, "You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone stopped looking for work. " Only 62.8% of Americans participate in the work force today – the lowest level since 1978.

The news gets worse. Not only is labor-force participation low and full-time employment collapsing, but the productivity of those working is now in decline. This decline in productivity is another drag on growth. The reason for it is even more disturbing.

Productivity is declining because capital expenditures have slowed. Businesses are keeping up with demand by employing part-time workers instead of investing in the plants and equipment needed to make full-time workers more productive.

Not surprisingly, this triple-whammy of declining full-time jobs, declining productivity, and slowing capital investment means real wages are stagnant. If workers can't make more, they can't spend more without borrowing. Borrowing is more difficult because home equity has not recovered from the 2007 housing crash and lending standards are the most stringent in years. Companies won't invest in equipment if consumers can't spend.

The result is a death spiral of lower consumption, lower investment, declining productivity, stagnant wages, and underemployment all feeding on each other and making the overall economy weaker. This is the real reason for the shocking 2. 9% decline in first-quarter GDP. It was not the result of "cold weather," which, by the way, happens every winter.

There are other signs of ill health in labor markets. In a dynamic labor market, net job gains reflect large numbers of new jobs and lost jobs as employees confidently quit their jobs in the expectation of finding new ones.

But evidence reported by Goldman Sachs and James Pethokoukis of the American Enterprise Institute shows that job turnover has declined sharply as employees are extremely reluctant to quit their jobs in an uncertain environment. This tends to lock out the unemployed, who lose job-entry opportunities, and to weaken wage growth as employees lose leverage to demand raises.

Labor-force participation is unlikely to rise significantly partly because of generous benefits that provide an adequate lifestyle for those out of the labor force. The USA Has more than 50 million people on food stamps, 11 million on disability, and millions more on extended unemployment benefits. Prospective loss of these benefits creates a high hurdle to motivate a return to the workforce.

The news from abroad is no better. China is slowing precipitously and may be on the brink of a credit collapse. European growth is near zero and even the mighty German economy, the locomotive of Europe, is slowing partly because of weaker demand from Ukraine, Russia, and China.

Against this backdrop, mainstream voices are beginning to call USA Financial markets a bubble. The New York Times recently featured a front page story with the title, "Welcome to the Everything Boom, or Maybe the Everything Bubble. ".

The conservative Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland recently warned that stock markets had become "euphoric. " Even Janet Yellen of the Federal Reserve, the institution with the worst record for spotting asset bubbles, said that valuations of some securities "appear stretched. ".

So the conundrum is complete. Stock indexes March to all-time highs. Economic fundamentals fall apart. The two will be reconciled either with a spectacular turnaround in growth or a spectacular collapse in stock prices. The problem is that a turnaround in growth can only come from structural reform, not money printing.

Structural reform is the job of the White House and Congress, not the Federal Reserve. Since the White House and Congress are barely speaking, no help should be expected from that direction.

Therefore, a stock market collapse is almost inevitable and is probably coming soon.

This collapse will be the beginning of massive problems, so get ready.

Cheech.

[Willow1535]

North was convicted and admitted he broke the law. He did have his conviction vacated, but he and Reagan broke the law. Period. You other response says that you are okay with that, so I will move on. Breaking laws and lying to Congress appear to be okay in your book. What do you think about North using the ACLU? Now that is funny.

Your healthcare rant is just the same old. Well, for lack of a better word, propaganda. You're correct, it is your right to choose not to have healthcare, but it should also be the hospital's right to refuse care unless you can prove that you can pay for it. Even in the case of emergency situations. How would you resolve one of the biggest issues affecting our economy? Sit back and do nothing? That is exactly what the Republicans and some Democrats were doing.

By the way, you're not an unintelligent man because I say so, you are because you can't communicate in a proper manner. I teach my children that there is a proper way to exchange ideas and communicate with people. There is no reason for the name calling and vulgar language.

When you resort to those types of tactics, you are usually uneducated or lack self control. You can choose which one fits your scenario.

Good luck to you mate. Have a beverage this weekend and calm down a bit. Enjoy life.

If your conviction is vacated and record expunged you are no longer a FELON legal fact I curse because like Obama you speak half truths. Did he lie yes did he admit such yes did he break the law yes was his conviction overturned and record expunged and he by law is no longer a convicted felon yes Legal fact Don't tell someone he is a convicted felon when by LAW he has no conviction on his record. Unlike the President who has changed a law passed by congress some 40 times without going back to Congress the right way and has had SCOTUS slap his hands twice Hobby Lobby and recess appointments which both were illegal The man has no respect for separation of powers and believes the government has the right to tell it's citizens they MUST have health care set up the way the government wants it not the way we want it. AND if you don't get health care OUR CHOICE we have to pay a fine to the government because WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH CARE / OUR CHOICE. The government that governs best is the one that governs less. Look up that quote Almost everything the government has tried to control in this nation they have fucked up and are still fucking it up. Stay out of our personal health choices That is OUR business not theirs. And since you say so I am OBVIOUSLY and uneducated man because you say so and therefore I am what you say I am

[Cheech1]

I'm near Cleveland. And yes, teachers do get 100 k a year. Not all of them, but enough. On top of that, they get state pensions (stolen from taxpayers) and 2 months a year off. And take some time to check the stats on the educational achievement of blacks vs. White, Asian, Hispanic kids. And then check the stats comparing American kids to the rest of the world, we're not even in the top 10.

Cheech.

[PillowTalk69]

Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.

Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.

If your conviction is vacated and record expunged you are no longer a FELON legal fact I curse because like Obama you speak half truths. Did he lie yes did he admit such yes did he break the law yes was his conviction overturned and record expunged and he by law is no longer a convicted felon yes Legal fact Don't tell someone he is a convicted felon when by LAW he has no conviction on his record. Unlike the President who has changed a law passed by congress some 40 times without going back to Congress the right way and has had SCOTUS slap his hands twice Hobby Lobby and recess appointments which both were illegal The man has no respect for separation of powers and believes the government has the right to tell it's citizens they MUST have health care set up the way the government wants it not the way we want it. AND if you don't get health care OUR CHOICE we have to pay a fine to the government because WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH CARE / OUR CHOICE. The government that governs best is the one that governs less. Look up that quote Almost everything the government has tried to control in this nation they have fucked up and are still fucking it up. Stay out of our personal health choices That is OUR business not theirs. And since you say so I am OBVIOUSLY and uneducated man because you say so and therefore I am what you say I am

[Willow1535]

Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.

[SpartanKY]

I have to roll my eyes at my Republican and Tea Party friends in this topic. It's exactly the sort of knee-jerk, fact-free reaction you've been giving that is ruining our party. We need to be the party of freedom and liberty, not the party of "no".

Did you know that we proposed a plan that was identical to Obamacare back in 1994? The United States healthcare system is fucked. We spend twice as much on healthcare as any nation on earth, and yet our healthcare is only ranked 37th in the world. Fucking Costa Rica is ahead of us in the quality of the care that they provide. We're America! We're never supposed to be anything but #1.

At least Obama did something. And he did something using a plan that twenty years ago, our side championed. And now what? We fucking distract ourselves with constantly trying to repeal it rather than actually trying to fix the nation. We should be the party of freedom. Instead, we're the party of idiots.

[PillowTalk69]

So lying to Congress and breaking the law is okay; as long as your guy does it? You look up to Oliver North? He is an ex con. In regards to your healthcare changes, due to Obamacare, you are either a liar, not intelligent or have 20 dependents included in your coverage. If you are paying that much. Let's be real here.

You can't handle the truth I'm still waiting for my 2500 per year family deduction dickhead promised the families, being able to use my own doctor and hospital and would love to know what right the government has to choose my healthcare contained parts that I am fucking paying for. Same man who changed his own fucking ACA 40 times to make it say what he wanted it to without Constitutional authority. As far as North is concerned although originally found guilty on three charges tried and convicted and sentenced to three years of probation and 1200 hours of community service ALL CHARGES AGAINST HIM WERE DROPPED IN 1991 by Judge Gessell and his record was expunged Due your fuckiing research dip shit and don't let your mouth overload your ass You sound like a fking democrat member of the Obama administration

[Willow1535]

And you're not even good at it. If your premium went up that much and you stayed with it; no one can help you. Come on dude, let's at least be honest with each other.

Under Obama Care my co pay is now 9,345 dollars a year for the same coverage. I and my family also have to pay mandated pregnancy coverage even though I and my spouse can not have children Medical impossibility from a decade of testing Why we adopted children. I hate any party or it's leadership that lies about something as HUGE as health care which effects us all rich middle class and poor. Subsidized healthcare is even worse when it impacts themiddle class. According to the last poll 85 percent of all ACA healthcare recipiants are on subsidized health care which means taxpayers are paying for a bogus program. I want to choose my own doctor and my own coverage parts and the hospital I want to treat me. My rise in co pay is ludicrous and if you read the latest rise in premiums in the next year it is going to be unbelievable. The government has even lied and said there are 9 million new enrollees in ACA which is a lie There are 3 million only In 2013 by December the insurance companies cancelled over 6. 2 million policies With those cancellations and 9 million being thes current number only 3 million new enrollees have occured and most of them are subsized poor and medicaid with less than 25 percent being middle class The government needed 40 percent of young people and arent anywhere near it. When confronted with these irregularities and anamolies the President said on TV OH It appears I misspoke. NO MR PRESIDENT You lied like a dog to get your legacy passed that is nothing you presented it to be. Am I in favore of catestrophic health care YES Am I in favor of LEGAL AMERICANS poor or otherwise having health care YES Do I think predominantly one class or two be strapped with paying for the majority of everyone elses health issues NO.

[Willow1535]

So lying to Congress and breaking the law is okay; as long as your guy does it? You look up to Oliver North? He is an ex con. In regards to your healthcare changes, due to Obamacare, you are either a liar, not intelligent or have 20 dependents included in your coverage. If you are paying that much. Let's be real here.

No because Harry Reid and the Senate would protect his sorry lieing ass by not finding him guilty Just like Clinton was protected by the Senate even with proof just like OB. My comment on WMD was spot on 87 88 against the Kurds both Mustard and Sarin gas used Those are WMDs they were not found so who knows where the little rat bastard secreted them off to but he had them and some 5000 were killed with them. Yes Regan did lie to Congress about helping anti communists fight the communists in Central America Glad he did. Even Oliver North said if he had to do it over again to stop Communism he would More power to him. Nixon on the other hand misused his powers and spied on his political enemies just like the IRS targeted Obamas enemies When an American ambassador asks for security improvements and is denied three to four times someone dropped the ball and needs to go to jail. FOUR people died including the Ambassador. Who do ya suppose dropped the ball HILLY BABY Obummer, Maybe Susan Rice who was told to lie to the American public even after the security council knew it wasn't a fucking video that caused the attacks What a lame assed excuse. It is amazing what Obummer NEVER knows when confronted with what any president should know if he has a COMPETENT administration behind him but when their incompentancies are pointed out OH I have the utmost confidence in these people REALLY?

[Willow1535]

Teachers making a 100 k?

All takers my foot. Some things they try to force you to take, like Obummercare. The rest, theft at the point of a gun. I am not obligated to educate your children, but if you don't pay the property taxes, they will steal your property at the point of a gun. Are you getting the point? At the point of a gun, the government will do violence to you and your family if you don't pony up the money. Furthermore, the people who vote for these taxes often don't have the money that is being stolen to pay for them. You don't have the right to take your neighbor's money at gunpoint to guarantee the mortgage on your house, or to educate your kids. How then can you vote that right to others? You can't. Furthermore, as far as property taxes go, the renters who are fast becoming the majority in many areas have no problem voting for more taxes to give their children laptops, etc. The teachers unions strike for huge amounts of pay, yet the kids, especially the black kids, graduate without being able to read or do simple math. Yet the teachers get $100,000 a year to teach them. And the property owners get stuck with the bill. Its really good for our society to have healthy educated people? Perhaps so, but not on my dime. Don't steal my money, then print and borrow more and expect me and my grandchildren to pay it back.

Simply put, welfare in all its forms is theft. Neither you or anyone else has the right to make me pay for your healthcare, your kids education, your rent, your heat, your food, or anything else.


Cheech