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[AllTheTime]

Well, at some point it just becomes a pickup game.

I kind of see it like this:

1. You have girls who have a basic expectation that men want to pay them to fuck. This is your strippers and anyone else specifically involved in adult entertainment.

2. You have girls who understand that there's a certain amount of flirting and so on in their jobs, and while they don't go to work expecting to suck a dick, it *could* happen. This would be your Hooters Girls, Tilted Kilt girls, that kind of thing.

3. Girls in jobs where a young, pretty girl might interact with an older, wealthy man. Nature can take its course in that case. Bookstore clerks, shop girls, nail techs. Well, schools (bad idea!

4. Just meeting girls somewhere like a mall or club.

As you move from 1 through 4, you need a stronger and stronger pickup game (basically because the power differential between the man and the woman decreases as you move 1 through 4).

So, obviously, scenario 1 is you typical OTC. "How much does it cost to fuck you outside the club?" and now the negotiation is on.

Scenario 2 is pretty easy if you have a good rapport with the girl. I've just basically said "hey, when do you get off work" and go from there. I've even gone into a Hooters with an escort (after a good fuck session) and we talked up the hot ebony server and she joined us for a threesome after her shift (that was the Hooters on Tara Blvd. Not idea if it's still there.).

Scenario 3: I have bagged a few little Vietnamese spinners. When I was younger and fancier I used to go to this nail place on the upper level at Phipps Plaza for manicures, and there were some HOT LBFMs there. These girls work hard and play hard (if they're unmarried) and I fucked two girls there (one Vietnamese and one Cambodian). I mean not THERE, obviously. Somewhere!

Scenario 4: Well, now we're just walking up to women and picking them up. I did dodge a bullet once (I had a hookup planned with a Lexus spokesmodel I met at an event at Lenox who turned out to be 16! Yikes!) That's the Big Hazard of girls you just hook up with: age. When you're at an adult entertainment venue, they've already vetted the girl so you know she's legal. Be careful picking up the Starbucks barista or the girl you just meet in a bookstore aisle.

Of course, 2, 3, and 4 are kind of beyond the purview of this forum, since typically they aren't going to be compensated (ie. You're not paying her). Of course, that can be MORE expensive!

O.

I'd be careful of Hooters and Twin Peaks girls. Many I've met made a conscious decision to make their attractiveness work for them, but not in any way that smacks of the adult business industry. You want a good idea of the dynamic, watch an episode called "Raisins" on South Park (also quite funny).

[Ozymandias]

I've been trying to pick up girls for UTR because all the other sites have terrible selection.

What are some ways to do this other than hitting strip clubs?

Well, at some point it just becomes a pickup game.

I kind of see it like this:

1. You have girls who have a basic expectation that men want to pay them to fuck. This is your strippers and anyone else specifically involved in adult entertainment.

2. You have girls who understand that there's a certain amount of flirting and so on in their jobs, and while they don't go to work expecting to suck a dick, it *could* happen. This would be your Hooters Girls, Tilted Kilt girls, that kind of thing.

3. Girls in jobs where a young, pretty girl might interact with an older, wealthy man. Nature can take its course in that case. Bookstore clerks, shop girls, nail techs. Well, schools (bad idea!

4. Just meeting girls somewhere like a mall or club.

As you move from 1 through 4, you need a stronger and stronger pickup game (basically because the power differential between the man and the woman decreases as you move 1 through 4).

So, obviously, scenario 1 is you typical OTC. "How much does it cost to fuck you outside the club?" and now the negotiation is on.

Scenario 2 is pretty easy if you have a good rapport with the girl. I've just basically said "hey, when do you get off work" and go from there. I've even gone into a Hooters with an escort (after a good fuck session) and we talked up the hot ebony server and she joined us for a threesome after her shift (that was the Hooters on Tara Blvd. Not idea if it's still there.).

Scenario 3: I have bagged a few little Vietnamese spinners. When I was younger and fancier I used to go to this nail place on the upper level at Phipps Plaza for manicures, and there were some HOT LBFMs there. These girls work hard and play hard (if they're unmarried) and I fucked two girls there (one Vietnamese and one Cambodian). I mean not THERE, obviously. Somewhere!

Scenario 4: Well, now we're just walking up to women and picking them up. I did dodge a bullet once (I had a hookup planned with a Lexus spokesmodel I met at an event at Lenox who turned out to be 16! Yikes!) That's the Big Hazard of girls you just hook up with: age. When you're at an adult entertainment venue, they've already vetted the girl so you know she's legal. Be careful picking up the Starbucks barista or the girl you just meet in a bookstore aisle.

Of course, 2, 3, and 4 are kind of beyond the purview of this forum, since typically they aren't going to be compensated (ie. You're not paying her). Of course, that can be MORE expensive!

O.

[NeedSum123]

Just found this site been trolling list crawler and skip the games for a while haven't really had much luck but really have not tried hard. I been to the massage Places that used to be in commerce several times in the past bee. To a Latin apartment with a friend who took me in Duluth ca t even tell you where it is been married to long work to much wife too busy don't really want to spread myself around a lot work in Gainesville Jefferson area live there as well want to find one person I can hit up on the regular I. The area been reading and figure I need some references to get that far up the food chain commerce is doable but it's a sore spot for me with wifey.

[AllTheTime]

I've been trying to pick up girls for UTR because all the other sites have terrible selection.

What are some ways to do this other than hitting strip clubs?

Game, looks, and not too old. If you have at least two out of three, in the past I found some success with waitresses from say Denny's or Waffle House level (I know others say retail places like 7-11 or Walmart, but I've never known anyone whose had success outside a regular dating situation).

But strip clubs for me are way above other avenues for average monger. There are no law enforcement worries, you get to gauge level of drug abuse and ability to hold a conversation, and even how you interact physically. It doesn't always work, but for me by far best bet (which is one reason why last years COVID shutdown was a bummer).

[SlaughterGang]

I've been trying to pick up girls for UTR because all the other sites have terrible selection.

What are some ways to do this other than hitting strip clubs?

[Jrody1]

It's also shorthand to let US know that they're in the game.

Not entirely true mate. What do LEO agencies do as well while doing stings? Convince you they're legit so you'd come. You only know if they're "in the game" by your own research and methodologies of cancelling your doubts on their legitimacy. The entirety of their question from a legal perspective has no standing IMO. Idk where they learned that from. For instance one Latina apartment or maybe all of them do it. They ask are you LEO and what is your badge number. Only been to one Latina apartment that hasn't been reviewed here. Its where I met Camilla a Colombian in Doraville. They ask those questions as if it would save them or something if it were a sting or LEO. It doesn't aide them by any means.

I hope y'all know how to spot LEO stings as I have in the pass. Not even going to give those juices as I'm pretty sure LEO get on here.

[Niteluvr]

I got ghosted the other week when I replied, "I am too old and fat to be a cop".

Interesting. I usually reply with a similar response and it works. A simple 'no,' as Oz said, has not worked well for me. I use a lot of humor in my responses to texts as well as when I'm with a provider and it has worked well. If I can put a woman at ease, it's a faster path to her pussy.

[Ren Man]

I... they think it makes them sound more "legit" if the ad says "no law enforcement!

It's also shorthand to let US know that they're in the game.

[Sgt Lurker]

I got ghosted the other week when I replied, "I am too old and fat to be a cop".

One thing I've learned is that if you answer anything other than "no", it spooks them.

I had one text me once, "are you associated with law enforcement?" and I texted back "nope!" and she ghosted me. This was someone I really wanted to see (perfect little shaved ebony spinner, just what I wanted to order), and I finally argued enough with her that she realized I wasn't a cop. She became a reliable BBFS fuck toy, but I asked her why she thought I was LE, and it was just the flippant "tone" apparently. I guess the exclamation point didn't help.

So just a flat, level "no". Not "NO!" or "to the hell nah!" or anything cute.

As for why they ask this, it's not like it's the dumbest thing a prostitute does each day, and they don't exactly have legal counsel on retainer. It's just kind of up there with reliance on the "pull out" method for birth control (how many BBFS providers have asked you "just don't come in me"? Yep. Honorary Catholics!).

O.

[Peter Johnson]

Any advice for best way to initially contact and clarify any info which is most likely to end up in an agreement to meet?

I am not surprised they seem to be extremely flaky and chances of getting any response is a crap shoot. I can't imagine someone who does this for money is likely to be the most reliable person.

Tips for best way to communicate to get responses and to the point of ending up meeting?

And what sort of 'conversion rate' is normal? I. e of X providers contacted, how many end up responding and then actually meeting?

Initially contact with burner phone or something similar. Also use VPN. If you ever doing something conceivably not totally legal, in any jurisdiction, it is better to cover your tracks, where you can.

Also, do not discuss any sexual deeds in texting or on the phone, because that could be used against you, in a bust. But you can't do much about making them more reliable. A lot of these women are "crazy ******", plain and simple. The ***** part is great, but the crazy part is not.

I don't know what the conversion rate is, but it does take some time, and always be on the defensive and be prepared to walk away, if necessary.

[Peter Johnson]

It does nothing for them and they know it, but they think it makes them sound more "legit" if the ad says "no law enforcement!

I never thought of that, but I still think most of these girls are dumb as dirt, and they do think it magically protects them.

[Frankie14]

Ginger Taylor.

Got it. Never thought about looking under that tab, LOL!

[SkyWookie]

What is with providers saying 'No law enforcement' in ads or asking 'are you affiliated with law enforcement?' ??

Do they think a cop looking at an ad is going to say 'oh, they say no law enforcement, I guess I can't try to bust them. Damn. '.

Or when they text that question to a cop trying to set them up, the cop is going to say 'oh no, my plan is ruined. It is frustrating the legal system never anticipated this crafty question. It is a shame I have to always tell the truth.

It does nothing for them and they know it, but they think it makes them sound more "legit" if the ad says "no law enforcement!

[The Milk Man]

One thing I've learned is that if you answer anything other than "no", it spooks them.

I had one text me once, "are you associated with law enforcement?" and I texted back "nope!" and she ghosted me. This was someone I really wanted to see (perfect little shaved ebony spinner, just what I wanted to order), and I finally argued enough with her that she realized I wasn't a cop. She became a reliable BBFS fuck toy, but I asked her why she thought I was LE, and it was just the flippant "tone" apparently. I guess the exclamation point didn't help.

So just a flat, level "no". Not "NO!" or "to the hell nah!" or anything cute.

As for why they ask this, it's not like it's the dumbest thing a prostitute does each day, and they don't exactly have legal counsel on retainer. It's just kind of up there with reliance on the "pull out" method for birth control (how many BBFS providers have asked you "just don't come in me"? Yep. Honorary Catholics!).

O.

I've answered "no" then proceed to ask them the same question, only to be ghosted. Guess it doesn't go both ways for them. Or they were the cops and I cleverly thwarted their plan LOL.

[Hafron]

Any advice for best way to initially contact and clarify any info which is most likely to end up in an agreement to meet?

I am not surprised they seem to be extremely flaky and chances of getting any response is a crap shoot. I can't imagine someone who does this for money is likely to be the most reliable person.

Tips for best way to communicate to get responses and to the point of ending up meeting?

And what sort of 'conversion rate' is normal? I. e of X providers contacted, how many end up responding and then actually meeting?