Security and Legal Issues

**Bunker Buster** · 02-02-12 20:35

Way back in the early days of the information age (15 years ago) , I sent an email to an escort, and she replied that she'd be in my town soon if I wanted to meet up. My GF logged onto my email account and saw it, and asked me what it was. I looked at it, denied all knowledge, and sent an indignant reply asking that my email be deleted from her mailing list. Fortunately, one of my friends volunteered over dinner later that week that he gets porn, dating and pay-for-play spam all the time, and she bought his explanation. This was before spam filters, when CompuServe, Yahoo, AOL, and Erols were spammers' playgrounds. Sadly, I never got to meet the babe I'd emailed.

I learned a hard lesson after that lucky break, and have put a lot of time into developing privacy firewalls for hobbying. For those on the fence about getting a burner, if you ignore the advice in this forum, you deserve the hot water you end up in.

**Bunker Buster** · 01-27-12 22:56

Originally Posted by Guywoodson [View Original Post]

VERY good point. I had not thought of that at all.

However, a gift card does not require a signature at time of use, and you could easily have lost it and it was being used by somebody else. I agree that once questions are asked, you have problems, but from a legal standpoint, unless they have an in-store video of you using the gift card, then they cannot tie you to the purchase?

As far as in-store cards. I NEVER use then EVER, if they will not swipe one for me, I make them give me one every time which I leave on the counter afterwards. After a while they stop trying to force a card on me.

"Once questions are asked, you have problems." Two scenarios to consider:

1. SB gets pregnant and wants to connect SD's gift card to his real name to raid the bank account for 18 years.

2. The SB / escort you gave it to falls victim to a violent crime. If it's a homicide, the investigators find the gift card in her purse, and speculate it may have been given by a jealous boyfriend customer (a reasonable assumption) , who they'd like to talk to. Maybe she reports the card as one item stolen in a robbery, and when the police arrest the attacker, they try to validate the origin and purchase history of the card to tie it to the robbery.

Even though they ultimately establish you had nothing to do with the harm that came to her, and were just an innocent chump who gave her a gift to show gratitude for good loving, your name's been dragged into an investigation, or worse. Details in sordid sex-related crimes invariably end up in the papers. Cops curry favor with reporters by leaking salacious information.

A lot of these girls move in rough crowds and bad environments, and have a much higher likelihood of being in a bad situation than the general public.

I'd lump this in with buying phone minutes and paying for notel rooms. Credit cards leave long electronic trails.

**Member #5055** · 01-27-12 16:43

VERY good point. I had not thought of that at all.

However, a gift card does not require a signature at time of use, and you could easily have lost it and it was being used by somebody else. I agree that once questions are asked, you have problems, but from a legal standpoint, unless they have an in-store video of you using the gift card, then they cannot tie you to the purchase?

As far as in-store cards. I NEVER use then EVER, if they will not swipe one for me, I make them give me one every time which I leave on the counter afterwards. After a while they stop trying to force a card on me.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster [View Original Post]

If you buy a gift card with your credit card, the gift card is still traceable back to you. The date and time of gift card purchase / activation will correlate with your credit card transaction. The store's records could be subpoenaed in a paternity case (or other investigation) , and the next thing you know, you're answering questions you'd rather not.

If you're buying anything relating to hobbying, such as burner phones or cards for minutes, pay cash (and don't swipe your store card to get bonus points credit for the purchase). There's no such thing as "almost" off the grid; you're on or you're off.

**Bunker Buster** · 01-27-12 15:11

Originally Posted by Guywoodson [View Original Post]

OK. I'll be serious!

Here's a hint guys. Go to Food Lion. Get $100 Amex GIFT cards. Shows up on your card as grocery bill.

Then. Use with anonymity!

If you buy a gift card with your credit card, the gift card is still traceable back to you. The date and time of gift card purchase / activation will correlate with your credit card transaction. The store's records could be subpoenaed in a paternity case (or other investigation) , and the next thing you know, you're answering questions you'd rather not.

If you're buying anything relating to hobbying, such as burner phones or cards for minutes, pay cash (and don't swipe your store card to get bonus points credit for the purchase). There's no such thing as "almost" off the grid; you're on or you're off.

**Richmond Fotog** · 01-26-12 23:56

50 Sites Like Pipl.

http://www.similarsitesearch.com/alt...es-to/pipl.com

There's actually quite a few of the premium record sites not listed there.

How to remove public records from the Internet.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4947199_remo...-internet.html

**Richmond Fotog** · 01-26-12 23:39

Where were you last week during the orchestrated blackout to boycott SOPA and PIPA? They were House and Senate bills tgat dealt with privacy, intellectual property and piracy.

Sites like Pipl, Spokeo, Intellius, etc use web crawlers and search engines to aggregate data and gives you the link to the information. What information you post on a social network site or even a site like this shouldn't be aggregated by companies like Intellius, Spokeo etc for profit. I can support the "Free Internet," but not when it comes to snooping around to sell personal information. The First Amendment is often abused to protect companies like these.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

I'm not familiar with these terms, I'm afraid. Can you elaborate?

Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog [View Original Post]

SOPA and PIPA isn't a bad idea. They just need a better plan to make it work.

**Spitfire** · 01-26-12 21:07

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

I'm not familiar with these terms, I'm afraid. Can you elaborate?

SOPA is Stop Online Piracy Act.

PIPA is Protect Intellectual Property Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

**F Scott** · 01-26-12 20:57

Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog [View Original Post]

SOPA and PIPA isn't a bad idea. They just need a better plan to make it work.

I'm not familiar with these terms, I'm afraid. Can you elaborate?

**Richmond Fotog** · 01-26-12 18:38

http://www.reputation.com/

When you're done peeing away your money with sites like that you can find out how to easily do it yourself. Sites like Pipl just post links to sites that have already posted information obtained from "public information." Each of those sites have removal policies and procedures. Here's a tip: Google alerts is free and works well.

It's more important to know how they got all this information to begin with and how to keep it off the web. So, when you're joining all those membership sites to meet women, social sites like Facebook, Twitter, My_Space and any other public site make sure to read all the Terms of Service and Privacy Policies. SOPA and PIPA isn't a bad idea. They just need a better plan to make it work.

Do you really think that so-called "humanitarian" that owns all those dating sites keeps all of your personal information confidential? You may want to ask those site owners that Feds raid how that worked out for them.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Does anyone know of an erasing service, as he suggests?

**Ortho313** · 01-26-12 17:43

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

I checked it out and saw a link that said 'remove info courtesy of my privacy. Com' or words to that effect.

Costs $99 / year.

Ortho

**Spitfire** · 01-26-12 17:28

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

A sugar brother who has requested anonymity sent me a pm recently, part of which I am quoting here:

"In reading one of the sugar baby blogs, a very interesting website was mentioned that I checked out today and nearly wet myself. Have you ever heard of pipl. Com? It is a people search website, but, unlike other site's I have seen, this one has tons of information (read: of the incriminating type) available to the casual surfer without even getting into the purchasing of Archive. Com or the like. And I know this because I checked on myself, just using first and last names. Yikes! Everything, including EVERY addressed I have ever lived at, including the current one! Wife's name, my work place, everything! This is very disturbing even if I wasn't a player! All a disgruntled baby would need is the name off of a receipt, vehicle registration, credit card, etc and she would know everything. Not good! I know you preach the message of keeping sterile but it would only take one slip up. So, along with passing along this, I would ask if it is possible to erase this crap! Some sort of application, one time eraser service, something? Possibly one of the mongering crew would know."

I pipled myself, and he's right! Fortunately there are a lot of guys with my name across the country, and even quite a few in my area (who knew?) , but still, the potential for mayhem by an angry baby is out there. Does anyone know of an erasing service, as he suggests?

Best,

Scott

I checked it out and saw a link that said 'remove info courtesy of my privacy. Com' or words to that effect.

**F Scott** · 01-26-12 16:37

Gentlemen,

A sugar brother who has requested anonymity sent me a pm recently, part of which I am quoting here:

"In reading one of the sugar baby blogs, a very interesting website was mentioned that I checked out today and nearly wet myself. Have you ever heard of pipl. Com? It is a people search website, but, unlike other site's I have seen, this one has tons of information (read: of the incriminating type) available to the casual surfer without even getting into the purchasing of Archive. Com or the like. And I know this because I checked on myself, just using first and last names. Yikes! Everything, including EVERY addressed I have ever lived at, including the current one! Wife's name, my work place, everything! This is very disturbing even if I wasn't a player! All a disgruntled baby would need is the name off of a receipt, vehicle registration, credit card, etc and she would know everything. Not good! I know you preach the message of keeping sterile but it would only take one slip up. So, along with passing along this, I would ask if it is possible to erase this crap! Some sort of application, one time eraser service, something? Possibly one of the mongering crew would know."

I pipled myself, and he's right! Fortunately there are a lot of guys with my name across the country, and even quite a few in my area (who knew?) , but still, the potential for mayhem by an angry baby is out there. Does anyone know of an erasing service, as he suggests?

Best,

Scott

**Richmond Fotog** · 01-14-12 01:13

KAP is now part of NCSFreedom.

https://ncsfreedom.org/

ProCon.

http://www.procon.org/

Usually has some interesting debates:

http://prostitution.procon.org/

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

GW, your joke about lawyers actually raises a good question. There's a organization called KAP (Kink Aware Professionals) for medical professionals that are willing to respect the boundaries and privacy, and capable of treating the sometimes-unique issues, of those in the BDSM, LGBTQ and sex worker communities. (You might think that the Hippocratic Oath would make that true for all doctors, but many will avoid such patients in every way possible, and most aren't trained in the special needs of, for example, someone going thru a sex change.) I'm curious if something similar exists in the legal profession?

**CantWinLosin** · 01-05-12 21:36

GW, your joke about lawyers actually raises a good question. There's a organization called KAP (Kink Aware Professionals) for medical professionals that are willing to respect the boundaries and privacy, and capable of treating the sometimes-unique issues, of those in the BDSM, LGBTQ and sex worker communities. (You might think that the Hippocratic Oath would make that true for all doctors, but many will avoid such patients in every way possible, and most aren't trained in the special needs of, for example, someone going thru a sex change.) I'm curious if something similar exists in the legal profession?

**Member #5055** · 01-05-12 14:50

OK. I'll be serious!

Here's a hint guys. Go to Food Lion. Get $100 Amex GIFT cards. Shows up on your card as grocery bill.

Then. Use with anonymity!