Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Admin2]

So if your girls really are free to see who they want off here, post their phone numbers or have them post them and those of us who want to see them can do so on our terms, and give them ALL of the fee without them having to share it.

So in other words, to prove to you that they are free to conduct their business in whatever manner they see fit, they need to stop conducting their business how they want to, and start doing it how you want them to? Maybe I read that wrong.

Did you read the part where I said that I talked to Sasha personally and she told me that this is how she wants to do business?

Just wondering,

A2.

[PillowTalk69]

Why is everything you write one blob of nearly incomprehensible text? Breathe, dude. Use Paragraphs. Organize your thoughts and edit. Your posts are painful to read, and undermine any point you might be trying to make.

I guess what you are saying is that Rebecca's thank you messages to guys who went to the party, or for sessions, or whatever, seemed like form letters. Fair complaint, if it is true. However, you do suggest that it MIGHT be Buddah, rather than the more logical assumption that it might just be Rebecca who is being lazy (or efficient) with her thank you messages.

However, in your blob of text you also seem to have an aversion to Buddah / UTR. So, I find it hard to believe that there was no contempt or malice behind the insinuation that you believe it is, in fact, Buddah who posts for all the girls. And since it sounds like you aren't a user of UTR, it would then follow that you're knowledge of these "canned responses" must come from a group of dudes who are rubbing dicks behind closed doors via PM. This is... Weird... To me. But it suggests that you and your brofriends have spent more time discussing this and spreading it around (hence the rumors, I am guessing, which at some point must have trickled back to UTR, probably via one of the girls).

It's possible. He could post for the girls. But I think it seems needlessly complicated.

Also, as far as SB and CC are concerned, they'd have to tell Buddah a hell of a lot about individual sessions in order for him to make references to specific things to each specific guy. This seems like more work than it's worth, when you consider that giving them access to this site would be far easier. It isn't like board access would give them some huge motivation to just go independent. They spend hours with clients. During those sessions, they could easily feel out the regulars they trust, and give them a personal phone number. And really, there's no way that Buddah could stop them from getting on here.

I believe that the girls who use Buddah's services find it easier than managing their own business. Some folks are less entrepreneurial than others, and having someone on the team who is responsible for bringing in business and booking and scheduling, is a reasonable tactic. Have you actually MET Sasha or CC? If you had, you'd have a better understanding of the relationship. I don't get the feeling that either is afraid of him. Some people need a manager. Have you ever been your own boss? It's really fucking easy to just become very unproductive, when you can just jerk-off all day (or waste your time posting on internet sex sites, like this one... Ahem). Anyhow, the manner in which they conduct the business is secure and protects the girls from anything which would hold up in court, and even the locations are vetted by Buddah.

I've been more interested in the business tactics, legal considerations, marketing strategies, and human components of this business, than I have been fucking women. I can imagine that a provider who knows she wants / needs to do this, would find the whole business to be a bit overwhelming. The girls in UTR aren't the type to just risk their lives carelessly. I would guess that UTR provides a layer of security for them. They can tell you that Buddah won't LET them see you, when really they don't want your dirty old dick in them after it's been barebacking any hooker you can convince to take your money, and you can blame HIM for it. See, it's just like normal business. "I'm sorry, my supervisor won't let me do that".

See how easy and digestible my writing was? Do you not see how using things like paragraphs, and punctuation, makes language more palatable? I can insult you and you can actually READ the insult. So much better, no?

And no I have nothing against Buddah or his girls. Just posting an impression of copy and paste journalism by someone in his group. Since it is about illusion we all like to think we are special in some way but we know that is not the case. It is about BFranklin and the hunt for most.

Please notice the separation of the paragraphs made especially for you so that you will not be overwhelmed by endless run ons and lack of grammatical gymnastics to keep you intrigued and possibly bewildered. My equipment is quite clean thank you as I fuck only quality ladies not SW's, not BP ladies although there are some good ones there and am tested every 30 to 90 days which I doubt most ladies here are or the men who dip their wicks in them but that is pure speculation.

OMG another paragraph so that you can grasp the details. What Buddah and his ladies choose to think is their business. What I do and chose not to do is mine. Afford me that luxury and all will be well in fantasy land. Thanks for the paragraph suggestion and damn it really does work. Have a good day and week / weekend. Signing off and moving on.

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[Member #5522]

Rumors have been spread that I actually post as Sasha Rebecca and cupcake and that they do not post for themselves.

I have used Buddah since joining USA & have been with Sasha & Cccupcake numerous times. The comment of I don't hire them for their brains might have been a fair representation of his former providers but do not apply to either of the previously mentioned ladies. Either can carry on riveting conversation on various subjects & spending time with them is as enjoyable as allowing them to unleash the pleasure they can bring to your sessions with them. I have been with both so many times that I recognize their individual personalities in their thank you responses to the men who have enjoyed them.

[Utr In Ohio]

Sasha did...and came right back.

Cupcake will tell anyone she wouldn't do this without me.

And Rebecca might someday. Who knows?

Nadia, Jasmine (Carmen Perez), Tori Dixon, Cinnamon and many others started out with me.

Once they knew enough all went independent.

Why don't they post their numbers you ask?

Personal time and families to care for.

This may surprise you but all 3 girls who currently work with me have children and are regular loving caring parents who don't want to spend their every moment in a hotel room or answering calls and text from guys wanting to fuck all day and night.

Some reports I've read stated that girls sometimes have their children in the same house while they are doing business.

You might think that's okay but, its not.

Anyone who knows the girls know your full of shit and that Sasha Cupcake and Becca are only using my services because they wish to.

Now...I notice you never do reviews. Why is that?

[PillowTalk69]

01-11-14*15:55.

Puntang Man.

Senior Member.

Reports.

316.

Puntang Man.

Buddah when you post Rebeccas thanks to the boys.

For the football parties switch up the cut and paste responses LOL Also most people don't believe your girls contact anyone personally not even me so if Becca has free fun privileges have her contact me. Like the fact she is forty one and I do love my mature MILF fun when I can find it. Have a great new year and best wishes PT Man.

And I still believe it was either you or Rebecca If it was her then she needs to switch up her responses. I also don't believe your girls work independently of you or they would post their phones and see people either through you or on their own. If a lady wants to know who is safe and who is not she can come on here and do it just like the majority of women on here who are providers of quality and not SW's and do their own screening going through their sisters for vouches and vetting. They don't need handlers or agency screeners to get it done. Fact is neither handlers or being independent providers is without dangers so neither one is more secure than the other. As you told me on the phone I don't hire them for their brains which is true. You hire them for your cut of their or your fee. Nothing is free! So you may answer phones but you really don't provide an advantage they couldn't get from working with and through other women and they would get to keep their money all their money instead of cutting you in. Again "I don't hire them for their brains speaks volumes to me about you and it makes me think even more except for Cupcake and Sasha you may be doing some of your own thanks since Rebecca is the low dollar lady of the three. But it is their choice and Ce la Vie. Why I don't use you myself personally. I can speak to a woman as easily as anyone else can and go from there. So if your girls really are free to see who they want off here, post their phone numbers or have them post them and those of us who want to see them can do so on our terms, and give them ALL of the fee without them having to share it. Just my opinion. I have had my last say on this now you jump in and have your rant That is all I am going to say on you or your ladies and why I don't use them no matter how good they are. If they can't see who they want on their own or working with you and do both then there are plenty who will work independently of you and the other agency guys

[Member #4637]

I want to say that, from my experiences, Buddah is a top notch handler with a great sense of customer service. His girls are the highest quallity in every way, and I know for a fact that the PMs I've received from Sasha and CCCupcake are from them personally. Only they could have possibly known the content of their messages to me. UTR has been the easiest to deal with and I feel confident that as a customer, I'm receiving great service for a great value from a team that cares about my satisfaction. Just my 2 cents.

[Utr In Ohio]

01-11-14*15:55.

Puntang Man.

Senior Member.

Reports.

316.

Puntang Man.

Buddah when you post Rebeccas thanks to the boys.

For the football parties switch up the cut and paste responses LOL Also most people don't believe your girls contact anyone personally not even me so if Becca has free fun privileges have her contact me. Like the fact she is forty one and I do love my mature MILF fun when I can find it. Have a great new year and best wishes PT Man.

[PillowTalk69]

In a wad was, Whoever is posting the same response to her different clients should switch up the same worded responses and use a different appreciatation notice It looks too manufactured and not sincere If it was be then switch up the responses if it was one of the girls have them switch it up. I have no probems with whomever is writing the responses since I don't see your women due to your aversion to my likes. I do have issues with it being worded the same because it looks phoney as hell and reflects back on the man helping them to get more business. I believe it was Rebecca who was responding the same to her clients or at least 4 of them as I recall the same way. That is her choice it just looked manufactured. If it was you it looked phoney. Regardless of who it was it looked insincere. I have seen Sasha and Cupcake's responses and they vary in wording. I tried to tell you that and you got shitty so be it. Since I don't use you or your service it doesn't bother me but when someone gets shitty with me I hang up on their ass as I did you. My prerogative to do so. Thanks for the clarification A2 and though it doesn't solve anything I am sure whoever is posting the same or similar worded responses now can decide what she wants to do and not do. Have a good day and enjoy the week / weekend. PT.

[Wingman Todd]

I for one stand behind Buddah, Sasha, CC and Rebecca! He posts the ads and takes care of the other admin stuff, they post their replys to the boys! Simple as a pimple! Great group of gals who are associated with him bar none! Unfortunately knee surgery has kept me from having an open line to his "red" phone for scheduling any time soon!

WM.

A2,

Rumors have been spread that I actually post as Sasha Rebecca and cupcake and that they do not post for themselves. Could you please investigate my handle if there is anything I've done posting as one of the girls or anything else like that could you please publicly let the board know that I've done it?

These rumors are ridiculous I don't work with drug addicts therefore I let the girls post on the boards and I let them know what boards we are on their free to work for me or go independent.

I would really appreciate your help in resolving these rumors.

Thank You.

Buddah.

I can confirm this one thing, six months or so ago I called Sasha and asked about her return to UTR. She told me, that's me, not somebody else who later told me, that she decided to go back and work with UTR because she found value in the services he offered. (Scheduling, screening, answering phone calls) To the best of my understanding it's a mutually beneficial relationship. I can't speak to the fact that you never put up posts for them, however I know it's pretty common for schedulers to also manage online presences. I'm not saying you do that, just saying if that was part of the deal you have with them I don't see an issue. There is a difference between having your scheduler put up a post FOR you and somebody else posting about you.

The difference between an escort service and pimping is always about control. Do the girls chose who they see, when they see them, and what they do? In this Sasha told me she does, and Sasha at least, chooses to have somebody else handle the admin crap so she can focus on the work. I know lots of freelance software developers that do this exact thing.

I can't speak for the other girls because I've never talked to them. I will however renew my invitation to Sasha and Cupcake to use my shower at the Monger Mansion any fucking time they want to.

Just saying,

A2

[Utr In Ohio]

A2,

Rumors have been spread that I actually post as Sasha Rebecca and cupcake and that they do not post for themselves. Could you please investigate my handle if there is anything I've done posting as one of the girls or anything else like that could you please publicly let the board know that I've done it?

These rumors are ridiculous I don't work with drug addicts therefore I let the girls post on the boards and I let them know what boards we are on their free to work for me or go independent.

I would really appreciate your help in resolving these rumors.

Thank You.

Buddah.

I can confirm this one thing, six months or so ago I called Sasha and asked about her return to UTR. She told me, that's me, not somebody else who later told me, that she decided to go back and work with UTR because she found value in the services he offered. (Scheduling, screening, answering phone calls) To the best of my understanding it's a mutually beneficial relationship. I can't speak to the fact that you never put up posts for them, however I know it's pretty common for schedulers to also manage online presences. I'm not saying you do that, just saying if that was part of the deal you have with them I don't see an issue. There is a difference between having your scheduler put up a post FOR you and somebody else posting about you.

The difference between an escort service and pimping is always about control. Do the girls chose who they see, when they see them, and what they do? In this Sasha told me she does, and Sasha at least, chooses to have somebody else handle the admin crap so she can focus on the work. I know lots of freelance software developers that do this exact thing.

I can't speak for the other girls because I've never talked to them. I will however renew my invitation to Sasha and Cupcake to use my shower at the Monger Mansion any fucking time they want to.

Just saying,

A2

[Glockman]

Most girls, myself included, ask for more than just a handle on a site. Usually a name and a number must accompany it and some even go as far as asking the specific location in which he saw the provider in question. I couldn't imagine anyone claiming this as too much effort but to make the process simple and as secure as possible maybe a pm with your name phone number and references listed is the right way to go.

Luckily I haven't been asked for a reference in more than 15 years. Probably just as well as most of the numbers I have go bad in a couple of weeks. I guess that a provider dropping her phone in the toilet is an occupational hazzard. I would never give my name out though, that's asking too much. If a lady wasn't satisfied with my posts that I am neither an ax murderer nor LEO, I probably would skip her. Thankfully, most of the Memphis ladies either know me or have heard of me. BTW, in keeping with the rules as an honorary QCMS, here is another Glockshot of a Memphis lady. Decided not to use one of my prepaid tolls.

[Mbgbe696]

I just wanted to say that as a provider I have sent several of my gentlemen who do this on a regular basis to this sight to keep them safe. I would also have to agree to just politely tell them how to do the search. I would hate to hear that I sent one of my regs here and he was treated like shit and an asshole too. I also tell them about the search but I don't have time to explain how to do it. I just like to recommend a great sight to a great guy. I understand you seniors get very tired of same questions from newbies but it's not like you all treat the new providers like shit so why treat the newbies that way. A new person means possible new info. Who can't use new info. Don't get me wrong I love all you sweet and opinionated gentlemen. Just make it a goal for the new year to be a little nicer guys. IMHO.

That why I posted how to do a search.

Ref: After you sign in you can search a providers name in the escort, backpage, or ads section.

Go to that section, look at the upper right corner and type in name. You will have to wait 60 sec between searches.

[Tcoupe]

Anyone could look at a seniors name and reviews of providers they have given can take on there Identity for a date. I would think a Phone # on a PM here on the guide would be safer for the providers. They would know who they were dealing with at that point by the reviews they have given.

Just my 2 cents!

Yeap tried this the other day and it worked, been trying on and off all summer / fall / winter, got threw once, misspoke and she ended the call, and never answered again, I txt my handle, and pm'ed my number, got a reply the next day, now I just got to plan it out.

Once I gave reference, and the reference did not reply for like 6 hours, after like 1.5 hours, I txt the sp needing a reference, my handle and told her I would send a pm so she didn't have to search for me, I asked her to see if she was cool with any of the sp's I reviewed, she saw me based on the reviews I had posted, a few hours after I left she txted me and said my reference checked out, LOL.

[Sweet TnA]

Most girls, myself included, ask for more than just a handle on a site. Usually a name and a number must accompany it and some even go as far as asking the specific location in which he saw the provider in question. I couldn't imagine anyone claiming this as too much effort but to make the process simple and as secure as possible maybe a pm with your name phone number and references listed is the right way to go. A provider is perfectly capable of looking up info on the other, no doubt about that, but be as specific as possible when listing references. If you say you have seen Amber or Lexie. We all know there are a few numbers we could go through. The more prepared and to the point you are, the faster and more efficient most of us will be. It will likely pay off and with recent news some ladies may be even more cautious.

Doing this ahead of time will also cut back on the hassle when you only have an hr to kill.

I'm not certain, but I bet this method would also cut back on girls not answering their phone.

Anyone could look at a seniors name and reviews of providers they have given can take on there Identity for a date. I would think a Phone # on a PM here on the guide would be safer for the providers. They would know who they were dealing with at that point by the reviews they have given.

Just my 2 cents!

[ClassASweetie]

Anyone could look at a seniors name and reviews of providers they have given can take on there Identity for a date. I would think a Phone # on a PM here on the guide would be safer for the providers. They would know who they were dealing with at that point by the reviews they have given.

Just my 2 cents!

As a provider, if you are a member of this sight whether a reg or senior and have posts for reviews, I have no need to ask for a reference. Tho we advertise on BP often I also agree it isn't a safe sight. The men who call off that sight are usually the ones asked for refs. And that's just to make sure they safe to see. If they give a ref of a provider that isn't FS or is only massage, it's not acceptable. That's because if they ain't offering the FS then they can't actually say they are safe. IMHO.