"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Zcochran00]

On the Epic browser, this falls down for me at the point where he says 'you should see a tree' - I don't see a tree, it is just one string of characters w / o a line feed, so you can't see everything. I have searched for 'body' within that window and in some cases found the text the POT sent, but it's really tough.

Guess Epic doesn't have a very good version of the dev tools.

The response is in "JSON" format. You can copy the entire text into a JSON data viewer like http://jsonviewer.stack.hu/ to see it in the tree structure I described.

[BookerTNelson]

I can confirm that the area has countless SD's fighting for the same trickle of girls. This leads to the rampant GPS and flaking as you would expect. It's hard to establish a rapport when she's literally being peppered with new messages by the minute. The numbers used to favor the men but not anymore. SA tries hard to make it sound like a heaven for men but I can guarantee you that in our area it is now in fact a complete sausage fest.

Sausage fest or not, deals are still there to be had simply because 90% don't know how to talk to a non pro on a level that makes her comfortable.

[FarFarAway]

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

On the Epic browser, this falls down for me at the point where he says 'you should see a tree' - I don't see a tree, it is just one string of characters w / o a line feed, so you can't see everything. I have searched for 'body' within that window and in some cases found the text the POT sent, but it's really tough.

[EvilTmp]

Hey guys, long time no post. It's been a hell of a five years, but I'm actively back in the all-but-unrecognizable bowl. What a difference five years makes.

Between the rampant GPS of the Boston area, the slim pickin's of SNH where I'm based,

I can confirm that the area has countless SD's fighting for the same trickle of girls. This leads to the rampant GPS and flaking as you would expect. It's hard to establish a rapport when she's literally being peppered with new messages by the minute. The numbers used to favor the men but not anymore. SA tries hard to make it sound like a heaven for men but I can guarantee you that in our area it is now in fact a complete sausage fest.

[UKnowWho]

But this girl claims to be 18, in school, and just landed a part time job. Yet the way she talks you'd think she's been sugaring for years.

I met one SB who said she'd been on the site since she was 16, so it's possible. But I've also seen a lot of girls whose profile says they're 18 but their username says otherwise. E. g. There are three 18 year olds on the first page of search results for me, and their usernames are ashylnbaker00, simone2000, and taybae97. I'd bet anything that taybae97 is actually 21 but has figured out that 18 is the best age to be on the site.

Like I'm going to drive 40 minutes to treat an 18 year-old I've never met to a nice dinner, invest the scarce commodity that is my time and focus, plus pay for the privilege?

Why not? It sounds like your last SB relationship lasted five years, right?. The risk / reward analysis seems clear to me. That is, the risk that she ghosts you and your money was wasted is minor compared to the reward if she turns out to be a great SB for the next five years.

[Walruscl]

Hey guys, long time no post. It's been a hell of a five years, but I'm actively back in the all-but-unrecognizable bowl. What a difference five years makes.

Between the rampant GPS of the Boston area, the slim pickin's of SNH where I'm based, and the surreal warping of SA to dodge a FOSTA bullet, I'm finding this brave new world even trickier to navigate than before. Compounded by the fact that I'm not running a numbers game: I'm being choosy and trying to find an SB with long-term potential but who isn't absurdly expensive.

I also signed up for Secret Benefits, which is a smaller, slower-moving pond in my limited experience. I've only established contact with one potential so far, despite the fact that a lot of the time it's the SB's who initiate the conversation. Most of the time it simply goes nowhere. But the one I got traction with seemed promising. I was mostly intrigued because she's in the same town as my unicorn-of-yore, similar situation, similar age, and I can bring many of the same mentoring benefits to the table as I did the first time around. Pictures looked promising, her profile is a little in-your-face, but it's one of those profiles where they are trying to keep the losers at bay. It does have the "I know what I'm worth" red flag, which I initially decide to ignore.

After sending her a strong opener message, she immediately expresses interest and switches to text. Which is the phase where I prefer to try to scope out at least a little bit of chemistry before a next step. But trying to have a conversation that goes beyond 4-5 messages before she drops off for 12-18 hours is all but impossible. (there seems to be a growing category of SA girls who do this as well) Which means the only way to really figure out if there's anything worth pursuing is fast-forwarding to the NSA meet. Since I've also got a strong potential I'm talking to from SA, I propose that we meet sooner than later so that I can see if this is worth a course-correction.

That's where she springs the gem that all her dates are PPM. To which I tell her that I've structured past arrangements that way, among other possibilities. But that the first meet is NSA in order for both parties to determine chemistry and to explore what arrangement (if any) will work best. She comes back with that PPM is in place for every meet, including her initial ones, and they've all worked out pleasantly. And, get this: "I've never left my daddies empty-handed".

But this girl claims to be 18, in school, and just landed a part time job. Yet the way she talks you'd think she's been sugaring for years. The only thing that makes sense is I'm dealing with one hell of a bluff, and perhaps a young-but-savvy rinser. What makes even less sense is that she's in an area that's not exactly teeming with SD demographics, so I wonder how she's possibly finding a lot of overstuffed wallets.

You're all thinking: "this sounds familiar, just walk. " Which is likely what I'll do. Like I'm going to drive 40 minutes to treat an 18 year-old I've never met to a nice dinner, invest the scarce commodity that is my time and focus, plus pay for the privilege?

Long, strange trip.

[GolfMan57]

I had the exact same exchange scenario with her, right down to the cut&pasted spiel about 300 at the end of the first date for the second. I told her sorry, while I generally give a gift card at the M&G, I never pre-pay in any fashion, and that if that made her feel too much like a hooker, sorry. She thanked me and disappeared.

I got the same message. I didn't even respond. Surprised you got a thank you.

[CrazySpice]

Any trusted SBs around Roanoke VA area? PM info and SA profile name.

[RogerOver]

This procedure works to read messages but it takes lot of time to search and identify messages out of thousands of php scripting words. It would be worth if there is a way to reply messages. Do you know how to reply messages?

Unlikely. One is a GET and the other is a POST.

[JustLonely]

Just checking if you have the same experience. I find the girls that check the Friends With Benefits box are expecting to go to the FC with their SD. Ones who only check boxes that show they want a great lifestyle and all the goodies without offering something in return are more likely to have GPS. Does Friends With Benefits signal the same to you?

FWB is always good to see as an interest but you still need to have "game" to set yourself apart as one told me she got so many messages that she undid that box. I only have FWB and Discretion checked on my profile. So any POT that views my profile and continues to message me is usually open to intimacy.

[InTight]

Just checking if you have the same experience. I find the girls that check the Friends With Benefits box are expecting to go to the FC with their SD. Ones who only check boxes that show they want a great lifestyle and all the goodies without offering something in return are more likely to have GPS. Does Friends With Benefits signal the same to you?

[CantWinLosin]

Small talk and then the long message with expectations / rules. Although not asking for money for the meet, to schedule the second date requires a 300 payment upfront before the second date? Wants 600 per month but needs the 300 upfront. Am I missing something?

"I ask that on the first date we get to know each other & determine if we want to pursue an arrangement. By the end of the 1st date, if & ONLY if we both want to move forward I do ask 300 allowance which goes towards the monthly 600 that I ask for. This provides me with safety and comfort knowing you are genuinely interested in an arrangement and my value is not equated to simply sex=money. Otherwise I would just feel like a hooker. This is NOT upfront, it's only if we both decide to have a 2nd date".

I had the exact same exchange scenario with her, right down to the cut&pasted spiel about 300 at the end of the first date for the second. I told her sorry, while I generally give a gift card at the M&G, I never pre-pay in any fashion, and that if that made her feel too much like a hooker, sorry. She thanked me and disappeared.

[InTight]

I'm fairly certain my last renewal I got a prepaid card from walmart that was a AX bluebird that can be used internationally. A provider I've seen a few times actually told me about it when I renewedmy P411 membership and it worked for both, it's maybe $5 & reloads are free.

The AX Bluebird card requires a valid SS #. So it is not an anonymous card. If you are just trying to hide it from the SO then it may work, give them a correct SS # but a phony address. But hiding from other prying eyes it is not secure from identifying you. Besides I would be surprised if you gave American Express your SS # they wouldn't automatically know your address and call you out for the attempt to give them a phony one.

[EvilTmp]

Small talk and then the long message with expectations / rules. Although not asking for money for the meet, to schedule the second date requires a 300 payment upfront before the second date? Wants 600 per month but needs the 300 upfront. Am I missing something?

"I ask that on the first date we get to know each other & determine if we want to pursue an arrangement. By the end of the 1st date, if & ONLY if we both want to move forward I do ask 300 allowance which goes towards the monthly 600 that I ask for. This provides me with safety and comfort knowing you are genuinely interested in an arrangement and my value is not equated to simply sex=money. Otherwise I would just feel like a hooker. This is NOT upfront, it's only if we both decide to have a 2nd date".

These girls are getting creative. "This is NOT upfront" except she has you pay for the date before it happens which is the very definition of paying upfront (or at least half paying upfront). I wonder if the second date ever happens. To me this one has 'rinser' all over it.

[NeoDude]

Based on the treads below looked into this regarding suggested friends showing up if you are searching FB for SB accounts.

Looks like the best you can do are these settings in the image.

In theory FB says it will pick up only for friends of friends and not others. So hard to tell if your profile will show up depending on how big your circle is.

There are no other controls on this feature and essentially FB wants you to expand your reach, so they don't care to limit this.