Streetwalker Reports

[Sanosek]

I walked past Capp the other day. That place is big-time blocked off. From what I heard, the only ladies working that street these days are 5-O. The street is so well blocked off it makes me wonder how emergency vehicles can get down there. How to the cop cars get down there to bust anyone dumb enough to pick up a plain-clothe officer is beyond me.

[ClosetPervert9]

Is a German Brothel. It means Freikrperkultur, which translated means in Free Body Culture. Generally everyone who enters, even the girls, pays a cover charge to enter. Usually around 50. Some of the FKK are very upscale and have amazing spa like features like sauna, jacuzzi and steam bath, indoor and out door pools. Generally the women are totally naked walking around and some have on some sexy outfits. In the FKK there are a variety of drinks and food available. At meal times a full meal can be had and its pretty good food.

Now when you find a girl that meets your fancy, just go up and talk. Usually time in the rooms starts at around 50 for about 20 min but it won't be much. As in the hobby negotiate and prices rise quickly as the girls are independent. I paid 100 for a BBBJ from a girl that had literally just turned 18 a couple of days prior.

Now there are some lower level FKK that have reduced entry fee, and lower quality women. There are even some "red carpet" clubs where AO (Alles Ohne) or no condoms used so you can creampie until your heart is content. However, since AO is illegal in Germany you must be known or go in with a known guest to get this service. If you are not know chances are you won't even get past the front door.

Before COVID I used to make 5-6 trips a year to Germany to play. Usually spent 6-7 days each trip, hit a club every day and usually around 3 girls per day. Did that for 13 years, till my world came crashing down. (No it was not and STD).

There are also organized orgies, gangbangs etc all over Germany all the time. Some are filmed some not. Most follow the AO principal.

Thanks for this. I have family in germany who I've been meaning to visit and just got the clearance to take an extended time off to spend a few weeks with. I'll have to sneak away and see this for myself.

[SfoDavid67]

What is Fkk?

Is a German Brothel. It means Freikörperkultur, which translated means in Free Body Culture. Generally everyone who enters, even the girls, pays a cover charge to enter. Usually around 50€. Some of the FKK are very upscale and have amazing spa like features like sauna, jacuzzi and steam bath, indoor and out door pools. Generally the women are totally naked walking around and some have on some sexy outfits. In the FKK there are a variety of drinks and food available. At meal times a full meal can be had and its pretty good food.

Now when you find a girl that meets your fancy, just go up and talk. Usually time in the rooms starts at around 50€ for about 20 min but it won't be much. As in the hobby negotiate and prices rise quickly as the girls are independent. I paid 100€ for a BBBJ from a girl that had literally just turned 18 a couple of days prior.

Now there are some lower level FKK that have reduced entry fee, and lower quality women. There are even some "red carpet" clubs where AO (Alles Ohne) or no condoms used so you can creampie until your heart is content. However, since AO is illegal in Germany you must be known or go in with a known guest to get this service. If you are not know chances are you won't even get past the front door.

Before COVID I used to make 5-6 trips a year to Germany to play. Usually spent 6-7 days each trip, hit a club every day and usually around 3 girls per day. Did that for 13 years, till my world came crashing down. (No it was not and STD).

There are also organized orgies, gangbangs etc all over Germany all the time. Some are filmed some not. Most follow the AO principal.

[MongerSeeker]

Eros center.

There is a lot of advantages to a Eros centers. It eliminates the street girls. It does away with human trafficking. Massage parlors & brothels engage in human trafficking. This is one reason why I do not patronize those establishments. The other factors is that the Eros centers cuts out the pimps. The pim P.S. Are the worst aspects of prostitution. They abuse the girls and cause a lot of problems. There used to be a lot more local girls that were independent. These girls were the nicest & gave the best service as well. I have also heard that the pimps have been demanding that the girls charge a certain price.

https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Eros_centers_Laufhaus

FKK's brothels with mulitple girls working there.

[ClosetPervert9]

This is different from FKK, right?

What is Fkk?

[Rod1618]

You know, I've heard of this but never heard the term eros center. I would love to see this come to fruition. SF has one of the better chances of this passing but it's definitely an uphill battle.

This is different from FKK, right?

[ClosetPervert9]

They have Eros centers in Germany and they work well. The girls pay to rent a room & the guys pay a entry fee. They have them in Frankfurt & there is no more SW's.

You know, I've heard of this but never heard the term eros center. I would love to see this come to fruition. SF has one of the better chances of this passing but it's definitely an uphill battle.

[MongerSeeker]

They have Eros centers in Germany and they work well. The girls pay to rent a room & the guys pay a entry fee. They have them in Frankfurt & there is no more SW's.

Not sure how an Eros center would work -- I think it would be end up being a race to the bottom. I think decriminalizing what happens between two people in private along with enforcement on the street is a viable option.

[ClosetPervert9]

It has been a long while since I did the SW thing in SF, it was sublime and coat effective back in the day, but just soo iffy now. I've dabbled, but much prefer the escort / PD thing these days.

One thing I have never understood about having the "track" be around Capp / Shotwell and 17th-20th street, or any other residential street / area for that matter, is why not choose somewhere that isn't going to directly impact the neighborhood residents and cause all the conflict? I mean, I'm a monger and I wouldn't really want that activity and dynamic going on in front of my house. At least not all the time.

It made more sense back then b / c that area was pretty sketchy, but those are $million homes and lofts and the neighborhood just isn't conducive to that any more. Forget the downtown / Tenderloin section also, there is (was never) anywhere good to park and traffic now makes any slow roll / look impossible before 2:00 am.

Why not move it to someplace / anyplace like:

-Cesar Chavez. East of 101 close to where it meets Connecticut.

-India Basin. Cargo Way, Evans, Mendell, Jennings, Innes.

-Candlestick I know it is getting developed, but for now) - distant end of Gilman to Hunter's Point Expressway.

-Mission. Non-residential stretch of Alemany from San Jose /280 to Naglee.

-Mission. Even 16th street between 101 and South Van Ness would be a LOT better.

Why does it persist right on people doorsteps / driveways / stoops / front windows / sidewalks where it will inevitably cause friction, complaints, conflict, shutdowns, etc. ?

Anyone?

It was in a few other places but capp street is a well known track. Keep in mind the mission was the mexican part of town so its easy to imagine this would be a spot where prostitution wouldve been pushed. This past decade has had so many squeezes to end sex work so they're just being pushed to the more famous parts. People travel from other cities to walk capp, not to walk polk or the TL. The full answer is probably more complex than that but still.

[LookingX]

Not sure how an Eros center would work -- I think it would be end up being a race to the bottom. I think decriminalizing what happens between two people in private along with enforcement on the street is a viable option.

Eros centers would be the ideal solution would be the ideal solution. The police would crack down on street prostitution and tell them they have to work in a Eros center building if they want to work legally. The advantage is that it takes prostitution of the streets and gets rid of pimps. There would be a redlight district. But legalized prostitution could only take place in the Eros centers. The other advantage is that guys would no longer have sex in their cars on the streets. It would also reduce the police resources for prostitution. This would also be a good way of getting rid of massage parlors with prostiutes as well.

[HobbymanCA90]

I agree. Cracking down on prostitution is easy low risk way to create good PR. I am also guessing that more girls are in SF due to the recent crackdown in Oakland. The locals are a bit shocked simply because there has not been many SW's working The other problem is that the SW's dress so scantily and are so blatant about.

It has been a long while since I did the SW thing in SF, it was sublime and coat effective back in the day, but just soo iffy now. I've dabbled, but much prefer the escort / PD thing these days.

One thing I have never understood about having the "track" be around Capp / Shotwell and 17th-20th street, or any other residential street / area for that matter, is why not choose somewhere that isn't going to directly impact the neighborhood residents and cause all the conflict? I mean, I'm a monger and I wouldn't really want that activity and dynamic going on in front of my house. At least not all the time.

It made more sense back then b / c that area was pretty sketchy, but those are $million homes and lofts and the neighborhood just isn't conducive to that any more. Forget the downtown / Tenderloin section also, there is (was never) anywhere good to park and traffic now makes any slow roll / look impossible before 2:00 am.

Why not move it to someplace / anyplace like:

-Cesar Chavez. East of 101 close to where it meets Connecticut.

-India Basin. Cargo Way, Evans, Mendell, Jennings, Innes.

-Candlestick I know it is getting developed, but for now) - distant end of Gilman to Hunter's Point Expressway.

-Mission. Non-residential stretch of Alemany from San Jose /280 to Naglee.

-Mission. Even 16th street between 101 and South Van Ness would be a LOT better.

Why does it persist right on people doorsteps / driveways / stoops / front windows / sidewalks where it will inevitably cause friction, complaints, conflict, shutdowns, etc. ?

Anyone?

[MongerSeeker]

I agree. Cracking down on prostitution is easy low risk way to create good PR. I am also guessing that more girls are in SF due to the recent crackdown in Oakland. The locals are a bit shocked simply because there has not been many SW's working The other problem is that the SW's dress so scantily and are so blatant about.

I would be down for that but I just can't see too many biting that bullet as they aren't able to tackle any issues serious issues. If there aren't johns to bust that means police will have to actually engage with real dangerous character. (I'm obviously jaded and as you can't tell am biased) That aside, I wouldn't mind seeing it. I would probably take out a loan to run a business in the Eros zone but I'm still of the belief that most efforts around prostitution on an institutional level is PR a lip service to placate those who say they aren't accomplishing anything. "We arrest 20 onlookers at a side show recovered 1. Gun and impounded 6 cars. We arrested 5 prostitutes and fined 18 johns" Nothing about gang violence, the influx of ghost guns, or solved murders.

Before I get too critical and political I'm going to look this up and see if I can find anything more about this. I'll support however I can if it's at a point that support can be given on a citizen level. Thanks for bringing it up and please keep us up to date if you hear anything else.

[ClosetPervert9]

Eros centers would be the ideal solution would be the ideal solution. The police would crack down on street prostitution and tell them they have to work in a Eros center building if they want to work legally. The advantage is that it takes prostitution of the streets and gets rid of pimps. There would be a redlight district. But legalized prostitution could only take place in the Eros centers. The other advantage is that guys would no longer have sex in their cars on the streets. It would also reduce the police resources for prostitution. This would also be a good way of getting rid of massage parlors with prostitutes as well.

I would be down for that but I just can't see too many biting that bullet as they aren't able to tackle any issues serious issues. If there aren't johns to bust that means police will have to actually engage with real dangerous character. (I'm obviously jaded and as you can't tell am biased) That aside, I wouldn't mind seeing it. I would probably take out a loan to run a business in the Eros zone but I'm still of the belief that most efforts around prostitution on an institutional level is PR a lip service to placate those who say they aren't accomplishing anything. "We arrest 20 onlookers at a side show recovered 1. Gun and impounded 6 cars. We arrested 5 prostitutes and fined 18 johns" Nothing about gang violence, the influx of ghost guns, or solved murders.

Before I get too critical and political I'm going to look this up and see if I can find anything more about this. I'll support however I can if it's at a point that support can be given on a citizen level. Thanks for bringing it up and please keep us up to date if you hear anything else.

[MongerSeeker]

Eros centers would be the ideal solution would be the ideal solution. The police would crack down on street prostitution and tell them they have to work in a Eros center building if they want to work legally. The advantage is that it takes prostitution of the streets and gets rid of pimps. There would be a redlight district. But legalized prostitution could only take place in the Eros centers. The other advantage is that guys would no longer have sex in their cars on the streets. It would also reduce the police resources for prostitution. This would also be a good way of getting rid of massage parlors with prostiutes as well.

A legal district would be cool but probably wouldn't fly.

[ClosetPervert9]

Part of the problem is the girls are so blatant these days. When the girls stand in the streets & dress so scantily they rile up the locals. Personally I wish LE would give them tickets for standing in the street. The city supervisor suggested establishing legal red light district for SF.

A legal district would be cool but probably wouldn't fly.