Just a warning, you don't have to exchange $ to get busted in a sting. You just have to discuss a sex act for an amount of money. Your proof she isn't a cop is when she gets in the car and you drive off. Even if she's superhot and you want her bad, don't talk prices or services until she's in the car. Yes, this makes it harder to negotiate. Still much easier and much much cheaper than paying a lawyer to negotiate with the the for a plea deal. Just ask, "would you like a ride?" or if it's cold out "Would you like a ride in a warm car with heated seats?" If she starts talking money for services say, "No thank you" loud enough that it'll be clear on her hidden mic. If she isn't LE she needs to learn this lesson anyway. Negotiating through the window is a big no no for you and her.
Oh yea, that's true. I won't lie, I've had a quick one sentence convo here and there because some girls are afraid that I'm a P because of the way I dress and the way that I'm nice but cool (or so I'm told.) But generally, no money or services are discusessed untill I hit my next right turn.
When you get the eye contact, already know. Are you willing to pay 120 if she quotes you something higher than you wanted to pay, don't haggle. Just say that's x more than I was planning to spend on a date and politely bid farewell. If she says alright that'll do then cool. Make sure she's in the car and your car is moving before you hand her the money.
Just a warning, you don't have to exchange $ to get busted in a sting. You just have to discuss a sex act for an amount of money. Your proof she isn't a cop is when she gets in the car and you drive off. Even if she's superhot and you want her bad, don't talk prices or services until she's in the car. Yes, this makes it harder to negotiate. Still much easier and much much cheaper than paying a lawyer to negotiate with the the for a plea deal. Just ask, "would you like a ride?" or if it's cold out "Would you like a ride in a warm car with heated seats?" If she starts talking money for services say, "No thank you" loud enough that it'll be clear on her hidden mic. If she isn't LE she needs to learn this lesson anyway. Negotiating through the window is a big no no for you and her.
So how do we mongers get the max value, most bang for the buck? What should we strategy be? Go weekday nights?
Everyones strat will be diffierent depending on who's willing to talk to you, awhat you want, and what you prioritize.
If I had to give a base level strat, know how much you're ready to spend and for what. Know roughly what you're looking for lookswise, whether that's height, boob size, race whatever. Just have a general idea. Spin the block. Have your window down and make eye contact when pulling up. If she walks away, she doesn't fuck with your age group, your race, your car whatever. Fuck her theres plenty more. Have one or two go to places on both ends of the track so if you're on capp have one incase you're closer to the armory and have one incase you're closer to the ceaser chavez. If on inty have an idea of roughly where you will take them.
When you get the eye contact, already know. Are you willing to pay 120 if she quotes you something higher than you wanted to pay, don't haggle. Just say that's x more than I was planning to spend on a date and politely bid farewell. If she says alright that'll do then cool. Make sure she's in the car and your car is moving before you hand her the money. Cop a feel to help her know you're not a cop and vice versa. (and remember she may know you're not a cop but she still might think you're a P so you're not home free yet.) If you have a special request tell her immediately as you're pulling off if she says no you can offer her extra if you'd like or you can release her to the wild. If she says go over here, just tell her you have a spot already and reassure her that its nearby so she doesn't worry that this is a kidnapping / taking you home to meet momma 20 minutes away cause she's already thinking about getting back on the track at this point for her next buck.
Some girls are cool with you having your own condom and a lot aren't up to you. Do the deed and watch your damn center consoles, gloveboxes, change in the door, etc. Because a lot of girls don't snatch shit and try to hide it but enough do that you should be caustion. Also watch that she don't leave anything you don't want someone finding in your car. A friend (I swear it wasnt me guys - . Please believe me) once let a girl leave a bloody napkin in the car. I guess period prostitution.
To summarize develope your own strats but I would start on; Have a type, a price, and a service in mind. Drive around once so you can get a lay of the land while also checking for uncle LEO. Just incase he brought his pet scorpioin, because while you can survive a scorpion sting I think we'd all like to avoid. Make eye contact and don't drive too far. Make it easy for her to get to you quickly and get in quickly so you can pull off quickly. Cop a feel have the super short convo and head to your spot. Do the deed drop her off, ask for her number or social. Make sure you do this on your burner phone with burner social accounts. Come home, and report on this website so we know who's a good time, who to avoid, and so next time you ask a question people feel comfortable enough to answer you in detail. That's how you pay my wall of text forward. Come to the site and post your experiences so we can learn what's happening outside of our own experiences. YMMV as always.
I rarely go out dring the "supreme weekend hours on inty" I don't really like dealing with the long long line of cars with the amount of attention grabbing actions of drivers. If you bargain, you're likely going to have a less than emmaculate session. Cardates are much less comfortbale than a house, you'll have to adjust. Sometimes they won't let you undress them and so if you want to ask / establish that when you pick them up, not a bad idea.
So how do we mongers get the max value, most bang for the buck? What should we strategy be? Go weekday nights?
Thanks Bro for your detailed note, it will be very helpful for relatively new mongers like us.
Yesterday visited the Inty again. It was Friday night and there were plenty of SW on the strip & inner lanes. Could be 50 or more. Majority were BSW, few WSW & few Mexican. There was so much traffic that it was almost a Jam on inner lanes.
Approached one, but it started with 12 o this time. She didn't budge to 1 oo. Hence skipped and started approaching other SW. Finally picked one on as did the deed on backseat at secluded spot. But it was not comfortable & relaxing in the car.
So many issues I observed:
1. As soon as donation is made, attitude changes.
2. Will not remove top.
3. Don't press hard.
4. Make it quick.
5. You are taking lot much time.
6. I am leaving.
7. Will not go to back seat.
It is more of frustrating rater then relaxing.
It seems Friday eve should be avoided and should go in Weekdays and early morning 3:00 AM. Then chances are higher of getting better service as well as charges.
TC & Stay safe.
I rarely go out dring the "supreme weekend hours on inty" I don't really like dealing with the long long line of cars with the amount of attention grabbing actions of drivers. If you bargain, you're likely going to have a less than emmaculate session. Cardates are much less comfortbale than a house, you'll have to adjust. Sometimes they won't let you undress them and so if you want to ask / establish that when you pick them up, not a bad idea.
Thanks Bro for your detailed note, it will be very helpful for relatively new mongers like us.
Yesterday visited the Inty again. It was Friday night and there were plenty of SW on the strip & inner lanes. Could be 50 or more. Majority were BSW, few WSW & few Mexican. There was so much traffic that it was almost a Jam on inner lanes.
Approached one, but it started with 12 o this time. She didn't budge to 1 oo. Hence skipped and started approaching other SW. Finally picked one on as did the deed on backseat at secluded spot. But it was not comfortable & relaxing in the car.
So many issues I observed:
1. As soon as donation is made, attitude changes.
2. Will not remove top.
3. Don't press hard.
4. Make it quick.
5. You are taking lot much time.
6. I am leaving.
7. Will not go to back seat.
It is more of frustrating rater then relaxing.
It seems Friday eve should be avoided and should go in Weekdays and early morning 3:00 AM. Then chances are higher of getting better service as well as charges.
Staying alone doesn't make it safer. In fact the opposite. I wasn't warning you about roommates. If one of these girls have a db, they'll sell you out. In the same way if a cop says its you or her, you're not going to go down together, you'll say take her. So that's what I was referring to, blackmail is a possibility but more importantly unrequested visits by her or by her and her entourage is what you risk by bringing them to your home. While a room isn't necessary, it really is up to you to determine your preference. I can fight but I don't want to have to fight a boyfriend in my house further more I have guns but I'm not a great shot with most of them. And now this is too heavy of a conversation for what should have been a hundred dollar hummer in a semi shadowy parking lot.
No real negotiation tips except for late night runs, you might be able to talk someone down by 10-20 if you're a cheapo. Most girls have a set number they're trying to make a night. If they've been out for a while and haven't made it yet they may be a little easier to talk down on the flip side they may be a. Little more desperate and refuse to take less because they're playing catch up at that point.
100 is more or less the going rate. The old rate was 80 but most have moved to the 100 rate and a few have moved to 120 rate. Typically if you're a minority or someone they don't want to deal with they'll usually tack on 20 dollars to their standard rate. So if you're a younger fella and she prefers older men instead of 100 she may charge you 20, or if you're black and she usually avoids black customers instead of 120 she'll charge you 140. Of course she won't tell you this. This is information told to me by a few Inty Swans, one latin, one black, and one who may have been Philippina or may have been Mexican but ended up talking to much and was probably my least enjoyable Inty experience. Haven't seen her out in months so I think she's left the scene (thankfully.) At any rate take that information and advice with a grain of salt, YMMV, yadda yadda yadda.
I'm just saying this because I've not seen it said. The majority of the SWs on E14 international are not AA ok. I'd say this is true with 70-90% after the big culling season in 2018. This also extends to indians and paki's with darker skin. Just be cool, understand that they ignore a lot of people just looking and not seriously buying or that are young guys in a car with three other guys. Don't take it personally, they likely are trying to avoid P's. It's also getting to the point where younger white guys are getting ignored as well. They like us older gentlemen it seems but there are still plenty of girls for you younger bucks. If you do find that you have trouble picking up girls on E14 then SF and Vallejo should prove much easier hunting grounds.
Pros and cons of a trip to SF is there are plenty to choose from and plenty of quality selections. Unfortunetly the neighborhoods are harder to find duck off spot to get the deed done and DB's and P's are often times visible and while most girls won't be near either, from time to time the one you want may be next to one.
Pros and cons of a vallejo Plenty of space and opportunity to get the deed done in peace and comfort. The stretch is less populated and there is a lack of variety in SWan flavors.
Richmond is basically dead and while you can find the loose straggler here or there, it's probably not worth the extra work. Safe hunting out there.
SF has plenty to choose from? It's my understanding that the SW scene in SF has been dead for years Where are you talking about?
This ought to be in the massage forum. Ocean spa in Pinole has always been a waste. Their ads have said "new management" for years now. There really aren't any FS spas in the East Bay north of Oakland. Except Lotus in El Sobrante, and they consistently get bad reviews. Got to go to Oaktown or Vallejo for that. El Cerrito has lots of HJ spots.
This should be in th emssage thread so I recommend checkign over there because there are a few FS spots here and there in the upper east bay.
Thanks bro for your advice. I will be careful next time onwards. I stay alone, hence though home is a safe place. But will look for room.
Any tips for negotiating with these SW? Is 1oo reasonable or is it high with current market situation?
TC & Stay Safe.
Staying alone doesn't make it safer. In fact the opposite. I wasn't warning you about roommates. If one of these girls have a db, they'll sell you out. In the same way if a cop says its you or her, you're not going to go down together, you'll say take her. So that's what I was referring to, blackmail is a possibility but more importantly unrequested visits by her or by her and her entourage is what you risk by bringing them to your home. While a room isn't necessary, it really is up to you to determine your preference. I can fight but I don't want to have to fight a boyfriend in my house further more I have guns but I'm not a great shot with most of them. And now this is too heavy of a conversation for what should have been a hundred dollar hummer in a semi shadowy parking lot.
No real negotiation tips except for late night runs, you might be able to talk someone down by 10-20 if you're a cheapo. Most girls have a set number they're trying to make a night. If they've been out for a while and haven't made it yet they may be a little easier to talk down on the flip side they may be a. Little more desperate and refuse to take less because they're playing catch up at that point.
100 is more or less the going rate. The old rate was 80 but most have moved to the 100 rate and a few have moved to 120 rate. Typically if you're a minority or someone they don't want to deal with they'll usually tack on 20 dollars to their standard rate. So if you're a younger fella and she prefers older men instead of 100 she may charge you 20, or if you're black and she usually avoids black customers instead of 120 she'll charge you 140. Of course she won't tell you this. This is information told to me by a few Inty Swans, one latin, one black, and one who may have been Philippina or may have been Mexican but ended up talking to much and was probably my least enjoyable Inty experience. Haven't seen her out in months so I think she's left the scene (thankfully.) At any rate take that information and advice with a grain of salt, YMMV, yadda yadda yadda.