Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[SimonPieMan]

If she aimed that gun at me, I'd have pulled mine out and shot her. They were on the fucking sidewalk.

Hopefully this is more clear.

[D Nut]

Number of problems here; what is your definition of like levels of threat? Almost all use of deadly force is used when you deem your life at risk! If I see your point your saying that ten people versus one means you have to fist fight all ten? No! Common sense should lead you to truth. Now was it right to pull out heavy artillery as they went by no, but I'm sure because of other issues that happened throughout the city they didn't want their property getting fucked up. It only takes one instigator to gets things to tip over the edge. That's the main reason crowd control used to be a big thing, to keep things at a minimum. Now it's like we will put up fences etc, but after that fuck it.

None of the trespassers were convicted because of fear of further racial tensions escalating.

Next issue I'm sure you know since you posted but if the gated community is private with its own paid for maintenance then the entire property is private property, but based on your statement means you know that the city performs all street maintenance like potholes, snow removal etc. I'm not in the know of those facts, but I do know 99% of truly gated communities are all private that's what they pay for!

The reason the court ruled the way that it did was, despite a large group of people walking past their house, there wasn't any proof that they or their property were in any danger. They (the couple) went out and brandished their weapons despite that no one was on their property, no was was destroying their property, no one was coming up to their door, and there was no evidence that they were in any danger. By all accounts people were just walking past them. They (the couple) pointed weapons at people who, by all evidence, were just walking past. Any threat that they perceived wasn't because of any overt action directed at them or their property. As the judge stated in his ruling, people walking past your house does not give you the right to threaten them.

Self-defense only applies if there is an imminent threat. There wasn't. They may say they felt threatened, but without that overt act directed at them, there was none. Thus, the court ruled, that they (the couple) were guilty.

[Twisted69]

Unarmed people cut through a "gated" community. Big deal. Normal procedure is they are asked to leave. They get fined if they don't.

I've been through "gated" communities up here in northern Cinci and never once has anyone said a thing. Course, I'm not black. And the remedy is certainly not pointing guns, AR or not, at someone.

There is a thing in the law about defending yourself and it has to do with like levels of threats. Clearly, a group was trespassing and broke the law, and another group used excessive levels of response and they broke the law. That's it.

Number of problems here; what is your definition of like levels of threat? Almost all use of deadly force is used when you deem your life at risk! If I see your point your saying that ten people versus one means you have to fist fight all ten? No! Common sense should lead you to truth. Now was it right to pull out heavy artillery as they went by no, but I'm sure because of other issues that happened throughout the city they didn't want their property getting fucked up. It only takes one instigator to gets things to tip over the edge. That's the main reason crowd control used to be a big thing, to keep things at a minimum. Now it's like we will put up fences etc, but after that fuck it.

None of the trespassers were convicted because of fear of further racial tensions escalating.

Next issue I'm sure you know since you posted but if the gated community is private with its own paid for maintenance then the entire property is private property, but based on your statement means you know that the city performs all street maintenance like potholes, snow removal etc. I'm not in the know of those facts, but I do know 99% of truly gated communities are all private that's what they pay for!

[RogerOver]

Posting for a friend.

If she aimed that gun at me, I'd have pulled mine out and shot her. They were on the fucking sidewalk.

[MarkDean]

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community.

None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

Feet off the curb and on the property is trespass.

[MarkDean]

Unarmed people cut through a "gated" community. Big deal. Normal procedure is they are asked to leave. They get fined if they don't.

I've been through "gated" communities up here in northern Cinci and never once has anyone said a thing. Course, I'm not black. And the remedy is certainly not pointing guns, AR or not, at someone.

There is a thing in the law about defending yourself and it has to do with like levels of threats. Clearly, a group was trespassing and broke the law, and another group used excessive levels of response and they broke the law. That's it.

They were a obvious threat. And as you can see they were at that location to do just that. I feel that you are on my yard to cause trouble, trouble will fine you. One toe on the property is enough. You are either pregnant or you are not. Can't be just a little bit pregnant.

[BengalMan]

You tell me man, here is the footage, were they on their property or not? Because you are correct, that is the difference between crime and no crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EWJ7L6O91c

Unarmed people cut through a "gated" community. Big deal. Normal procedure is they are asked to leave. They get fined if they don't.

I've been through "gated" communities up here in northern Cinci and never once has anyone said a thing. Course, I'm not black. And the remedy is certainly not pointing guns, AR or not, at someone.

There is a thing in the law about defending yourself and it has to do with like levels of threats. Clearly, a group was trespassing and broke the law, and another group used excessive levels of response and they broke the law. That's it.

[Hooter12]

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community.

None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

Not only were the protesters in fact on the property, they actually broke into a locked gate to get on the property. They weren't just "passing through".

[Chunks92]

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community.

None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

You tell me man, here is the footage, were they on their property or not? Because you are correct, that is the difference between crime and no crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EWJ7L6O91c

[SimonPieMan]

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community.

None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

Posting for a friend.

[WanderingAbout]

Pretty sure its illegal to publicly trade 'they' since lincon.

At least not until TheyDo and TheyA, which are private companies, go public.

[WanderingAbout]

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community. None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

The protesters ultimate destination was the home of the mayor of St Louis, Lyda Krewson. The protesters opened a closed, large iron gate with "No Trespassing" and "Private Street" signs posted. The protesters walked peacefully down a 'Private' street / drive news reports stated. The protesters did not go onto anyone's property other proceed down that 'Private' street. Once the gate was opened, and the protested crossed the 'Private' property line past the "No Trespassing" and "Private Street" signs posted, they were on 'their' (the residents) 'Private' property as the 'Private' street is part of 'their' 'Private' community. Nine people were cited for trespassing by the police but not prosecuted due to fear of heightening racial tensions at the time.

[WanderingMong]

I always forget about THEM! THEY are always lurking in the background, even though THEY are a publicly traded company on the NASDAQ. Every time I read something, there THEY are. I see THEM on Fox News all the time. A lot of my buddies are always talking about THEM, but THEY can never really name names, just that THEY are bad.

Pretty sure its illegal to publicly trade 'they' since lincon.

[BengalMan]

They had to plea to misdemeanor charges too. It was bullshit. The rioters were on their property, they had every right to defend their home.

C92.

This is a lie. The Protesters were not actually ON their property, merely passing through the "gated" community.

None of us have EVER passed through a "gated" community before, right?!

[BengalMan]

It's always "they"

The attached picture should explain everything.

I always forget about THEM! THEY are always lurking in the background, even though THEY are a publicly traded company on the NASDAQ. Every time I read something, there THEY are. I see THEM on Fox News all the time. A lot of my buddies are always talking about THEM, but THEY can never really name names, just that THEY are bad.