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**Low Baller** · 03-02-22 12:27

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**JustinCider904** · 03-02-22 12:04

Originally Posted by Powerhouse100 [View Original Post]

You know fellas, one thing I have come to realize is that women who charge these astronomical fees do so because clients disgust them. Can you imagine what the guys must look like that these ladies cater to? Women, despite how they feel about us; no matter how disgusted they are with us, will phuck us as long as the money is right. Now, perhaps, this comes as no surprise to most men who live in reality, but there are some guys who actually think these women like them so much. The reality is, those high-priced, gorgeous girls wouldn't be seeing us if the money wasn't right. What I mean by this is, sometimes $300-400 isn't enough for many of these girls. I am seeing, easily, $600-700/ hr these days.

Again, it boils down to if they are going to allow you to phuck them, you're going to pay dearly. These girls are not impressed with you; you probably disgust them, and the list goes on. Many years ago, some gentleman was able to hack into the email of Liz of Jax and some other girl she was friends with (Gizelle, I believe) and man, you should have seen the awful things they wrote about clients, in general. It showed me exactly what they thought of us. Whenever you see a woman charging these crazy fees, it is because they are so disgusted with the thought of having sex with us that they need to make a mint to kill the thought, so to speak.

I guess one reason I felt this should be mentioned is because that is one reason why I tend to steer clear of very expensive girls--because I know how they truly feel. I have observed the same in other girls throughout my sad years of doing this and it does not make me feel good about myself. It is all about the money we pay them. I suppose, in the end, it really does not matter to most guys because we are using them too. I guess a nut is a nut, no matter how the girl feels about ya! I, too, can afford that Rolls Royce kind of gal every once in a while, but the sheer thought that I am giving my hard earned money to someone who gives 2 phucks about me just doesn't sit well. It's not that I am looking for love or anything like that; however, I would prefer the girl have some interest in me beyond the money. But sadly gents, it's all about our money. Again, this is not a big deal with many guys, so whatever, right? I have been with some pretty pricey gals and let me tell you, I got more out of the average and lower priced ones than I did the pricey ones. Perhaps there is one out there who will impress me-- I don't know. Maybe-- we will see.

I have never personally seen an "expensive" provider in Jax (and I define expensive by $400+), but I have in dozens of other cities. I can say that I have twice spent 500+ on a provider for a single hr and both times were the best times I've ever had in my life. They were full GFE and PSE experiences, one with an active Porn start at the time, and another with someone who had only been 18 for about 3 weeks, both of them were 10 out of 10 in the looks category IMO. They were incredible (I have also spent much more than 500 for multiple hours). I have also had a great time with providers that cost a Bengi for a qv that have been amazing, but this is almost always a unicorn that just entered the business, especially if she had an attractive level of 7+. Out of the hundred+ cities I have mongered in, Jax is the only city I have heard the constant complaints about relentless low balling. I have seen some of the better quality girls come through here and almost everyone of them complained about how bad and cheap the mongers are here, and that most of the time they were moving on early.

I'm a good looking guy with an athletic build, I do not have a problem picking up ladies if that is what I was so inclinded to do. But I have a SO, and I have no desire to jepordize that. She is smoking hot, but we are only able to do it twice a week max. And that is not enough to keep my desires in check, that is why I choose a provider. I don't have to cater to them, I don't have to give them my real name or number, and if I do not like them or get bored with them I can move on or stop altogether at anytime without a wasted investment of time, emotion, or money. But the reality is, even the ones that say we are their "favorite", even if this is true, doesn't put us on a very high pedistal. As you pointed out, they are generally disgusted with us and simply because we are seeking them out for sex for money. They are not doing this for fun, it is easy money. Whether that be to feed an addiction, to get out of an unfavorable situation, or some other reason. It is possible to build a rapport with a provider and have both people genuinely have a good time and look forward to seeing each other. Hell I used to go clubbing with a provider many years ago, the drinks were on me, and I was only charged time once we got back to the room. But to think they respect us in anyway beyond the money we put in their pockets is a fallacy. It is an act, but one that is fun to enjoy.

**PokeTiger** · 03-02-22 12:01

They want a large sum of money to compensate their disgust towards customers.

By paying more, you can somewhat get their willingness to put up a show for you. When I visit them, I don't really care about them, I am paying money for my needs. If they start jacking up their rates on me, I will move onto someone else. Providers can get my business if they agree with I am willing to pay.

It's like paying golf instructor for a lesson, no difference. We are paying for their service. Most golf instructors hate their customers too. I am sure no one cares about instructor's feeling when they are having a lesson with them.

If you believe providers enjoy having sex with you, sorry to bust the bubble, they are so detached and numb. Porns are fake.

We really need some good agencies who can look out for providers benefit. With good agencies, providers will save on their lodging cost and get more reliable safe clients. Savings they have will also pass onto us.

Without good agencies, providers take on lot more risk, beating, abusing, robbery and rape from bad customers or their DBs. Harley used to be a good provider until she got robbed / raped. I feel sorry for her, but there is nothing I could do will change her path.

Orlando / Atlanta have established agencies plus individual providers. Their market is more mature than JAX.

Originally Posted by Powerhouse100 [View Original Post]

You know fellas, one thing I have come to realize is that women who charge these astronomical fees do so because clients disgust them. Can you imagine what the guys must look like that these ladies cater to? Women, despite how they feel about us; no matter how disgusted they are with us, will phuck us as long as the money is right. Now, perhaps, this comes as no surprise to most men who live in reality, but there are some guys who actually think these women like them so much. The reality is, those high-priced, gorgeous girls wouldn't be seeing us if the money wasn't right. What I mean by this is, sometimes $300-400 isn't enough for many of these girls. I am seeing, easily, $600-700/ hr these days.

Again, it boils down to if they are going to allow you to phuck them, you're going to pay dearly. These girls are not impressed with you; you probably disgust them, and the list goes on. Many years ago, some gentleman was able to hack into the email of Liz of Jax and some other girl she was friends with (Gizelle, I believe) and man, you should have seen the awful things they wrote about clients, in general. It showed me exactly what they thought of us. Whenever you see a woman charging these crazy fees, it is because they are so disgusted with the thought of having sex with us that they need to make a mint to kill the thought, so to speak..

**DWolfEop** · 03-02-22 10:15

I've read or skimmed most of the posts on this, thought I would put my opinion out there. Some of us haven't been in the hobby very long. We don't know 'how things used to be', we don't know the unwritten 'these are reasonable prices' rules. Sure we read the boards here, compare different ads, do at least a little research. But after looking around the only sources that I can and seeing them about the same price all that is left is asking ourselves 'is this worth it to me? I'm not desperate, I can always fall back to Rosy and her five sisters if they're charging more than I'm willing to pay. And then there's the basic fact that prices will always go up. Nothing costs what it did 10,5, even 1 year ago. Maybe it's less 'providers are gouging mongers' and more 'prices are updating to reflect current market realities'.

**Low Baller** · 03-02-22 01:42

Originally Posted by ClosetPervert9 [View Original Post]

I read through the whole of this conversation before chiming in. I just want to point out that low balling does hurt the quality of provider. Generally speaking, most of the workers are in a circuit and rotate to the cities they like more frequently and more regularly. An example I can give is I know a provider who would come to my city regularly years ago. Now she goes to L. A. (where she lives) for a week then goes to vegas for three weeks and sticks to that. She used to go up and down california, arizona, and new mex with a few excursions to the east coast. Now she just works in vegas. She told me she stopped coming to my city because too many clients were trying to low ball her, mostly her regulars were paying a fair rate and new clientele were all trying to pay bare minimum or shave 5-10 off the bottom rates. Too many low balls will make a provider skip jax and tour atl, orlando tampa, miami and skip jax all together. These providers also talk with one another. That's how they find where they can work in other cities so if they stop going they're going to tell their provider network that they don't recommend working in jax because of the low ballers. Some girls just live in jax and tour elsewhere but for the girls who come for a month then never come back, these are the ones who can send new girls to jax or sway them to skip jax.

Not arguing, just bringing up a point and an example that I didn't see mentioned in your conversation.

Thank you, that is a good point we mongers need to consider. However, I believe from looking at the ads over the years that many of the Jax providers are not on a circuit, check Tryst or STG and a large majority of them are ones that are here all the time.

The other side of the point, is that providers are not totally stupid. If a provider asks for 700 and mongers in Jax offer her 625, then what does she do? Skip Jax all together because the mean mongers in Jax are countering her 700 asking price? Possibly. But, what if she tells the low baller to suck an egg and then he responds saying fine, I will give you 700? Does she still avoid coming to Jax? And what if the provider gets smart and asks 800 when in Jax because the low ballers will offer her. 75 less? That seems an easy fix also. So why would she avoid Jax?

I agree, I do not want to argue either, you raised a very good point and I do not know the answer. It is worth considering. Thank you for raising it.

**ClosetPervert9** · 03-02-22 01:23

Originally Posted by LowBaller [View Original Post]

Providers are offering us mongers a service. Hence, comparing buying 30 minutes of FS fun from a hottie with buying a Lexus is mentally incorrect and just plain wrong. Services simply are not things and cannot really be logically compared with things like cars! Further, whether a monger likes to buy expensive cars, or cheap cars has nothing to do with a monger's desire for providers or for the coins he is willing to pay, and to compare those is a logic error and false.

Some argue that high quality provers will move away if mongers offer to pay the providers less than their asking price. As proof they point to the lack of quality in Jax right now. But, there is no reason a provider would move out of town because some mongers offered her less. In fact, currently many mongers are paying the full asking price, so I can use the same proof and say that the not negotiating has made the current lack of quality in providers. What is the reason for the current lack of quality? I do not really know; I have no answer. Perhaps it just runs in wave cycles.

Finally, offering a provider less does not mean I am suggesting to picking a swan for a car date while some big spending dude picks a young hottie at a fancy hotel. I say compare the same provider, at the same hotel and for the same service, but at different prices! That is, if Provider Hottie asks 200 for qv FS and a monger pays 200 without offering her less, then fine. But, for comparison, I contact the same Provider Hottie and I offer her 150 for the qv FS, which she accepts. I had lots of fun with the her, the only difference was that I paid 150 and the other monger paid 200! Perhaps some mongers get their jollies over paying, but I prefer to pay a fair rate that both the provider and I agree upon. No, it has nothing to do with what I can afford, the issue is simply to offer the provider less for the same thing other dues over pay for.

Negotiate! Negotiate! If a provider refuses your offer, then you decide if you want to pay her full price or try some one else. The choice is up to you, just as the choice is up to the provider to accept your offer or to see no one. With the quality and quantity so low right now, too many mongers just pay the full asking rate and as a result the providers have shot their asking rates to insane levels. Mongers we all need to negotiate, for example, offer. 10 or. 20 less is all you have to do in order to enjoy the same provider for the same service at the same hotel that some mongers pay insanely high prices for. Besides, I believe providers do not respect guys who have no balls and are afraid to offer them less. So, mongers start lowering providers' prices now by offering them less. It will improve quality and services for us all.

I read through the whole of this conversation before chiming in. I just want to point out that low balling does hurt the quality of provider. Generally speaking, most of the workers are in a circuit and rotate to the cities they like more frequently and more regularly. An example I can give is I know a provider who would come to my city regularly years ago. Now she goes to L. A. (where she lives) for a week then goes to vegas for three weeks and sticks to that. She used to go up and down california, arizona, and new mex with a few excursions to the east coast. Now she just works in vegas. She told me she stopped coming to my city because too many clients were trying to low ball her, mostly her regulars were paying a fair rate and new clientele were all trying to pay bare minimum or shave 5-10 off the bottom rates. Too many low balls will make a provider skip jax and tour atl, orlando tampa, miami and skip jax all together. These providers also talk with one another. That's how they find where they can work in other cities so if they stop going they're going to tell their provider network that they don't recommend working in jax because of the low ballers. Some girls just live in jax and tour elsewhere but for the girls who come for a month then never come back, these are the ones who can send new girls to jax or sway them to skip jax.

Not arguing, just bringing up a point and an example that I didn't see mentioned in your conversation.

**Powerhouse100** · 03-02-22 00:48

You know fellas, one thing I have come to realize is that women who charge these astronomical fees do so because clients disgust them. Can you imagine what the guys must look like that these ladies cater to? Women, despite how they feel about us; no matter how disgusted they are with us, will phuck us as long as the money is right. Now, perhaps, this comes as no surprise to most men who live in reality, but there are some guys who actually think these women like them so much. The reality is, those high-priced, gorgeous girls wouldn't be seeing us if the money wasn't right. What I mean by this is, sometimes $300-400 isn't enough for many of these girls. I am seeing, easily, $600-700/ hr these days.

Again, it boils down to if they are going to allow you to phuck them, you're going to pay dearly. These girls are not impressed with you; you probably disgust them, and the list goes on. Many years ago, some gentleman was able to hack into the email of Liz of Jax and some other girl she was friends with (Gizelle, I believe) and man, you should have seen the awful things they wrote about clients, in general. It showed me exactly what they thought of us. Whenever you see a woman charging these crazy fees, it is because they are so disgusted with the thought of having sex with us that they need to make a mint to kill the thought, so to speak.

I guess one reason I felt this should be mentioned is because that is one reason why I tend to steer clear of very expensive girls--because I know how they truly feel. I have observed the same in other girls throughout my sad years of doing this and it does not make me feel good about myself. It is all about the money we pay them. I suppose, in the end, it really does not matter to most guys because we are using them too. I guess a nut is a nut, no matter how the girl feels about ya! I, too, can afford that Rolls Royce kind of gal every once in a while, but the sheer thought that I am giving my hard earned money to someone who gives 2 phucks about me just doesn't sit well. It's not that I am looking for love or anything like that; however, I would prefer the girl have some interest in me beyond the money. But sadly gents, it's all about our money. Again, this is not a big deal with many guys, so whatever, right? I have been with some pretty pricey gals and let me tell you, I got more out of the average and lower priced ones than I did the pricey ones. Perhaps there is one out there who will impress me-- I don't know. Maybe-- we will see.

**JustinCider904** · 03-01-22 23:15

Originally Posted by PokeTiger [View Original Post]

I am a good looking, above average guy with no problem finding regular girls out there. Providers are always surprised when they meet me in person. I also do not need long time to get ready and spend long time with them just to get a nut.

I like providers more than regular girls because they have no string attached, no need to invest time, no BS. Time is more valuable for me. I have no desire spending 2 or 3 hours with someone just to get a nut.

You pay whatever you want to. I could careless if some prefer overpay.

By the way, yes, Harley is really going down hill fast. I got my first no show from her last week.

JAX is a strange city comparing to Atlanta and Orlando. I visited Atlanta last month and found many better quality providers willing to work for more reasonable rates.

Thank you Poke. Time is lifes most valuable commodity. My time is worth way to much to be negotiating to save a couple of bucks.

**TailBlazing** · 03-01-22 22:22

Was always a favorite. Never an issue.

I did see some guy offering up her digits on Houston forum 2 months ago saying she was from Jax and reliable. Obviously trying to drum up some business for her.

Originally Posted by KoolBreeze [View Original Post]

Meli was here a few weeks ago for like a day or two. Hate to inform you guys. But I believe she's left the hobby for the forcible future. She has no desire to be in Duval full time. Her guy friend is taking care of her and don't want her in the business no more. She sounded like she really like this guy.

**Low Baller** · 03-01-22 21:34

Originally Posted by Powerhouse100 [View Original Post]

Just because someone is charging a higher amount certainly does not translate into great quality. I have seen those who could command a higher amount and I was not impressed.

If I could negotiate for a lower amount, I will. Just like at a car dealership-- I will offer you what I want and you can either accept it or reject it; but I am sure the dealer won't go out of biz because of my low offer and others, for that matter. I say offer what you will and if they accept, fine; if not, move on! But anyhow, puss is high because guys are silly enough to pay these premiums.

Powerhouse, I cannot say it better and so concisely.

**DevilsAdvoc8** · 03-01-22 18:35

Originally Posted by SSideJohnny [View Original Post]

Agree, The jump from 300-400 range to 500-600+ range not worth it. I set my limit at 400-450, eventually I think it will level out back to normal, the few who keep their prices are making out, but as you said there aren't any in the area.

Totally agree. Both with cars and with women, I'm good at the Lexus / Mercedes / BMW level, not Ferrari, Rolls Royce, whatever. On Tryst I saw a young pretty Asian girl and she wanted $1 k+ for an hour. Totally insane. There's a lady up there now that starting at an hour for $750. And she's in her 30's (no offense ladies, but that isn't young in this game or at higher price points). I do well and agree that I can go to $400-450 but anything over is just too rich for my blood. The problem is that there's very little in that range. Everything is either a used Ford Pinto or a Lambo. Back when I was in NJ / NYC there was a ton in that middle range. This is basically the only thing I miss from living there.

**PokeTiger** · 03-01-22 15:06

Not sure it is the argument about Lexus or Ferrari, it is more a location thing here. JAX is a very unique city. Not a city most of people are working hard to earn extra money just to make ends meet.

In general, JAX has more service jobs which do not require people working regular 8 hours. I have heard people working on bases here just need to show up for 2 or 3 hours a day and collect a check for working 8 hrs a day. Since Military bases are the biggest job providers here, I am sure these kind of working attitude is pretty common everywhere in JAX. Easy come and easy go. Providers are very familiar with these. I see many providers setting up shops near bases once in a while to focus on this type of customers.

In NYC or Philly, I can get sauna, massage and an hour full service for 140 tips included. The girls are much better in quality and much more professional.

Providers in NYC have better working attitude than here.

No shows and ghosting are very common here. Never ever make a trip just to see these providers. I always treat this activity as a stop at a coffee shop at JAX. Can't have high expectation here.

Originally Posted by JustinCider904 [View Original Post]

The fact that you focused on Toyota vs Ferrari shows that you missed my point entirely, or just disregarded it and focused on two extremes to prove your point. I comparded Toyota to a Lexus, and did so purposely because I have met many people that do not see a difference between the two that justify the price difference. If you are one of these people, then you will never understand; or at least not until you are in a position where the price is no longer the hangup on whether it could be considered. I completely agree that a single person offering a low price, or negotiating will not put someone out of business; I think we can all agree on this. However; getting flooded with these offers will make them move on. This is what I am advocating against. If you put a Lexus dealership in a market where the sales people are all tied up with offers at Toyota prices they are going to pack up business and go somewhere else their product is appreciated. This is what is happening in our market. We live in a free market economy (which really is irrelevant here since this is not a legal transaction and lives by its own set of rules, or absent from them but I digress), and no one can stop you from doing what ever you wish. But my point is your (and others with this mindset) are forcing the Lexus' to pack up and go where they are appreciated and can make a living without dealing with being undervalued. It is true that there are times that you can negotiate someone down to a ridiculous rate or even down a couple of Hamiltons, and you feel very accomplished after this fact. That's great, though it is probably not a great quality to be proud of getting joy from making someone else feel less than (warranted or not).

**LongManHung** · 03-01-22 13:50

Originally Posted by RSat1974 [View Original Post]

Gents I would be cautious AF with the below review. A respected monger gets robbed and posts a negative review on 12/26 (just search Brooklyn). This person posts their very first comment on 12/27 that gets scratched by Admin because it's argumentative (bet it was a post defending above provider). Then sits quiet a bit and low and behold a glowing review of Brooklyn! I am sorry but I am trusting the brother that got robbed on this one. Maybe Admin can verify what this guys original post was on 12/27 to ease suspicians but this reeks of a self post. Thread carefully.

I can see why you'd say that but this wasn't a self post. I did see that she robbed someone but the little guy took over. The post from 12/27 was actually me posting a negative review about a girl I thought was on candy. Anyway as I said before so it at your own risk but my time with her was good and it wasn't sketchy. I'm not hear to defend the girl. I'm sure she probably did rob the respected poster, that's what these girls do. I was just posting my review with her and it went well. Not trying to argue at all. I might've caught her on a good day but as always, be careful with these girls bc I may have a completely different experience next time I see her.

LMH.

**PokeTiger** · 03-01-22 11:19

I am a good looking, above average guy with no problem finding regular girls out there. Providers are always surprised when they meet me in person. I also do not need long time to get ready and spend long time with them just to get a nut.

I like providers more than regular girls because they have no string attached, no need to invest time, no BS. Time is more valuable for me. I have no desire spending 2 or 3 hours with someone just to get a nut.

You pay whatever you want to. I could careless if some prefer overpay.

By the way, yes, Harley is really going down hill fast. I got my first no show from her last week.

JAX is a strange city comparing to Atlanta and Orlando. I visited Atlanta last month and found many better quality providers willing to work for more reasonable rates.

Originally Posted by Powerhouse100 [View Original Post]

I believe the skyrocketed prices are largely due to the fact that these girls have finally wised up. Do you guys even realize how many texts / calls these girls get per day. Anywhere from 100-200 plus! That's a lot of contact! This means high demand in a low supply sex market. What we offer these girls (like low ball rates) don't phase them. They have learned, more or less, that if they are getting this many contacts from clients that all they have to see is 2 clients at 100 a pop, which is $200 per day. With this kind of dinero, you don't have to see that many clients, unless you have a drug habit or something else going on that requires it.

There are so many desperate bastards out there who are willing to pay what they ask. I mean, very low end girls are pretty much getting bigger bucks these days. And they can hold out longer than us to boot! LOL.

Just because someone is charging a higher amount certainly does not translate into great quality. I have seen those who could command a higher amount and I was not impressed. If I could negotiate for a lower amount, I will. Just like at a car dealership-- I will offer you what I want and you can either accept it or reject it; but I am sure the dealer won't go out of biz because of my low offer and others, for that matter. I say offer what you will and if they accept, fine; if not, move on! But anyhow, puss is high because guys are silly enough to pay these premiums.

**SSideJohnny** · 03-01-22 10:55

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvoc8 [View Original Post]

As someone who wants a Lexus, I totally agree. Honestly, I don't care if you want to haggle with someone for $40 vs $60 for a car date. I don't do car dates, don't want to deal with DBs or any of that, but we have very few young, pretty mid-range providers here and I really suspect this is why. I'll happily pay $300-$350/ hr for a Lexus that but that really isn't easy to find here.

Agree, The jump from 300-400 range to 500-600+ range not worth it. I set my limit at 400-450, eventually I think it will level out back to normal, the few who keep their prices are making out, but as you said there aren't any in the area.