Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[BengalMan]

Roger has a point on police reporting of crime and you have your point on crime is up. Think on this for a minute and reflect. The numbers are approximate because I do not have time to retrieve data from various sites. Basically, there has been about 1200 people cited for human trafficking and only 2 convictions! So, why is that? Well my thought is anything that is gray enough to be cited gets cited by police so they are busy and on the next cycle of grants they can say we arrested 1200 people for human trafficking to get more grant money! It would be nice if they had to report convictions instead, the grant money would be better used in other programs!!

This is absolutely correct.

[BengalMan]

There is no sense to argue with retarded Socialist Democrats like DNUT & RogerOver etc.; They will soon be like their leader / false God Joe, and that is senile or better yet like his son Dumbo.

There has never been a bigger False God in the history of the world than Donald J Trump. Trump, the guy who has been RIPPING OFF the little guy his entire life! The SAME people who have been worshipping and idolizing him. Yes, you guys. He has RIPPED YOU OFF for decades and so has his dad! He does not pay his workers. He does not pay his contractors. He hires ILLEGALS at all of his businesses and has for decades! Not by accident. On purpose so he can not pay them. It's absolutely Bizarre with a capital B that you guys idolize that.

Trump is the guy in this forum who would fuck the provider and then leave without paying. If you think that's "cool" then keep worshipping him.

And stop with the Social Democrat shit, it's just ignorant. I'm a free market capitalist so shove the demonizing names up your collective asses.

[Dick Morehead]

You are one gay young man. Jerking off to Hillary while giving head to your boyfriend.

No big loss.

You are correct that I think more with my head, you are such a moron! I am a conservative not a left wing any thing goes liberal. If anyone is gay it's you dickwad. I won't fuck Hillary even with your tiny pecker. The only dick I see being sucked is you sucking Big Joe. You to remind me of each other, you both have two brains one is lost and the other ones out looking for it. You're a dumb fuck.

[Below Me]

"False God". LOLOLOLOLOL Oh, the complete lack of self-awareness as well as self-own of this post. Hahahaha.

It ranks right up there with "stealing the election" (insurrection anyone), pro-life (repeal the Healthcare millions depend on as well as food programs that feed poor children), "Stand with the blue" (unless they try to stop you from overturning a fair election). It ranks right up there. It's rank.

That's a good photo you posted if the so called racist President that did more for the black community in 4 years than Biden has done in 50. Me thinks you can't see the forest through the trees. Stick to ho reporting, you're very good at that.

[D Nut]

How can someone support a guy that supports the mandate penalty that literally cost Americans thousands of dollars, poor americans at that!

Or wrote the crime bill that put thousands of minorities in prison, and also targets things like the hobby! I understand why people voted for Biden because he wasnt Trump, but to actually think that he is a good president its just not reality. Respect for you DNut but I can't support what Biden is doing I just can't. And I'm a Dem. the only good thing hes done is support a womans right to choose. But if they really supported a womans right to choose, why is a woman or for that matter a man selling themself illegal as well? After all, what a certain Vice President did to get herself to get into that position is not all that different then what an escort does. just a thought.

Be specific as to what you're talking about. Cite the part of the ACA than penalizes poor people. Secondly, do you know how insurance works? In a nutshell, everyone pays a little, so when someone has an emergency, there are funds. It only works is if EVERYONE, sick and healthy, does their part. I don't mind paying for insurance even though I have not been seriously ill in over a decade. Why? Because I am not a selfish prock that only thinks of himself. And two, I don't know if I am going to have an emergency. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Also, why do right wing nut jobs only think in terms of personal benefit? It's like empathy doesn't exist in their bubble. Even John McCain, who is credited with saving the ACA, only voted to save it after he was diagnosed with brain cancer and he started experiencing for himself the cost of healthcare. Prior to that, he was pretty much towing the party line to repeal the ACA.

Your comments criticizing Joe Biden for writing (or supporting a crime bill that criminalizes "the HOBBY" . Let's not mince words. It is PROSTITUTION. But it seems you are only critical of it because YOU PERSONALLY benefit from it. Would you be as supportive of the hobby of you did not imbibe in it? Doubtful.

Empathy is lacking, or the "until it happens to you" syndrome is the hallmark of the GOP and their holier than though minions.

[Twisted69]

1. They do this for a living. They know the slope a line, trend. 2. Articles are factual, and based on studies. Just presenting the facts. You can do what you want with it.

By the way, my world view is just fine, but thank you. LOL, I have lots of friends by the way, all walks of life, but ill tell them you said that ().

Roger has a point on police reporting of crime and you have your point on crime is up. Think on this for a minute and reflect. The numbers are approximate because I do not have time to retrieve data from various sites. Basically, there has been about 1200 people cited for human trafficking and only 2 convictions! So, why is that? Well my thought is anything that is gray enough to be cited gets cited by police so they are busy and on the next cycle of grants they can say we arrested 1200 people for human trafficking to get more grant money! It would be nice if they had to report convictions instead, the grant money would be better used in other programs!!

[Chunks92]

"False God". LOLOLOLOLOL Oh, the complete lack of self-awareness as well as self-own of this post. Hahahaha.

It ranks right up there with "stealing the election" (insurrection anyone), pro-life (repeal the Healthcare millions depend on as well as food programs that feed poor children), "Stand with the blue" (unless they try to stop you from overturning a fair election). It ranks right up there. It's rank.

How can someone support a guy that supports the mandate penalty that literally cost Americans thousands of dollars, poor americans at that! Or wrote the crime bill that put thousands of minorities in prison, and also targets things like the hobby! I understand why people voted for Biden because he wasnt Trump, but to actually think that he is a good president its just not reality. Respect for you DNut but I can't support what Biden is doing I just can't. And I'm a Dem. the only good thing hes done is support a womans right to choose. But if they really supported a womans right to choose, why is a woman or for that matter a man selling themself illegal as well? After all, what a certain Vice President did to get herself to get into that position is not all that different then what an escort does. just a thought.

[D Nut]

There is no sense to argue with retarded Socialist Democrats like DNUT & RogerOver etc.; They will soon be like their leader / false God Joe, and that is senile or better yet like his son Dumbo.

"False God". LOLOLOLOLOL Oh, the complete lack of self-awareness as well as self-own of this post. Hahahaha.

It ranks right up there with "stealing the election" (insurrection anyone), pro-life (repeal the Healthcare millions depend on as well as food programs that feed poor children), "Stand with the blue" (unless they try to stop you from overturning a fair election). It ranks right up there. It's rank.

[Vinnie Kramer]

For the trees.

There is no doubt, that YoY, some crime is up in some locations. But, as the charts I provided (which are based on government reporting) clearly indicated, crime is down significantly over the last 30 years or so.

And, crime in 2021 is likely less than 2019 and certainly going to be less than 2010 unless the criminals really turn it up in the 4th quarter.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-1

Football Sunday, I'm sitting with a bunch of my friends, some of them ex-military, law enforcement, and even former border patrol. This topic came up. Crime is the "worst they've ever seen", their words, not mine. And they do this for a living.

Below is a collage of recent articles from 2021, mostly the Summer of 2021, just recently. VIOLENT crimes hit the HIGHEST they have ever been in 2021. Keep in mind two things: Journalism is always PIT (point in time). Secondly, it's a function of what gets reported. I read where 14% of police force (average) have either early retired or resigned this year due to the BS they've had to put up with. So less arrests in some cites, equals less reported, simply because they can't address it all. But in their words, it's increasing. Just though these facts below might help, for anyone interested in this subject. Anyway, appreciate the original post.

CRIME 2021:

Denver crime up 22% in June since last year: So far, 2021 is looking even worse: https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-c...nce-last-year/.

Chicago's most violent weekend of 2021:104 shot, 19 of them killed. 13 kids among the wounded: https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...e-gun-violence.

Chicago Gun Violence: 461 Shootings Reported in July, Up 15% From Last Year: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...-year/2575176/.

Murder rate soars in Los Angeles. The 179 homicides in the first six months of the year is the highest total in more than a decade: https://xtown.la/2021/07/16/murder-rate-soars/.

Deadly 4th of July Weekend: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/us/us...end/index.html.

No question about it': Providence police officials say city is seeing a spike in violent crime: https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...violent-crime/.

NYPD: Shootings up 166%, fueling NYC crime surge: https://www.news10.com/news/ny-news/...c-crime-surge/.

New York's Crime Wave: Murders are poised to drop below 2020 levels soon. But there and elsewhere, violence is still a lot worse than before the pandemic: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ns-of-breaking.

US Homicides continue to rise 2021: Report: Homicides Continue to Slowly Rise in the USA, While Other Violent Crime Rates Decline: https://time.com/6086558/us-homicide...t-crime-rates/.

[YoTooBig]

There is no sense to argue with retarded Socialist Democrats like DNUT & RogerOver etc.; They will soon be like their leader / false God Joe, and that is senile or better yet like his son Dumbo.

[BengalMan]

No big loss to the party asshole! Put your frigging blindfold back on. Are you serious? When you look up 'liar' and 'evil' I the dictionary there are multiple pics of Hillary. If her lips are moving she is lying, how stupid are you Bengal Man? As far as Biden is concerned you are a stupid MF!

You are one gay young man. Jerking off to Hillary while giving head to your boyfriend.

No big loss.

[Todd Cincy]

That's an interesting perspective. And since I freely admit that I cannot understand the appeal of OF *at all*, I see no reason to dispute it.

I am now in my early 50's. There aren't too many women in my immediate peer group whom I'd pay to see naked. But circa 1995, yes, there may have been an appeal. And in 1985 (when I was in high school), I would have been all over the concept.

Nowadays, though, not so much.

The popularity of OF isn't based on what you see. It's based on WHO you see. Most of the followers of OF girls, with the exception of bona fide celebrities (Bella Thorne, for example), are people these girls know in real life. Customers aren't paying to see tits. They are paying to see tits that they've hugged before, but never got to see. They pay to see the ass that they've only seen behind the bar at the local tavern. I can see tits any time I type, "tits" on my phone. But they won't be the tits that was being kept out of sight by that tight Bengals shirt of the girl my girlfriend brought along with that extra ticket we had. Girls can post on Reddit, or on SB sites, or on Escort sites all they want, that they have an OF page. But there's no better promotion that finding out that the girl that just bent over to serve me and my buddies drink, I can see her and all her glory, for less than the price of 3 beers at the bar.

It's the deal with the devil these non-celebrity girls make. Are you okay with people you personally know, knowing what you look like naked, and potentially have these photos of you at their fingertips to bust a nut over? They're the main client base, not the one or two strangers that happened to have come across your page, pun intented.

[GoodWill123]

Thank you. Likewise!

LOL. Do that. Tell your friends, "ya know; I was just having this discussion on a hooker board, and blah bla".

Seriously, you seem like a nice enough sort, but I think you're misguided. I have a lot of friends from all walks of life and my own experiences. Some are pretty conservative; some with stump musters, special operations, and yeah, law enforcement.

I can promise you we tend to gravitate towards the folks we like to be around. That's why despite my association with people like that, I tend to skip the re-unions and meetups because I know I'll get tired fast of their blue-lives-matter-we're-so-persecuted bullshit.

I wish you the best. I'm sure you're earnest in your beliefs, but I think you're just another misguided person. Good luck.

[RogerOver]

1. They do this for a living. They know the slope a line, trend. 2. Articles are factual, and based on studies. Just presenting the facts. You can do what you want with it.

By the way, my world view is just fine, but thank you. LOL, I have lots of friends by the way, all walks of life, but ill tell them you said that ().

LOL. Do that. Tell your friends, "ya know; I was just having this discussion on a hooker board, and blah bla".

Seriously, you seem like a nice enough sort, but I think you're misguided. I have a lot of friends from all walks of life and my own experiences. Some are pretty conservative; some with stump musters, special operations, and yeah, law enforcement.

I can promise you we tend to gravitate towards the folks we like to be around. That's why despite my association with people like that, I tend to skip the re-unions and meetups because I know I'll get tired fast of their blue-lives-matter-we're-so-persecuted bullshit.

I wish you the best. I'm sure you're earnest in your beliefs, but I think you're just another misguided person. Good luck.

[RogerOver]

The popularity of OF isn't based on what you see. It's based on WHO you see. Most of the followers of OF girls, with the exception of bona fide celebrities (Bella Thorne, for example), are people these girls know in real life. Customers aren't paying to see tits. They are paying to see tits that they've hugged before, but never got to see. They pay to see the ass that they've only seen behind the bar at the local tavern. I can see tits any time I type, "tits" on my phone. But they won't be the tits that was being kept out of sight by that tight Bengals shirt of the girl my girlfriend brought along with that extra ticket we had. Girls can post on Reddit, or on SB sites, or on Escort sites all they want, that they have an OF page. But there's no better promotion that finding out that the girl that just bent over to serve me and my buddies drink, I can see her and all her glory, for less than the price of 3 beers at the bar.

It's the deal with the devil these non-celebrity girls make. Are you okay with people you personally know, knowing what you look like naked, and potentially have these photos of you at their fingertips to bust a nut over? They're the main client base, not the one or two strangers that happened to have come across your page, pun intented.

This is the best explainer that I've seen for why OF flourishes in the face of free porn. I'll probably steal it and use it in a discussion somewhere else. Thanks!