Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[NerdFriday]

Verbal agreement of sex for money is illegal. Paying someone for their time is allowed. If people so happen to engage In consensual activity, that is also allowed. This applies in all 50 states. In a sting they need to witness you making the agreement. No agreement then probaly no laws broken.

Also in Hawaii there's a wierd quirk about massage licenses. If you don't have a massage license which takes 100's of hours to certify then it's illegal to advertise or do massage business. Sometimes texting new girls about a massage and they will just ignore to avoid any problems. Texting new girls to visit see her or hang out probaly ok.

I have to respond to this, because it's important to note that you do not need to verbally agree to exchange money for sex for prostitution to occur. In general, prostitution can occur whenever there is sexual gratification between people in exchange for money, even if there is no "agreement". There only needs to be an articulable relationship between money and sex. With this said, UC's will always try to get you to agree to a sex act for a fee because it makes their case easier in a reverse sting. They do not need to do this, it just make their case much easier to prove.

In my other post about "hanging out" and asking "do you always play it safe?" are simply just screening mechanisms to deter bad actors; they are not actual legal defenses.

Here are some legally sound methods:

-Paying a sugar baby an 'allowance'. This works because the allowance is not necessarily paid on days you have sex. In contrast, "PPM" is tantamount to prostitution.

-Porn. In this case, the actors are paid by the production company. The production company is not receiving any sexual gratification in the exchange.

Not legally sound methods:

-'Paying for your time'. Not as solid as it sounds, especially when a sex act begins within minutes of a direct monetary exchange. This is more 'part' of a defense, not an actual defense.

-'Taking pictures / videos'. If you pay someone to take pictures / videos and then start masturbating, prostitution may have occurred, even if you are not having sex with the other person. This more of a 'screening tool' rather than a defense.

[RoadRally2]

Verbal agreement of sex for money is illegal. Paying someone for their time is allowed. If people so happen to engage In consensual activity, that is also allowed. This applies in all 50 states. In a sting they need to witness you making the agreement. No agreement then probaly no laws broken.

Also in Hawaii there's a wierd quirk about massage licenses. If you don't have a massage license which takes 100's of hours to certify then it's illegal to advertise or do massage business. Sometimes texting new girls about a massage and they will just ignore to avoid any problems. Texting new girls to visit see her or hang out probaly ok.

[CoffeeMocha]

Hey sorry this happened to you Darkman808. I've been away for the entire COVID. Stay safe man! You'd think they'd have other things to focus on.

Better going to AMP's, safer and less likely to get arrested. Or you can go to the Eros Hawaii Website.

[Pok Gai]

Hey sorry this happened to you Darkman808. I've been away for the entire COVID. Stay safe man! You'd think they'd have other things to focus on.

I'll pick up where I got arrested.

.

[NerdFriday]

UC's will ALWAYS try to get you to explicitly say 'sex for money'. Remember that using code words may not save you. I know people want to make sure they are getting their value, but believe me, it's much better to never explicitly talk about it, feel "short-changed", choose to never see them again, vs. Explicitly talking about the services and then being arrested. This is my strategy for dating SB's who do not have a "service history" unlike the pros. With pros, I just ask them if they want to "hang out". Some pros may ghost you because they think you are a time-waster if you do that, but the reality is they don't understand that you're basically telling them you're not a cop. Cops don't waste their time being vague. They literally need you to say any equivalent of "sex for money" and then show you're "serious" about the transaction.

My favorite lines? "Do you always play it safe?" (for SB's / unknowns) and "Do you want to hangout?" (for pros).

Why, because that can apply to anything. It has nothing to do with BBFS or platonic meetups. It's a simple check to see if they are thinking about playing as well. If they don't know what that means, or better yet, want you to describe in graphic detail what that means, AVOID. Sure, you may not get 100% of what you wanted being so vague, but you can always avoid jail and can simply ghost them later if their definition of playing doesn't match yours. Better to occasionally waste a few hundred on disappointments than a few thousand on an arrest that could change your life!

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We greeted each other, she stood in front of me, just chatting at first, basic pleasantries. Thew following may not be exactly word for word, but very close to it. She walked me through spelling everything out in details:

She started - "You know I'm kinda new at this".

I replied, "I don't do this very often either".

"Well ok. So what are you looking for?

"Uh, well, . Everything I guess".

"Ok, I see. But like I said, I'm kinda new, so I just want to be clear about this before we start. What exactly do you want?

"Well, full service, everything".

"I know, but what does 'everything' mean to you? Some people have different tastes, you know?

"Ok, well. Straight sex and blow job. Covered, I know. I don't care about greek. I'm not really into that, ok? So you don't have to worry about that. ".

"Ok, I see. That's everything. Alright and what about money?

"Well, 300 seems about the going rate lately around here. ".

"300? Is that what you said?

"Yea, 3. Is that ok for you?

"So you'll give me 300 for everything, right?

"Yes".

She paused for a moment, like that was a signal to those listening, maybe.

Right about here is when I started getting a weird feeling. She had really strung me out on saying things specific about money and the actually sex act. And it hit me at that moment, W T F?

I had this sense right then I should walk away. But I didn't.

Then her whole mood changed like she knew the trap was set. She suddenly got real sweet, smiled, warmed up to me and stepped forward.

"Ok, so let's go up then. C'Mon.".

And she started walking towards the entrance, which was a little distance away. As she walked, she stayed in front of me and I at first was trying to catch up to walk next to her. But then I realized, maybe she was trying to stay in front on purpose and not make it look like we were together in case the Hotel security was inside watching (So I actually dropped back a step or two. But she seemed to be walking fast as she stepped through the door and kept going further ahead of me. So I picked up the pace as I passed through inside the glass doors and was trying to catch up with her as it appeared she was almost walking away from me.

Now at this time, there were dozens of Japanese tourists all around me. It was crowded, people walking all around in different directions. I was looking for the girl?! I lost her in the crowd and I thought, Shit! Where is she?

"Before I realized it, two guys, one on each side simultaneously walked alongside of me, coming up from behind so did not see them and both grabbed each of my arms and firmly held me as we all kept walking. One guy said "Keep moving, don't even think of running! We both got you. Do NOT make a scene here!

At first I was pissed and freaking out like I was about to get ripped off. But then one of the guys brandished his badge right in front of my face. "We are with HPD, you are under arrest for solicitation. Do not yell, do not try to get away, do not make a scene. Just cooperate and we'll treat you ok, but if you try to run, you're only going to make this worse. Do you understand?

"yes. ".

"Ok, then we're going to sit right here on this bench. ".

As soon as we sat down, one guy stayed right next to me as he put cuffs on me. The other guy radioed in "Ok, we have him".

Right there I know what had just happened. I had been arrested. End of story. The sinking feeling of all kinds of emotions overwhelmed me. Fuck.

For the record, I never saw that undercover officer again, until my court hearing. I never even saw her at my arraignment. But she was there in case she had to testify at my court appearance. Since I pleaded DAG (Deferred Agreement of Guilt), so there was no cops testifying, only the prosecutor reading the charge, nothing else about the details in the court hearing even came up, just the "charge" of solicitation was read aloud.

I remember sitting outside the courtroom on the bench, next to my attorney, waiting of the start of everything. When I saw the girl, who was hapa, reddish brown hair, fit and nice body, about 5' 8" or so, nice face, and wearing a nice dress with a v-nck showing her nice cleavage, with a hem above her knees, I said to my attorney, "Look! There she is!" He replied, "Who is she?" I said, THAT is the undercover cop that lured me in to all this!

It was funny, because my attorney sat there quietly for a moment, I think he was just sizing her up. Or, I wondered, did he know her? Finally, he blurted out, "Shit, she's good looking! No wonder you got busted. ".

Given the circumstances, it was a weird thing to say at the moment. But it was a man being a man, right?

Thanks for sharing your unfortunate experience so that we can learn.

[Makana9]

I'll pick up where I got arrested.

In Ala Moana Hotel, second floor of lobby. Sitting between two cops on a bench. They were waiting for some kind of confirmation by radio from somebody. I'm only guessing here but suspect my conversation with undercover girl was being recorded or filmed. Once they said "ok, its good" or something like that, off we went to the parking lot.

We walked into the covered area of Ala Mona, by the ramp where I was just talking to the undercover girl? The put me in a non-descript white van. One cop sat next to me. The other standing outside. Both were wearing street clothes, local guys, very mellow. Actually nice. I was in handcuffs since they grabbed me. Ugh. The one cop started to explain to me what was about to happen. They were going to take me to main police station, book me, put me in a holding cell for awhile (I have no idea why), then release me if I could make bail. They asked if I had 500 dollars on me. I did. Since I expected to pay 300 for the girl anyway, plus I had extra cash on me, just in case my date went longer. The cop even offered to take me to an ATM if I needed more cash, before the police station.

We sat there for about 20 minutes, not sure why. Finally, we left, went to police station. I got booked, picture taken, finger printed, everyone was very professional and nice. I had no record so obviously they all new I was a first offender. They took all my keys, wallet, phone, belt and put in bag, I signed for it all. Then placed in a cell by myself. I sat there forever it seemed.

Man, thanks for your candor and 411. Why that one haole that I wanted to see but was pretty much freaked out bc of where she was, my old post has what happened. Took time, and a lot of scrutiny from my side, once she came down to get me, still careful even after feeling her up and she returning the favor. I was still iffy, until I showered and then she was on the bed ready to go. Man, for those of you that got pinched sorry it happened, but hard, so hard to figure it out. Why I try to stick to me ones for years, just trying to be forward. Do miss some though really do esp. Those fun times at CC, curtains open nighttime lights, and bent over the table playing hammer gun or doing Hanabi. Those were fun times!

[CapProton]

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[RickJames808]

This is very educational and I'm sorry it came at your expense.

RJ.

I'll pick up where I got arrested.

In Ala Moana Hotel, second floor of lobby. Sitting between two cops on a bench. They were waiting for some kind of confirmation by radio from somebody. I'm only guessing here but suspect my conversation with undercover girl was being recorded or filmed. Once they said "ok, its good" or something like that, off we went to the parking lot.

We walked into the covered area of Ala Mona, by the ramp where I was just talking to the undercover girl? The put me in a non-descript white van. One cop sat next to me. The other standing outside. Both were wearing street clothes, local guys, very mellow. Actually nice. I was in handcuffs since they grabbed me. Ugh. The one cop started to explain to me what was about to happen. They were going to take me to main police station, book me, put me in a holding cell for awhile (I have no idea why), then release me if I could make bail. They asked if I had 500 dollars on me. I did. Since I expected to pay 300 for the girl anyway, plus I had extra cash on me, just in case my date went longer. The cop even offered to take me to an ATM if I needed more cash, before the police station.

[Prudential808]

In case I get busted, was your attorney Green or Otake? You mentioned that you hired the best.

Maybe Kaneshiro (not that prosecutor Kaneshiro) or Harrison. They are one of tops for sexual crime. But expensive.

[Lknfrpssy]

In case I get busted, was your attorney Green or Otake? You mentioned that you hired the best.

We greeted each other, she stood in front of me, just chatting at first, basic pleasantries. Thew following may not be exactly word for word, but very close to it. She walked me through spelling everything out in details:

[DeeJohn808]

I think the mod should take Darkman's posts, put them in a separate thread, and sticky them to the front page. They're critical reading. Thanks for sharing, Dark.

Darkman808, thanks for your time and effort in writing your interesting trilogy of posts entitled "Set up"; "Wish I could forget, but can't"; and "The Conversation".

They are definitely a valuable addition to the forum.

[Redneck 1]

Darkman808, thanks for your time and effort in writing your interesting trilogy of posts entitled "Set up"; "Wish I could forget, but can't"; and "The Conversation".

They are definitely a valuable addition to the forum.

[Darkman808]

Thank God you managed to get out of that with minimal damage!

And thanks for the info and warning.

How was the conversation weird? Like, was she saying things out loud that are normally assumed? Or did she keep asking you questions about yourself.

We greeted each other, she stood in front of me, just chatting at first, basic pleasantries. Thew following may not be exactly word for word, but very close to it. She walked me through spelling everything out in details:

She started - "You know I'm kinda new at this".

I replied, "I don't do this very often either".

"Well ok. So what are you looking for?

"Uh, well, . Everything I guess".

"Ok, I see. But like I said, I'm kinda new, so I just want to be clear about this before we start. What exactly do you want?

"Well, full service, everything".

"I know, but what does 'everything' mean to you? Some people have different tastes, you know?

"Ok, well. Straight sex and blow job. Covered, I know. I don't care about greek. I'm not really into that, ok? So you don't have to worry about that. ".

"Ok, I see. That's everything. Alright and what about money?

"Well, 300 seems about the going rate lately around here. ".

"300? Is that what you said?

"Yea, 3. Is that ok for you?

"So you'll give me 300 for everything, right?

"Yes".

She paused for a moment, like that was a signal to those listening, maybe.

Right about here is when I started getting a weird feeling. She had really strung me out on saying things specific about money and the actually sex act. And it hit me at that moment, W T F?

I had this sense right then I should walk away. But I didn't.

Then her whole mood changed like she knew the trap was set. She suddenly got real sweet, smiled, warmed up to me and stepped forward.

"Ok, so let's go up then. C'Mon.".

And she started walking towards the entrance, which was a little distance away. As she walked, she stayed in front of me and I at first was trying to catch up to walk next to her. But then I realized, maybe she was trying to stay in front on purpose and not make it look like we were together in case the Hotel security was inside watching (So I actually dropped back a step or two. But she seemed to be walking fast as she stepped through the door and kept going further ahead of me. So I picked up the pace as I passed through inside the glass doors and was trying to catch up with her as it appeared she was almost walking away from me.

Now at this time, there were dozens of Japanese tourists all around me. It was crowded, people walking all around in different directions. I was looking for the girl?! I lost her in the crowd and I thought, Shit! Where is she?

"Before I realized it, two guys, one on each side simultaneously walked alongside of me, coming up from behind so did not see them and both grabbed each of my arms and firmly held me as we all kept walking. One guy said "Keep moving, don't even think of running! We both got you. Do NOT make a scene here!

At first I was pissed and freaking out like I was about to get ripped off. But then one of the guys brandished his badge right in front of my face. "We are with HPD, you are under arrest for solicitation. Do not yell, do not try to get away, do not make a scene. Just cooperate and we'll treat you ok, but if you try to run, you're only going to make this worse. Do you understand?

"yes. ".

"Ok, then we're going to sit right here on this bench. ".

As soon as we sat down, one guy stayed right next to me as he put cuffs on me. The other guy radioed in "Ok, we have him".

Right there I know what had just happened. I had been arrested. End of story. The sinking feeling of all kinds of emotions overwhelmed me. Fuck.

For the record, I never saw that undercover officer again, until my court hearing. I never even saw her at my arraignment. But she was there in case she had to testify at my court appearance. Since I pleaded DAG (Deferred Agreement of Guilt), so there was no cops testifying, only the prosecutor reading the charge, nothing else about the details in the court hearing even came up, just the "charge" of solicitation was read aloud.

I remember sitting outside the courtroom on the bench, next to my attorney, waiting of the start of everything. When I saw the girl, who was hapa, reddish brown hair, fit and nice body, about 5' 8" or so, nice face, and wearing a nice dress with a v-nck showing her nice cleavage, with a hem above her knees, I said to my attorney, "Look! There she is!" He replied, "Who is she?" I said, THAT is the undercover cop that lured me in to all this!

It was funny, because my attorney sat there quietly for a moment, I think he was just sizing her up. Or, I wondered, did he know her? Finally, he blurted out, "Shit, she's good looking! No wonder you got busted. ".

Given the circumstances, it was a weird thing to say at the moment. But it was a man being a man, right?

[DeeJohn808]

I'll pick up where I got arrested.

(Edit amazing story)

That's it. Stay safe boys. Don't get sloppy or lazy. Follow your gut and you'll stay out of trouble. Yes, the undercover cop was good looking. But our conversation was weird. That should have told me something. I was an idiot.

Thank God you managed to get out of that with minimal damage!

And thanks for the info and warning.

How was the conversation weird? Like, was she saying things out loud that are normally assumed? Or did she keep asking you questions about yourself.