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[Oldti]

He is winning he will get 4 more years then its game over just watch the show.

[Sgt Soros]

An explosive New York Post story that sent Trumpworld into a frenzy is riddled with holes and red flags. The New York Posts front-page article about Hunter Biden on Wednesday was written mostly by a staff reporter who refused to put his name on it, according to reports. Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the articles credibility.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...mation-2020-10

FYI, Fox News Passed on Hunter Biden Laptop Story Over Credibility Concerns.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusiv...lity-concerns/

[Sgt Soros]

Exactly. That's why we cannot fix you.

Au contraire, everyone knows the road to idiocracy is paved with folks like you.

[Wizard22]

With SESTA / FOSTA likely to come under judicial review this is a bad time for another super Catholic. https://www.yahoo.com/news/porn-star...084734739.html Just sayin!

[NuGuy36]

Both Twitter and Facebook along with the Main stream media are doing everything they can to stop the truth from getting out. Joe Biden is a fucking traitor and his crack head son is a price of shit. Not only did Joe lie about his contacts with the Ukrainian businessman. His son Flew them to Washington so they could give more money. The only sex tape is Hunter getting his pecker sucked while he was smoking crack. Fucking liberal scum.

An explosive New York Post story that sent Trumpworld into a frenzy is riddled with holes and red flags. The New York Post’s front-page article about Hunter Biden on Wednesday was written mostly by a staff reporter who refused to put his name on it, according to reports. Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article’s credibility.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...mation-2020-10

Yup, I knew it, this story is blowing up faster than a Ford Pinto.

[JeffInnAtlanta]

I am not attacking you, I am disputing your case.

Yes, it will, in. 24% of all cases which includes all the overweight 80 year olds with asthma and diabetes. In the US of ALL the deaths from corona 20 people have died between the ages of 0-45 without underlying conditions. That includes every nurse in the country.

So anyone over the age of 80 their life is not worth saving? Anyone over 45 is less important then someone under 45? Anyone with asthma, diabetes or is overweight is subject to culling? That's a Logan's Run scenario right there. That means that most of the people in government, a large percentage of teachers and scholars, senior military, all over 45 and many living with co-morbidities. There are more smart people older than 45 then there are smart people under 45. Just look at TikTok if you don't see that. Over 45 is where the experience is. I do not agree that those people are just "waiting to die" because they have asthma, diabetes or are overweight. They can live long productive lives. If we just wrote people off that had diseases that could kill them we would not have vaccines and cures for fatal diseases like measles, chicken pox, some cancers and aids. And there are some pretty spry 80 year olds that are worth keeping healthy.

You guys act like corona is ebola when it's not.

I am talking about Covid and how it is more deadly than the other diseases that typically put people in the hospital in the US in the last couple of years. Covid is much more deadly in March than what was happening in the prior 12 month period. Again, throwing a worst case from 2014-2016 just skews the narrative.

When you start writing things like "there is an extremely small, very unlikely chance that a healthy person who contracts corona will die," then I'll start reading whatever else you have to say. Because right now you're just posting danger porn.

Again, I never addressed the number of healthy people would die from Covid. You missed the point. I will give you that a small percentage of people that are healthy will die. I am talking about the people that survive. The cost of people getting sick. The cost of testing positive even though you don't have symptoms, to keep from infecting people that would be at risk. By your argument "gun violence is not a problem because very few people die". So people that get shot and recover, some with horrific injuries, they don't matter? Innocent bystanders hit by errant bullets don't count? By that logic, the people you address below don't matter because "only a small number people (a projection of 14 million out of 7. 8 billion) is "only 0.179%" That means 99.821% of the world population is unaffected. A smaller percentage that have been killed by Covid this year. Again, not my argument.

People die, people die every day. Would some of these people not have died without covid? Yes, but covid came, and next year something else will come and people will die, that's why I posted the "deaths from all numbers" but let me tell you, none of these people would have died without covid hysteria

I never said that Covid was the first or the last threat to the health of people in the US. It is what is happening today and I think we need to understand that death is not the only factor to consider when we talk about the risks of contracting Covid. And I vehemently disagree with the "it is what it is" philosophy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-amid-pandemicThis is nine million people who are going to die slow, painful, horrible, un necessary deaths so that people like you can feel safe.

Here are a half a billion people who have had their lives destroyed so that you could show everybody how virtuous you are by reminding everybody everyday that covid just reaches through the cracks in walls and kills babies

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coro...-globally.html
Of that half a billion how many do you think will die of crime, or no access to medicine, or exposure because they lost their homes, or malnutrition? Do you think in their last moment, while they are laying in the gutter, stomachs distended in agony that they will remember to thank you for wearing your mask and keeping them safe from Covid. Yes, I am showing my contempt for you, I show my contempt for everyone of you who acts as if there are no second nor third, nor fourth order effects from you treating a virus with a 99.74% overall survival rate as if getting it is a death sentence. I live in the third world, I am supporting 4 families that have lost everything who would be hungry without my help, I am fucking disgusted by all of you.

Everything I posted was about Americans. You chose to live where you do. You do what you can where you are. I won't attack you for your choices. But I won't address your attempt to throw out more extreme scenarios affecting people outside of the US to attack the points I made. You saying that people die because of what Americans do and it's somehow our fault is unrealistic and not grounded in fact. But to your point, people die of starvation every day. I agree we should do what we can to save those we can. You are contributing and helping people where you are. Why are you disgusted because I want to educate people where I am? Routinely 9 million people worldwide die of starvation each year. This year the projection is 14 million. Why attack us because of that? By your argument that "people that are going to die are going to die and they don't matter". I will give you that it is a tragedy. But it is not part of my argument.

FYI Pneumonia is caused by either bacteria or virus, it is contagious and can kill you. It will spread, and it will kill nurses, doctors, visitors, and anyone else that gets near the patient.

I am not a doctor. I am not an insider with all the information on how lethal Covid is. But if Covid was "no more deadly than the flu" then why has the need for PPE and ventilators skyrocketed since March? Why is everyone treating this virus like it requires more protections and vigilance? I am not a doctor but I did see how the Federal government said that they were not responsible for providing PPE and equipment, not that it was not needed. Why is Covid being treated differently that pneumonia cases were in January of this year?

Fuck I get tired of grounding you fucks in reality. It was 220,000 who died WITH covid, 70% over the age of 65, 96% who had multiple co morbidities a vast percentage who would have died this year anyway that is why the daily number of people who have died of all causes in the US has NOT spiked, there have been NO ADDITIONAL deaths. If there were then MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED TO DATE, but they have not.

If this is true why have we seen refrigerated vans full of corpses parked behind hospitals? Why have we seen piles of body bags at funeral homes? Have I missed those reports for the time before March 2020? Those point to an uptick in the number of bodies dropping and I welcome a valid reason this has been happening only in the Covid era. But again, I am making the point that deaths are not the only risk of contracting Covid. I made the argument that the COST of people contracting Covid, the ones that die and the ones that survive, needs to be taken in the equation when you decide how you react to Covid.

And as to testing:

Now do the cost to mass test the asymptomatics. Last I read, bringing in a $1B a week or a month. Be afraid, tricks. If the hoes ain't tricking you, others are.

Nice pivot to tricks, I admit I see no sense in that part of your post. Which was it - did you read it was a billion a week or a month? There's a lot of things I didn't address, testing is a whole different argument. But I will say that I see the point in testing, and whatever the cost is, because of the 8.32 million infected people 7.48 are asymptomatic (90% anecdotally). And it would be nice to know if someone is carrying Covid before they go out and infect other people (who can further spread the virus) and where 10% (anecdotally) will require hospitalization. How do you know who the carriers are if you don't test? Testing does not cause positive cases, testing REVEALS positive cases. Testing tells you who needs treatment, and could save their lives. Covid can kill healthy people if untreated. How much does it cost to test the Trump family, and is it justified? I am not a fan, but I think whatever the cost is, it is a necessary cost.

[Admin2]

You are missing a point. That pneumonia and Covid pneumonia are not the same. Pneumonia itself will not kill the nurses, doctors, visitors, and anyone else that gets near the patient, and spread. Covid will.

Yes, it will, in. 24% of all cases which includes all the overweight 80 year olds with asthma and diabetes. In the US of ALL the deaths from corona 20 people have died between the ages of 0-45 without underlying conditions. That includes every nurse in the country. You guys act like corona is ebola when it's not. When you start writing things like "there is an extremely small, very unlikely chance that a healthy person who contracts corona will die," then I'll start reading whatever else you have to say. Because right now you're just posting danger porn. People die, people die every day. Would some of these people not have died without covid? Yes, but covid came, and next year something else will come and people will die, that's why I posted the "deaths from all numbers" but let me tell you, none of these people would have died without covid hysteria
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-amid-pandemicThis is nine million people who are going to die slow, painful, horrible, un necessary deaths so that people like you can feel safe.

Here are a half a billion people who have had their lives destroyed so that you could show everybody how virtuous you are by reminding everybody everyday that covid just reaches through the cracks in walls and kills babies

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coro...-globally.html
Of that half a billion how many do you think will die of crime, or no access to medicine, or exposure because they lost their homes, or malnutrition? Do you think in their last moment, while they are laying in the gutter, stomachs distended in agony that they will remember to thank you for wearing your mask and keeping them safe from Covid. Yes, I am showing my contempt for you, I show my contempt for everyone of you who acts as if there are no second nor third, nor fourth order effects from you treating a virus with a 99.74% overall survival rate as if getting it is a death sentence. I live in the third world, I am supporting 4 families that have lost everything who would be hungry without my help, I am fucking disgusted by all of you.

FYI Pneumonia is caused by either bacteria or virus, it is contagious and can kill you. It will spread, and it will kill nurses, doctors, visitors, and anyone else that gets near the patient.

Fuck I get tired of grounding you fucks in reality. It was 220,000 who died WITH covid, 70% over the age of 65, 96% who had multiple co morbidities a vast percentage who would have died this year anyway that is why the daily number of people who have died of all causes in the US has NOT spiked, there have been NO ADDITIONAL deaths. If there were then MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED TO DATE, but they have not.

[Aaron Hamlet]

I've been waiting for someone to put out the numbers for the costs of treating the virus.

Now do the cost to mass test the asymptomatics. Last I read, bringing in a $1B a week or a month. Be afraid, tricks. If the hoes ain't tricking you, others are.

[JeffInnAtlanta]

I've been waiting for someone to put out the numbers for the costs of treating the virus.

Its $13,000 and if they put them on a ventilator it goes up to $39,000.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
A2

Will you guys never stop pretending that this thing kills a lot of people. One of the lucky ones 99.74% overall survival rate. That has been known for over six months and still team lockdown treats it like ebola.

You are missing a point. That pneumonia and Covid pneumonia are not the same. Pneumonia itself will not kill the nurses, doctors, visitors, and anyone else that gets near the patient, and spread. Covid will. So it requires a lot of extra PPE and whatnot to keep the infection from getting out of control. If you have watched TV then you've seen all of the special protocols and precautions they take with Covid patients. So it makes sense that the cost to treat Covid pneumonia is higher that "just pneumonia". It's not just to "jack up the prices".

OK, so of the 8,300,000 (rounding for the sake of making the math simple) let's say that 10% have symptoms that require hospitalization or care of some sort. I have not seen the figures, but let's run with that for now. So 830 K Americans that are symptomatic with Covid, requiring hospitalization. We know that 224 K of those people died. Those people were all in the $39 K bucket. Let's say just to make the math simple that of the 608 K that survived (or have not yet died) that 200 K were the $39 K level (Covid pneumonia on a ventilator), 200 K were the $13 K level (Covid pneumonia not on a ventilator), and the 208 K were the $5 level (they had Covid, but did not contract pneumonia. Not the same as garden variety pneumonia, but it's a figure, probably way low, to plug in). I am sure the "real" numbers are skewed towards the $39 K level and the $5k number for "just Covid" is low but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. So here is the breakdown:

Patients MC cost Total cost.

224000 39000 8,736,000,000.00.

200000 39000 7,800,000,000.00.

200000 13000 2,600,000,000.00.

208000 5000 1,040,000,000.00.

Total.

832000 20,176,000,000. 00.

So the total if every one of the people that contracted Covid and had pneumonia was on Medicare, the bill would be 20 BILLION dollars. I believe that the number of people that were infected are higher, lots of people did not contract pneumonia. But think about this. We have seen reports of people recovering from Covid and they say their bills from intensive care, ventilators, for multiple months, are up to $500,000. That's for extreme cases. So for expediencies' sake lets say the $39 k costs real dollars $200 k, the $13 k level costs $100 K, and the $5 k level really costs $25 k.

Patients Bills Total.

224000 200000 44,800,000,000. 00.

200000 200000 40,000,000,000. 00.

200000 100000 20,000,000,000. 00.

208000 25000 5,200,000,000.00.

Total.

832000 110,000,000,000. 00.

That's a total cost billing of $110 BILLION dollars. Just a low estimate of the healthcare costs. Those are bills that insurance companies have to pay. Those are bills that people without healthcare go home with. If you get sick and get Covid pneumonia without insurance and you're in the hospital for a couple weeks, could you pay a bill in the $100 k range? Could your elderly parents or grandparents? And when the patient can't pay, the hospital has to write off the cost. How much are hospitals going to lose before this Covid epidemic is over in our country? What do we do when hospitals become insolvent and can't pay their staff, their utilities, pay for supplies? The cost is not just lives.

So on top of that. Of the 749 k infected people (or lower, if more people are actually requiring hospitalization) have the virus. Did they get off scot free? I don't think so. If you are lucky, you don't feel like shit for a few days, or weeks. If you are lucky you don't worry about infecting the others in your household, or worry that they are infected too. And the long term health impacts are still coming to light.

If you are diagnosed as positive you are supposed to quarantine for 14 (or so) days. So you lose a couple of weeks pay, at least. The 8. 32 million people (at a minimum) lost two weeks work (80 hours) times the new minimum wage (again, going to the low end) of $15 is $9. 98 Billion That is just a low estimate lost wages. Again, some people don't quarantine, some work from home, some too sick time or vacation, and some lost a lot more that two weeks. But 10 billion dollars is lost income, at a minimum, money that people don't have for bills, or food, and that is not going back into the economy. And taxes on that 10 billion, not going back to states or the fed.

Going back to the 224 K that have died. Yes, some of you said that they had co-morbidities, they were fat, had cancer, diabetes, lung or heart disease. That is true. But they were LIVING WITH THOSE CO-MORBIDITIES. They were ALIVE. They did not have to die this year. They could have lived for years, decades. The virus took years from them, from their families, from people they could have helped, from people that needed them. 224,001 people today, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/. Some people that died were in their 30's, a few in their 20's. They had DECADES to work, raise kids, love their families, be productive members of society. Who owes them that time? Who owes their families that time? Who owes their kids the car or the college education their parent will not be here to earn the money to pay for?

This just really scratches the surface of the real cost of the Covid-19 virus on the people in our country. I don't expect I am going to change anyone's mind here, but I do hope you think before you hit the SEND button.

All of that, and I didn't call anyone a silly name or talk about anyone's dick. Think about the REAL cost, and grow up. And my personal .02, wear a mask.

[HobbyMan51]

Jeez, you cannot fix stupid!

Exactly. That's why we cannot fix you.

[JeffInnAtlanta]

I've been waiting for someone to put out the numbers for the costs of treating the virus.

Its $13,000 and if they put them on a ventilator it goes up to $39,000.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
A2

Will you guys never stop pretending that this thing kills a lot of people. One of the lucky ones 99.74% overall survival rate. That has been known for over six months and still team lockdown treats it like ebola.

OK, so of the 8,300,000 (rounding for the sake of making the math simple) let's say that 10% have symptoms that require hospitalization. I doubt that 90% of 8. 3 million Americans that contracted Covid are symptom free, but let's run with that for now. So 830 K Americans that are symptomatic with Covid, requiring some sort of medical care. We know that 224 K of those people died. Those people were all in the $39 K bucket. Let's say just to make the math simple that of the 608 K that survived (or have not yet died) that 200 K were the $39 K level, 200 K were the $13 K level, and the 208 K were the $5 level. I am sure the numbers are skewed towards the $39 K level but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. So here is the breakdown:

Patients MC cost Total cost.

224000 39000 8,736,000,000.00.

200000 39000 7,800,000,000.00.

200000 13000 2,600,000,000.00.

208000 5000 1,040,000,000.00.

832000 20,176,000,000. 00.

[Aaron Hamlet]

The medical profession needs to keep the fear going to make money for the hospitals as they list just about all deaths as Covid while ignoring the real cause of death.

Comparing April thru Oct 2019 to same period in 2020, flu cases are down 98%:

'using the WHO FluNet database from the Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS), I have aggregated all flu cases by week from 2019 by WHO transmission zone (there are 18 of them) and also for 2020. Bottom line: confirmed flu cases were down only about 0. 8% globally the first 8 weeks of the year. But as soon as Covid-19 began spreading, flu cases stopped. They're down YoY 69.4% since week 10 and 97.9% since week 15. '.

[Aaron Hamlet]

Many immunologists, epidemiologists, statisticians, etc. Put China Virus herd immunity somewhere between 20-30% total infected, not the 90% put out by MSM, and have the data to back up their claims. Good information exists in layman terms regarding antibodies, B cells, memory T cells, but you have to work to find it. CNN Fox NYT won't tell you. They want you ignorant and scared.

[Sgt Soros]

No, you don't argue with fools, George. You argue with people who have way more common sense and way less of an agenda than you do. You are a Trump hater and a hater of America. That is all anyone needs to know about you. I wear a mask when required to keep others safe alright, as in safe from my right fist upside their head if they attack me in a store for not wearing a mask. That way I keep them safe and me out of jail. That's a two for one, George. A win-win for everybody. Other than that, the goddam things are not effective and are only used as a means by the left to control and manipulate us, something traitors like you are just fine with.

Jeez, you cannot fix stupid!

[Sgt Lurker]

I believe he has said a lot less people would have died under his watch. Obama and Biden had a pandemic playbook that Trump threw away. Biden's claim has some merit.

He said, if Trump was doing his job, not one single American would have died from the COVID. Which translate, no one would have died if he was president. How stupid.