Stupid Shit in Madison

[Oyster]

He didn't just do nothing, though. While he didn't specifically call it a hoax, he did tell people it was nothing to worry about. He said it would go away when it got warm outside, in effect, that this would resolve itself naturally in a timely manner while he had people around him to tell him otherwise.

He also disbanded the pandemic response team we enacted after the ebola scare a few years ago. We had some measure of governmental infrastructure to combat this exact situation and chose to dismiss it.

We could have reacted to this new disease in December. China had a novel disease that people had been predicting would emerge for years; and dragged its feet about officially declaring its existence until December 31st. Trump dismissed this as a threat to American lives and our economy for months. We could have done something to protect ourselves, and we did not.

Mediocre.

[Sanctimonious6]

Trump didn't claim Covid was a hoax. Maybe you shouldn't believe every out of context tv ad you see.

What's True.

During a Feb. 28,2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax. " During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False.

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

I have to reluctantly agree on this narrow point, but it amounts to nitpicking. Trump's response was to do nothing for weeks. Fwiw, Snopes is a much better fact-checking site than Politifact, which gets stuff wrong all the time. Snopes is the gold standard and is not politically biased.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/

[Taurus44]

Amen brother I'm just getting over the disease 3rd day no fever was tough and go for a few days.

I dicked around w / 3 doc visited until I demanded the test.

Only to wait 9 days for results.

He can spin it al he wants but the dRump asswipe called it a hoax.

It wasn't a hoax to me lying in a hospital bed.

Trump didn't claim Covid was a hoax. Maybe you shouldn't believe every out of context tv ad you see.

What's True.

During a Feb. 28,2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax. " During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False.

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

[MayorPaul]

Your ignorance is showing. I have no idea where you grew up, but in the 60's "everyone" didn't have the diseases you reference.

And in certain people they can all be deadly, especially measles. No doctor in their right mind then or now would not recommend vaccines. And the reason you're not sure if you got a vaccine for chicken pox is that there wasn't one until the mid nineties. Since your unsure about that, the rest of your post should be taken with a grain of salt.

Your ignorance is on display now LOL. I grew up about 30 miles from Madison. Clearly you know nothing how it was back then. You received your vaccinations at school in the gym usually did the whole school in 2 days. They brought in 3 nurse to do the vaccinating. You could get an exemption if you already had the disease. Trust me I lived it and went through it all. Forgot we got a tb vaccination to. All shots were for each specific disease individually. Everyone stood in line you sat in a chair and the nurse gave the shot. I know every kid in the school had measles because it spread like crazy. One kid caught it then everyone soon had it. You had to stay in a darkened room when you had it. And no one died or suffered any type complications from measles. With mumps guys had to stay in bed so they wouldn't go down on you. Use your imagination on that. No doctors were ever worried about those normal childhood diseases. Guess us kids weren't a bunch of snowflakes back in those days. Educate yourself a little on how it was. Humanity survived for thousands years without handsanitzer and modern medicine. Oh even msnbc had a report the corona virus death rate is 0. 15 . Guessing only NSA know the real truth.

[Trogon]

Regardless of whose numbers one believes, South Korea is being held up as the model for dealing with COVID-19 intelligently. They moved swiftly and aggressively as soon as there were indications that the virus had spread to their country. They tested tons of people right away and isolated those who had it. If we had done that instead of dicking around in denial for 6 weeks, the USA Wouldn't now have the most cases in the world, by a growing margin. And everybody could get back to work much sooner. But our so-called leaders really botched it.

Amen brother I'm just getting over the disease 3rd day no fever was tough and go for a few days.

I dicked around w / 3 doc visited until I demanded the test.

Only to wait 9 days for results.

He can spin it al he wants but the dRump asswipe called it a hoax.

It wasn't a hoax to me lying in a hospital bed.

[RawlSocket]

Didn't need many vaccines back in the 1960's as everyone had already caught every disease. They were not big on vaccination back then. Everyone caught measles, mumps, and whooping cough. Chicken pox was very common to I can't remember if I had a vaccination or not but I never caught that one. And guess what no one died from them either that I was aware of at least in my area. They did give us the polio sugar cube and a smallpox shot. Oh I received a mumps shot to but most of all the kids contracted mumps before I got the shot. It was a different time back then Drs. Never recommended vaccination back then. Somehow we all survived these common childhood diseases like our parents and grandparents did. I did hear stories growing up about the polio epidemic from old timers. Everyone stayed at home inside like the current situation. I regard poltifacts numbers as correct if they are wrong they will correct them. Polifact leans more to the left if they could make things look worse they would have. I spent several hours trying to find a universal number and numbers were all over the place. As one sciencetist said we won't know the actual rate until it's over. It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them. And China reports a 2% death rate. For you conspiracy guys 21 million cellphone numbers have gone quite in China for some reason. Can't pay the bill due to the shutdown? Or they died? Ebola was a reference to the media madness that occurred back just like we see today. Did see covid is much much worse for people who smoke cigarettes or pot. Vaping was another no no. Smoking crack or meth also had devastating implications. Opiate use was also mentioned as bad. There go 90% of the escorts. The only thing I'm doing is avoiding going to a populated area like Madison where your more likely to contract this. Same as I would do if if their was a flu outbreak.

Your ignorance is showing. I have no idea where you grew up, but in the 60's "everyone" didn't have the diseases you reference.

And in certain people they can all be deadly, especially measles. No doctor in their right mind then or now would not recommend vaccines. And the reason you're not sure if you got a vaccine for chicken pox is that there wasn't one until the mid nineties. Since your unsure about that, the rest of your post should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Sanctimonious6]

It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them.

Regardless of whose numbers one believes, South Korea is being held up as the model for dealing with COVID-19 intelligently. They moved swiftly and aggressively as soon as there were indications that the virus had spread to their country. They tested tons of people right away and isolated those who had it. If we had done that instead of dicking around in denial for 6 weeks, the USA Wouldn't now have the most cases in the world, by a growing margin. And everybody could get back to work much sooner. But our so-called leaders really botched it.

[MayorPaul]

"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead. We are just barley getting started. Our death rate has been increasing daily by 25% as well as conformed cases. According to this trend we will reach 4000 dead per / day in 3 weeks. The infection spread is not actually represented accurately due to lack of screening of the populace. What we are seeing for confirmed cases is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. Based on known cases and death rates alone and data coming from Italy our country will have a minimum of 121 million cases over 12 months at 3. 5 % mortality that is conservatively 4. 6 million deaths. Ok not buying the death rate? Cut it in half. 2. 3 million deaths. And these numbers are based on only 40% of the population getting infected. The projections are 40 to 70 %. The high side is 8 million dead. Ok cut that in half. 4 million dead. And that is just the 1st wave of the virus. The second wave (which is a signature of novel viruses) will be worse. LOOK AT ITALY. Our numbers are bunk, the tip of the iceberg. When we hit 4000 per day in the next three weeks get back to me. " When this goes full swing in India?! Holy hell poor nation. Crowding, crap healthcare. Thenubers coming out of China are being totally suppressed. As they will try to do here.

Italy has an extremely poor example of socialized health care absolutely horrible. For anyone over 60 like me no they gave you to the wolves. No treatment at all for those over 60 other than pain medication so you didn't suffer while dying. They allowed Chinese citizens to keep entering Italy. That Meditoranian diet makes for lots of old people. Huge disaster fo Italy. Makes you wonder about India over a billion people and only 1000 cases last report.

[MayorPaul]

I can assume from your posts you probably never get a flu shot, you probably believe it causes the flu. Anti-vaxxer too? I see you didn't do any research on ebola. Yeah, if we don't get it, it's not important.

Didn't need many vaccines back in the 1960's as everyone had already caught every disease. They were not big on vaccination back then. Everyone caught measles, mumps, and whooping cough. Chicken pox was very common to I can't remember if I had a vaccination or not but I never caught that one. And guess what no one died from them either that I was aware of at least in my area. They did give us the polio sugar cube and a smallpox shot. Oh I received a mumps shot to but most of all the kids contracted mumps before I got the shot. It was a different time back then Drs. Never recommended vaccination back then. Somehow we all survived these common childhood diseases like our parents and grandparents did. I did hear stories growing up about the polio epidemic from old timers. Everyone stayed at home inside like the current situation. I regard poltifacts numbers as correct if they are wrong they will correct them. Polifact leans more to the left if they could make things look worse they would have. I spent several hours trying to find a universal number and numbers were all over the place. As one sciencetist said we won't know the actual rate until it's over. It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them. And China reports a 2% death rate. For you conspiracy guys 21 million cellphone numbers have gone quite in China for some reason. Can't pay the bill due to the shutdown? Or they died? Ebola was a reference to the media madness that occurred back just like we see today. Did see covid is much much worse for people who smoke cigarettes or pot. Vaping was another no no. Smoking crack or meth also had devastating implications. Opiate use was also mentioned as bad. There go 90% of the escorts. The only thing I'm doing is avoiding going to a populated area like Madison where your more likely to contract this. Same as I would do if if their was a flu outbreak.

[RawlSocket]

Yeah we can check back in 2 weeks and see just the normal handful of people who were already on deaths door have succumbed to corvid19. It's the same old scare tactics they used with Ebola, Murs, and SARS. But hey the important thing is people are watching the media circus. Sure am glad they put 25 million in aid to the Kennedy Performing Arts Center to help stop covid 19 in this 2 trillion package. Its an entertaining time we live in. Far as Ebola it was just another fear mongering story to shake people up exactly like this covid 19.

If you do get it covid 19 expect a low grade fever and dry cough. Probably won't even know you have it. Old people with health problems or those with challenged mmune system are another story. They try to scare people every year into getting the flu shot using all those high death numbers to. I never fall for it and the last time I contracted the flu was 40+ years ago. But hey feel free to follow the advice they put out. I have no interest in doing so. If I get it and die you can have the last laugh!

I can assume from your posts you probably never get a flu shot, you probably believe it causes the flu. Anti-vaxxer too? I see you didn't do any research on ebola. Yeah, if we don't get it, it's not important.

[Admin2]

"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead.

The mortality rate is inflated because lack of testing has the morbidity rate showing too low.

I'm not a doc, nor do I play one on tv but I do like to wager and my money says that the morbidity rate is going to be 1000 X of "confirmed" cases which means that the decimal point on the true mortality rate is going to move over a couple spots. I'm not a doc and I live in a country that is on complete lockdown and I'm respecting it. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing with what they are saying about the data. In both China and Italy the overwhelming number of morbidity was over 60 and the same with mortality.

Distribution of cases by age: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-group-italy/.

Distribution of deaths by age: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gion-in-italy/.

Probably a lot more younger people have it but like they said at the beginning of this thing which has now become politically incorrect to say "the majority of people will not know they have it" so the morbidity distribution showing in that chart is probably wrong and it's probably more equal across the board. That doesn't change the distribution of mortality though, it's kind of easy to not recognize somebody who's asymptomatic but people tend to notice dead bodies.

What about letting old people lay up in luxury resorts while getting fed peeled grapes and caviar omelettes from screened half naked beautiful celebrities and the rest of the people just get on with their business? Then when there is a vaccine grandma and grandpa can go home.

Just saying, maybe there is a middle path.

A2

Thanks for keeping this off the review threads.

[AnotherHobbist]

Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph.

You may want to re-read that page. It seems to me that they mis-spoke in the correction at the bottom. The page says:

The latest daily report on COVID-19 from the World Health Organization, issued March 16, 2020, said there have been 167,515 confirmed cases and 6,606 deaths. Thats a death rate of 3.9%.

The flu death rate is much lower.

In its latest weekly report on the 2019-20 flu, for the week ending March 7, 2020, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates there have been 36 million flu illnesses and 22,000 deaths. Thats a rate of 0.06%.

And the correction says:

Correction, March 24, 2020: CDC estimates have indicated a COVID-19 death rate of 0.06%, not 0.0006%, as we originally reported. This fact-check has been updated with the correct figure.

So the value corrected was for the FLU rate.

They give you URLs for the source WHO/CDC reports for both of these numbers, if you want to follow them up. I did. And the numbers quoted in the body of the page are correct, so the correction mis-states what was corrected.

The page was: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...us-death-rate/.

[Bob2020]

Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph. I also found on politifact another fact check showing the South Korea outbreak was 0. 06 as well. Third world country like China was over 2%.

I'm pretty sure there was an error in their posted "correction". If you look at the article, the percentage that they had previously quoted as 0. 00006% was for the seasonal flu, not covid.

If you look at the cached version of the page from March 22nd, you'll clearly see that the seasonal's flu mortality rate was the one being mis-quoted (and subsequently corrected).

https://web.archive.org/web/20200322...us-death-rate/

By the way, I pray that you're right, and that our reaction is more than necessary. However, nobody right now (including our President or any other government agency) suggests we should slow down the isolation measures anytime in these next 2 weeks. Wouldn't it be prudent to go by *everyone's* advice right now, and maybe re-assess where we are when the facts are more clear by then? If we need to loosen up, that's great, but if we need to keep going at least we won't have wasted time.

[MayorPaul]

Would you mind posting a link? I don't see that claim on the politifact web site.

Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph. I also found on politifact another fact check showing the South Korea outbreak was 0. 06 as well. Third world country like China was over 2%.

[HospyPro]

Ok this is coming from politifact which used info from CDC dated March 24 2020. The actually death rate from novel corona 19 is 0. 06%. Compared to the average flu which is 0. 01%. A very far cry from the pandemic "crisis" we are hearing 24-7 from the media. Not 1% 2%3% or 5% the numbers the media is using for the death rate, but 0. 06% !

"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead. We are just barley getting started. Our death rate has been increasing daily by 25% as well as conformed cases. According to this trend we will reach 4000 dead per / day in 3 weeks. The infection spread is not actually represented accurately due to lack of screening of the populace. What we are seeing for confirmed cases is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. Based on known cases and death rates alone and data coming from Italy our country will have a minimum of 121 million cases over 12 months at 3. 5 % mortality that is conservatively 4. 6 million deaths. Ok not buying the death rate? Cut it in half. 2. 3 million deaths. And these numbers are based on only 40% of the population getting infected. The projections are 40 to 70 %. The high side is 8 million dead. Ok cut that in half. 4 million dead. And that is just the 1st wave of the virus. The second wave (which is a signature of novel viruses) will be worse. LOOK AT ITALY. Our numbers are bunk, the tip of the iceberg. When we hit 4000 per day in the next three weeks get back to me. " When this goes full swing in India?! Holy hell poor nation. Crowding, crap healthcare. Thenubers coming out of China are being totally suppressed. As they will try to do here.