Ripoff Reports

[NbWill]

What is that scammers get out of that? Phone numbers to hack? Emails to spam? I am just curious. Any spammers out there that want to enlighten us? .

[Bud Green]

I'm posting this because there are an increasing number of posts asking "Has anybody seen this one?" when the ad in question is clearly a fake / scam. So we'll use the fake ad in the following link to discuss the red flags that accompany most fakes (I will use the words "fake" and "scam" synonymously from here on):

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Let's start with the title:

Single mom Want li.cked pussy-- 862***2074

Scammers will often use overtly crass language that most providers would not. Most providers are subtle in their titles, often with clever innuendos suggesting what they want without being so explicit. Also, fakes seem to favor descriptors like "single mom," "unhappy wife," "recently divorced," that legitimate ads don't. Scammers will also throw in errors (like the capital W or the period in "li.cked") to try and make the ads appear legitimate and not too clean, but I wouldn't use this as a red flag unless you're very experienced at spotting how fake ad errors are often noticably different from real ones.

Now for that phone number with the unrecognizable area code. The vast majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The vast majority of fake ads will not. There are notable exceptions like Kate and Christian, who kept their mobile numbers when they moved here, but most Volusia providers do have 386 area codes, with a smattering of the others thrown in.

Next, their advertised age. I don't recommend using an ad's listed age to discriminate fakes. So many legitimate ads have fake ages that it makes it hard to tell. However, I'd say about 98% of Volusia providers list their age as 24 or older. Offhand I can only recall one active advertiser who lists an age younger than 24 (Deland Barbie, 22). So the listed age of 27 in our example isn't a red flag to me, but you should be highly skeptical of any ad with a listed age of 18 or 19.

And now the improbably good pictures. I recommend taking a good look at the pictures of providers you know are legitimate* and comparing them to our example. Many fakes have high-quality images (good lighting, staging, etc. much like our example pictures) with high-quality content (like the improbably hot lass in our example). Most real ads will be low-quality images with realistic women as the subject.

* You know an ad is legitimate because reputable mongers have reviewed them. This means you have to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). I really can't stress this enough. You must read the forum (more on this later).

The next thing you should do is a TinEye (or similar) search on the images to see where else they appear on the web. Here are three ways to do this (and here I assume you are using a smartphone):

Method 1. Within the STG ad, tap on the picture in question. Then tap on the link at the bottom of the picture that says "Is this photo real?" This method used to work for me but now I get a security policy error, so on to method 2.

Method 2. Within the ad, tap on the picture in question. Next, tap-and-hold on the image. When the menu comes up, select "Copy Image Location" or similar option. Next, launch tineye.com. Tap-and-hold on the search field, select "Paste" from the pop-up menu, and tap the search button (the one with the magnifying glass icon). This method works with most browsers on most sites, but doesn't work for me on our archive.ph example, so on to method 3.

Method 3. If the previous 2 methods don't work, this one almost certainly will. In our fake ad example, tap on the picture. Next, tap-and-hold on the image until the pop-up menu comes up. Select "Save Image" or similar and save it to a folder you can easily find (like Downloads, Gallery, etc.). Then launch tineye.com. Press the upload button which is to the left of the search field and navigate to the folder you saved your picture in. Then select your picture and TinEye does the rest. In our example, three hits came back dating back to 2013. Also, the same pics are in use currently (as of this posting) on escortads.ch in Ames Iowa with a different phone number. Pretty questionable for a Daytona lass. If you are really computer savvy, it couldn't hurt to run other image processing and matching applications, but expounding on them all here is a bridge too far I'm afraid.

Thank you for your time and effort in sharing your words of wisdom. Much appreciated.

[Member #6026]

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Now that you've scanned through the ad, if you still think it might be real, the next thing you do is read the forum. There's really no shortcutting this one. In fact, you should have been reading the forum all along and know if she's been reviewed or not. This is important because many ads don't list names to search, so it helps if you've already read all available reviews and clicked on the links within (which good reviews should have) so you know who's being discussed and can connect names with ads. You can also search other forums / review sites, and look for that provider's ads on other sites as well.

There are still plausible reasons why real ads have red flags in them. But the totality of the red flags in scamming ads is usually pretty overwhelming. I've often felt real ads could be fakes (Christian was one, http://archive.ph/Z5klv) but I'm not sure I've ever thought that a fake ad was real. Then again, I am an absolute dick to these scammers (going out of my way to waste their time) so I have a great deal of experience perusing ads, fake and real. Until you build up your own experience base, it's likely that you'll think some fake ads are real. Or perhaps you're on an escort ad site that gives you very little information. Some sites are pictures and phone numbers only. Some sites are just a line or two of text and a phone number. What do you do then?

I recommend you download and install an anonymous texting app and text them. Remember, the scammers are trying to monetise these fake ads, so at some point you'll be asked for a deposit or an up-front payment. That's your cue to eject (or keep them texting to waste their time), because in our tiny mongering bubbleverse, a deposit means you are being ripped off.

In closing, treat provider ads with skepticism. Until you get a practiced eye for scam-spotting, it doesn't hurt to assume all ads are fake until the preponderance of evidence convinces you otherwise. Look at the totality of red flags in their ads, read the forum/s, and text them anonymously if you still aren't sure. Note that scammers are growing ever more sophisticated in their tactics, and this guide is based on Volusia County mongering in late 2019. It will probably need to be updated for other locales or as time passes. Also note that this little tutorial was written to help you avoid falling prey to scammers who post fake ads. Additional actions should be taken to mitigate other hobby hazards, but these lay outside the scope of this missive and are generally covered throughout the length and breadth of this forum. So RTFF!

Since I certainly haven't provided every possible tip for spotting fake ads, by all means suggest modifications to what I've written, or offer some scam-spotting tips of your own.

Cheers!

[Member #6026]

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

The "I see" field looks fine in our example ad, as not much could be gleaned from any selection. I suppose it would be weird if the ad only selected "couples," but I could see a real provider selecting the wrong button too.

The "Race / Regionality" and "Hair Color" fields also look fine, since they obviously match the pics. Scammers will often get ethnicity wrong, but real providers seldom do. Hair color isn't a good metric since real providers change their hair color all the time.

And now the "Accepted Payment Methods" field. Very few real Volusia providers accept all of these payment forms. Just 18 months ago, all real providers were cash-only. Now it's common for real providers to accept CashApp, Vemno, and maybe one or two others. But remember, a scammer is trying to monetise their fake ad, so they will almost always list some form of web-based payment. Currently, if the only method listed is cash, the add is usually real. This is slowly changing, however, as the scammers get more sophisticated. A few fakes only list "Cash" but will ask for a CashApp deposit when you contact them (more on that later).

The "Available For" and "Hours" fields look fine, and not much can usually be gleaned from these anyway, plus legitimate providers mess these up too.

Now for the "Location" field. First off, if the stated location is something generic like "in your area" or "Downtown," the ad is most likely a scam. However, scammers are getting more sophisticated, like in our example of "Daytona," and are sending ads targeting specific communities. So something specific like "ISB" or "Beachside Daytona" can no longer be a reliable indication of a real ad. But again, a generic location is almost always a fake.

The "Weight" field in our example looks okay. If the weight is listed in kilograms, the ad is fake. If the weight is way off, it could be fake, but real providers sometimes typo this field too.

The "Bust / Waist / Hips" in our example is a red flag. Clearly the dimensions listed, which are nearly cylindrical, do not match the lass in the pictures. This field is also susceptible to provider typos as well.

The "Breasts," "Grooming down under," "Piercing," and "Tattoos" fields all look fine, as they generally match the pictures. Here you're looking for obvious errors, like an ad of a lassy all tatted up stating "Tattoos: none".

Ah, the narrative. The one in our example is particularly bad: "I'm 27 yrs old single mom looking for a sexy guy who can suck my thick pussy fuck me hard satisfy me. I love to suck only real guy. All guys is welcome. I can host but must be discreet. Age no matter. I can host anytim Text me 862***2074". Again, compare this drivel to ads you know are real. Clearly the author is not a native English speaker. The lack of articles (like the word "the") smacks of a Russian, Ukrainian, or similar scammer troll. The over-the-top crass and tasteless prose is also a major red flag. Be especially wary when the ad states something like "need a real man with huge dick to satisfy me". No real provider (unless she's an idiot) would purposefully scare off 90% of her potential customers this way.

The "Activities this service provider may enjoy" section appears to have every option selected. This is common for fakes but less common for real providers with real limitations and personal preferences.

Now the "Call Me" button. Again, the majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The majority of fake ads will not.

[Member #6026]

I'm posting this because there are an increasing number of posts asking "Has anybody seen this one?" when the ad in question is clearly a fake / scam. So we'll use the fake ad in the following link to discuss the red flags that accompany most fakes (I will use the words "fake" and "scam" synonymously from here on):

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Let's start with the title:

Single mom Want li.cked pussy-- 862***2074

Scammers will often use overtly crass language that most providers would not. Most providers are subtle in their titles, often with clever innuendos suggesting what they want without being so explicit. Also, fakes seem to favor descriptors like "single mom," "unhappy wife," "recently divorced," that legitimate ads don't. Scammers will also throw in errors (like the capital W or the period in "li.cked") to try and make the ads appear legitimate and not too clean, but I wouldn't use this as a red flag unless you're very experienced at spotting how fake ad errors are often noticably different from real ones.

Now for that phone number with the unrecognizable area code. The vast majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The vast majority of fake ads will not. There are notable exceptions like Kate and Christian, who kept their mobile numbers when they moved here, but most Volusia providers do have 386 area codes, with a smattering of the others thrown in.

Next, their advertised age. I don't recommend using an ad's listed age to discriminate fakes. So many legitimate ads have fake ages that it makes it hard to tell. However, I'd say about 98% of Volusia providers list their age as 24 or older. Offhand I can only recall one active advertiser who lists an age younger than 24 (Deland Barbie, 22). So the listed age of 27 in our example isn't a red flag to me, but you should be highly skeptical of any ad with a listed age of 18 or 19.

And now the improbably good pictures. I recommend taking a good look at the pictures of providers you know are legitimate* and comparing them to our example. Many fakes have high-quality images (good lighting, staging, etc. much like our example pictures) with high-quality content (like the improbably hot lass in our example). Most real ads will be low-quality images with realistic women as the subject.

* You know an ad is legitimate because reputable mongers have reviewed them. This means you have to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). I really can't stress this enough. You must read the forum (more on this later).

The next thing you should do is a TinEye (or similar) search on the images to see where else they appear on the web. Here are three ways to do this (and here I assume you are using a smartphone):

Method 1. Within the STG ad, tap on the picture in question. Then tap on the link at the bottom of the picture that says "Is this photo real?" This method used to work for me but now I get a security policy error, so on to method 2.

Method 2. Within the ad, tap on the picture in question. Next, tap-and-hold on the image. When the menu comes up, select "Copy Image Location" or similar option. Next, launch tineye.com. Tap-and-hold on the search field, select "Paste" from the pop-up menu, and tap the search button (the one with the magnifying glass icon). This method works with most browsers on most sites, but doesn't work for me on our archive.ph example, so on to method 3.

Method 3. If the previous 2 methods don't work, this one almost certainly will. In our fake ad example, tap on the picture. Next, tap-and-hold on the image until the pop-up menu comes up. Select "Save Image" or similar and save it to a folder you can easily find (like Downloads, Gallery, etc.). Then launch tineye.com. Press the upload button which is to the left of the search field and navigate to the folder you saved your picture in. Then select your picture and TinEye does the rest. In our example, three hits came back dating back to 2013. Also, the same pics are in use currently (as of this posting) on escortads.ch in Ames Iowa with a different phone number. Pretty questionable for a Daytona lass. If you are really computer savvy, it couldn't hurt to run other image processing and matching applications, but expounding on them all here is a bridge too far I'm afraid.

[BigBoy3470]

I sent her a text late last night and thankfully she never responded. It was after LuvEm69 had posted his report (which I did not see or I never would've tried). She was high on my to do list and I even sent some private messages to a fellow monger asking about her but now I will not be wasting my time or my marios that she so much is in need of!

She's back new pictures be careful she will do 60 or 80 be very very careful.

[BeachRunner51]

I've known her for some time she was very beautiful took 8 months drugs and pimps she did the same to me outcall she's good at it.

I sent her a text late last night and thankfully she never responded. It was after LuvEm69 had posted his report (which I did not see or I never would've tried). She was high on my to do list and I even sent some private messages to a fellow monger asking about her but now I will not be wasting my time or my marios that she so much is in need of!

[BigBoy3470]

http://archive.today/l2qCv

Reached out to this Philly for round two and had several failed attempts until Friday afternoon. Sh8e stated she was at the trap house off MLK and I was to pick her up and shuttle her to my place for a little afternoon fun. Comms were steady and she asked me to let her know when 5 minutes out. I did so and as I rolled out passed the residence with a male individual standing on the porch I pulled past and waited. I saw her come out of the back and hop the fence to jump into passenger seat. She hopped in with the redhead of hers and asked if I had the donation on me. I replied nope have it at home since the agreement was to go there. She said she wanted it first which wasn't going to happen.

She said I know her so doesn't understand why I don't trust her and blah, blah, blah. She jumped out and sad she would be right back and in the back she went.

A few minutes later the dude on the porch came over to edge of fence and waved me off at the same time I got a text telling me to leave. She also said she doesn't normally do it but, "Most guy's give Roses upfront cause they already know I'm the romantic type. " My response was only a fool would do such and she knew that so have a good day. Just goes to show how twisted these girls can be from one visit to another..

I've known her for some time she was very beautiful took 8 months drugs and pimps she did the same to me outcall she's good at it.

[LuvEm69]

http://archive.today/l2qCv

Reached out to this Philly for round two and had several failed attempts until Friday afternoon. She stated she was at the trap house off MLK and I was to pick her up and shuttle her to my place for a little afternoon fun. Comms were steady and she asked me to let her know when 5 minutes out. I did so and as I rolled out passed the residence with a male individual standing on the porch I pulled past and waited. I saw her come out of the back and hop the fence to jump into passenger seat. She hopped in with the redhead of hers and asked if I had the donation on me. I replied nope have it at home since the agreement was to go there. She said she wanted it first which wasn't going to happen.

She said I know her so doesn't understand why I don't trust her and blah, blah, blah. She jumped out and sad she would be right back and in the back she went.

A few minutes later the dude on the porch came over to edge of fence and waved me off at the same time I got a text telling me to leave. She also said she doesn't normally do it but, "Most guy's give Roses upfront cause they already know I'm the romantic type. " My response was only a fool would do such and she knew that so have a good day. Just goes to show how twisted these girls can be from one visit to another.

To be clear, she did NOT get over on the donation because she wasn't given the opportunity. She may very well have come back, but there was NO WAY IN HELL I was going to provide her such an opportunity because she would have had no incentive to do so.

[NewAgain]

Protect yourself. I use a monger email and a voip app for texting and calling. Screw it. Gots to be safe!

That ad, and similar ads, are all over the Communty / Groups postings. Looks like they're all trolling for your email address, since they all want you to respond to a gmail account. Let's flag every one of them. I already flagged about 10 of them, but I'm sure more will pop up.

[CozyJones]

That ad, and similar ads, are all over the Communty / Groups postings. Looks like they're all trolling for your email address, since they all want you to respond to a gmail account. Let's flag every one of them. I already flagged about 10 of them, but I'm sure more will pop up.

Looking at CL this morning and came across this listing. https://daytona.craigslist.org/grp/d...79035022.html. Wonder if they ever read what they post.

Heading says Widow Mom (so sorry) but then no kids? So how can you be a "widow mom". As Forest Gump would say stupid is, as stupid does.

[NewAgain]

Too funny. Alanis Morrisett song. Comes to mind.

Ad is already down. Phishing Sex. Latest trend now. LOL.

Looking at CL this morning and came across this listing. https://daytona.craigslist.org/grp/d...79035022.html. Wonder if they ever read what they post.

Heading says Widow Mom (so sorry) but then no kids? So how can you be a "widow mom". As Forest Gump would say stupid is, as stupid does.

[Nudeed]

Looking at CL this morning and came across this listing. https://daytona.craigslist.org/grp/d...79035022.html. Wonder if they ever read what they post.

Heading says Widow Mom (so sorry) but then no kids? So how can you be a "widow mom". As Forest Gump would say stupid is, as stupid does.

[CuddleBeast]

This I girl that looks like she is about 60 lbs. She is working with Sierra. They are both shady as hell. Saw on beach side scooted out bathroom window. Then found out little miss Sierra owes a lot of money to a big guy that's not good. And couple of her drug dealer got popped don't know if she snitch or not I know that she has using what ever she can get her hands on.

[Mongerlicious]

http://daytona.skipthegames.com/fema...t/664886437091

She posts a lot but I ran into her last summer on WYP and she cash and dashed me at a local hotel. I was out of the hobby for a bit but I started looking through old numbers and the current one she is using is the same number she was using when she ripped me off. I really should have known better but we all get caught once or twice even if we are seasoned.