The Massholes

[HappyDave]

It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.

It's more often the secret UTR, is no bargain something we already know about and not even close to our regular travels.

[OlGary]

No. Never heard of anything like that going on. Most of those girls see 1-2 guys every week, 10 more (at most!) every other week, and maybe 20 more on the monthly basis. Never more than 5-6 per day from what I understand. I knew some who never allowed more than one hour appointments, mostly because they don't want anyone to get any ideas that it's more than work. That doesn't mean that they'd kick you out the minute your time is up though. Far from it. Sometimes they may end spending an extra hour with you just for the heck of it if they feel comfortable enough with you. They definitely quickly weed out wham-bam-thank-you-mam type of hobbyists out of their rotation and settle on those that for one reason or another they also find interesting. Not surprisingly they also usually charge less than what you commonly find on eros or SA. One regular that sees a UTR twice / month for $150 is worth to her more both financially and purely on the human level, than somebody who sees a traveling provider for $400 when she finally hits town again.

I also heard some of them say that money is not worth the aggravation that you get with the expectations and attitudes that you get from those who pay more. I remember how myself and couple of other hobbyists tried to convince one of such ladies that with her looks, attitude, sex skills, and education level she could (and should) charge more and even explained to her how she could go about doing that. Well, guess what? All of us got a push back from her on that as far as I know.

It's definitely was much more open here when the crowd that preferred TER stayed with TER, and we had only had our own USASG crowd here. The difference in attitude and approach between the two is like night and day. That's why you have many USASG old timers being much more careful here now than ever before. IMHO.

Well, I wasn't talking about activities of a specific provider. I, probably, didn't explain myself well enough, but I was trying to say that even if a hypothetical, high-quality "UTR" provider with loyal, returning clientele takes it to extremes, fu-king non-stop without days off, she will max up somewhere around 75 guys. It's a specific, finite number. At this point, she may be not willing to take new clients anymore. I meant to agree with what you guys wrote previously. I realize that depending on specific circumstances they may max up at a much lower volume.

[Nrlmus]

Actually, you guys might be right. Assuming that a regular taker sees her 2 times a month for a 2-hour-long session (we are not talking about 30 min hohos here), 5 guys a day would, probably, be a maximum number she can do. Then, simple calculations show that she will only need 150 guys for the whole monthly rotation. In reality it could be less if she doesn't work every day.

No. Never heard of anything like that going on. Most of those girls see 1-2 guys every week, 10 more (at most!) every other week, and maybe 20 more on the monthly basis. Never more than 5-6 per day from what I understand. I knew some who never allowed more than one hour appointments, mostly because they don't want anyone to get any ideas that it's more than work. That doesn't mean that they'd kick you out the minute your time is up though. Far from it. Sometimes they may end spending an extra hour with you just for the heck of it if they feel comfortable enough with you. They definitely quickly weed out wham-bam-thank-you-mam type of hobbyists out of their rotation and settle on those that for one reason or another they also find interesting. Not surprisingly they also usually charge less than what you commonly find on eros or SA. One regular that sees a UTR twice / month for $150 is worth to her more both financially and purely on the human level, than somebody who sees a traveling provider for $400 when she finally hits town again.

I also heard some of them say that money is not worth the aggravation that you get with the expectations and attitudes that you get from those who pay more. I remember how myself and couple of other hobbyists tried to convince one of such ladies that with her looks, attitude, sex skills, and education level she could (and should) charge more and even explained to her how she could go about doing that. Well, guess what? All of us got a push back from her on that as far as I know.

It's definitely was much more open here when the crowd that preferred TER stayed with TER, and we had only had our own USASG crowd here. The difference in attitude and approach between the two is like night and day. That's why you have many USASG old timers being much more careful here now than ever before. IMHO.

[OlGary]

You sound salty.

Actually, you guys might be right. Assuming that a regular taker sees her 2 times a month for a 2-hour-long session (we are not talking about 30 min hohos here), 5 guys a day would, probably, be a maximum number she can do. Then, simple calculations show that she will only need 75 guys for the whole monthly rotation. In reality it could be less if she doesn't work every day.

[Talisker1370]

It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.

You sound salty.

[Nrlmus]

It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.

Maybe because they don't want to see 50 guys. They want to supplement their income by establishing 5-10 regulars but no more. Or maybe they work limited times. There are many that come to Boston from out of town for one or two days per week, or even per month and either find themselves being booked to the max, or maybe during those two days they just want to limit themselves to no more than 3-4 guys per day.

If they got looks and their customer service is significantly better than average you can be sure they'd quickly stop advertising and go UTR. Many of them also prefer to strike "working relationships" with few guys rather than keep spreading it for those who are not into repeats, or return once in a blue moon to "grace" them with their presence.

There are much more of these types out there than I even can begin to contemplate LOL The trick is in how to get in with them while they're still building up their clientele to their limits.

[OlGary]

Well, duh. I would think that they would have other guys, they just don't new ones.

It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.

[Talisker1370]

It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.

Well, duh. I would think that they would have other guys, they just don't new ones.

[Nrlmus]

It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.

Maybe. But for whatever reason they can't be shared. Either they asked their 100 other guys not to give out their contact info to anybody anymore, or somebody shared something with you under condition that you'd never share it with anybody else. Break it once and you'd be surprised how quickly the word gets around here. Many old-timers won't share anything with you anymore and off to eros or SA you go to pay a fortune for something that you can be sure that at least 20 other guys are fu-king for the half-price you're paying.

I know a hobbyist who's currently going through this hobby "side affect". You know he'd never make that mistake again, that's for sure.

[OlGary]

UTRs were not considered, I have a couple as well. Those types of leads are never considered or brought in to the discussion. Like you, the ones I stick to are unshareable as well.

It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.

[Talisker1370]

Paul, I appreciate what Talisker's done and I can see that there are plenty of people that agree with it and that's fine. But I think that such posts serve to drive prices up unnecessarily while providing no portent information. Talisker1370 is a great contributor to this board and as you noticed my post was respectful. I had some great interaction with him in the past, and I hope to be able to continue to do that from time to time.

I just wanted to make a point that I made in regards to that particular post and I made it. In my experience I also don't understand how you can pay over $200 for 1/2 hour and continuously not get GFE in the process. Once in a while? Sure. But continuously? Not my experience. $150 could get you an hh or an hour and with an ok girl too. Definitely GFE! If she doesn't kiss I don't care if she's a freaking $20 year old Melania Trump look-a-like. For me it's an automatic no go. No kiss, usually means no to some other staff too. That's why I had hard time lately finding myself a Brazilian. 5-7 years ago they just stopped GFEing, like almost all of those that come to the states. Weird, because that's not the case in Brazil itself.

Also, I usually stick to three-four regulars, mostly UTRs, some of whom are unsharable. Those that I can share I usually post about here. All under $200, all GFEs, BBBJ, what have you. Some are more sultry types, others more wholesome. Some I liked some I didn't. I only remember one in last 6 months that wasn't GFE but it was my fault since I was warned that it was possible.

As for BTT (the only time I ever paid over $200 per session), as I said this was the first and only time that I went through verification process and I don't intend, nor do I see the need to do so again. So no KGFB for me. As for BTT I just saw two of their Boston-based types: Shu and Tomi, the later no longer works. It's highly unlikely that I will see anyone else at BTT unless I get a feel that not only would I have a good time with her but she's also going to stick around here for a while. Cold fish experience is not my cup of tea. I also never come to an appointment empty-handed. Most of the time it work wonders on their attitude. In those few cases when it doesn't I never see them again.

This is a first, called out on the masshole board without being called an asshole.

First off to Nrlmus, no offense taken. I understand where you are coming from. For the record, I consider you a great contributor to the board. There are way too many lurkers and leeches these days.

I should have put additional context that this was for touring girls that advertise heavily in the usual sites. These are the providers that you call that day or the day before.

UTRs were not considered, I have a couple as well. Those types of leads are never considered or brought in to the discussion. Like you, the ones I stick to are unshareable as well.

My intent was not to drive up prices in any way, just to illustrate what the average experience is going to be with the providers I mentioned above. I branched off my normal path for a bit and wanted to see what the quality would be if impacted by quantity. Those were my findings.

Again, no offense taken from anyone.

[Nrlmus]

Guy takes the time to complete a thoughtful and informative post and you tell him his approach is all wrong? Seems from the board response guys appreciated the post. And while Shu is pretty awesome saying she is "second to none" is erroneous at best. It just makes clear that you have very limited experience with top level Asian talent. I am curious, who else you have seen from BTT or KGFB?

Paul, I appreciate what Talisker's done and I can see that there are plenty of people that agree with it and that's fine. But I think that such posts serve to drive prices up unnecessarily while providing no portent information. Talisker1370 is a great contributor to this board and as you noticed my post was respectful. I had some great interaction with him in the past, and I hope to be able to continue to do that from time to time.

I just wanted to make a point that I made in regards to that particular post and I made it. In my experience I also don't understand how you can pay over $200 for 1/2 hour and continuously not get GFE in the process. Once in a while? Sure. But continuously? Not my experience. $150 could get you an hh or an hour and with an ok girl too. Definitely GFE! If she doesn't kiss I don't care if she's a freaking $20 year old Melania Trump look-a-like. For me it's an automatic no go. No kiss, usually means no to some other staff too. That's why I had hard time lately finding myself a Brazilian. 5-7 years ago they just stopped GFEing, like almost all of those that come to the states. Weird, because that's not the case in Brazil itself.

Also, I usually stick to three-four regulars, mostly UTRs, some of whom are unsharable. Those that I can share I usually post about here. All under $200, all GFEs, BBBJ, what have you. Some are more sultry types, others more wholesome. Some I liked some I didn't. I only remember one in last 6 months that wasn't GFE but it was my fault since I was warned that it was possible.

As for BTT (the only time I ever paid over $200 per session), as I said this was the first and only time that I went through verification process and I don't intend, nor do I see the need to do so again. So no KGFB for me. As for BTT I just saw two of their Boston-based types: Shu and Tomi, the later no longer works. It's highly unlikely that I will see anyone else at BTT unless I get a feel that not only would I have a good time with her but she's also going to stick around here for a while. Cold fish experience is not my cup of tea. I also never come to an appointment empty-handed. Most of the time it work wonders on their attitude. In those few cases when it doesn't I never see them again.

[PaulRew]

Dude, I'd think your post was written by someone who is trying to promote "his" ladies into the higher bracket if I didn't know you well enough by now to know that nothing could be farther from the truth.

Still, you're either looking at the wrong places or you're trading with wrong people, or you're not putting enough time into finding right girls, or you just purely SOL.

Granted I don't have many women in my rotation but it's not because nobody shares with me. You can get a reasonably well behaved GFE for $80 (or sometimes even less) with "what's your fancy" attitude too. Put another $100 into the hotel and you got yourself a good time for $180, often, if you hit it off with them, with not much of the time limit.

I spent $220 for a wonderful Shu at BTT10 and that's by far the greatest amount of money I ever spent in this hobby. If you like Asians Shu is second to none but the only reason I even ended up doing this in the first place was because it happened during those two-three months worth of dark days when SESTA / FOSTA just passed and TER folded and USASG went down for a bit and we found ourselves somewhat blind. I'm sure you remember. Desperate times called for desperate measures so I allowed myself to go through their screening process (the first and only time in my life I did that) and paid the BTT's doe to see Shu. Never regretted doing it but still.

Guy takes the time to complete a thoughtful and informative post and you tell him his approach is all wrong? Seems from the board response guys appreciated the post. And while Shu is pretty awesome saying she is "second to none" is erroneous at best. It just makes clear that you have very limited experience with top level Asian talent. I am curious, who else you have seen from BTT or KGFB?

[Nrlmus]

I've posted the recent encounters that I have had. These days I tend to stay with providers that are in the 300 to 400 range and have some type of established review.

I decided to step out of my norm and try some of the providers that offer HH visits at 140 to 150. I branched out to see the Asians, Brazilian, Black and White providers. Here is what I saw and am passing these thoughts along.

General Thoughts.

1. Going for the hour is a waste of time and money. Even if you book the hour, they will run your ass out of there in 30 minutes. If you book for a HH, you will be out in 20/25 minutes. It is a waste of money as these girls are high volume providers.

Verdict: Go for the half.

2. Everything is covered, which at their high volume is a blessing in retrospect. Matter of fact the cover is probably going to be on before you even get hard and they have their clothes off.

Verdict: Don't even bother asking for it.

3. The ability to speak and converse English is an unlikely scenario. Most of these providers have a less than basic understanding of English. About the only word you should expect to hear is yes, no, baby, fuck me, you sexy, so handsome, so big, so hard, come back see me and how long. Depending on how tired they are or if they like you, their vocabulary can shrink even further.

Verdict: Install the Google auto translate app on your phone. It will save you some headache.

4. Scheduling is a *****. There are no future dates or times, its "come now babee and call me". When you text you will get the address and rates usually. It is a canned response. It is first come, first serve.

Verdict: If your interested in seeing them, drive close by, hang out and wait for them to text you back.

5. Performance runs hot and cold, mostly cold. There is no GFE at all, and again with the high volume not even sure why you would even consider it. Its like licking the sidewalk. What will you get, 5 minutes of oral, possibly 10. They are good are working you covered to get a fast pop. Then is the swing around for doggie. That usually goes for 5 minutes, then they start with the "you come now? It is a pump and dump. You are luck if they have wet wipes afterwards.

Verdict: You don't get a tbone at hamburger prices. You might find a diamond in the rough, but yeah most of the time its like eating mediocre pizza.

6. The looks department is varied but in general the ranking of hottest to not so hot, this is what I see. Brazilians Black Asians Whites. I will go over my reasoning below.

A. Brazilians tend to be fitter than the rest and have fake tits and ass implants. The only risk is making sure they are not post op. I have have seen some with fantastic bodies but with mannish faces.

B. Blacks tend to be either fit or flabby, so its easier to pick your type. Most have lots of shitty tats. Almost all have wigs and don't even think of touching it. They will flip out.

C. Asians tend to be smaller in general. Most have flat asses and some have fake tits. Its hard to gauge the age sometimes and you run the risk of being with a 60 year old. There is also the risk too of post ops. On the plus side, their nipples are generally huge, which is nice, but again do you really want to suck on them, see #2.

D. The white girls are the biggest mix bag. It is almost not work the risk. I would say that they have the highest % of drug use. Most seem to be in the 20's and skinny. The bodies in general are not that good. They are either skinny fat or heroin skinny.

Verdict: Roll the dice and pick your poison. Brazilians and black girls are lower risks looks wise.

7. Pics are never accurate with the exception of the black girls generally. The black girls in the pics are usually heavily made up, so when you get there you might do a double take.

Verdict: I always ask if they can send a pic with three fingers in the air if its them, if I feel like pushing the issue. Otherwise, your fate is left up to the gods. You might get a goddess or you might get a goblin.

8. The 140/150 HH is a price point that you should have lower expectations for and it not worth your time in general. For the same amount and or less you could get a nice massage and a tug. The end result is the same, but a little longer. Or you could forgo the visits, pool your cash and see a higher end provider. Some on this board squawk at the cost, but reality is quality providers sit about the 300 mark.

Verdict: Save your cash and see better providers, that's my personal preference.

Dude, I'd think your post was written by someone who is trying to promote "his" ladies into the higher bracket if I didn't know you well enough by now to know that nothing could be farther from the truth.

Still, you're either looking at the wrong places or you're trading with wrong people, or you're not putting enough time into finding right girls, or you just purely SOL.

Granted I don't have many women in my rotation but it's not because nobody shares with me. You can get a reasonably well behaved GFE for $80 (or sometimes even less) with "what's your fancy" attitude too. Put another $100 into the hotel and you got yourself a good time for $180, often, if you hit it off with them, with not much of the time limit.

I spent $220 for a wonderful Shu at BTT10 and that's by far the greatest amount of money I ever spent in this hobby. If you like Asians Shu is second to none but the only reason I even ended up doing this in the first place was because it happened during those two-three months worth of dark days when SESTA / FOSTA just passed and TER folded and USASG went down for a bit and we found ourselves somewhat blind. I'm sure you remember. Desperate times called for desperate measures so I allowed myself to go through their screening process (the first and only time in my life I did that) and paid the BTT's doe to see Shu. Never regretted doing it but still.

[Ho Hunter 328]

I really wanted to go out and monger the streets earlier this morning but, it was too damn chilly out. Has it ever been this cold in early October?. Goddamn, I miss global warming!

It's going to get colder.

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2019...e-solar-cycle/

Stay safe, and happy hunting.