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  1. #6503
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    Posts: 1886

    Because it's illegal, and unregulated, the hobby is more of a free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Creeping  [View Original Post]
    They don't have unions, they provide in all actuality an illegal service. Therefore we should dictate what they should or shouldn't charge. I could care less what they go through or how they come up with their economic strategy. As for your point regarding SW's, who do you think these providers (some) are?

    Personally I don't have UTRs or a list of regulars, I sift through ads like the next guy. My pockets are far from shallow and I have walked away from chicks that don't make the cut. Yet I have still found many gems without falling to desperation and paying ludicrous donations to keep the market fair and maintain a balanced ecosystem, I'm there to get my nut and a reasonable and fair donation. My fifty-cents.
    While both clients and providers need to be wary of LE, that's different from the kind of govt regulation that restricts how a market can operate. There's no FTC, no Truth-in-Advertising laws, and no court system in which you can sue for breach of contract or non-performance.

    Sure, providers don't have an union to push for higher prices, but neither do clients have any kind of business association to pull prices down. Neither side can dictate to the other because it's ultimately an individual transaction in which a buyer decides what he's willing to pay and a seller decides what she's willing to accept.

    The one thing that would make the hobby an even better example of a free market, but which we're currently lacking, is more timely and accurate information. Because there's no longer a reliable source of provider reviews, the risk of overpaying has increased. All you have to do is RTFF and you'll find many reports of providers from Eros and "premium" agencies who didn't deliver value for money.

    But that's where this forum and doing good homework come in. As you rightly noted, sifting and separating the wheat from the chaff has allowed you to find gems while resisting GPS-level pricing. There are market factors that are out of our control, like living in a high-cost area, but thinking with the big head and maintaining a disciplined approach to research and spending, is the best any monger can do.

  2. #6502
    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    Her ad rates are 100/160/200 and a previous version says GFE is available for extra.

    https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view...132/5104549417

    Which session did you choose and what was your total damage? Did she mention any upcharges and, for the GFE session, it your sense that full GFE (BBBJ, DATY, DFK) is on the menu?

    Thanks for posting about your find.
    So it appears I left out some crucial details in my initial review based on some of the posts and inbox messages. For the Hr it was $$ and it would have included the items you associate with GFE. We skipped the BBBJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    Attempted to visit at agreed upon time but received a text a hour later with all the info, too weird and convo was all over the place when we initially talked. I was definitely thinking bacon. Please confirm experience and have you been back. That's a known set up location she is working out of.
    Yeah, I hear you. On first contact it took her a while to reply back to me and while on my way there she asked some specific questions which was a big red flag for me. I went radio silent fearing bacon but then she called me and put me at ease. I was still cautious but once through the door she had me feel her up which put me at ease. I did not realize this is a known set up location. Will keep that in mind.

    I did go back the following day because I was curious about the BBBJ situation. In this regard, I would put her among the top of my list. Comparable to Jazzy from Bmore, Leah from BFE (in Delaware), or the now retired Riley Tighty. For this visit, we had agreed on 0. 80 (less than $) but when I was leaving she said it was too much and wanted only 0. 4. I left it as 0. 8.

    That said, I am not sure I would go back. On second visit there are several personality traits that would make me be extra vigilant not to reveal any identifying information.

  3. #6501

    I've started your homework for you

    Quote Originally Posted by DrewTheGoat  [View Original Post]
    Morning. I've been out of the game for several years. However, I do enjoy lurking the boards and pages. Guess it's my way to live vicariously through some of you. I did see this ad several weeks back and was wondering if anyone had info. She had posts with different pics. https://backpage.com.dc.listcrawler....36778261/Snowy.

    I did ask on this forum about her before. Thank you those of you that sent me a dm for help!
    You should be using Google Image Search before asking if someone's real. Start here, and let us know if she's really Snowy Kaye, or if she stole the pix.

    http://picgrace.com/snowykaye

    Instagram and Twitter: SnowyKaye.

    Maybe inbox Snowy Kaye and ask if she's posting ads.

  4. #6500

    Google Image Search

    Quote Originally Posted by SLuthor23  [View Original Post]
    Anyone get a chance to see this provider https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/fallinga...ngfield-451068.

    Received a text from her this morning after I hit her up yesterday. Legit pics?
    Use it every time, before asking for info, and you'll usually get your answer. In this case, you might find that she's real, but you might find that she's a Russian porn star named Nadya Nabakova.

  5. #6499

    Not Economics 101!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoomer  [View Original Post]
    My 2 cents.

    It is a capitalist society. A range of goods and services for a range of prices. In our case we are reacting to the labor market demand curve (look it up if you are really bored). The higher the price per hour, the more workers will enter the market. To make it more complex, the service we seek is not a commodity. Some providers are better than others, and are on a higher market demand curve.

    All this assumes a well informed consumer. There in lies the poor consumer complaint we have. Do not overpay as you will bend the demand curve!

    I had a wonderful provider who told me she could get one client a day at 600 for a couple of hours or eight - 50 minute clients a day at 220. That was a 10-12 hour day for her. She chose the lower cost per hour on the demand curve, but netted an additional 1160 for the day. More work, but almost three times the reward. This same provider had ads asking for much more per hour, that occasionally worked out for her. After getting to know her, her price dropped to 185 to get me to see her more regularly. (sorry guys, she is gone).

    On the fucking for beers issue. Not everything has a price, but without money there is nothing for you in our society. These providers are working. I sure get a benefit from their labor. Sure some are getting extra cash to play. Others have problems I could not fathom. I do not want to supply the means to destructive habits and try to avoid providers that appear to be in that vicious circle. But if a provider wants to party in Vegas after seeing me, or go home to take care of her baby, who am I to say how she should live her life.

    Find the provider that matches your demand curve. Unfortunately, you may need to negotiate as well. Price fixing is not in our future.
    They don't have unions, they provide in all actuality an illegal service. Therefore we should dictate what they should or shouldn't charge. I could care less what they go through or how they come up with their economic strategy. As for your point regarding SW's, who do you think these providers (some) are?

    Personally I don't have UTRs or a list of regulars, I sift through ads like the next guy. My pockets are far from shallow and I have walked away from chicks that don't make the cut. Yet I have still found many gems without falling to desperation and paying ludicrous donations to keep the market fair and maintain a balanced ecosystem, I'm there to get my nut and a reasonable and fair donation. My fifty-cents.

  6. #6498
    Quote Originally Posted by SLuthor23  [View Original Post]
    Anyone get a chance to see this provider https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/fallinga...ngfield-451068.

    Received a text from her this morning after I hit her up yesterday. Legit pics?
    Those are photos of the pornstar Nadya Nabakova.

  7. #6497

    Legit provider

    Anyone get a chance to see this provider https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/fallinga...ngfield-451068.

    Received a text from her this morning after I hit her up yesterday. Legit pics?

  8. #6496

    Annabella

    Dreamed about seeing Annabella a few weeks ago while she was in Alexandria. https://escortalligator.com.dc.listc...post/29903901/.

    In my dream she was tall, and slimmer than the pictures show, but overall I enjoyed it. She's funny so we had some good banter back and forth, which lightened the mood and relaxed her a little bit. Cute chick too.

    BBBJ (very, very good), then slipped on the cover and she let me pick any position I wanted. Started on top and ended doggy style with her legs in various configurations. Nice and tight, wet and based on that plus audible feedback, she was into it. Finished in the cover, chatted for a bit then headed out.

    I would repeat again if she is in the surrounding area. Damage $1. 6 for 30 minutes.

  9. #6495

    Any info?

    Morning. I've been out of the game for several years. However, I do enjoy lurking the boards and pages. Guess it's my way to live vicariously through some of you. I did see this ad several weeks back and was wondering if anyone had info. She had posts with different pics. https://backpage.com.dc.listcrawler....36778261/Snowy.

    I did ask on this forum about her before. Thank you those of you that sent me a dm for help!

  10. #6494
    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    http://www.wantryan.com/home/

    Didn't quote me, just sent webpage. My first thought you're not $$$ in the face. And after watching her twerk video. I figured I would be doing most the work for my $. No body control and I could have a hell of a buffet week of providers with her hr donation!

    Fellas stop giving in to this bullshit. One dummy is all it takes!

    As I stated before, they spend money to fly to the DMV cash cow. Most of these providers fucking for beers in their home state.

    But the girl in original post, has so many ads up she can't be working. On computer too much!!
    In the case of a pornstar, I think her rate is actually fair. Typically they go for $1000-$1500 depending on how popular they are and which booking agency you're working with. Ryan isn't super popular, but considering she does have a resume from major sites, I think that's why she's priced the way she is.

    In general, all providers are entitled to pay whatever they want to pay. Now if they're suffering from a severe case of GPS, it's on them. Back on the West Coast in the city I'm from, there's a big commotion about new 20-something year old providers that are charging $350-$400. Their no's are almost everything except for CBJ and actual intercouse. They don't have professional pics, don't have nice incalls / hotels, and mainly rely on the fact that they're hot (maybe) and young. Fuck that shit. But if I'm seeing someone that has an impeccable incall or 5 star hotel, great menu choice, excellent attitude, and actually takes the time to have professional pics and takes the time for a nice website, than I think $500 is fair value. I think that's part of the reason why kgirls are so popular. Hot, excellent service, and the rate isn't jaw-dropping; you're actually getting your money's worth. That being said, I know there are some providers in DC that are overpriced, albeit they check all the boxes of being a quality provider. I don't know. Maybe their overhead is ridiculously high or something. Having said that, there are still a bunch more quality providers to choose from.

    I wish I lived close to DC / NoVa. Have you seen the Baltimore section? There are guys there that make a fuss because a crackhead heroin addict isn't giving BBFS for $100. Only real reliable providers are visitors.

  11. #6493

    No deep pockets

    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    http://www.wantryan.com/home/

    Didn't quote me, just sent webpage. My first thought you're not $$$ in the face. And after watching her twerk video. I figured I would be doing most the work for my $. No body control and I could have a hell of a buffet week of providers with her hr donation!

    Fellas stop giving in to this bullshit. One dummy is all it takes!

    As I stated before, they spend money to fly to the DMV cash cow. Most of these providers fucking for beers in their home state.

    But the girl in original post, has so many ads up she can't be working. On computer too much!!
    My 2 cents.

    It is a capitalist society. A range of goods and services for a range of prices. In our case we are reacting to the labor market demand curve (look it up if you are really bored). The higher the price per hour, the more workers will enter the market. To make it more complex, the service we seek is not a commodity. Some providers are better than others, and are on a higher market demand curve.

    All this assumes a well informed consumer. There in lies the poor consumer complaint we have. Do not overpay as you will bend the demand curve!

    I had a wonderful provider who told me she could get one client a day at 600 for a couple of hours or eight - 50 minute clients a day at 220. That was a 10-12 hour day for her. She chose the lower cost per hour on the demand curve, but netted an additional 1160 for the day. More work, but almost three times the reward. This same provider had ads asking for much more per hour, that occasionally worked out for her. After getting to know her, her price dropped to 185 to get me to see her more regularly. (sorry guys, she is gone).

    On the fucking for beers issue. Not everything has a price, but without money there is nothing for you in our society. These providers are working. I sure get a benefit from their labor. Sure some are getting extra cash to play. Others have problems I could not fathom. I do not want to supply the means to destructive habits and try to avoid providers that appear to be in that vicious circle. But if a provider wants to party in Vegas after seeing me, or go home to take care of her baby, who am I to say how she should live her life.

    Find the provider that matches your demand curve. Unfortunately, you may need to negotiate as well. Price fixing is not in our future.

  12. #6492

    No deep pockets

    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    http://www.wantryan.com/home/

    Didn't quote me, just sent webpage. My first thought you're not $$$ in the face. And after watching her twerk video. I figured I would be doing most the work for my $. No body control and I could have a hell of a buffet week of providers with her hr donation!

    Fellas stop giving in to this bullshit. One dummy is all it takes!

    As I stated before, they spend money to fly to the DMV cash cow. Most of these providers fucking for beers in their home state.

    But the girl in original post, has so many ads up she can't be working. On computer too much!!
    My 2 cents.

    It is a capitalist society. A range of goods and services for a range of prices. In our case we are reacting to the labor market demand curve (look it up if you are really bored). The higher the price per hour, the more workers will enter the market. To make it more complex, the service we seek is not a commodity. Some providers are better than others, and are on a higher market demand curve.

    All this assumes a well informed consumer. There in lies the poor consumer complaint we have. Do not overpay as you will bend the demand curve!

    I had a wonderful provider who told me she could get one client a day at 600 for a couple of hours or eight - 50 minute clients a day at 220. That was a 10-12 hour day for her. She chose the lower cost per hour on the demand curve, but netted an additional 1160 for the day. More work, but almost three times the reward. This same provider had ads asking for much more per hour, that occasionally worked out for her. After getting to know her, her price dropped to 185 to get me to see her more regularly. (sorry guys, she is gone).

    On the fucking for beers issue. Not everything has a price, but without money there is nothing for you in our society. These providers are working. I sure get a benefit from their labor. Sure some are getting extra cash to play. Others have problems I could not fathom. I do not want to supply the means to destructive habits and try to avoid providers that appear to be in that vicious circle. But if a provider wants to party in Vegas after seeing me, or go home to take care of her baby, who am I to say how she should live her life.

    Find the provider that matches your demand curve. Unfortunately, you may need to negotiate as well. Price fixing is not in our future.

  13. #6491
    Quote Originally Posted by Creeping  [View Original Post]
    I think that's just crazy! We should be the ones setting the standard for what we pay. These chicks are increasing their costs every 4-6 months. I swear it was just yesterday that. 8 was the norm for QV and $. 2 for hh. Before we know it a few will begin requesting $$$ for a hh and $$ for an hour and some desperate gent will pay that and it becomes the norm. If you've got deep pockets like that, congratulations I'm sure your family is proud but dude keep these donations within reason! I know someone out there is going to mention some nonsense about it being a service and inflation, really though we're talking about escort services!!
    Not directing this toward you personally. Nova isn't Baltimore where you got SW in multiple places and lower income places nearby to source from, so there is more competition over there. It's like a desert over here after BP went down to find a reliable source of providers that aren't repeated ACS and LCS spammers or BBW heifers. More power to you if that's your thing, though; otherwise, you have to do some sleuthing and take some risks to find alternatives.

    If you're someone with a stable of UTR go to's, it's probably easier to suggest others to not pay so much. But, the vast majority of hobbyists are probably casual ones, and are stuck with what's available unless they want to literally handle things themselves. Props to those, though, who do share info on the gems who pass by and are a value. The only downside is when they end up totally booked and unavailable because of becoming a known sure thing. Couldn't get a single time in with Calena when she came by recently.

  14. #6490

    Laly

    I saw Laly at Elite M recently. I don't think that the pics on the site are of her, which was a real bummer to me because I was expecting to see a 10. She did have a great butt though and her performance was excellent. She is definitely willing to please.

  15. #6489
    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnBraun  [View Original Post]
    Does this mean Nina is Katoy, as well, like Angie?

    Not that there is a thing wrong with that, but it is better to be prepared to know what you are getting into before you show up at her door.

    Be safe and be prepared.

    - Vaughn.
    I don't think Nina is man made. IMO, Nina is a true Thai female. Her voice and physical features seem natural. I paid a visit to her yesterday and every part of her was beautiful. I actually saw her many years ago and she remembered me actually. Her boobs are man made, but the rest is pretty good and natural. Angie, I have serious doubts due to Angie's strong features. Nina is a nice a petite Asian female. Her performance is not bad, however not memorable. She does typical GFE services and is really nice. She said I gained weight since I last her many years ago. She made sure that I left happy though. I think she said she would Only be here for a couple weeks before going to CA.

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