Philly Sugar

[Sam Iam]

SBs aren't like SWs or UTRs in one important way. They typically choose to be with a particular SD. Yes, it is about the money but there are other factors involved. Most SBs are not going to have sex with just anyone for the price of admission. Personal chemistry is also usually an important part of the equation. So, while a SB may be terrific for one SD it doesn't always mean she is generally available. Therefore, much of the sharing of SB info in this forum tends to be more about what types of potential SBs are out there, flakes and GPS to avoid, pricing, techniques of finding and negotiating with SBs and keeping the relationship safe, affordable and satisfactory for you and secret from SOs.

Your assessment is spot on in my opinion. Yes, chemistry is a huge part of the equation. Also, one needs to be careful concerning costs and know your limits. Thanks!

[PartyTimeGuy]

It seems philly is unreliable. Compared to other threads (atlanta, jacksonville, LA), there has not been any reviews / reports / sharing of any girls in the nj / philly area. I believe one was shared a few pages ago, but nothing recent. Anyone willing to post a seeking profile of someone they met personally?

SBs aren't like SWs or UTRs in one important way. They typically choose to be with a particular SD. Yes, it is about the money but there are other factors involved. Most SBs are not going to have sex with just anyone for the price of admission. Personal chemistry is also usually an important part of the equation. So, while a SB may be terrific for one SD it doesn't always mean she is generally available. Therefore, much of the sharing of SB info in this forum tends to be more about what types of potential SBs are out there, flakes and GPS to avoid, pricing, techniques of finding and negotiating with SBs and keeping the relationship safe, affordable and satisfactory for you and secret from SOs.

[LikeMFlat]

It seems philly is unreliable. Compared to other threads (atlanta, jacksonville, LA), there has not been any reviews / reports / sharing of any girls in the nj / philly area. I believe one was shared a few pages ago, but nothing recent. Anyone willing to post a seeking profile of someone they met personally?

I shared a bunch a while back but no one else was contributing, so I stopped. I ended up finding a long-term SB who deleted her profile and didn't want her info shared. And that tends to be the case with SBs. The really good ones don't stick around on the site long, they find someone then delete or deactivate their profile and they certainly don't want random guys sharing their info on a sex forum.

I think there's a lot of value in sharing intel, and I've done so in the past. And if I get back on SA once my current SB leaves, I'll do it again. Even if it's mostly sharing the flakes or girls with unrealistic expectations, it's still helpful as it can save time for other guys. I hope this thread becomes more active and I'll certainly share again once I have info that's of value.

[Focuses]

It seems philly is unreliable. Compared to other threads (atlanta, jacksonville, LA), there has not been any reviews / reports / sharing of any girls in the nj / philly area. I believe one was shared a few pages ago, but nothing recent. Anyone willing to post a seeking profile of someone they met personally?

[PartyTimeGuy]

I'm guessing that if you've dated 250 SBs, many of them weren't long term? That's a different world obviously. I love short-term and one and done arrangements but I am very careful around those girls. The SBs I'm talking about who I took home were all long-term girls who I got to know pretty well.

Like most of us here, I suspect, I love the variety offered by short-term arrangements and I may focus on those for a while since my long-term one is ending. But a long-term arrangement can be really fun too, especially with an intelligent and beautiful college student.

I have had both long term and short term arrangements with SBs. The longest was 4 years. The shortest was obviously once and done. The long term SBs had one thing in common: they were fun to be with. Looks only go so far. One gets tired of even gorgeous girls that are boring and dull. Girls that are lively, adventurous and curious both in and out of the sack have been the keepers for me. Even those girls eventually are tedious, although a few of them were well worth revisiting after an interlude from the first round of trysts. I have done this only 10 times, less than 5%. Except for pure excellence in every way, variety IS the spice of life.

[LikeMFlat]

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150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site....

Thanks so much for the tips and the hard numbers.

[LikeMFlat]

Sounds like you are pretty careful. But one can never be TOO careful.

I have dated over 250 SBs and I have had serious trouble with 3 of them. All three had very bad attitudes, so it was clear from the start that there would be difficulties. All three only lasted one date, one more indication of bad news. In all cases they made threats after being dumped / ignored that were not credible, because I took precautions: rented car and burner phone. However, the threats were scary enough to lose some sleep over them and perhaps that was the intention in the first place.

There are plenty of psychos in the world, and it only takes one to make your life miserable. You can be identified through your license plate so renting a car is always a good idea. A burner phone is a must. These precautions are cheap compared to the potential consequences.

That's very true. If you have a lot to lose you should never let your guard down. I suppose I've been lucky, the one crazy stalker I met just had daddy issues and wanted to marry me. So she wasn't really dangerous, but you never know. She still calls me and wants to meet up, but I believe she's harmless. And in any event, we never had a financial arrangement, we just dated for a while as civilians. She's one of the rare girls on SA who just wanted to meet and date an older guy.

I'm guessing that if you've dated 250 SBs, many of them weren't long term? That's a different world obviously. I love short-term and one and done arrangements but I am very careful around those girls. The SBs I'm talking about who I took home were all long-term girls who I got to know pretty well. Many of them I went on a few platonic dates with first (with no allowance, of course), and really got to know them before starting the arrangement. And just to add some general info to this post, my last one was a Temple art student, 22 now but she was 21 when we met, 5'9", blonde, slim, and she was thrilled with 250 per meet.

Like most of us here, I suspect, I love the variety offered by short-term arrangements and I may focus on those for a while since my long-term one is ending. But a long-term arrangement can be really fun too, especially with an intelligent and beautiful college student.

[LogJammin18]

Strippers are definitely easiest to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot and I was traveling and knew I would not be back in the area anytime soon.

150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.

You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food cashiers I usually flirt at the counter and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty.

I follow past SBs on Instagram and follow their friends. I have messaged a few on insta letting them know that I was a SD of one of her friends in the past, but always wondered if she (the friends I messaged) was interested in a SB relationship as well. Usually, you will just get blocked, but it has worked a few times.

[PartyTimeGuy]

My long-term SB is graduating soon and will be leaving town. So I'm on the hunt again. I've never thought about trying to meet SBs out in the wild but your post has inspired me to try something new. Would you mind if I asked what the allowance has normally been in your experience?

Strippers seem easy enough to meet, I've picked up a few for freebies although granted that was 8-10 years ago when there wasn't as much of an age difference. But I always figure they make enough cash at the club that the allowance they'd expect for a private meeting will be on the high side. Of course I may be wrong and I'd love to hear your experiences.

I imagine the allowance for a fast-food cashier making minimum wage would be much more reasonable.

But I'd be very grateful for any tips or advice. I'm particularly interested in how you make the transition from flirting / game to actually setting up an arrangement. It seems that conversation could easily go terribly wrong.

Strippers are definitely easiest to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot and I was traveling and knew I would not be back in the area anytime soon.

150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.

You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food cashiers I usually flirt at the counter and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty. Have you ever thought about having a Sugar Daddy?" There are obviously many variations of this approach. If you do it right, even if they are not interested, they are flattered. Girls have egos too. I have never had a bad experience doing this. At best you recruited a SB. At worst you had a nice conversation with a pretty young girl. I defuse the refusals by saying something like: "Hey, I understand. It's not for you. But you are so beautiful. You can't blame a guy for trying. If you ever change your mind I would definitely be interested."

[PartyTimeGuy]

Point taken, and I wouldn't argue any of that. I live in a secure doorman building and have nothing to hide or hide from. So I manage my risks accordingly, but I'm not saying I recommend it to others. Especially if you're married, work a sensitive job, etc.

The only girls I've brought to my place are ones whose identity I have already confirmed. They've all been legit university students. And I know their identity, found their social media, etc. I don't have social media, other than the accounts I've set up for the identity I use for SA.

The closest thing I had to a problem was actually from a girl finding my real name through my license place number. So I'd caution guys against using their own cars too, especially for an initial meet up before you vet the girl.

Sounds like you are pretty careful. But one can never be TOO careful.

I have dated over 250 SBs and I have had serious trouble with 3 of them. All three had very bad attitudes, so it was clear from the start that there would be difficulties. All three only lasted one date, one more indication of bad news. In all cases they made threats after being dumped / ignored that were not credible, because I took precautions: rented car and burner phone. However, the threats were scary enough to lose some sleep over them and perhaps that was the intention in the first place.

There are plenty of psychos in the world, and it only takes one to make your life miserable. You can be identified through your license plate so renting a car is always a good idea. A burner phone is a must. These precautions are cheap compared to the potential consequences.

[LikeMFlat]

I usually find most of my sugar in the Richmond area where I live, but I get to eastern PA often on business and there is plenty of great looking young pussy for hire in PA as well, and not just on the sugar sites. I have had success selectively recruiting strippers, girls on dating sites and even cashiers and girls in fast food joints and malls. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.

My long-term SB is graduating soon and will be leaving town. So I'm on the hunt again. I've never thought about trying to meet SBs out in the wild but your post has inspired me to try something new. Would you mind if I asked what the allowance has normally been in your experience?

Strippers seem easy enough to meet, I've picked up a few for freebies although granted that was 8-10 years ago when there wasn't as much of an age difference. But I always figure they make enough cash at the club that the allowance they'd expect for a private meeting will be on the high side. Of course I may be wrong and I'd love to hear your experiences.

I imagine the allowance for a fast-food cashier making minimum wage would be much more reasonable.

But I'd be very grateful for any tips or advice. I'm particularly interested in how you make the transition from flirting / game to actually setting up an arrangement. It seems that conversation could easily go terribly wrong.

[LikeMFlat]

You are clearly free to handle your SB dates any way you like. However, a word of caution about hosting at your place. All kinds of dangers lurk from this practice not to mention jealous bfs, angry friends / relatives, extortionists and psycho stalkers. There is mad truth in the saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. These are problems enough with civvies but when you terminate a relationship with a young SB you don't always want them to know who you are or where you live. Stories abound on the downside of this and I have mentioned but a few of the negative possibilities. The cost of a hotel room could be the cheapest insurance you ever buy.

Point taken, and I wouldn't argue any of that. I live in a secure doorman building and have nothing to hide or hide from. So I manage my risks accordingly, but I'm not saying I recommend it to others. Especially if you're married, work a sensitive job, etc.

The only girls I've brought to my place are ones whose identity I have already confirmed. They've all been legit university students. And I know their identity, found their social media, etc. I don't have social media, other than the accounts I've set up for the identity I use for SA.

The closest thing I had to a problem was actually from a girl finding my real name through my license place number. So I'd caution guys against using their own cars too, especially for an initial meet up before you vet the girl.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Any chance of telling us locals which fast food joint and what her meal cost?

My suggestion is to find any fast food joint with a hot cashier and practice your game.

[PartyTimeGuy]

All of the students I've seen can't host. I usually get a room the first few times, then if it turns into a long term arrangement we go to my place after we build up some trust. Obviously you need to be careful about that, but I'm single with nothing to hide.

You are clearly free to handle your SB dates any way you like. However, a word of caution about hosting at your place. All kinds of dangers lurk from this practice not to mention jealous bfs, angry friends / relatives, extortionists and psycho stalkers. There is mad truth in the saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. These are problems enough with civvies but when you terminate a relationship with a young SB you don't always want them to know who you are or where you live. Stories abound on the downside of this and I have mentioned but a few of the negative possibilities. The cost of a hotel room could be the cheapest insurance you ever buy.

[Hexxxed]

As I have mentioned before, I have found it useful to recruit SBs in many different ways other than sugar sites. This one was not on a sugar site. She was a cashier at a fast food joint. To repeat myself. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.

Any chance of telling us locals which fast food joint and what her meal cost?