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**Jjbee62** · 03-02-19 12:01

Originally Posted by IndianaMike [View Original Post]

My Google FOO has failed me!

Is Indiana a one or two party consent? Also isn't there some kind of law about cops witnessing a crime they must stop it? I ma thinking en-trapment.

I met a retired, well semi-retired, Federal Judge a little over a year ago. Nice guy. Spent a lot of time talking with him. According to him, there are some misconceptions over what the cops can do. They can lie to you. Asking an escort "are you in any way affiliated with law enforcement" doesn't require the cop to admit it. They can do illegal things. The cop arranging a drug deal, might be required to do the drugs, or in our situation, do the deed.

In this situation, the police used hidden cameras, which implies there was a judge who authorized the recording. Same rules as tapping a phone, back when everyone used land lines.

**WinterWarlock** · 03-02-19 11:11

Someone said that "any publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right." I do not think that it was Robert Kraft.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/u...afficking.html

**IndianaMike** · 03-02-19 07:57

Originally Posted by Stumbo [View Original Post]

It depends on your state. In Ohio, for example, only one party needs to consent (often the person making the recording). Florida does have a two-party consent law, which applies to "communication," and which suggests video recordings are subject to the law. It also requires that you have some expectation of privacy in the place where you had the recorded conversation. It's hard to imagine that you give up your expectation of privacy in a private massage room. It will be interesting to watch the defense in these cases.

My Google FOO has failed me!

Is Indiana a one or two party consent? Also isn't there some kind of law about cops witnessing a crime they must stop it? I ma thinking en-trapment.

**Stumbo** · 03-01-19 21:22

Originally Posted by LonelyInBTown [View Original Post]

It's been a while since I researched the 2 party consent thing but from what I remember that only applies to audio not visual.

It depends on your state. In Ohio, for example, only one party needs to consent (often the person making the recording). Florida does have a two-party consent law, which applies to "communication," and which suggests video recordings are subject to the law. It also requires that you have some expectation of privacy in the place where you had the recorded conversation. It's hard to imagine that you give up your expectation of privacy in a private massage room. It will be interesting to watch the defense in these cases.

**Keepinitclean** · 02-27-19 19:48

Originally Posted by Mmgeg1 [View Original Post]

About " human trafficking " with the spas? How long ago was the FOFSTA signed? If they were really serious about this raids would of happened the next day that he signed this.

Now with Kraft he is charged with two misdemeanors. Why the news is blowing this story up simply because he is who is. The second thing is that Florida is a 2 party consent state which means that any recording both parties have to be notified. The video tape that they have him committed 2 sexual acts would be inadmissible correct? Not sure why they are focusing on these misdemeanors when according to the news they have been Surveilling these places for months and knew that the providers were sleeping in the back and could not leave with out a escort.

It's been a while since I researched the 2 party consent thing but from what I remember that only applies to audio not visual.

**DonJohnson8** · 02-27-19 19:21

I'm willing to bet that they won't stop at just the spas.

It might be a very good time to stick to your "core" group of reliable independent ladies. That's actually probably good advice at any time.

Originally Posted by MassGuy1 [View Original Post]

Just pure speculation on my part, but I would be willing to bet there will be a round of spa raids in the near future.

Been a couple years since the last big round here. Now with national spotlight on "spa's", I bet the local boys will jump on the bandwagon.

**RonBurgIndy** · 02-27-19 11:55

We're dancing because it's nice to see that Kraft isn't the golden boy everyone says he is. And this is the Indy board, so expect some pushback or GTFO.

Originally Posted by WinterWarlock [View Original Post]

Giving an addict hundreds of thousands of dollars to help you get drugs is like giving a child a loaded gun. Are you suggesting that getting a HJ in a jack shack is the moral equivalent of giving large amounts of money to an addict until she dies from an OD? Sorry, I cannot get on board with your sin=sin argument.

My point is that Colts fans should not be dancing in the end zone.

**WinterWarlock** · 02-27-19 11:43

Giving an addict hundreds of thousands of dollars to help you get drugs is like giving a child a loaded gun. Are you suggesting that getting a HJ in a jack shack is the moral equivalent of giving large amounts of money to an addict until she dies from an OD? Sorry, I cannot get on board with your sin=sin argument.

My point is that Colts fans should not be dancing in the end zone.

Originally Posted by RonBurgIndy [View Original Post]

We all make less than ideal choices here. Kraft fucked up, and Irsay fucked up. As they say a sin is a sin. As far as I'm concerned STFU and take it to the Prickyard. RBI.

**Mmgeg1** · 02-27-19 10:57

Originally Posted by MassGuy1 [View Original Post]

Just pure speculation on my part, but I would be willing to bet there will be a round of spa raids in the near future.

Been a couple years since the last big round here. Now with national spotlight on "spa's", I bet the local boys will jump on the bandwagon.

About " human trafficking " with the spas? How long ago was the FOFSTA signed? If they were really serious about this raids would of happened the next day that he signed this.

Now with Kraft he is charged with two misdemeanors. Why the news is blowing this story up simply because he is who is. The second thing is that Florida is a 2 party consent state which means that any recording both parties have to be notified. The video tape that they have him committed 2 sexual acts would be inadmissible correct? Not sure why they are focusing on these misdemeanors when according to the news they have been Surveilling these places for months and knew that the providers were sleeping in the back and could not leave with out a escort.

**MassGuy1** · 02-27-19 10:18

Originally Posted by Indplsgent4fu [View Original Post]

I heard on the radio one of the TV networks was running an undercover show tonight on "spas in your neighborhood" and mentioned the Kraft incident in the ad. Did anyone catch it?

Just pure speculation on my part, but I would be willing to bet there will be a round of spa raids in the near future.

Been a couple years since the last big round here. Now with national spotlight on "spa's", I bet the local boys will jump on the bandwagon.

**Indplsgent4fu** · 02-26-19 23:29

I heard on the radio one of the TV networks was running an undercover show tonight on "spas in your neighborhood" and mentioned the Kraft incident in the ad. Did anyone catch it?

**EarlyCuyler** · 02-26-19 22:40

Originally Posted by WinterWarlock [View Original Post]

The point I was making the second time was directed at those who said that Boston fans lack class. Irsay is human garbage, which is worse than being a gloating Boston fan. The age of the link does not matter. The facts are the facts. Kraft would need to add a lot more to his rap sheet before he comes close to Irsay.

Maybe I hit a nerve in your fandom. You should explore your feelings surrounding your bromance with Jimmy.

If you count the one that I posted for you. This is now the fourth time that you've posted "Irsay is human garbage".

Who hurt you?

**IrishLaddie** · 02-26-19 21:01

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I'm not sure why you are making the argument for the people who keep women in danger by refusing to accept that decriminalized prostitution is better for everybody involved (as has been proven in Australia) but perhaps before doing it again you might want to provide proof before making that statement.

Before you do I'm going to require that the data come from a source that wasn't funded by the very people who want to keep it against the law.

A2

**RonBurgIndy** · 02-26-19 17:44

We all make less than ideal choices here. Kraft fucked up, and Irsay fucked up. As they say a sin is a sin. As far as I'm concerned STFU and take it to the Prickyard. RBI.

**WinterWarlock** · 02-26-19 16:04

The point I was making the second time was directed at those who said that Boston fans lack class. Irsay is human garbage, which is worse than being a gloating Boston fan. The age of the link does not matter. The facts are the facts. Kraft would need to add a lot more to his rap sheet before he comes close to Irsay.

Maybe I hit a nerve in your fandom. You should explore your feelings surrounding your bromance with Jimmy.

Originally Posted by EarlyCuyler [View Original Post]

You've said that twice now. Kraft is Kraft, and Irsay is Irsay. Not sure how you see them as being connected. Thanks for posting a three and a half year old link. Relevance isn't really your strong suit now, is it?

Feel free to post the same thing for the third time below. Maybe you can come back, log in, and post it every day for another week or so. That would really teach us.