Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[RogerOver]

Benz, this looks great. I added a few things like a spot to put a link for provider, how many visits to this provider, rate / tip, overall numerical ratings for skills and attitude and a few other things. See below for the first review using this system. Still honing it. It does take a little time to fill this out, but seems like it will save us all time in the long run. This review is for Angel, who works out of Royal Touch with Chloe, but I saw her as an independent at her apartment a few months back and it was bland enough to not inspire an immediate review, but it's perfect fodder for our new form:

Name: Angel.

Service Type: Massage.

Link: http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Ther...shows/25912573.

Rates: $60 + $20 for topless and I left a $20 tip.

How many visits to this provider? First.

Appearance? BBW that could've benefitted from at least some makeup and not being in sweats.

Nude? No.

Topless? Yes, after upsell.

Massage Skills? OK, not great.

HJ? Yes, and a fairly decent one.

CBJ? BBBJ? CIM? Swallow? CFS? BBFS? Daty? Prostrate massage? Rim Job? Pegging? GFE? MSOG? I didn't ask about these services because wasn't inspired to.

Taste / smell of pussy? Good_ ok_ Bad_? And / A.

Body type? BBW, but wouldn't know just how big from pics. Big girl.

Accurate Pics? Not really, it's the girl in the pics but she wasn't made up at all when I visited and in fact was in sweats without any attempt at appearance. Also heavier than in posted pics.

Phone Number: List 7 of 10 digits: (616) -8400.

Email: and / A.

Independent? Agency? Both. She works out of Royal, but she had me come to her apartment.

Age: Posted? And / A Looks like? Early 30's.

Ethnicity: Not sure, but kind of Mexican / Italian-ish.

Skin Tone: slight olive.

Hair color: dark.

Teeth: All there.

Bust size: Large.

Bust Appearance: Semi-saggy.

Tattoos: Yes.

Piercings: None that I could see.

Feet: Toe sucking? No.

Smoker? Yes, but not during session.

Incall:

Safe? Yes.

Neighborhood? Just off 28th near airport.

Residential? Yes, decent apartment complex in quiet neighborhood, but a smoky, smelly mess.

Repeat at this incall? No.

Repeat with this provider? No.

Date of Meeting: April 2017.

Overall rating: Massage Skills? 5/10 Attitude? 5/10, not unfriendly, but not really caring.

Description of Experience: Total YMMV experience. I saw an ad for Angel on BP that listed her as independent (it was later that I would see her ads with Cloe at Royal). Her pics made her look like a hot curvy girl with great massage skills. I got to her place and she had on sweats and no make-up kind of like she didn't give a damn. Not attractive. Got inside to smelly messy place with cats. Table was in a small bedroom. Lightly rubbed lotion on me with occasional pressure here and there. No teasing. No verbal play. Flipped and had to upsell to get topless. Got to work on the HE and actually did well there. Overall, just wanted to get me in, get me off, get me out, and get paid. I've had too many better experiences to ever go back.

Forgot one other very important thing to add:

Length of time advertised for this rate? 1 hr.

Length of time actually spent with provider? 40 min.

If you fellas try just a little harder, you might be able to fill a full fucking page with your silly-ass form. Do you guys really take getting some pussy this seriously? Must be something in the water up there. I'm waiting for someone to add something about bowel movement consistency to the list of shit to grade.

[TeddBear]

This is what I meant that it is a review of providers ability and looks together not just looks my point was Jenn is a good provider as reviewed by many yes she has body flaws but it's not fair to poorly review her by looks alone is shallow and not very accurate bobby Joe77 head Bobby doesn't realize this and wants to call me an ass hole well fuck him keep whining instead of fucking and reporting about fucking instead of getting fucked.

[WaltK]

I can't imagine why this needs to be debated but what the fuck.

Looks and performance are clearly two different things and both are very subjective. Everyone knows that every review is full of subjective info, any monger who has been around the block a few times knows this. There is an implied YMMV with every review. I don't see any more validity to the notion that a monger should gloss over a providers looks because of good performance than I do for the idea that poor performance should be excused for good looks. The primary benefit to review boards has always been about safety issues; LE stings, ripoffs etc.

I have been amazed at how many times I have met women that were reviewed as being hot and found them to be mediocre looking to downright unattractive. I don't care how well a woman performs, I don't pay twice for unattractive. But that is me, admittedly I am as shallow as a mud puddle and I am not going to apologize or feel bad about it. The other thing that I think comes into play a lot for looks oriented mongers is the "going through the motions" performance that you get when the provider knows that you are disappointed in her appearance. Many of the board favorites are average to below average looking (and they know it), so when they sense the monger isn't into them they naturally don't perform as well. Conversely, I think it stands to reason that a young hottie will perform better for a decent looking guy than she will for a 50 something year old fat sweaty pig. You can't knock the fugly chick or the hottie for this, chemistry matters both ways.

[Libertas]

Teddbear. I just wanted to post a comment and my opinion on the matter of something you said on the other thread. You stated a monger shouldn't give a negative review of a good performer based off the provider's look. That's a tough subject, I think both should be weighed independently and possibly provide an average of the two for the final score with the caveat that any monger reading would need to do a deeper look into why the score is that way.

Shallow or not, at the end of the day we're the customers and paying customers should have a good idea of what they're purchasing. It's why I typically share only factual information. If the item is subjective. I'll state it. The problem is there are mongers that can't tell the difference between the two and post "Smoking body" when in reality the body is 200 pounds with childbirth scars or "She's petite and hot as all heck" but in reality she's rail thin with track marks. One is subjective the other is factual. Mongers need to focus on providing factual information over subjective information.

[BobbyJoe77]

TB, one of the mongers (small m) arguing has several whiney posts about not having luck Mongering. One post sounded like he was going to do harm to himself. He or Admin deleted it. Probably because it was creepy and pathetic. Luckily we were blessed with this here Pugilistic Section where things can get stirred up real good! WooooooooooOOOOOOO!

Appreciate the support.

[BobbyJoe77]

I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion.

TB stop being a asshole please.

[NoseJelly]

TB, one of the mongers (small m) arguing has several whiney posts about not having luck Mongering. One post sounded like he was going to do harm to himself. He or Admin deleted it. Probably because it was creepy and pathetic. Luckily we were blessed with this here Pugilistic Section where things can get stirred up real good! WooooooooooOOOOOOO!

[TeddBear]

I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion.

[NoseJelly]

Fuckin' A!

[Bth9318]

To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

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I know I talk some shit on here but when it comes to this I am a total gentlman. I let them know it's coming, if they back off its fine. I have a rule I apply to providers and my employees. If I won't or can't do it how can I expect you to. Nothing in anal, no cock in any shape or form so that would apply to cim. Now with that said if you do not do cim or facial then for Christ sakes learn how to finish the BBBJ correctly. I hate when your there and they back off and stop stroking it and let it hang there. Don't STOP TILL I YELL YOU. No quicker way to ruin a good BBBJ. Thank you.

[MrLovaLova1]

1. Hygiene. Biggest pet peeve. I'll use real instances. I had a construction worker try to see me on his break after working in 90 degree weather.

No.

2. No shows / sending the wrong address. Wrong addresses are the worst.

3. Picking fights with me. I've had quite a few people, not sure if they're members of the board actually pick fights with me and insult me because I don't offer their fetish or offer what they want.

4. Offering me drugs.

5. Endless calls. Texting is no problem for me. But I don't stay at where I'm hosting. I go home inbetween appointments since I have a personal limit of a certain amount of people a day. I understand why some people prefer calls, it's just harder to answer them when I'm at home.

I respect your comments and your openness to provide your perspectives. I just wish more providers used this site in this way instead of self promotion but hey just my opinion!

[AvaMarie8155]

1. Hygiene. Biggest pet peeve. I'll use real instances. I had a construction worker try to see me on his break after working in 90 degree weather.

No.

2. No shows / sending the wrong address. Wrong addresses are the worst.

3. Picking fights with me. I've had quite a few people, not sure if they're members of the board actually pick fights with me and insult me because I don't offer their fetish or offer what they want.

4. Offering me drugs.

5. Endless calls. Texting is no problem for me. But I don't stay at where I'm hosting. I go home inbetween appointments since I have a personal limit of a certain amount of people a day. I understand why some people prefer calls, it's just harder to answer them when I'm at home.

Reviews are pretty tough on the gals, laying out the good, bad, and ugly for all to see. Here is a chance to turn it around a bit and educate this monger group. Ladies, what are your top 3 complaints about mongers?

My money is on: bad hygiene, endless texting, and no shows.

[Love The Lips]

To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

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I know you're not a fan of cim but do you allow facials? I think those are hotter and more fun anyway!

[Girls1]

Probably was my fault.

Dreamed of trying the deed and she didn't like it.

She hadn't done it before, and I hoped she wouldn't mind it. Wrong. Next time more pineapple

Sorry Ava, my fault.

To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

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[TokyoDawson]

Holy crap Batman there are a lot of providers chiming in on every crevice of this forum. Ladies take notes while you're here please and thank you.

Rant over.

Reviews are pretty tough on the gals, laying out the good, bad, and ugly for all to see. Here is a chance to turn it around a bit and educate this monger group. Ladies, what are your top 3 complaints about mongers?

My money is on: bad hygiene, endless texting, and no shows.