The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

**Righton1960** · 10-22-16 15:49

I want to reply to a couple of posts all at once, hopefully that's cool.

1) thanks for the notes on joining. I had used the site back when they still took money orders and got flustered.

2) Definitely a trend. I actually bring up STD safety stuff at the first meeting. I find that coming right out with it gives me all the info I need: are they safe, are they tested regularly, are they the sad casualties of regressive politics and abstinence-only sex ed? Usually it's 1 and 2 or 3. I also ask if they got the HPV vaccine and don't proceed if they haven't. If it's someone I intend to make an investment with I'll discuss document-able testing just to see how they react. The most trusted reply I got was "hah, yeah. We can do that, but I'd never trust it because it's all invalidated the moment you have sex with someone again and this isn't a world of trust. It's a world of transactions. " When I first started reading this and some other boards was the end of my seeing "regular" appointments -- way too many people trying to go BB with a pool of people using IV drugs and that's just insane. (sorry for the soapbox).

3) the end of point 2 was the best worst thing to happen to me. I went totally SD / UTR almost three years ago and I don't think I'd ever go back. The mirror to Thresh's point about being a target is that unlike with the backpage or even high class zones we can be in absolute control if you do things the right way. One important thing to note is that there are WAY more real women on SA than actual SDaddies. So we should all win by default. All of this assumes you understand how this is different. I can go to Raleigh Denim and spend nearly $200 on a pair of raw-denim jeans. Work them in the right way over the next six months and then I have a custom fit / fade to my body that will last me years with little to no extra investment. Or you could go buy three pairs of Levi's for that price. They will all be good, but never fit perfectly, will wear out in a year, and expect to see your co-worker wearing the same cut and fade at the work picnic. And then there's WalMart jeans. You might get crabs just trying them on.

Slow your roll. Do your research. Figure out your style and persona. Then start raking them in. Here's some testimonials. I'll give direct links via PM to some of you senior members (good SA match can still be UTR).

1- I joined last week. Spent the weekend lining up options since I had a work trip to another part of the state. First night I got there I met my first date for coffee at 4. We were in the hot tub by 5, to the room for round one, out for dinner around 7:30, back to the room for rounds 2-exhaustion. She spent the night. Everything was on the menu. Like pornstar meets kinky sub menu. Our discussion over the weekend included her naming a $$$ a little south of 1 k. I told her that I totally believe she has guys lining up to throw that kinda money at her but it was well outside my intended budget. We settled on less than half (and slightly more than the top priced BP girls around here).

2- Had someone lined up for the next day, but felt tired and work meetings were frustrating. So I told her that I wasn't feeling good and asked to wait until later and she was fine with that after lowering her stated price (and my saying I wasn't trying to low-ball her). That evening I got a text from night one asking she I'd like to "rejuvenate" in the hot tub. I said I would, but my budget didn't allow and she snipped back that she wanted the tub not my money (with a wink). Woke up with her the next morning as well. When I was leaving town I sent her a note saying I had fun and she replied that she did too and really hoped to see me next time (but remember this is NSA. I'm 100% yours when we are together, but only when we are together).

3- "work trip" was always a bit of an exaggeration. I was on a tour to see what I could establish in the area since I'll be there about 4-5 days each month for the coming year. So I started this day saying goodbye to my first baby and met my contact from the previous night for brunch. We had a nice time and made plans to get drinks at the hotel that night with the parting gift "and lets just go with that lower amount. You actually make me feel comfortable and it would be nice not going home feeling gross. " Started drinks picking up that conversation line. And talked the complications of consent and money and sexism and ended the night in my bed and her declining money. (that happens only once in a blue moon and I've already sent her some stuff I know she needs for her art addressed from "an anonymous patron. " (I'm tipping my hand here. I do believe that money and consent makes things fucked up and sticky and I did send it anonymously. But I knew she would know it was from me and wrote "I don't believe in romance, but this made me smile and I can't wait to make you smile again" . Call it a long con or a game or business, be good at what you are doing and you'll succeed).

4- day four was a wild card. I'd been corresponding with a number of other local college girl types. These can be flighty and fickle. I seem to have the right amount of charisma and humbleness that they will usually talk themselves into doing more with me that they claim they will do. So I had a couple on the line and kept pushing them off being busy or "not sure if I should invest the money. Business deals on this trip aren't working out how I had initially expected. " Had one offer to meet me for drinks "just for fun" out of the blue. She suggested a place and I countered (I always counter). Fast forward to my giving her a ride home instead of via Uber and being invited to her dorm room "because it'll be so hot" or something.

I'm out about 7. For the week. That's for two overnights (both with tours to greece) plus two more evenings. That comes in at under $20 an hour. Sure it's not non-stop action, but this always works for me. Next time I'll have at least three to choose from and all of them will meet me for even less than this first trip. I'll send some gifts in the meantime. Everybody feels good getting gifts in the mail. Make someone actually feel good and they will want to make you feel good too.

Back here now and have a test the waters date tonight in Raleigh, tomorrow in Greensboro, and Wednesday in Burlington (Elon) plus someone asking if I would like her to drive here from WS to meet for drinks since I told her I was getting too busy. All have the expectation of an initial meeting with me saying I'm gong to be traveling a lot over the next six months so we might have to space things out. By the end of this month's paid SA account I'll probably hay ve my next year or so totally lined up. I already know at least two people I've spoken with will just be FWB since they are either stepping out or using SA as a way to get a very specific type of arrangement.

Go in expecting to invest, but think of it across the full year and do the cost analysis. You'll be so much more happy about it in the end. Tinder has mostly dried up for this kind of action. A year ago I was swimming in women from there. But I'm ending up preferring these set-ups because they want to keep it on the DL and the ones I'm going for are using it like a useful tool that same way as I am, so it works.

Again, hit me directly if you want some specifics. I'm also happy detailing how I engage with them. Just not out here in the open.

Originally Posted by Bpr8064 [View Original Post]

The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.

Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.

**Triptogamont** · 10-21-16 15:15

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...1-828fa935d3a8

FYI. Lots of texting back and forth. Finally set up a meet. She gave me her address. Run down house in Durham. It's not in a horrible spot, but not great. I asked about meeting nearby in public, but she said she doesn't drive right now. She would come out and sit in the car and talk if I wanted. I let the little head say ok. Showed up and pulled into the driveway. A large gentlemen immediately peeked around the corner from the back of the house, then hid around the corner again. I bolted. She might be real, but I'm not finding out.

Stay safe.

**Triptogamont** · 10-21-16 13:45

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...a-c4c010f7aa68

Agreed on an allowance via message and text. Twice she mentioned wanting the allowance up front. I told her it sounded like a rob scam to me and she became belligerent. I blocked her on SA and phone.

**Bpr8064** · 10-20-16 11:29

The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.

Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.

Originally Posted by Thresh [View Original Post]

MrCoop,

You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.

I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.

Cheers: Thresh.

**Thresh** · 10-19-16 23:50

MrCoop,

You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.

I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.

Cheers: Thresh.

Originally Posted by MRCoop39 [View Original Post]

I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.

She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).

I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".

What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?

**MRCoop39** · 10-19-16 19:24

I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.

She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).

I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".

What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?

**YayaGogo** · 10-19-16 15:30

Originally Posted by Righton1960 [View Original Post]

Any thought on anonymous methods for getting a subscription to SA? Since it's an international transaction, most gift cards won't work.

I've always used the AMEX prepaid card. (forgot what it's called). You buy it at CVS and load it with the amount you want to spend, and there is no purchase fee (unlike prepaid credit cards 4. 95 or 7. 95). It is anonymous, as long as you enter the same zip code as where you bought the card it should work. If it doesn't, just contact support and explain the situation, give the digits of the card and they'll manually clear it within 24 hours or so. Good luck!

**JamesTr** · 10-19-16 12:32

Link to her profile?

Originally Posted by Dsrtp1 [View Original Post]

If anyone's seen Hannah with her boyfriend, pm me.

**Dsrtp1** · 10-18-16 14:13

If anyone's seen Hannah with her boyfriend, pm me.

**Dsrtp1** · 10-18-16 14:12

Originally Posted by Thresh [View Original Post]

This is definitely a trend. And I attribute it to several factors. Having a "baby daddy" who is successful is a ticket to stability for quite sometime.

Is the new trend with these young ones.

**PghGuy2005** · 10-17-16 19:47

Originally Posted by NepKng [View Original Post]

I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.

I like to go bare as I am snipped but all the SBs I've been with have insisted on protection. As already pointed out by Thresh be sure not to become the "Daddy" of their baby!

**Thresh** · 10-14-16 16:24

Originally Posted by NepKng [View Original Post]

I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.

This is definitely a trend. And I attribute it to several factors. Having a "baby daddy" who is successful is a ticket to stability for quite sometime.

**NepKng** · 10-14-16 15:48

I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.