WYP, SA, and other SD sites

[ShortMan22]

I wrote this in another forum. I bring it here for information only. I know many of you don't like to spend this level of money, to each their own, but for those of you who enjoy young UTR girls, here you go. As most of you know, Seeking Arrangement is a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website. There are other sites of this kind, and I have no idea is one is better than another, but Seeking Arrangement is the one I happened to use, based on advice from a USASG forum.

If you read the site's self-description, you might imagine it's for billionaires who want a gorgeous young thing to take to the opera on their arm, then squire them home in their limo, kiss them chastely on the lips, and give them a few thousand dollars. There are many, many women on the site who believe this too. But there aren't many billionaires in this world and those that exist aren't looking for Jenny from Maryland on a website.

In fact, this is for women who want presents or cash in exchange for dates, usually dates with a sexual component. This is much, much more difficult than searching for a traditional escort. The payoff, however, can be huge.

Here's what you'll need if you want to play: First, $70 to sign up for a month on the site; for maximum safety use a prepaid credit card from the drugstore. Second, a budget for lunches, dinners, drinks. Third, a disposable phone or app with minutes, and a free email address. Finally, lots and lots of time.

When you sign up, you'll need a picture for your profile. Google Reverse Image Search is your friend here. Take a real picture of yourself, reverse search it for similar images, find someone who looks something like you, and use their image. Don't use your Facebook profile picture. Don't use a picture with other people you know in it.

You can make up whatever details you like, but my advice is to make your profile fit whatever believable, larger story you want to tell. If you put down that you're single, then you would be available nights, right? Unless, of course, you work nights or have some other reason to be busy. Give it some thought before you post your profile. You can't put a phone number or email address on your profile, and this is enforced. They also encourage you not to use your real name.

Then, messages will start to come in. The search function is easy and intuitive. Beware, however, that every time you look at a member's profile, they will be notified. If you "favorite" someone, they will be notified. When you read a message someone sends you, they can tell by a little icon on the messaging page. The default is that you can see when someone joined and when they were last active, although this can be turned off. In general, this is not like facebook with the ability to silently stalk anyone you like. Rather, your every move will be seen by the sugar babies, and they will come out of the woodwork if they see you looking at their profile.

Then the dance begins. My advice is to be respectful, and polite, but early on make clear you're looking for private time and intimacy. Those code words seem to work wonders. You will hear from some of the women, "private time is ok, but of course no sexual contact, this is just companionship. " If you seek conversation only, go right ahead. It's possible some of them are just saying that as a cover, but I think the majority of these women actually buy into the facade of the site, and no means no.

From other women, you will hear a middle ground: "I'd like to be comfortable with you in public before I spend time with you alone. " These might be worth pursuing, but beware. One woman wanted $500 to have what would clearly be only drinks and conversation with her. I declined, so she told me I was mistakenly looking for an escort on a Sugar Baby site and cut me off. OK.

Finally there is the easiest category, women who are comfortable with the suggestion of "private time. " One woman bluntly told me she didn't have a place we could go to be alone, but I would have to provide one. Pretty clear sign.

Still, it's not necessarily straightforward. One very sexy young woman made clear she understood the deal. We met for dinner, got along, but she needed to leave, so we agreed to meet again. She went so far as to message me with a price: $300 "per adventure" paid in advance. OK, I thought, the masks are off. On the appointed day she asked where we were meeting. I texted back the name of a hotel. She blew up. Apparently asking her to meet me at a hotel made her feel like a "common prostitute. " Um, you actually quoted me a price, lady. I gracefully exited, deciding she wasn't worth pursuing, even as she said it would all be ok, we just needed to meet somewhere "nice" first. The thing about these sites is, there are a LOT of fish in the sea, and you can always move on.

Here's the strategy I landed on. Meet a lady for a late lunch or dinner at a pleasant restaurant that happens to be inside, attached to, or near a hotel. Know in advance that the hotel has vacancies. If all goes well, linger, then say something like "I'm having such a good time, I wish I could keep spending time with you. What are your plans?" If she says she has none, try to seal the deal. "We could go have a drink, or maybe talk about going somewhere private. " That's a carefully worded sentence, and you have an out. You only said you want to talk about it. But if she's ok with it, then suggest "I could see if they have a room available. ".

My best success so far was before I moved to Maryland: a young, intelligent, extremely hot Asian woman in her twenties. After a nice lunch and a drink, she's agreeable to the idea of getting a room. I gave her a little money and sent her for more drinks, mostly so she doesn't hear my real name at the front desk. We went upstairs and talked more in the room over our drinks, building the anticipation. Finally we attacked one another. She tore my clothes off and sucked and fucked me like she meant it. Condom on my insistence not hers. A specific amount was not discussed in advance. We did it four times over three hours, and it was fun, relaxed, and so damn hot, the real deal with a smoking young amateur. I left $400 on her purse. She was thrilled and said she hopes I'll call again. I probably will. A three-hour multiples session with a smoking hot twentysomething? Yes, please. Saw her several times before she moved away.

In Maryland I have met: A cute bartender from a Fells Point place who was, no lie, the single worst lover I've ever had. Just a cold fish dud. A rugby player who was pretty good looking and fun in bed but is out of town back in college now. A stripper (pics are with lizards, you'll know her when you see her) who was OK in bed but with strict rules (no oral at all, even covered.) A liberal college filmaking student who was nice, and willing, but not very attractive naked. I met a few in person but didn't close the deal. Notably, a skinny Russian model from DC, had lunch but got a vibe that she's green card hunting and wouldn't allow fun without a high cost. She keeps messaging me. So, no super finds so far in this state. I've let my sub lapse, I may go back after the holidays.

A few other suggestions: Your membership is monthly and expensive, so collecting email addresses and phone numbers by private message is to your advantage. As your membership runs out, make sure to save the info on members you might want to pursue. Make that month count, put in the time, and you'll have one or two fantastic regulars. Keep your real name out of it. Use that disposable phone and free email address exclusively.

I find the women, for the most part, give up their real information easily. I can find the actual names, phone numbers, facebook pages, and more for most of the women that I met in person and many I only messaged with on the site. Don't make the same mistake, especially when so many of the women can be touchy about the nature of what the site is really all about. One of the women you're "courting" could turn on you, upset that you're "implying something," and suddenly you're in trouble if she knows your identity.

I make no promise using these sites will help you find "better" or "cheaper" than backpage or eros-guide or anything like that. In my experience you can find some women who are full-time pros, the same women from backpage, at roughly the same prices. You probably won't find too many $40 car-date girls if that's your thing, but you never know. It's the others, the amateurs who are morally ok with this but not quite at the pro level, that get me going. I think there's all sorts on Sugar Baby sites, from perfect women who expect to be paid to talk to you to barely-literate strippers. It's about the thrill of the chase, and the promise of a relationship that's slightly more interesting, usually with a woman who genuinely wants to please you, because it's in her own long-term interest. That makes each individual session better, because if you do it right, you're with a woman who wants to keep a good thing going, not a woman who's already collected your money and is watching the clock tick.

Hope this helps somebody on the board. I'm happy to exchange info on specific ladies if I have it, but they turn over so fast it may not be all that useful.

-W.

-W.

This is excellent thsnks for sharing your knowledge.

[SpiceOfLife]

I have a budget and I stick to it. I might have a budget of $200 per date plus room, maybe more or maybe less, but after I assess the prospect I offer only what I can afford to pay her 4-6 times per month. If she scoffs at that, then she probably isn't for you. I would pay $400 for an experience like the previous poster had with that Asian honey, and I've paid that and more for high end escorts, but I'm looking for 1-2 times a week guaranteed at an affordable rate. For that I will give up seeing a variety of women (for the most part, anyway) and she will commit to seeing only me as well. I'm working on starting a monthly allowance with my current, which would give her a weekly budget she can depend on, but I can get it any time I want it with no additional expected, maybe 2-3 times a week or more. $1400 a month looks a lot better than $200. And I'm paying barely over $100 per date but I won't keep her out for 4 hours every date either. Some quickies, some more relaxed, and even overnighters are included although I would definitely include extra amenities in that case. My girl is up for it, but we haven't started it yet. Hopefully next week. We'll see how that works. I have another prospect lined up who will happily take that deal. And even though it's a monthly total, you never pay it up front. Offer it weekly after some get-to-know-you sessions, then bi-weekly if you're feeling confidant and can afford to lose a couple weeks' fun money without breaking the bank.

[Whistles]

I wrote this in another forum. I bring it here for information only. I know many of you don't like to spend this level of money, to each their own, but for those of you who enjoy young UTR girls, here you go. As most of you know, Seeking Arrangement is a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website. There are other sites of this kind, and I have no idea is one is better than another, but Seeking Arrangement is the one I happened to use, based on advice from a USASG forum.

If you read the site's self-description, you might imagine it's for billionaires who want a gorgeous young thing to take to the opera on their arm, then squire them home in their limo, kiss them chastely on the lips, and give them a few thousand dollars. There are many, many women on the site who believe this too. But there aren't many billionaires in this world and those that exist aren't looking for Jenny from Maryland on a website.

In fact, this is for women who want presents or cash in exchange for dates, usually dates with a sexual component. This is much, much more difficult than searching for a traditional escort. The payoff, however, can be huge.

Here's what you'll need if you want to play: First, $70 to sign up for a month on the site; for maximum safety use a prepaid credit card from the drugstore. Second, a budget for lunches, dinners, drinks. Third, a disposable phone or app with minutes, and a free email address. Finally, lots and lots of time.

When you sign up, you'll need a picture for your profile. Google Reverse Image Search is your friend here. Take a real picture of yourself, reverse search it for similar images, find someone who looks something like you, and use their image. Don't use your Facebook profile picture. Don't use a picture with other people you know in it.

You can make up whatever details you like, but my advice is to make your profile fit whatever believable, larger story you want to tell. If you put down that you're single, then you would be available nights, right? Unless, of course, you work nights or have some other reason to be busy. Give it some thought before you post your profile. You can't put a phone number or email address on your profile, and this is enforced. They also encourage you not to use your real name.

Then, messages will start to come in. The search function is easy and intuitive. Beware, however, that every time you look at a member's profile, they will be notified. If you "favorite" someone, they will be notified. When you read a message someone sends you, they can tell by a little icon on the messaging page. The default is that you can see when someone joined and when they were last active, although this can be turned off. In general, this is not like facebook with the ability to silently stalk anyone you like. Rather, your every move will be seen by the sugar babies, and they will come out of the woodwork if they see you looking at their profile.

Then the dance begins. My advice is to be respectful, and polite, but early on make clear you're looking for private time and intimacy. Those code words seem to work wonders. You will hear from some of the women, "private time is ok, but of course no sexual contact, this is just companionship. " If you seek conversation only, go right ahead. It's possible some of them are just saying that as a cover, but I think the majority of these women actually buy into the facade of the site, and no means no.

From other women, you will hear a middle ground: "I'd like to be comfortable with you in public before I spend time with you alone. " These might be worth pursuing, but beware. One woman wanted $500 to have what would clearly be only drinks and conversation with her. I declined, so she told me I was mistakenly looking for an escort on a Sugar Baby site and cut me off. OK.

Finally there is the easiest category, women who are comfortable with the suggestion of "private time. " One woman bluntly told me she didn't have a place we could go to be alone, but I would have to provide one. Pretty clear sign.

Still, it's not necessarily straightforward. One very sexy young woman made clear she understood the deal. We met for dinner, got along, but she needed to leave, so we agreed to meet again. She went so far as to message me with a price: $300 "per adventure" paid in advance. OK, I thought, the masks are off. On the appointed day she asked where we were meeting. I texted back the name of a hotel. She blew up. Apparently asking her to meet me at a hotel made her feel like a "common prostitute. " Um, you actually quoted me a price, lady. I gracefully exited, deciding she wasn't worth pursuing, even as she said it would all be ok, we just needed to meet somewhere "nice" first. The thing about these sites is, there are a LOT of fish in the sea, and you can always move on.

Here's the strategy I landed on. Meet a lady for a late lunch or dinner at a pleasant restaurant that happens to be inside, attached to, or near a hotel. Know in advance that the hotel has vacancies. If all goes well, linger, then say something like "I'm having such a good time, I wish I could keep spending time with you. What are your plans?" If she says she has none, try to seal the deal. "We could go have a drink, or maybe talk about going somewhere private. " That's a carefully worded sentence, and you have an out. You only said you want to talk about it. But if she's ok with it, then suggest "I could see if they have a room available. ".

My best success so far was before I moved to Maryland: a young, intelligent, extremely hot Asian woman in her twenties. After a nice lunch and a drink, she's agreeable to the idea of getting a room. I gave her a little money and sent her for more drinks, mostly so she doesn't hear my real name at the front desk. We went upstairs and talked more in the room over our drinks, building the anticipation. Finally we attacked one another. She tore my clothes off and sucked and fucked me like she meant it. Condom on my insistence not hers. A specific amount was not discussed in advance. We did it four times over three hours, and it was fun, relaxed, and so damn hot, the real deal with a smoking young amateur. I left $400 on her purse. She was thrilled and said she hopes I'll call again. I probably will. A three-hour multiples session with a smoking hot twentysomething? Yes, please. Saw her several times before she moved away.

In Maryland I have met: A cute bartender from a Fells Point place who was, no lie, the single worst lover I've ever had. Just a cold fish dud. A rugby player who was pretty good looking and fun in bed but is out of town back in college now. A stripper (pics are with lizards, you'll know her when you see her) who was OK in bed but with strict rules (no oral at all, even covered.) A liberal college filmaking student who was nice, and willing, but not very attractive naked. I met a few in person but didn't close the deal. Notably, a skinny Russian model from DC, had lunch but got a vibe that she's green card hunting and wouldn't allow fun without a high cost. She keeps messaging me. So, no super finds so far in this state. I've let my sub lapse, I may go back after the holidays.

A few other suggestions: Your membership is monthly and expensive, so collecting email addresses and phone numbers by private message is to your advantage. As your membership runs out, make sure to save the info on members you might want to pursue. Make that month count, put in the time, and you'll have one or two fantastic regulars. Keep your real name out of it. Use that disposable phone and free email address exclusively.

I find the women, for the most part, give up their real information easily. I can find the actual names, phone numbers, facebook pages, and more for most of the women that I met in person and many I only messaged with on the site. Don't make the same mistake, especially when so many of the women can be touchy about the nature of what the site is really all about. One of the women you're "courting" could turn on you, upset that you're "implying something," and suddenly you're in trouble if she knows your identity.

I make no promise using these sites will help you find "better" or "cheaper" than backpage or eros-guide or anything like that. In my experience you can find some women who are full-time pros, the same women from backpage, at roughly the same prices. You probably won't find too many $40 car-date girls if that's your thing, but you never know. It's the others, the amateurs who are morally ok with this but not quite at the pro level, that get me going. I think there's all sorts on Sugar Baby sites, from perfect women who expect to be paid to talk to you to barely-literate strippers. It's about the thrill of the chase, and the promise of a relationship that's slightly more interesting, usually with a woman who genuinely wants to please you, because it's in her own long-term interest. That makes each individual session better, because if you do it right, you're with a woman who wants to keep a good thing going, not a woman who's already collected your money and is watching the clock tick.

Hope this helps somebody on the board. I'm happy to exchange info on specific ladies if I have it, but they turn over so fast it may not be all that useful.

-W.

[Wolverineman]

Anybody been robbed or had attempted extortion? I am soooo glad for google's search by image. It'll save your ass. There are some scammers (on both sides) on SA.

Thanks for the heads up. It would be great to know who they are if you know.

[Member #4966]

Anybody been robbed or had attempted extortion? I am soooo glad for google's search by image. It'll save your ass. There are some scammers (on both sides) on SA.

[RichK56]

Thanks for the kinds words about my research. On Backpage, I usually expect apartments and motels to be places of business, but on SA I usually suggest a meeting in public first because that seems like what a girl who wants to be safe would do. When they tell me they can host and ask me to bring the cash with me I run the address through google, get a name or names and look them up on Maryland Case Search. Gov. MDCASEsearch. Gov lists all criminal and civil cases that have been in the courts. That address had five different hand gun violations in the last six weeks and two trials pending in Baltimore City District Court. Cambria went into a long story about her son defending his son over some dispute at her apartment. Since, I don't want to live in a community that requires a constant appeal to the Second Amendment, I called the private meeting off. She did not respond at all to the idea of a public meeting instead. Perhaps I was actually talking to the son who was setting me up. I'd rather not find out.

Thats excellent research. I typically also search the number they provide in Facebook and often get useful information. Then search that name in Maryland Case Search. The internet is wonderful in keeping us safe. Seems like you really dodged a bullet (literally) in that one.

[SpiceOfLife]

Comrades, Sunny lives up in Edgewood. She does not drive and claims to have just returned from six years living in France. She seems very intelligent. She was going to uber to a nice restaurant down near Towson to meet, and wanted me to pay for travel and lunch. When I told her I would but it would be to just get acquainted to see if we clicked, she wrote back immediately to tell me I was't what she was looking for.

Cambria2222 and I had been working on a meeting at her apartment by Morgan State where she would host. . 300 for an afternoon. Not sure what was on the table. When she mailed me the address and apt. I googled it and found that a resident had five hand gun violations at that address. And outstanding court cases as a result. I told her that was a real red flag for me to meet her at her place, but I would meet her in public. She responded that was unfair of me to search her address on google and md case search. It was her son who didn't live there, and he was a good man. I told her it was the guns that bothered me. I don't like to be around guns. I would be happy to meet her anywhere in public first. She stopped writing, which makes me think it might have been the son with a gun I was writing to who wanted the 300. That would be quiet a scam. Get guys from SA over to an apartment, show your gun, and take their money, expecting they weren't about to complain because of what they were there for.

Allfunnogames lives in North East. She wants 350 the first time and 300 there after. Her pics look amazing. We are talking about meeting Friday, but that is an hour drive both ways for me. She has a young daughter who gets home at 4.

No word on Jaz12 or Michelle.

Stay careful out there.

John Famous.

Those prices seem steep to me. I've offered as much as $250 but so far have never given more than $200 and have had no shortage of selection. I figure the guys who are willing to throw $300 plus at these prospects are few and far between. It's almost Christmas, Spring semester is coming up, and $200 is better than $0. 00. I was rejected by quite a few ladies at first, some of whom were looking for $500, but I've found that the true SB's who are actually looking for a mutually beneficial arrangement usually are more reasonable especially if they view you as a long term option. Every time I go into SA or WYP I still see some of the very women who wouldn't take $250 from me a year ago. If they were all that, a rich Daddy would have taken them off the market by now.

[Johnfamous]

Kudos to you for using the internet to its full potential. I was not even aware such options do exist. Perhaps it might be a good idea to to dedicate a thread to discuss the public domain information that mongers could use to keep themselves safe. You perhaps saved yourself trouble with some intelligent sleuthing!

Thanks for the kinds words about my research. On Backpage, I usually expect apartments and motels to be places of business, but on SA I usually suggest a meeting in public first because that seems like what a girl who wants to be safe would do. When they tell me they can host and ask me to bring the cash with me I run the address through google, get a name or names and look them up on Maryland Case Search. Gov. MDCASEsearch. Gov lists all criminal and civil cases that have been in the courts. That address had five different hand gun violations in the last six weeks and two trials pending in Baltimore City District Court. Cambria went into a long story about her son defending his son over some dispute at her apartment. Since, I don't want to live in a community that requires a constant appeal to the Second Amendment, I called the private meeting off. She did not respond at all to the idea of a public meeting instead. Perhaps I was actually talking to the son who was setting me up. I'd rather not find out.

[Lebruno]

Kudos to you for using the internet to its full potential. I was not even aware such options do exist. Perhaps it might be a good idea to to dedicate a thread to discuss the public domain information that mongers could use to keep themselves safe. You perhaps saved yourself trouble with some intelligent sleuthing!

When she mailed me the address and apt. I googled it and found that a resident had five hand gun violations at that address. And outstanding court cases as a result. I told her that was a real red flag for me to meet her at her place, but I would meet her in public. She responded that was unfair of me to search her address on google and md case search. John Famous.

[Johnfamous]

Sorry to bother you gents again. I'm currently in correspondence with Sunny, Jaz12 and Michelle on SA. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience?

Comrades, Sunny lives up in Edgewood. She does not drive and claims to have just returned from six years living in France. She seems very intelligent. She was going to uber to a nice restaurant down near Towson to meet, and wanted me to pay for travel and lunch. When I told her I would but it would be to just get acquainted to see if we clicked, she wrote back immediately to tell me I was't what she was looking for.

Cambria2222 and I had been working on a meeting at her apartment by Morgan State where she would host. . 300 for an afternoon. Not sure what was on the table. When she mailed me the address and apt. I googled it and found that a resident had five hand gun violations at that address. And outstanding court cases as a result. I told her that was a real red flag for me to meet her at her place, but I would meet her in public. She responded that was unfair of me to search her address on google and md case search. It was her son who didn't live there, and he was a good man. I told her it was the guns that bothered me. I don't like to be around guns. I would be happy to meet her anywhere in public first. She stopped writing, which makes me think it might have been the son with a gun I was writing to who wanted the 300. That would be quiet a scam. Get guys from SA over to an apartment, show your gun, and take their money, expecting they weren't about to complain because of what they were there for.

Allfunnogames lives in North East. She wants 350 the first time and 300 there after. Her pics look amazing. We are talking about meeting Friday, but that is an hour drive both ways for me. She has a young daughter who gets home at 4.

No word on Jaz12 or Michelle.

Stay careful out there.

John Famous.

[RichK56]

It seems these gals want the date experience first before the dessert. Not a problem if you have the time. Typically worth it IMO.

[JoeBlowDC]

For me I prefer SA as a trip to the FC is pretty much given but I have had some success on WYP.

I cover a M&G dinner and then when the topic of $ comes up I simply say "of course, but that includes a trip to the capital FC". If is cool then what follows is "LET'S GO!" if not then I know I've already got an issue of GPS on my hands.

[RKirk]

Please forgive my ignorance guys but what does SA stand for?

Seekingarrangements.com

[SpiceOfLife]

I have been a member of SA for a while and had some success on there. I have done a few reports on the girls I have seen. I am curious about WYP. I haven't tried it and was hoping to get a little information from those with experience. Do the girls really expect you to take them on a date first? How often does getting right down to it initially happen or is it really only after the second time or beyond? Just curious as to the experience and what happens. Thanks in advance for any info. Wolverineman. Go Blue!

About half of my SA M&G's didn't go directly to the FC. So far, I'm 1 for 1 on WYP as far as going immediately to the good stuff.

[Hovito]

Was suppost to meet up with this one Saturday night, texted for a little bit a few days prior, we agreed on a price and where to meet,(her hotel says she's living there temporarily) when I asked her to call me she vanished, no text no call oh well on to the next one if anyone does or has hooked up with her let me know.

Check the streetwalker thread, plenty of info. About her there.