"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1691546]The best advice that I ever received from a Brother in the forum was: 'Remember that all of these women are fucking for money! '

That being said, there is no real difference between a escort and a sugar baby. Except for in the mind of those willing to engage in the worst form of deception: self deception.

Sub Cmdr.

I agree with your basic premise. I think there is a nuance that you may not have considered that does create a small difference, which is founded upon your second sentence above. I think you were referring to the self deception of the SD; I refer to the self deception of the SB. Yes, they are fucking for money. However, I don't think the real SB has quite accepted that in the way that an escort does. An escort (in most cases) is really about production: get you in, drain you (of money, certainly; of semen, if she must). A true sugarbaby wants to respect herself and believe that she is a companion and that the money is secondary. A minor difference, true, but to bolster that belief I think some are willing to make themselves more accessible in terms of time, intimacy beyond physical, and emotion. I think that can create a better experience for the SD, and thus make it worth the extra effort or cost that may go along with it. I welcome the thoughts of others on the forum on my perception.

[EuroInCincy]

Just the illusion is given it is different.

Emailed with a new one on SA. She wanted to take it to Y messenger.

The Yesses are being worked one by one. Yes she wants to know exactly what I will do for her.

And right between a message I get this one.

"got your other email. I can't just drive up and stay the night. Would like to get to know you a little before that."

Now I not emailed her about her driving up, since she is close, and staying the night. So she is talking to me and atleast another.

See Hernando. It is all an illusion, a real life game to make our toes curl the best way.

"never give up Never surrender"

[Revvo]

What techniques tools, and strategies have you guys employed to reduce the flake factor. One thing I do is to avoid the real young ones who are just entering the bowl.

They appear to be the most flakiest of all flakes. Also there appears to be a phase that many of them go through where they have entered the bowl and the discussions but have not actually fucked for money yet. These almost certainly will get cold feet and flake a time or two before they go back and go through with it.

Also look for someone who has some responsibility already. Real job, really going to college etc.

I have also found that the same baby can be a flake now but in the future may not be a flake. So follow up don't burn bridges and above all be patient. I have learned much about patience from this game.

What do you guys do?

Revvo

[SubCmdr]

Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?

The best advice that I ever received from a Brother in the forum was: 'Remember that all of these women are fucking for money! '

That being said, there is no real difference between a escort and a sugar baby. Except for in the mind of those willing to engage in the worst form of deception: self deception. So, go down through the list of questions. And you receive a yes answer to them. In the end you pay them money. Bottom line. End of story. Period. When they leave with your splooge dripping from all three holes, no matter how eloquent you rap has been; or how well you have rocked their world (or faked it without your knowledge). They leave the encounter with money. They have just fucked for money. Straight up garden tool!

Sugar Babies are just garden tools with a different marketing plan. And the gauntlet we must all run in the sugar game is simply a method that allows them to choose who they wish to fuck. It does not change the fact that they are fucking for money! Play the game! Love the pussy! Do not love the garden tools.

Everyone here has different methods that work for them. They all work because the garden tools are all different. And we are ALL fucking! Find the methods that work for you. My advice Mr. Wnde8 is to RTFF! Put some mother fucking work in! Learn your market. Decide where you wish to enter and begin the negotiations with the garden tools in your area or beyond post haste. There is no substitute for playing the game.

Go balls deep; Go HAM and prosper,

SubCmdr Out!

[Wnde8]

Darn, I guess that's the disadvantage of getting a huge discount using "sugar" instead of paying per hour.

How many girls are you having to exchange messages with before you get a yes?

[Magic Rat]

JG,

This is one of the more well-said descriptions of the path to success, and very real pitfalls, in the Sugar Bowl, and the essential difference between escorts and babies. Even if an SB said "yes" to you, it does not mean she automatically will say "yes" to me, regardless of the amount of sugar offered. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the Bowl.

Scott

Damn Scott! There is a challenger to the most eloquent poster on this thread! One of the best posts ever John! I would also add that even though you get through all those "yeses" one or multiple times, it doesn't mean you are going to get a yes from the same Baby every time. Evidently that thing they have that we desire so much, also makes them a fickle creature.

[EuroInCincy]

It does make things cumbersome sometimes and trying to explain why your phone can't accept pictures. But on the other hand if you're using a burner phone, i.

Explanation simple.

" Yes I know it is a hassle for you to email me your pics, but I turned of pictures because I travel abroad frequently. As you know ATT (etc) charges and arm and a leg for data and mms if I am in Europe / Asia / so I got home to a big surprise. A BIG FAT bill. So I learned my lesson and just turned it of totally. Mmm if you have a passport eventually I can take you to. London. Rome. Paris. Rio if you want to throw it is as a 'bone' "

That works as a charm.

[Wnde8]

Just to add to what Scott said. It be hooves you to take your time with this. Look carefully at what these experts have to say. Because this is a lot more than just the poontang and the cost. There is quite a bit of risk involved also.

Step carefully

Thanks! No major risk on my part though because I'm not in a relationship at the moment and am pretty good about making sure my accounts payable always has a higher balance than my receivables.

Have you guys gone over live-in relationships? If so I'll try and hunt the info down in this thread; don't really have time to read the whole Vol 1. 30 at the moment though.

[F Scott]

This is a patient man's game. Most SBs are straddling the line between normal society and the amoral netherworld. If you bark too loud in many cases you'll scare them back to normal society. Speak too softly and they'll roll you with GPS. It's about striking that right balance, not just with your money but how you approach them and your attitude. Unlike with escorts, SBs can and will say "No'. Part of the fun of this pursuit is that since the girls can say "no", it's more rewarding when you actually get them to say "yes". And getting to the point where you're banging a 20 HYC in the FC takes a lot of "Yes"s.

"Yes" for the initial contact.

"Yes" on exchanging pictures and email.

"Yes" that she liked your picture (or found it acceptable)

"Yes" on exchanging phone numbers.

"Yes" to basic arrangement details.

"Yes" on a M&G.

"Yes" on the financials details of the arrangement

"Yes" on intimacy details of the arrangement.

"Yes" on scheduling on a time / date for the FC.

"Yes" on actually showing up to the FC on the day of

All those are pretty much the minimum amount of "yes" hurdles required to bag a SB. A breakdown in anywhere in that chain of "Yes"s can pretty much bring the whole thing down and have the entire thing a wasted effort. If you want a quick and an easy lay, go with escorts. With escorts, they just have one "Yes" hurdle. As long as you give them their required "donation", they'll bang you sight unseen until you show up at the hotel door.

Now once you get things going with a good SB, it can be one of the best things in the world. But it's a lot of work and you pretty much have to enjoy (or at least tolerate) the pursuit because it can feel unending at times. And there's some very real risks involved. I've seen guys who successfully mongered in the escort / AMP world for 10-20 years, get taken down in the sugar bowl after 6. 18 months because of a psycho, identity exposure, emotional involvement, or STD.

JG,

This is one of the more well-said descriptions of the path to success, and very real pitfalls, in the Sugar Bowl, and the essential difference between escorts and babies. Even if an SB said "yes" to you, it does not mean she automatically will say "yes" to me, regardless of the amount of sugar offered. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the Bowl.

Scott

[John G Smith]

Look carefully at what these experts have to say.

I don't think anyone here is an expert. We're just a collection of accumulated experiences. And it's in a newbie's best interest to take advantage and read up on all the experiences posted in this thread. You'll see there's quite a few different approaches to the Sugar Bowl, but the one commonality is that there is no easy path and there are pitfalls everywhere.

This is a patient man's game. Most SBs are straddling the line between normal society and the amoral netherworld. If you bark too loud in many cases you'll scare them back to normal society. Speak too softly and they'll roll you with GPS. It's about striking that right balance, not just with your money but how you approach them and your attitude. Unlike with escorts, SBs can and will say "No'. Part of the fun of this pursuit is that since the girls can say "no", it's more rewarding when you actually get them to say "yes". And getting to the point where you're banging a 20 HYC in the FC takes a lot of "Yes"s.

"Yes" for the initial contact.

"Yes" on exchanging pictures and email.

"Yes" that she liked your picture (or found it acceptable)

"Yes" on exchanging phone numbers.

"Yes" to basic arrangement details.

"Yes" on a M&G.

"Yes" on the financials details of the arrangement

"Yes" on intimacy details of the arrangement.

"Yes" on scheduling on a time / date for the FC.

"Yes" on actually showing up to the FC on the day of

All those are pretty much the minimum amount of "yes" hurdles required to bag a SB. A breakdown in anywhere in that chain of "Yes"s can pretty much bring the whole thing down and have the entire thing a wasted effort. If you want a quick and an easy lay, go with escorts. With escorts, they just have one "Yes" hurdle. As long as you give them their required "donation", they'll bang you sight unseen until you show up at the hotel door.

Now once you get things going with a good SB, it can be one of the best things in the world. But it's a lot of work and you pretty much have to enjoy (or at least tolerate) the pursuit because it can feel unending at times. And there's some very real risks involved. I've seen guys who successfully mongered in the escort / AMP world for 10-20 years, get taken down in the sugar bowl after 6. 18 months because of a psycho, identity exposure, emotional involvement, or STD.

[Revvo]

Just to add to what Scott said. It be hooves you to take your time with this. Look carefully at what these experts have to say. Because this is a lot more than just the poontang and the cost. There is quite a bit of risk involved also.

Step carefully

[F Scott]

Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?

Dude,

I can see by the tone and content of your question you have not read all that far back in this thread, and so would be willing to forgive you, but you clearly have the entirely wrong idea about the Bowl. It is not an escort service, despite what some of the tongue-in-cheek posts might lead you to believe.

I suggest you go back to the beginning post, ground zero, and spend some time reading up. There is almost four years of intel here, and many many more years of accumulated wisdom that anyone would be willing to share, once you have paid some dues, my brother. The Club does not discriminate, but newbies need to show some respect for the unique nature of this particular pursuit.

Not trying to be a dick-head, but this is not for everyone, is not easy, nor fast, and is not just about the bennies. I have spoken to any number of SBs who tell me how turned off they are by guys who contact them with an aggressive pay-for-play approach. If that's your game, you will be sent down to the minors in a heartbeat. Think of this as real life, but with a few mutually-understood short cuts.

Scott

[Wnde8]

Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?

[RavensFan]

I also use GV for myself, it is pretty easy to use and for andriod you can hide the app inside setting, when people ask I can say it is one of the app that came with the phone. I clear all the GV message in my phone daily, no need to keep them there since you can go to the GV website and get all you message there. As for pic, I can get pic and it will go right to my email, still can't send pic yet but I m pretty sure it will be fix soon.

I also score on my second SB today, a 20 why / o white girl in VA. Found her in sd4m, after a few email and couple day of text we met up on Sunday for lunch. Same girl from the pic, very pretty, lovely eye but about 25lbs heavier. Everything went well and I can tell she had never done anything like this before (or she is a very good actor and fool me well). After I told her what I want and ask her how I can help, she couldn't tell me how much she really wants so I ask her is there any bill that you need help to take care of. She told me about her car payment, which is $$$ a month. I told her I can take care of that if we can meet once a week and she gladly accept. Next thing you know we went to a near by motel and spend the whole afternoon together. So 4 hour later she said she has to go, needs to be back before 7. She got dressed and gave me a kiss goodbye. At this point I realize I haven't give her the allowance yet and she was already out the door. So I asked her to come back and took care of her. Finalize some detail and scheduled our next meet.

[John G Smith]

Pot #2 sent me some pics today using GV. I had the option selected to forward texts to email and it did and I could view the pics there. Downside was I got 50 emails (one for each text she sent me during a long conversation.

Sprint and a few other carriers are slowly supporting GV MMS. So if your SB uses Sprint, she'll be able to send you pictures directly to your GV number and it will appear as an email attachment to your associated gmail address. But otherwise, yes you have to tell them to email the pictures instead. It does make things cumbersome sometimes and trying to explain why your phone can't accept pictures. But on the other hand if you're using a burner phone, it's also not wise to keep suggestive pics of girls on your phone lest your SO discovers your burner. So I prefer to keep my phones pic-free and always have the pics flow-through anonymous email.

As for texting with GV, if you're near a computer, just use the GV website to text. It's much faster than using a phone and probably will draw less attention. Obviously just don't leave the browser window open if you walk away.