Relationships with Massage Providers

[Numbah One]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.

The problem with a provider is."How do you know whether the provider is putting on an act, to get your money, or that she is serious about you"?

I ran into a provider that had all the signs of a seriously in love straight woman! Very jealous, said she loved me and had all the signs of a regular woman in love! These days, I discard any and all love reactions, from a provider, because of her! A provider is in a predicament and no matter what she does, most mongers will not believe her! Sorry Sidney, but it's true!

[Waikikian]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.

Sidney is right!

It should never come to this.

[Numbah One]

I have found one that was all that Jasmine said! Not all are like that. Some are very loving and honest! I lived with two MMS in the Baltimore / DC area and they were perfect ladies. I think about them once in a while! And I'm sure they check the Hawaii board to see how I'm doing. I later found out that she was married. Now that's got to be a strain on a marraige! And I found out that he cannot handle being married to a provider. He did threaten me a number of times. It must be sad to think that at one time he thought he could handle marraige to a provider. Only to find out that he couldn't! I don't fool myself when it comes to marraige to a provider. I know I cannot handle it! Since she owns a Massage Parlor and provides. You know she wants her cake and eat it too! A woman can't do it and be in the business. Anyway, that's my story on that. If she is not married, then she could be nice! Just be careful Mongers!

I too have had a similar experience! I just got fed up with the lies and false behavior from her and will have no more! I totally gave her up!

[Waikikian]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money / material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.

I have found one that was all that Jasmine said! Not all are like that. Some are very loving and honest! I lived with two MMS in the Baltimore / DC area and they were perfect ladies. I think about them once in a while! And I'm sure they check the Hawaii board to see how I'm doing. I later found out that she was married. Now that's got to be a strain on a marraige! And I found out that he cannot handle being married to a provider. He did threaten me a number of times. It must be sad to think that at one time he thought he could handle marraige to a provider. Only to find out that he couldn't! I don't fool myself when it comes to marraige to a provider. I know I cannot handle it! Since she owns a Massage Parlor and provides. You know she wants her cake and eat it too! A woman can't do it and be in the business. Anyway, that's my story on that. If she is not married, then she could be nice! Just be careful Mongers!

[IrishMale]

It takes all kinds to make the world go around. My experiences parallel more what Jasmine is saying but I have heard from others who have found a match and have even married. That's a good thing. I have had some who have lived with me but in general, and I emphasize "in general," gambling or drinking has been a problem. I don't drink and my gambling is limited to a casino visit once or twice a year. One lady I dated for a long time would make arrangements to take time off and go somewhere with me. She would start drinking and then decide to go with friends who were drinking buddies and go back to the spa instead of with me. Another who lived with me disappeared one day for two and a half days. Turned out she was at the casino. The second time I had to ask her to leave. Be that as it may, I don't regret the relationships because I enjoyed the ladies, had many good times beyond the obvious, and would take a chance again if a lady expressed interest. I was told however from a very Americanized Korean-born former spa owner that the most important thing for most, emphasizing most, of the workers was the money. Another former spa owner who was just a very good friend of mine told me I should not be looking for a relationship with a spa lady. She even introduced me to a very proper Korean lady. Unfortunately the language difference was too much to overcome.

For those who have been successful that's great. For those who are considering a relationship, just go into it with your eyes open. Enjoy it as much as it can and be prepared if it doesn't turn out to be what you want it to be. Those I've been with had great senses of humor and provided lots of good company. I learned a lot about the culture and enjoyed some of the greatest physical relationships I've ever had while with them.

[Sidney Merlot]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.

[Craven Morehed]

I posted on this thread before under my old handle. Look back; you'll figure it out. I hadn't posted in so long, I forgot my password, tried to get a new one from Jackson but failed, so I created this new name.

Anyway, my wife and I have been together five years and married for three years. She got her Green Card a little over a year ago. We went to Korea last summer and I met my wife's entire family. We all went on vacation together and we had a great time for the three weeks we were there.

I couldn't ask for a better wife. She's miles better than my first wife: better cook, better in bed (no surprise there) and so much nicer to me it should be illegal.

This woman never asked for a dime from me. In fact, and my previous posts will back this up, she threw/throws money at me like it's candy.

Our marriage is fan-fucking-tastic. My wife is a diamond in the rough and others like her are out there. You just have to be a decent enough guy to snag one.

Just remember this: you don't choose the girl. She chooses you.

Good luck and sarang haeyo.

Gotta love them asian women.

[Chon Maneyo]

I posted on this thread before under my old handle. Look back; you'll figure it out. I hadn't posted in so long, I forgot my password, tried to get a new one from Jackson but failed, so I created this new name.

Anyway, my wife and I have been together five years and married for three years. She got her Green Card a little over a year ago. We went to Korea last summer and I met my wife's entire family. We all went on vacation together and we had a great time for the three weeks we were there.

I couldn't ask for a better wife. She's miles better than my first wife: better cook, better in bed (no surprise there) and so much nicer to me it should be illegal.

This woman never asked for a dime from me. In fact, and my previous posts will back this up, she threw/throws money at me like it's candy.

Our marriage is fan-fucking-tastic. My wife is a diamond in the rough and others like her are out there. You just have to be a decent enough guy to snag one.

Just remember this: you don't choose the girl. She chooses you.

Good luck and sarang haeyo.

[Jasmine Smith]

I have dated many and I am with one now. NONE of them have been anything like you described. I am sure the people you speak of exist, but it is not 9 out 10 of them. You made that up.

You sound like you have an axe to grind, or you are maybe still pissed that you trusted someone and they took advantage. I am sorry to hear about that. But it slants your perspective when you deal with a bad person you start to see everyone as bad.

Same for me, I have dealt with only good honest ladies and therefore I am trusting of most AMP girls I meet. I am not a sucker and I am not stupid, but if a lady refuses to take money from you, she is not after money.

Girls I have met is not interested in staying here, they intend to go home, they do not want a greencard.

There are bad apples everywhere, you can meet any girl outside a spa and run just as much risk of her being after your money or status as a girl working a spa.

I did say don't get me wrong there are some good ones out there but they are rare and hard to find. I'm glad that the ones you've met were nice girls. That puts a smile on my face because I don't want to think about my race as just users. I've been working in the AMPs for 15 years and I've met a lot of girls I've even owned my own spa before. What they tell you a man and and what they show and tell me are two complete different things. Truthfully I don't have any axe to grind because it was my own stupidity that got me cheated. I was raised as an American by Caucasian parents. So maybe I don't understand as much about them as I would have if I had been raised as a Asian. I just know what I've seen and heard. I'm sorry if my comments offended some people. I didn't mean to do that. I just wanted to say just be careful.

[Brahmabull]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money/material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.

I have dated many and I am with one now. NONE of them have been anything like you described. I am sure the people you speak of exist, but it is not 9 out 10 of them. You made that up.

You sound like you have an axe to grind, or you are maybe still pissed that you trusted someone and they took advantage. I am sorry to hear about that. But it slants your perspective when you deal with a bad person you start to see everyone as bad.

Same for me, I have dealt with only good honest ladies and therefore I am trusting of most AMP girls I meet. I am not a sucker and I am not stupid, but if a lady refuses to take money from you, she is not after money.

Girls I have met is not interested in staying here, they intend to go home, they do not want a greencard.

There are bad apples everywhere, you can meet any girl outside a spa and run just as much risk of her being after your money or status as a girl working a spa.

[Jasmine Smith]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money/material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.

[IrishMale]

As time passes you will be able to go back and read your post, and see the clues that you were really in a business relationship with her. If it's a real relationship, meaning if she really has feelings for you, she won't ask for or take money from you just for spending the night with you. Most expect it and will treat you like a sugar daddy but the very few who care about you will continue to work but spend time with you will not always expect money from you. That's not to say they won't expect you to pay nicely for dinners, travel or other dates. Look at it this way. Forget about the money you spent. You have had a marvelous time with someone who made you feel wonderful. It has run its course and you still want the same thing. The best cure for this is to find another Asian lady to befriend. And when you do, you will be far wiser and more attuned to the signs she gives off. It's time to go for the cure now. And if you catch them in a lie, ignore it and look for the cure again. Unless, of course, you are still enjoying the fruits of the lady.

[Litedave]

I just wish to again thank those of you who have posted here and have unashamedly and with sincerity conveyed your experiences. I especially admire those first posters that 2 and a half years ago manned up to express their feelings.

I cannot make excuses for what I did or my actions other being very nieve, lonely and stupid.

I have been visiting asian massage parlors for 30 years since I was in my twenties. I have always enjoyed the company of asian women because there is something about them that makes them different. Whether it is their culture, their eyes, cleanliness or natural aloofness, I just don't know. I have been with Thais, Koreans and Vietnamise. They all have an alure for my attention.

4 years ago I met a very attractive older Korean (early 50's) at a massage parlor here in town. We have probably 8 of these places here and I have been to almost all of them. Anyway, this lady knocked my socks off and we started getting along with each other in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. It continued to progress as time went on and became more serious. I knew she was in it for the money and I actually did not and still don't have a big problem with her occupation. I don't like what she does, but this is all she knows and I suspect that she has very little education in Korea. She knows no other way or is too lazy to make a living doing anything else. From what I could pull out of her, she came from a large family and according to her, her Father was a doctor and they traveled a lot around the world. I cannot understand how she got into the business and she has told me that she hides her occupation (as she is ashamed) from her family members who still live in Korea. She is very tight lipped when it comes to her past. I do know that she married an American and said she paid him $40, 000 so she could get over here. She eventually divorced this guy and married another American until his death in the late 90's. As things would have it she inherited his money and bought a home in another state where she vacations once or twice a year.

Our relationship became more serious as my wife and I have not gotten along for several years now as we stay separated most of the time.

I visit her at the massage parlor 3 to 4 times a month and I have had her out to the house 4 times. Each time paying her $1000 for a one night stand and then $1800 for a 2 nighter. I have spent 4 days with her at her home while she was on vacation last year at no charge. She has bought me clothing when we went shopping and bought me several lunches. The sex is the best I have ever had and for the most part we get along fine though she is hard to communicate with over the phone because of her heavy accent.

I told her that I love her and she tells me the same. We have talked to each other on the phone every day for the last year.

I started wising up last May when I had her over to the house. She was sitting in the kitchen and told me that her Brother had past away in Korea and that she needed to make some phone calls. Well, she went outside on the patio and I heard her laughing it up with someone on her cell phone. This was not anybody in her family and I got pissed off and didn't fuck her that night. The next day she confessed and told me it was a good customer that she called just to let him know she wasn't at work because she didn't want him traveling over there when she wasn't going to be there. I thought to myself why she would do this at my house and on my dime. I let it go.

The next problem I had was just after Christmas when I called her and she didn't answer. I left several messages and never heard from her until the next afternoon when she left a message saying she had been sick and throwing up all night. She didn't know it at the time, but I went to her work place the afternoon before and was told by the manager lady that she would not be back until the next day. I asked where she was and she told me she didn't know, but she borrowed her car to go wherever it was she went. I went by very early the next morning around 7:30 and the car had not returned. She and I got into it over this one. She lied and said she was out gambling all night, but did return around midnight.

The last incident just occured last week when she was returning from vacation and her plane was late. According to the airline company her plane landed earlier then what she told me. I had left a message on her voice mail to call me when her plane landed and she did not call until 2 hours after it had landed. Caught in another lie. So I don't know what she was doing.

I am so glad taht I stumbled onto this thread as it has made me face some cold realities. I am beginning to understand that these people can lie so very, very well. They can manipulate once they have mindfucked you. Once you have caught the "yellow fever" there is very little you can do to find a cure. It's just too damn bad that these people cannot find a normal life or maybe they would, but no one will have them. I never promised that I would marry her and maybe she is tired of my bullshit. She started screamming at me on the phone the other night when I confronted her about her plane landing late. She said she was tired of me questioning her about where she was, where she went, who she's with (afterall, I thought I was her BF). She got so mad that her voice even changed. Told me to never call her again then hung up.

I have been really depressed the last few days about the whole thing and have wondered if I have wasted my time with this woman. My thoughts are consumed by thinking of her each day. It's hard not to pick up the phone and call her. Maybe I need to go ahead and make the break because there is no end game to this one I realize. I think Big Red50 probably has the best solution to my problems and that is to "get back on the horse and go find another piece of pussy". LOL

[Litedave]

What an incredible and needed thread. Thank you TwistedBrother for starting this thread 2 and a half years ago on 9/17/07.

Like some, I just stumbled on here and this subject is quite near and dear to me.
I just wanted to say hi and stand by for my tale of woes.

[Guapo Marx]

All you guys have shared stories that bits and pieces sound just like what I am going through.

I am not going to fall in love with that girl.

Thanks for sharing.

I feel better now.