"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Glad to hear you about your success. As a cautionary note, you may be at a point in your career where you don't feel the need to advance further, but a professional headshot makes it much easier for a jilted baby to track you down. Especially if you're using it, or one similar to it, on your linked in profile.

While you may be in a profession that doesn't care about whether you play in the bowl, I doubt any employer wants to have their workplace disrupted with jilted babies showing up angry in the middle of the work day. Also, while your career aspirations may not be affected now, your aspirations may change in the future. IMHO, getting random babies to the FC is much easier than rebuilding a career or trying to fix ones professional reputation (unless you're a career politician).

I am sure you already considered all this, but as a cautionary tale to other younger brothers, I wanted to provide food for thought. It also probably helps that based on your prior posts, you seem to be willing to provide an allowance that is five to ten times the norm in the mid-atlantic (please correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember you mentioning that you had pulled out wars of hundred dollar bills to cover an allowance). Nothing wrong with that, but again, it may be that much of your success may also be tied to your generosity on top of adding the professional headshot).

Hey! Really appreciate your perspective here and you're right in my career path I'll definitely need to be more cautious. I initially thought I made the photo private on the upload. I started noticing more views and inbox messages. That's when I decided to keep it up. I'm likely going to remove it at this point. I have enough POTs now than I have time for.

As far as the high payment. I went overboard. I charged it to The Bowl lessons. I really liked that spinner, she was my first SB and is still around. It's becoming more of a GFE. I also would like to add that I've been to the FC most times with $0 and just dinner. I rationalize that it makes up for some of the screwups I made just starting out. Screw ups like booking a hotel and getting stood up.

[HollywoodGuy]

3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.

We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.

[FyrGuy33]

Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.

I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.

[FyrGuy33]

Met with POT#3, 26 y/o 10/9/?/? for breakfast this morning. Things progressed and we were hitting it off quite well. After deciding we were comfortable and attracted to each other, we started to discuss sugar. Well, that could have gone better, but it wasn't a total disaster. This is a typical classy young lady out of college a few years. Works free lance as a para legal but does not always have steady work, hence she has turned to SA as suggested by a friend who has had some success there. Anyway, I make an initial offer of $200 as I figured that $150 would not fly with her and would make me look cheap. She says she was really looking for $400. I told her that was just too far out of my budget. She then counters with $250. I think for a minute and then agree to it. Now, it is still a bit out of my comfortable zone. But this girl was so amazingly hot that I decided I would spring for it just to take the test ride. I also reasoned that I have had SB's in the past that I have given $200 to, then paid another $45 for the SS. So with her hosting, this really wasn't a bad deal.

We leave the diner and go back to her place. A nice 1 bedroom apartment in a garden apartment complex. Thankfully, she is a neat freak. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been to far too many of their homes that are basically dumps because they can't put anything away or clean. This was the opposite. We started with some lfk that quickly turns into dfk. I could tell just from how that went I was probably in for a treat today. And boy was I right. This girl is a sexual animal with probably the best body I have seen in the last 10 years. She is heavily into tats, which you can't tell by the way she dresses on the street.

Now we are naked and on her bed. I go down for some very sweet and responsive DATY. She is in heaven. She tells me the same thing I hear from many young girls. Guys her age have no clue how to eat pussy. So for you young guys, master that and you will have these girls doing whatever you want them to. After she orgasms twice, she tells me it's my turn. Holy fuck, can this girl suck cock. I blow load #1 right down her throat, which she gleefully swallows.

We talk a bit about things while I recharge, and then she goes down on Daddy's cock again. I could have just let her do that all day, but I needed to get into that sweet pussy of hers. You can see how much she enjoys giving head, but I need to get to the next step. She throws on the cover and hops on. Very tight and had to slowly work it all the way in, gasping a few times. Now I'm no Johnny Holmes, just a bit larger and thicker than normal, so that shows how tight this girl is. She slowly works into a really good rhythm. After what seemed like a very long time, I'm ready to deliver load #2, so she hops off and again it's delivered in her mouth.

I thought we would be done but after a bit of recharge time, down she goes again. She sucked it like a champ again and when I was ready, we went doggy this time. What a view. I'm also learning she is a bit submissive and likes it a little rough. I was just "testing" some things out today and got some very good responses to some rough play. Each time I will push the envelope a little more to see how far she will go.

3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.

I may have to cut back on my other SB's I have to be able to see this one on a regular basis. Yeah, sometimes SA does work out.

On another note, the Ebony MILF has gone silent on me. Guess she wasn't impressed with me, LOL.

[FredMoore]

Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As far as sexual orientation is concerned.

Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.

Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as far as sexual orientation is concerned. And chicks with dicks isn't my thing.

http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleE...duate/14998734

This one recently contacted me and and agreed to my $. "she" has a profile on SA. I am over 90% sure of her gender at birth. And not desperate enough to even ask. The only girl I did ask turned out to be a bio-girl. Kind of embarrassing except we did end up in the FC

[FredMoore]

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.

[DirtyDeeds38]

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

I agree, things like Sexual prowess (girls these days feed off that) kinkiness level (every one I've met thus far had some level of desire to be kinky) cock size, stamina, etc. I guess all this could be grouped into another category, but the general thought process with most of these girls, is if they are going to fuck us, they might as well enjoy it themselves. Of my 12 or so SB, each one has been into rough dominate sex on some level and enjoy a deep hard pounding by a guy who can give it to her good. Etc. I think the "soft" sensual type women generally are not wired for the bowl in the first place.

[HollywoodGuy]

OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scaleMARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

[FredMoore]

You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scaleMARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.

[DirtyDeeds38]

You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

I'll tell you what, being in the bowl, has really a kind of bitter sweet aura about it. It makes me cling to time and really want it to stop moving. Why? Because having young beautiful pussy almost on demand is so incredible, it makes you savor any bit of youth you have left. It makes you rethink every single angle you took in the past for, "it's all about the nookie" we gents all have inside us. You realize at some point down the road, it will end. Age, failing health, can't get wood anymore, loss of income, or so on. I think that is something most men just naturally accepted as they entered their 40's and definitely by their 50's, but not anymore. So you get this revised and continuing sense of still being in the game, in the hunt and this disallows the normal mental progression to happen.

I do not know what the prime age range might be for being in the bowl. I think it's a case by case thing and each girl views an older man a little differently. Some really want and desire it and even need it, some, it turns their stomach, for most, they are in that, "yes you are old enough to be my dad, but go ahead and see if you can win me over, I'm curious" state. If I had to pick, I would say being in your 30's is too young, 40's pushing it, 45-55 is probably the prime age most of these girls might target. Also how you carry yourself and connect. Some want a true "daddy" role and you to act overly distinguished and mature. Others prefer you to act at their level and relate like some free spirited boyfriend who just happens to be older. I can play both roles. And believe me, I can adapt and role play to their needs very well. It's part of the game.

[HollywoodGuy]

So. I finally have a good story to tell. I went on an M&G with a 19 year old AA girl about 5'5" and 105-110 lbs. A real spinner. I had to pick her up from her moms house, so I parked a block away and she walked down to the car. I could see that hot spinner body coming towards me in those skin tight jeans and I was like OMG.

As soon as she got in the car we went straight to a quiet spot where we immediately started making out and my hand went straight for her pussy OTC. That lasted a few minutes until I had her take her jeans off and started what turned out to be an hour long session of amazing kissing and wild fingering. I say wild only because about half way through I finally dropped my drawers and got one of the best BJ's I have had in a while. I could have cum in minutes if I wanted to.

Instead I held back as she leaned over from the passenger seat to DT me over and over. Since her pants were already down I started fingering her from behind with my right hand as I had easy access. Prior to that she was clamping down on my two finger action so hard I thought my fingers were going to get crushed. But now she was so hot I managed to vigorously finger her with my pinky, ring and middle finger all in her pussy and my index finger deep in her ass. Have lube will travel. I didn't really need it but applied more than a few drops to step things up a bit. She had to be home at a certain time so I told her to let me CIMWS to finish up, which she happily did. It was so hot. Lots of daddy talk and role play right from the get go.

She has a respectable job in her field of choice and backs that up as a sophomore at a decent school studying for a professional degree in the same field. She is a keeper for sure. I could have easily just dropped her off and paid her on the first "real" date in the FC. But I was so happy I slipped her the $ anyway. Her reply was "wow, I can't believe I am getting paid to just have a good time". I wanted her experience to be 100% memorable. And it was for both of us. She said she had never been fingered in her ass before and loved it. At one point I had two fingers in there just to see if there was any future potential for anal. I told her I couldn't wait to fuck her in the ass on our next date.

Earlier in the evening I had the 18 year old white rocker chick whose pic I posted a couple days ago saying she wanted to surprise me by going straight to the FC on our first date, which she was saying could be right then, but then she asked for $$$ for the privilege which I declined. So that confirmed my selection of the AA spinner for last nites first date.

But I was periodically txting her throughout the nite and explaining why it had to be for a $. So once I zipped up and took home my new spinner I txted her again and said I could come by just to meet if she wanted. She agreed and only lived about 5 minutes away from girl #1. I wasnt really worried about her smelling the other girl on me as she wore no perfume and there was no pussy smell in the car. I had to get her from her parents so I just parked down the street and waited. Up walks this 8 quality 18 year old pretty white girl in a black mini skirt. A bit larger than my ideal at about 5'7" and 125. She hops in and we just drive around the corner and park in her very clean suburban neighborhood. It was already 11 pm so it was dead quiet.

We immediately started to makeout and my hand went straight under her skirt. I just moved her panties aside and started to finger her. She wanted things a little gentler than girl 1 so I backed off a bit, lifted her skirt up to her waist, had her spread her legs for daddy and then lowered her tank top sans bra so I could suck her see cup titties. I then went back to fingering her to two O's and then we stopped and talked for a bit. She said she was a one of a kind girl. I asked her why and she said she was a recent graduate with a 4. 9 GPA and was going to Harvard in the fall.

There was no reason to have her try to get me off as I was more than satisfied by girl 1. She then asked me how it worked. I told her as soon as we had sex I would start paying her the $ a date. She said that whatever I gave her was fine and that she was just bored and wanting an older guy to hang out with. So I gave her a kiss goodbye and told her maybe she could come over tonite.

Girl #1 was a 7/9/10/10 and girl two was an 8/8/9/7. Girl one was totally hot and sexy but girl 2 was a more beautiful white girl that most guys would rather have, even if her skills were less. I did go down on both of them just to get a better idea of what they were like. OTC the white girl was a hot looking hipsterish chick. But UTC the more average looking black girl had the better tasting, more suckable, wetter pussy and ass, hard erect eraser head nipples and was an awesome kisser with great head game. I know I am going to have a new SB with the AA girl. The white girl would have to really step up her skills to hit that level. I may see her tonite anyway. For sure I will being seeing the AA girl by the weekend. After 5 months my ATF is finally going to get a run for her money.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Attractiveness in the sugar bowl is based on the following factors: (you might differ with the order).

1) allowance offered.

2) appearance.

3) age.

4) personality

And I agree about age. I would never date anyone IRL older than 30 if I were single.

You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

[FredMoore]

Brethren,

I've been in the bowl for only a few months. I'm late 30's. It dawned on me today that I'll probably never date my age again. The young girls are pulling out all the stops in the FC nowadays. In my 20's I was not getting this level of sex or oral. I have no idea how or why, but these 20 year old spinners are the absolute truth.

My one SB that I lost and came back is more sexual than ever and I have two 10/10 spinners for M&G this week and both seem like the FC is on the table after the preliminary M&G. My inbox has been flooded lately. I'm not sure if it's something with this time of the college year or if it's just the mid-Atlantic area.

I'm definitely getting more interest since I used a professional headshot on my profile. I know I compromise discretion, but if you calculate the level of p $$why per volume I don't give two f-ks.

Attractiveness in the sugar bowl is based on the following factors: (you might differ with the order).

1) allowance offered.

2) appearance.

3) age.

4) personality.

Here's an example. I went to Tampa for a strip club binge for a few days with a studly business associate 35 yrs younger. Except for age I would say he and I are of equal attractiveness (#1,2,and 4). I might as well have been invisible. The girls were circling the chair in which ruled. I found it understandable but mildly annoying.

My point being, a young SD only 10 yrs older than the target audience will always prevail over us older gents. And someone throwing out Benjamins will rule over age. If you do both you are unstoppable.

So us older SDs who are on a tight budget, even if we are dashing (think Robert Redford) have to have more game.

And I agree about age. I would never date anyone IRL older than 30 if I were single.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Glad to hear you about your success. As a cautionary note, you may be at a point in your career where you don't feel the need to advance further, but a professional headshot makes it much easier for a jilted baby to track you down. Especially if you're using it, or one similar to it, on your linked in profile.

While you may be in a profession that doesn't care about whether you play in the bowl, I doubt any employer wants to have their workplace disrupted with jilted babies showing up angry in the middle of the work day. Also, while your career aspirations may not be affected now, your aspirations may change in the future. IMHO, getting random babies to the FC is much easier than rebuilding a career or trying to fix ones professional reputation (unless you're a career politician).

I am sure you already considered all this, but as a cautionary tale to other younger brothers, I wanted to provide food for thought. It also probably helps that based on your prior posts, you seem to be willing to provide an allowance that is five to ten times the norm in the mid-atlantic (please correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember you mentioning that you had pulled out wars of hundred dollar bills to cover an allowance). Nothing wrong with that, but again, it may be that much of your success may also be tied to your generosity on top of adding the professional headshot).

Brethren,

I've been in the bowl for only a few months. I'm late 30's. It dawned on me today that I'll probably never date my age again. The young girls are pulling out all the stops in the FC nowadays. In my 20's I was not getting this level of sex or oral. I have no idea how or why, but these 20 year old spinners are the absolute truth.

My one SB that I lost and came back is more sexual than ever and I have two 10/10 spinners for M&G this week and both seem like the FC is on the table after the preliminary M&G. My inbox has been flooded lately. I'm not sure if it's something with this time of the college year or if it's just the mid-Atlantic area.

I'm definitely getting more interest since I used a professional headshot on my profile. I know I compromise discretion, but if you calculate the level of p $$why per volume I don't give two f-ks.