"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Zcochran00]

You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.

Some useful points. Thanks.

Yeah, the car date thing just never even occurred to me. Never done anything like that before. Part of me is turned on by the idea, part of me finds it kinda sleazy, and the rest of me is busy trying to figure out the mechanics of physical arrangements in a compact car.

I do understand the arguments for no sugar without physical contact. In this case, though, I don't regret my decision. It was my mistake that meant we couldn't get a room, she was entirely ready to do stuff with me, and it was my choice to give her something rather than her asking for an advance. Worst case, I'm out 80. Oh well.

In the meantime, today and tomorrow are looking decidedly interesting. Will report on things later.

[Bowtie]

I was chatting regularly with a nice 19 yo back in January, talked and emailed for a week or two. Very good communication and seemed promising. The day of the m&g, she backs out with very little communication afterwards other than famly stuff. That is till two wks ago, she hits me up in desperation. I didn't have time for dinner, drinks, fc as usual however being a caring gentleman, I told her I could help her out if she was comfortable with some alone time after we met. Met at a store parking lot, she got in my car, we talked a bit there, I asked if comfy to go for drive. Went to another public place, just more quiet and talked some more. She remembered the 3 keys to a good relationship discussion from Jan., I was impressed (THANKS HWG! Moved to a very quiet spot for some alone time. Unwrapped a very nice package, she let me know she couldn't catch but with some gentle talking and warning, she did a very nice job. We both left happy. Next trip to the fc for some more exploration. Love a baby that wants to please. They help us, we help them, isn't that how its supposed to work?

You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.

[Member #5144]

A couple of months back, I messaged THE BARONESS near Richmond, whose photos bore a striking resemblance to Luscious Leah, from Avenue X and Date Check. She quoted me some outrageous price to come to me (about and hour away) and I said no thanks.

She messages me today completely out of the blue, forgetting we ever discussed this.

Me.

We emailed off-line, about you coming to me since I don't travel to Richmond.

1 hour ago The Baroness.

I told you I can if you cover expenses and allowance.

Yes which is well beyond my means. I had a mind altering overnight experience last week in Philadelphia for the grand sum of $500 that would be perfectly happy doing that on a monthly basis. Don't really see the point in doubling my expense for a similar experience.

56 minutes ago The Baroness.

I can do that if you come here.

I can't come to you even for a few hours, let alone an overnight. As much as I would love to, it just doesn't fit into my life.

51 minutes ago The Baroness.

Well for 500 plus rental car and you take care of the hotel. Something nice like Keswick (FYI 5 star resort for those who don't know) and only for a short period during the day.

Again as I said $500 gets me overnight already with a total freak. Why would I do a short stay and shell out $300 for Keswick and shell out a rental car?

17 minutes ago The Baroness.

Ok good luck then. Have fun. I was already discounting for you. You get what you pay for. Everyone finds their level.

Then the ***** blocks me!

[IluvSmellyFish]

You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.

Posted earlier about POT #1, with some concerns (and also an inability to properly type on my phone):

So, again following up on my own post: did meet up with her tonight. The good news is that my concerns were unfounded. She is definitely genuine. The bad news is that due to my own stupidity, we did NOT actually get to the FC.

We'd originally agreed via messages to meet at 9. When I asked if she had a place to meet, she suggested a particular hotel, and I agreed. Later, after my second thoughts, I suggested we meet for coffee nearby first. When she replied, she said she'd gotten a room at a different hotel right there. So far, so good. Before I left, I took to heart some security advice I'd recently been given, and emptied out most of my wallet. Including my I'd. This would prove to be an issue.

Got to the coffee shop and sat down to wait. The place was empty. About 9:15, I got a call from the hotel, and she said she'd be over in a couple minutes.

Sure enough, she showed up a few minutes later. We started talking, and I quickly determined she was as advertised. Smaller-town girl, somewhat plain, just looking for help with the bills.

I suggested we head back to her room, and here's where things started to go off the rails a bit. Apparently she and a friend had gotten the room together, she had expected the friend to be gone for a while, but the friend was back in the room. So, no go there. I pulled out my phone and did some quick searching in the area, but options were noticeably pricier than when I'd looked earlier. She said she knew some other hotels in the area that might be cheaper, so we headed out to my car.

She directed me through a town she was obviously very familiar with, and we eventually got to a small non-chain hotel. I walked up to the office. And they had no vacancies. Strike #1.

Second try: she knew another small hotel just down the road. Got there, and again, no vacancies. Weird. Strike #2.

Third try: we went to a third fairly small hotel there in town. I walked up to the office and asked about vacancies. This time the guy said they did have some rooms. I pulled out my wallet. And realized I didn't have my I'd. Oops. Strike #3, I'm out.

Went back to the car and told her about the issue, and told her I'd just have to drop her back off and we'd try again another night. She told me she was really hoping to do something tonight, as she had an electric bill due soon. Since it was my fault that we couldn't get a room, I told her I'd go ahead and give her something to help cover that.

So, we drove back to the place where we'd met, and I gave her 80 to help cover her bill. We'll try again soon, and next time I'll make sure the room is taken care of beforehand (and also make sure I actually have my I'd).

Meanwhile, doing some messaging with POT #2. Been using HWG's 5 Steps as a starting point. After asking about her expectations, she replied:

I saw that and of course immediately thought "Oh, that's not a good start". But then, just a few minutes later, she followed up with:

Haven't gotten back to her yet, but at least she may be open to something lower.

So yeah, the sugar journey has begun. POT #1's probably only a 5 or so, but at least she's an option for me until I can add a few more to the list.

[Mike7794]

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[Zcochran00]

Out of curiosity: how do you guys define when someone becomes a "POT" and when someone officially becomes an "SB"? Initial messages, agreement to meet, first M&G, first FC visit, second FC visit?

[Zcochran00]

Like a few others here I'm from SW OH. LEO is making a big push in this area to root out escorts, SWs and mongers leading up to the All Star game being played in Cinci this July.

I've now turned three MILF POTS into active SBs in about a month. More than enough to keep me from mongering anytime soon.

Thanks to all on this thread for your guidance.

Stay safe.

Yeah, that's an excellent point. Looks like it's a great time to be switching sides of the hobby.

[JoeBogus]

Like a few others here I'm from SW OH. LEO is making a big push in this area to root out escorts, SWs and mongers leading up to the All Star game being played in Cinci this July.

I've now turned three MILF POTS into active SBs in about a month. More than enough to keep me from mongering anytime soon.

Thanks to all on this thread for your guidance.

Stay safe.

[Zcochran00]

Posted earlier about POT #1, with some concerns (and also an inability to properly type on my phone):

The lack of contact info, the existing hotel location, and the repeated uses of "babe" make me think she's a pro instead of an SB. Any thoughts or suggestions a.

So, again following up on my own post: did meet up with her tonight. The good news is that my concerns were unfounded. She is definitely genuine. The bad news is that due to my own stupidity, we did NOT actually get to the FC.

We'd originally agreed via messages to meet at 9. When I asked if she had a place to meet, she suggested a particular hotel, and I agreed. Later, after my second thoughts, I suggested we meet for coffee nearby first. When she replied, she said she'd gotten a room at a different hotel right there. So far, so good. Before I left, I took to heart some security advice I'd recently been given, and emptied out most of my wallet. Including my I'd. This would prove to be an issue.

Got to the coffee shop and sat down to wait. The place was empty. About 9:15, I got a call from the hotel, and she said she'd be over in a couple minutes.

Sure enough, she showed up a few minutes later. We started talking, and I quickly determined she was as advertised. Smaller-town girl, somewhat plain, just looking for help with the bills.

I suggested we head back to her room, and here's where things started to go off the rails a bit. Apparently she and a friend had gotten the room together, she had expected the friend to be gone for a while, but the friend was back in the room. So, no go there. I pulled out my phone and did some quick searching in the area, but options were noticeably pricier than when I'd looked earlier. She said she knew some other hotels in the area that might be cheaper, so we headed out to my car.

She directed me through a town she was obviously very familiar with, and we eventually got to a small non-chain hotel. I walked up to the office. And they had no vacancies. Strike #1.

Second try: she knew another small hotel just down the road. Got there, and again, no vacancies. Weird. Strike #2.

Third try: we went to a third fairly small hotel there in town. I walked up to the office and asked about vacancies. This time the guy said they did have some rooms. I pulled out my wallet. And realized I didn't have my I'd. Oops. Strike #3, I'm out.

Went back to the car and told her about the issue, and told her I'd just have to drop her back off and we'd try again another night. She told me she was really hoping to do something tonight, as she had an electric bill due soon. Since it was my fault that we couldn't get a room, I told her I'd go ahead and give her something to help cover that.

So, we drove back to the place where we'd met, and I gave her 80 to help cover her bill. We'll try again soon, and next time I'll make sure the room is taken care of beforehand (and also make sure I actually have my I'd).

Meanwhile, doing some messaging with POT #2. Been using HWG's 5 Steps as a starting point. After asking about her expectations, she replied:

It depends on how long you want to hang out....probably $400 a week or each time we date until we are established...

I saw that and of course immediately thought "Oh, that's not a good start". But then, just a few minutes later, she followed up with:

Is that a bad answer?

Haven't gotten back to her yet, but at least she may be open to something lower.

So yeah, the sugar journey has begun. POT #1's probably only a 5 or so, but at least she's an option for me until I can add a few more to the list.

[First Half]

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[VeryBigBuck]

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[CaneBay]

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Fellow bowlers,

Not sure where else to ask, so I will ask you guys.

I finally decided to get some Viagra to deal with the horny 23-year old SB.

I went to CVS today.

My cardiologist ordered 8 Viagra pills, 25 mg dose. Total cost $329 !

8 for $329 ?
One 25 mg Viagra for $41.00 ?

And I know 25 mg doesn't do anything for me I asked for 100 mg and he sent for 25 mg.

I thought it was more like $15/20 depending on the dosage.

How much are you guys paying for a 100 Mg or 50 mg Viagra?

Also, does anyone have a recommendation to get it cheaper from Canada?

Let me know, I could use some help here, she gets so god damn horny. But I am not paying $40 for a 25 mg that dos nothing for me.

[Zcochran00]

Had a girl contact. We've been messaging a bit and agreed to meet tonight, but I'm seeing a few concerning signs and would appreciate advice.

A few message snippets:

if you haven't found anyone yet I think were looking for the same kind of arrangement from reading your profile something low key

I don't have an email babe but I would just like to meet at occasions privately and you just give me some money then

Ok when would be a good time to meet my phones out of mins right now I need to get more

Ok yea that would work wanna just plan meet at the HOTELNAME at 9

And trust me babe I look even better in person you'll see tonight

Ok babe sounds good

The lack of contact info, the existing hotel location, and the repeated uses of "babe" make me think she's a pro instead of an SB. Any thoughts or suggestions a.

[FredMoore]

Fellow bowlers,.

I finally decided to get some Viagra to deal with the horny 23-year old SB.
My cardiologist ordered 8 Viagra pills, 25 mg dose. Total cost $329 !

Let me know, I could use some help here, she gets so god damn horny. But I am not paying $40 for a 25 mg that dos nothing for me.

It's absurd -insurance (lack of) is abusive. I bet the execs don't pay $50 / dose. Your cardiologist doesn't understand Viagra. Ask for 100 mg and cut it in half, but it is still high. You can get generic sildenofil 20 mg and it is $20/30 pills, but you need a scrip for it. If you take 4 or 5 pills it still costs $4. 00 / pop.

Bacatas13 "it's always some lame ass excuse about why she can't play, why she can't meet, or if she says she'll meet she won't show!" This is classic Nando behavior. I've fallen for it before. Do not give $1. 00 more and leave her ass. If you have to hit it again tell her to put out 1st and you will gift her after. She's acting like a crooked escort, so treat her like one.

Stinky pussy: is usually Bacterial vaginosis -very common due to a PH imbalance. It can be treated but frequently comes back. Most girls wash adequately, but this smell won't wash off.

Worn out pussy: is truly a worn out relationship. If you love the girl you will overlook almost anything to get into her. When the love is gone, fugeddaboutit.

[Mike7794]

FTP:

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http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...088&viewfull=1#post2421088.

Cheers!

Thresh.

I'm not following your post number. The forum has three digits for post numbers. You have seven digits.