"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.

Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.

Well for now we agreed that I can have some fun, but no fucking. I also do not have to pay her anymore except for food. So that's maybe .2 a day. She eats almost nothing. And I can also fuck anyone I want and she will leave the house for me to be able to do that.

I told her I would (and I will) wear a condom for the next 10 days in case she changes her mind about the fucking. So I have given her permission to stay here for 10 days. I need to court this girl if that's even possible. But due to being on the hunt and not having anything too regular right now (even my ATF is at once a week lately) I am happy she is here.

She does have me convinced that she is from a middle class family (her dad is a lawyer). And he is sending her money to stay out here for the summer. Maybe longer. I told her I am open to a real relationship if she is. Meaning if she steps up, she can stay here indefinitely. So 10 days and counting. I really don't think it's going to work, but she is a lot of fun to be around in every other way. But pussy always has to come first. Since I have never attempted anything close to this, it's a calculated risk. But my gut tells me after the 10 days it will be over.

Obviously she has some kind of cover story. I am sure her parents would be less than happy if they knew what was really going on with their little angel on her summer vaca.

[FTP1999]

So how did you find her ads?

Just curious, maybe you know a way I don't?

..she replied back, "Oh ok but how did you find that as all I get is nothing like that when I look up my phone number". After I told her how to search for her ads, she said thanks and call me if I change my mind.

I don't have anything against escorts as I've used them before but I prefer to know upfront. Just started meeting another college student who is probably utr but at least we did a m&g and a couple of dinners before hitting the fc.

[First Half]

I guess online sales of what would be the salient question. Sometimes a simple media trend can cause a run on anything. Just a couple of weeks ago, anyone selling confederate flags was pretty much an overnight success as folks started stockpiling them. The economy overall is in good shape though. Folks can say what they want about Obama but I'll take this over the Bush era anyday.

Ditto! I've made way more money with Obama in charge that I ever did with Bush.

[EasyGoingJ]

For the most part these are wonderful ladies who bring us much joy, and they should be appreciated, respected, and looked out for.

If they are in an area not served by PP, there are also free clinics in many cities (esp. Those with a Med School) as well as most every town having a local health department where a wide range of services are free. I think there are 20 health clinics for every PP here in Va, so they might be helpful in a rural area not served by PP.

Let's all keep each other healthy and safe! J.

[JZLizard]

Your joking, right?

No, I wasn't joking. And, I didn't mean for my own benefit. In my line of work I can make money simply by shifting my focus to whatever industry is benefitting from current policy. In terms of my own income or tax situation it really matters little whether Bush or Obama is in office. I was referring to the economy overall and what it means to most people.

A lot of people express a political preference based on how their own personal situation is affected. My preferences are not shaped by such a narrow focus. There is fact and there is opinion. Our economy is in better shape, that much cannot be denied.

Even still that's getting pretty off topic. What might be an interesting topic is to discuss how the economy affects SB activity. I've always heard that the "pro" market gets better in tough economic times (makes sense to me). Is the same true for SBs? When unemployment is down, are they less likely to seek additional funding sources? I'm guessing their behavior is fairly inelastic, because it is fueled more by the desire for nice things and the lower income that naturally comes with youth (regardless of the state of the economy).

[Mike7794]

The virgin is back. Literally in my house. I will decide by tomorrow if she can stay more than one night. Too many new POTS showing an interest. Including a day one signee on SA, latina, cute, 5'2" and small.

Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.

[Mike7794]

An update from my weekend.

The Asian I met went very well. We sat for a few hours talking on a patio at a bar. She is a Phillipino Asian. 9 face, 8 body, 9 intellect. Her Asian features turned many a head, but it was her intellect that turned me on. We met yesterday and set up another meeting for Wednesday that ultimately got moved to today. We hit the FC and it was pretty prime. We spent a few hours in the city first, because we click so well we both enjoy each other's company. Kind of an old soul as she is into collecting vinyl records, 1980 sports cars, and is turned off by social ineptness, and a daddy not being able to distinguish between "your" and "you're" LOL (her words). I don't sense the possessiveness of this Asian as has been discussed earlier in this thread. She might be a keeper.

The 28 year old 5'5" naked 10 body. High drama as she couldn't meet this past Friday as she had car issues of it being repossessed and working on getting it back, then Saturday she went to Tennessee to be with her father that died that day, then Sunday after getting her car back on Friday it broke down in TN. Today she was deathly sick. Normally I would move on, but that little 10 body is worth being patient for. I want to do this one in the worst way. I would give her a score of 10/9/5.

The 21 year old 5'4" I was supposed to meet on Saturday. She is having fear issues of being new to the site, but seems like a really nice young woman. I will also be patient with this one as her little body is another 10 killer for me. I like this one's personality. Kind of a clean girl who needs a daddy to help her break through the barrier. I would give her a score of 10/9. I can't give the last score because I haven't talked to her enough to have a score in that area. She has been silent since Saturday.

That left me with a zero for Friday night with the 28 yo, and not being able to hook up with her for Saturday and the 21 yo on Friday, so I set up a FC with my regular senior to be university student for Saturday. At the same time I set up a new appointment with a 31 year old 5'2" slim POT (pic below) I started talking to for Sunday in case the Asian flaked on me. She didn't and I then had two M& G that day. The 31 year old turned out to look much better than her pictures and more petite than her picture looked. Connected well over dinner and talked for maybe three hours. We set up a FC session for tomorrow.

I'm still working on that 28 yo. Tomorrow's out since I'm seeing the 31 yo and I have too much going on at work during the day with meetings to attend, so I'm hoping to see her on Wednesday. If I get that 28 yo in the sack she is going to pay from daddy for putting daddy off for so long.

An update from my update this past Monday.

I'm contemplating whether to keep the Asian. Maybe yes maybe no due to others I'm waiting to rate, but for the sake of discussion she's on my keeper list.

The 28 year old. We are supposed to spend this coming weekend together. I want to turn her inside out. Her personality arouses the heck out of me.

The 21 year old is still silent, so I sent her a text of understanding her feelings and am open to talk when she is ready. That little body is worth it, plus I like her personality.

The 31 year old. I was with her last night and we hit the FC. She performs well. A petite spinner that I like. Takes care of herself and looks better in person than her pics. I told her she needed to use a different camera, as her pics make her look more thick then she really is. I'm keeping her for now. She like to talk politics, which can be up my alley if I let it. She likes it so we debate pretty well. On a side note she has potential of being a wacko. I can only see this because of my years of seasoning and reading people, but if things are kept on the down low I'll be happy doing her.

On another side note. The Masters Asian student I saw months ago when I first played in the bowl I contacted her. I cut off contact several months ago when discovering this thread I found I was overpaying LOL. So I didn't think she would go for it, so I didn't even broach the subject. I decided to text her last week. I don't know why, but I thought what the heck I'll see if she'll go for my new $150 rate. She replied happy and missing me. Probably so since I was paying her $400. She replied she couldn't go as low as 150, but would for $300. I told her I'd think about it. I texted her back today and told her that thanks, but I'll pass and wish her well. She text back saying she would go down to $200 if I came down today (a 1 1/2 hour drive). Now she is coming close to my wheel house, but I told her that as much as that was tempting I couldn't because I had too much work in the office at the time. She then replied then "come soon" and went on to tell me she hasn't seen anyone else. Like I believe that LOL. OR she likes my performance in the FC. She must have had eight to ten orgasms that day. Back then I think she was telling the truth about not having sex for many months. But she is an Asian from China and I do like the Asian spinners, so we'll see. I wouldn't be able to see her till next week anyway due to my schedule and other babies I have lined up right now. Damn I'm having a good time.

I'm really looking at redoing my line up. The Asian Masters student I cut loose months ago. The current senior to be I'm looking to replace. My hope is the 28 year old ends up in my lineup and one other. I'd like to park my dick with just two for a while.

[HollywoodGuy]

The virgin is back. Literally in my house. I will decide by tomorrow if she can stay more than one night. Too many new POTS showing an interest. Including a day one signee on SA, latina, cute, 5'2" and small.

[Mike7794]

I guess online sales of what would be the salient question. Sometimes a simple media trend can cause a run on anything. Just a couple of weeks ago, anyone selling confederate flags was pretty much an overnight success as folks started stockpiling them. The economy overall is in good shape though. Folks can say what they want about Obama but I'll take this over the Bush era anyday.

Your joking, right?

[JZLizard]

I mostly (like 90% of the time), date black women. So my respect for them is high, but my concerns are real.

As yours should be too for any race girl. Read these articles.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...ssrelease.html

http://www.thehelpernewsletter.org/i...lth&Itemid=233

If you have never tested positive for HSV2 (herpes) that's a good thing.

All STD's can be cured except HIV and HSV.

Planned Parenthood tests for everything for free, except HSV2.

Thats an $80 test at a private clinic. Here is a link to find a nearby location.

https://www.stdcheck.com/?pid=903095...FURcfgodT3cJWQ

Be safe and sound.

I once had a fuckbuddy who (after we had stopped fucking) informed me that she had a comprehensive health screening and tested positive for HSV2. She was depressed and confused (because she said she had never had an outbreak). When she told me it had been a while since we fucked and I had no reason to believe I had been infected. I held her in high regard for telling me, she didn't have to. There was a small amount of question in my mind as to whether she might be lying about the result, just as a way to get a reaction out of me and / or punish me for not really having time for ongoing fuck activities. Or maybe she had been tested positive long before meeting me and just now decided to tell me about it? I decided not to overanalyze it and give her the benefit of the doubt that she was being honest and told me as soon as she knew. She was a pretty level headed person so it was the best perspective to take based on what I knew about her personality. I got tested later and came up negative. I don't speak to her any more but I hope she is still free and clear of any outbreaks.

[HollywoodGuy]

I mostly (like 90% of the time), date black women. So my respect for them is high, but my concerns are real.

As yours should be too for any race girl. Read these articles.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...ssrelease.html

http://www.thehelpernewsletter.org/i...lth&Itemid=233

If you have never tested positive for HSV2 (herpes) that's a good thing.

All STD's can be cured except HIV and HSV.

Planned Parenthood tests for everything for free, except HSV2.

Thats an $80 test at a private clinic. Here is a link to find a nearby location.

https://www.stdcheck.com/?pid=903095...FURcfgodT3cJWQ

Be safe and sound.

[Dsprdo]

Technically I could avoid it with condoms but since I hate condoms I'm better off to just be prepared..

For years I did 100% condoms (the result of 18 years of unexpected child support from a one-nighter). Last year I got fixed and it has been wonderful. I am trying to be smart, but I have resolved to take the chances on catching something without. Occasionally I see somone that gives me concern and I'll suit up but mostly no. Intellectually I know the "good girls" are just as likely as anyone else to pass something along but at least I can rationalize a bit. Connecting back to the UTR discussion I have just been messaging with someone that definitely communicates like a pro, I'm probably going to try it out a couple of times, but that will be one that I don my rain suit for. She says she's not a pro, has only had a couple of SD's, is married, and would be willing to go BB after she's "comfortable" with me. Says she has a high sex drive and it's not being quenched at home.

[JZLizard]

Just decided to check on my ATF's FB and what do I see. Her talking about some guy she just broke up with after a 4 month fling. I knew she was seeing someone, as I posted that one day some dude came to her house and saw me there in my undies and literally socked her. These girls all know I work on the internet and so even if their shit is private I am going to find a way to hack it. Yet they continue to post stuff they know I am not going to like, as if I dont see every word and pic they post. They really are not thinking. I could use this as an excuse to drop my ATF today if I wanted to. But she is a real life black barbie fucking machine, so for now I am going to keep seeing her when I can. But the hunt is on.

There's an old saying, if you ask someone how many sex partners they currently have, take a guy's number and divide by 3 and take a girl's number and multiply by 3. For sugar babies there's an extra multiplier of 2-4 depending on a number of factors. Basically if any of them tell you you're the only one they're banging, be extra afraid. At least the semi-honest ones that tell you some of the other shit that's going on can be partially trusted -- rest assured there's more they aren't telling you.

I worry about STDs too. Not so much the effects on myself of getting one as much as being concerned that if I did get one and gave it to the GF, how could I explain that? All of my caution in not getting caught goes out the window due to something I can't even see coming (no pun intended).

Technically I could avoid it with condoms but since I hate condoms I'm better off to just be prepared. The scariest part is looking back at all the unprotected sex I've had, and wondering how on hell I've made it this far without catching something? Luck cannot go on forever, and as we get older our immune system gets less effective at resisting these things. An escort with BBBJCIM is a possible solution and might minimize risk but I'm not into that scene and it doesn't seem like a good plan if STD avoidance is the goal. Some of the UTR type SBs might be agreeable to oral sex only, but I think most of the SB's I've known would be horrified if I told them to just blow me for the sugar.

[HollywoodGuy]

Just decided to check on my ATF's FB and what do I see. Her talking about some guy she just broke up with after a 4 month fling. I knew she was seeing someone, as I posted that one day some dude came to her house and saw me there in my undies and literally socked her. These girls all know I work on the internet and so even if their shit is private I am going to find a way to hack it. Yet they continue to post stuff they know I am not going to like, as if I dont see every word and pic they post. They really are not thinking. I could use this as an excuse to drop my ATF today if I wanted to. But she is a real life black barbie fucking machine, so for now I am going to keep seeing her when I can. But the hunt is on.

It makes me feel a little sad. But hey, they all know I fuck any hot black girl I can get, so I guess I can't expect everything in return. Plus my ATF is a booty call on steroids and she knows that (I have fucked her over 70 times). We don't talk about it a lot, but it's in the air. I guess if you fuck a girl 70 times and have never taken her out even one time, she is gonna get the memo.

My only real concern is catching something I don't want. I had that scare already 3 times in the last year. I started wearing condoms again here and there unless I am feeling really confident. I get tested every 2 months and have never had a positive test for anything in my entire life (just a miracle I guess). But my trust level is going down. I even tell my girls, just tell me if you are fucking other ppl so I can make an informed decision. I mean I am telling them when I do most of the time. No wonder my virgin had a brain blowout.

Shit, a girl I was dating last year got something, but lucky for me she only gave it to (or got it from) her IRL BF and not me. LOL. But I am definitely on a more safe and slower track (no pun intended) than i was before. And props to all the guys and their info/intel. It has really helped me formulate my plans overall.