"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Papa2314]

I'm seeing you're all veterans and knowledgable in the realm of this, can someone inbox me some pointers or leadme in the right direction? I recently signed up and can't get it right!! Please, can someone teach me the ropes? And if you ever come to boston, YOu will definitely have girls to see because I will share their numbers, and can help you find your favorites in Boston. THanks guys!

[JZLizard]

I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.

Take TravelinSD's advice, never meet an "SB" at her place. A quality SB would never invite you to where she lives first. There may be the occasional good experience to be had there, but its not worth the risk. Getting an invite to a house / apt / hotel sight unseen is an indication she is desperate or an escort. Its just mongering, not sugar dating. If that's what you're after you are much safer on the normal BP scene. She would have much more business there, so if she is going out of her way to rent her pussy using SA, it could be she is hoping to stay out of the normal monger radar, which would out her and her scams sooner - most likely hiding something. Schedule the M&G at a public place.

[TravelinSD]

This is why I have a policy whether on the road or home to always meet in public first. I've been tempted several times to break this rule, but I talk the little head down each time. I travel a fair amount and have met some great babies in various cities, but I always take them to lunch, dinner, drinks or coffee first. These girls aren't like providers that you can read reviews of to know you can trust them. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Travelin.

Good Hunting.

I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.

[Al Melrose]

I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.

[PartyTimeGuy]

So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.

I have gotten many SBs from CL and civvy dating sites. It's a lot of work finding what you want, and you have to weed out he spam and the flakes, but it is hard finding good SBs no matter where you look.

[LongLasting]

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[JackCat58]

I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?

Where is your area?

[JackCat58]

I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.

Same here, met, seemed cool, had fun, definitely a good time.

[EvilTmp]

I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?

Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.

[Grafenberg]

Just came here to share couple observations!

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.

There are plenty of simps that will pay these girls just to talk. Look at phone sex, online porn sites that guys pay for even though there's more free porn than galaxies, and those live webcam sites that girls are making a killing on.

[Lebruno]

Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.

[Rvaexec60]

I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.

[JZLizard]

I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?

There have been SDs through here who had good luck on CL. I tried it once about 6 years ago, and placed ads making clear that I was looking for a sugar baby (I'm not sure CL lets you advertise so bluntly these days). I got a variety of interesting responses, but there was a lot of spam (I. E. People who did not read my requirements carefully enough about including a pic with their response, and a "special keyword" in the subject line so I could know they actually read the ad and differentiate from spam). There were a few interesting responses but I think all of them were below my standard looks-wise and not as good as the girls I was already getting dates with and banging without sugar. In retrospect what's odd is that none of them seemed like UTRs or BP girls. This surprised me because I figured CL would attract a lot of escorts or want to be escorts. One was a bank teller fresh out of college, one was a late 20's owner of a yoga studio, etc. None of them had seen a picture of me, they were replying sight unseen.

Around the same time I me a girl on match.com who was very sexual, but she didn't want money -- she really wanted someone who could get her a job or help her career get started. She was one of those spoiled daddy's girls who had somehow ended up with a masters degree without ever having learned any actual skill that would give her a foot in the door to get a job. I was already fucking her (for nothing more than occasional dinner and clubbing) when an actual job opportunity that she would fit opened up under my direction at work. When I knew the position was coming, I sent her the requirements just because I liked the idea of the danger involved in fucking someone reporting to me at work (it's a very bad idea and I don't recommend mixing SBs with professional concerns at all). But the image in my mind of her blowing me under the desk was just too much. So I gave her a small research assignment to see if she would be remotely useful if I hired her. It wasn't long before it became clear that if I hired her, she would not take any initiative or do anything worthwhile at all, she would rely 100% on me to teach her things. Since I was already teaching her the kind of things I wanted to, I just told her we hired someone else. Plus it brought me to my senses about mixing business with pleasure.

So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.

[FarFarAway]

I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?

I think this experience is very specific to your local area. I have a bowl brother in suburban Atlanta who has success there. You also have to be really careful. As I have posted, I am not on SA right now, and the quality of women there is outstanding, but also they can be very expensive. That is why I am on CL. You do have to have a lot of patience w / getting spam and clickbait on CL. You can run an ad, or you can reply to them. Again, as has been posted here and there lately, you can find girls fishing for SDs in a lot of CL areas, like panty sellers, or in the resumes / gigs sections, or in casual encounters. Just be aware of how many of those ads are just looking to get your email or your cell # so that they can send you spam. I always go through some verification through the CL mail system before providing those.

[ILuvForeplay]

Yes she did at one time appear grounded, but if you look at the progression of the pics going from a dress over time to sweats... one starts to see the potential for damage usually caused by drug addiction.

Has anyone encountered this one yet? She seems super grounded but I'm looking for more information. If you've been there, PM me.