"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TopGun9]

The issue is that there is a great deal of variance in game among the SD population (I. E. Skill and experience level of dating, and social interactions with women, everything from obtaining sex to handling all of the other matters that go with it). The bottom line is that once you've acquired a certain level of skill playing the game, financial support becomes "icing on the cake for them" rather than the end game. The idea here is that you can save yourself a great deal of cash by finding ways to make them genuinely interested in you.

If an SD is investing both a lot of cash AND a lot of effort in creating interest in themselves, they are burning the candle of disservice to themselves at both ends. The advice of no cash until after sex is meant to be general guidance for those who are still in the process of developing their game.

In all my sugaring, I've only had a single M&G that didn't land me in the fuck chamber within two hours of the first in-person meeting, and in that isolated case, I found out later that girl was in a very serious relationship with another girl (and as far as I can tell is lesbian, not even bisexual) -- and even then I wasn't even trying to run game on her because I got the wrong vibe from her right away and decided not to pursue. And, I only go for "top shelf" SB 8's and 9's by most people's standards, no pros / semipros / utrs etc. I'm no Brad Pitt, but because of my track record, I can't imagine why I would be willing to invest the time to "wait" for anyone. None of them have asked me to wait, they fucked me because they WANTED to fuck me. When my radar detects a girl that is only interested in how much she's going to make, I either run game to turn the tables and win genuine interest some other way, or if I deem it to be a lost cause, I simply cut bait and move on to the next.

Maybe some guys actually enjoy anticipation, taking the slow approach to the bedroom, or just generally doing things within their existing comfort zone. To them I say keep doing what they're doing.

The guys who insist on paying the girls what they want when they want however, are really missing out in my opinion. One of the things that turns most women on (especially SBs) the most is a dominant male, so when the female is allowed to be in charge of the terms of the relationship (I. E. When to fuck and what she will get in return), it is not effective as a female aphrodisiac (in fact has the opposite effect for most women -- they like the man to be in charge of it all).

Once a man masters the fine art of maintaining just the right balance between commanding respect while simultaneously providing them the sense of adoration and attention they crave, he has unlocked the secret to keeping their panties wet and has entitled himself to a lifetime buffet of top quality pussy at minimal expenditure. With zero waiting in line, nonetheless.

Let me know when your book on sugaring hit the shelves. Love to have a copy of it.

[JZLizard]

I don't fully understand the common advice here to never give a girl any money until you get in their pants. If the thinking is you'll never get in her pants if you give her money for platonic time, that's clearly wrong. If the thinking is that it's a waste of money to pay for platonic time, I think that can be wrong too, because some girls' pants you'll never get into without it. If the girl is hot enough, it's money well-spent. The $475 I spent on platonic dates isn't much against the thousands I've spent on her since and the thousands I expect to in the future. If you have a system that's working for you, great, but don't be afraid to let your line out a little to catch a big fish just because you read on here not to.

The issue is that there is a great deal of variance in game among the SD population (I. E. Skill and experience level of dating, and social interactions with women, everything from obtaining sex to handling all of the other matters that go with it). The bottom line is that once you've acquired a certain level of skill playing the game, financial support becomes "icing on the cake for them" rather than the end game. The idea here is that you can save yourself a great deal of cash by finding ways to make them genuinely interested in you.

If an SD is investing both a lot of cash AND a lot of effort in creating interest in themselves, they are burning the candle of disservice to themselves at both ends. The advice of no cash until after sex is meant to be general guidance for those who are still in the process of developing their game.

In all my sugaring, I've only had a single M&G that didn't land me in the fuck chamber within two hours of the first in-person meeting, and in that isolated case, I found out later that girl was in a very serious relationship with another girl (and as far as I can tell is lesbian, not even bisexual) -- and even then I wasn't even trying to run game on her because I got the wrong vibe from her right away and decided not to pursue. And, I only go for "top shelf" SB 8's and 9's by most people's standards, no pros / semipros / utrs etc. I'm no Brad Pitt, but because of my track record, I can't imagine why I would be willing to invest the time to "wait" for anyone. None of them have asked me to wait, they fucked me because they WANTED to fuck me. When my radar detects a girl that is only interested in how much she's going to make, I either run game to turn the tables and win genuine interest some other way, or if I deem it to be a lost cause, I simply cut bait and move on to the next.

Maybe some guys actually enjoy anticipation, taking the slow approach to the bedroom, or just generally doing things within their existing comfort zone. To them I say keep doing what they're doing.

The guys who insist on paying the girls what they want when they want however, are really missing out in my opinion. One of the things that turns most women on (especially SBs) the most is a dominant male, so when the female is allowed to be in charge of the terms of the relationship (I. E. When to fuck and what she will get in return), it is not effective as a female aphrodisiac (in fact has the opposite effect for most women -- they like the man to be in charge of it all).

Once a man masters the fine art of maintaining just the right balance between commanding respect while simultaneously providing them the sense of adoration and attention they crave, he has unlocked the secret to keeping their panties wet and has entitled himself to a lifetime buffet of top quality pussy at minimal expenditure. With zero waiting in line, nonetheless.

[CoolPix]

Saw this young thing a couple of weeks ago. She's down to play. Not as "small" as her pictures would lead you to believe and she's got a lot of piercings which really aren't my thing. But she offered a nice long, non rushed visit to the FC.

https://www.seeking.com/member/9074f...7-bfacf55ed399

Treat them all well gents.

[Madaboutmax]

I'm glad that it has worked out for you. I know there are many unsure girls that need to be convinced to make the move towards intimacy. They can be some of the best experiences.

Unfortunately, for every girl like that there are 5-10 Girls that have no intention of ever being intimate and will lead guys on as long as they can to extract as much money as they can. Guys that suppport these type of girls just perpetuate the problem.

You must be able to read the girls well to know which type you're dealing with. If you are not good at reading people, an older man can be easily played by some of these girls.

I'm a shallow man. A gorgeous face and flawless body are #1 for me, and I struck gold on SA. Girl has the body of Arianna Grande (pictured) and a face that's a mix of her and Lupe Fuentes (Little Lupe). Flawless golden Spanish skin. The most perfect ass ever. Very generous with her time and very eager to please in bed. Fun to hang out with, too.

It was pretty easy. We talked about meeting for dinner and I offered that I'd bring a small gift for her time. She didn't ask what, but I gave her $75. After that, I told her I'd give her a bigger gift for longer dates. Still no discussion of how much, but I gave her $200 the next time. There was no discussion of sex, but after a couple of longer dates like that, it just happened naturally. From talking to her since about guys on SA she didn't like, I can tell waiting until then to give her any money wouldn't have worked.

I don't fully understand the common advice here to never give a girl any money until you get in their pants. If the thinking is you'll never get in her pants if you give her money for platonic time, that's clearly wrong. If the thinking is that it's a waste of money to pay for platonic time, I think that can be wrong too, because some girls' pants you'll never get into without it. If the girl is hot enough, it's money well-spent. The $475 I spent on platonic dates isn't much against the thousands I've spent on her since and the thousands I expect to in the future.

If you have a system that's working for you, great, but don't be afraid to let your line out a little to catch a big fish just because you read on here not to.

[Travelrr 433]

Guys.

You lead the Nation in the SB discussion, hours of reading enjoyment and very informative.

Does anyone have an opinion on the married SB young or older looking SB scene?

Thanks again,

T. In Southwest Florida.

[EvilTmp]

The general advice is sound and is there for a good reason: if girls start thinking all they have to do to get paid is dine at a restaurant, that's all what SA will become in the near future. It encourages scammers and girls to lead guys on with no intentions what so ever to deliver on the FC. It's fine if some girls are not attracted to older guys, they shouldn't act like they are tho and dangle some promise that's never going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, this is still happening in spades on SA. I just hope it's not all what SA becomes known for.

Glad you found something that works for you and glad you reported your experience on here. I still think there is wisdom in the old ways.

I'm a shallow man. A gorgeous face and flawless body are #1 for me, and I struck gold on SA. Girl has the body of Arianna Grande (pictured) and a face that's a mix of her and Lupe Fuentes (Little Lupe). Flawless golden Spanish skin. The most perfect ass ever. Very generous with her time and very eager to please in bed. Fun to hang out with, too.

I don't fully understand the common advice here to never give a girl any money until you get in their pants. If the thinking is you'll never get in her pants if you give her money for platonic time, that's clearly wrong. If the thinking is that it's a waste of money to pay for platonic time, I think that can be wrong too, because some girls' pants you'll never get into without it. If the girl is hot enough, it's money well-spent. The $475 I spent on platonic dates isn't much against the thousands I've spent on her since and the thousands I expect to in the future.

If you have a system that's working for you, great, but don't be afraid to let your line out a little to catch a big fish just because you read on here not to.

[UKnowWho]

I'm a shallow man. A gorgeous face and flawless body are #1 for me, and I struck gold on SA. Girl has the body of Arianna Grande (pictured) and a face that's a mix of her and Lupe Fuentes (Little Lupe). Flawless golden Spanish skin. The most perfect ass ever. Very generous with her time and very eager to please in bed. Fun to hang out with, too.

It was pretty easy. We talked about meeting for dinner and I offered that I'd bring a small gift for her time. She didn't ask what, but I gave her $75. After that, I told her I'd give her a bigger gift for longer dates. Still no discussion of how much, but I gave her $200 the next time. There was no discussion of sex, but after a couple of longer dates like that, it just happened naturally. From talking to her since about guys on SA she didn't like, I can tell waiting until then to give her any money wouldn't have worked.

I don't fully understand the common advice here to never give a girl any money until you get in their pants. If the thinking is you'll never get in her pants if you give her money for platonic time, that's clearly wrong. If the thinking is that it's a waste of money to pay for platonic time, I think that can be wrong too, because some girls' pants you'll never get into without it. If the girl is hot enough, it's money well-spent. The $475 I spent on platonic dates isn't much against the thousands I've spent on her since and the thousands I expect to in the future.

If you have a system that's working for you, great, but don't be afraid to let your line out a little to catch a big fish just because you read on here not to.

[DrSummer]

Totally agree. The girls who quote 400 or more usually have a list of "don't do's" that comes out once you agree for that GPS price. The experience is going to be more mechanical. Anyway, I avoid the subject of allowance before meet and greet. They may bring it up, but try to talk out of it until meet. Never a good idea to agree on an allowance before meet.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

My Experience in the Sugar World is that the "you get what you pay for" motto definitely does not apply!! In fact it is often the inverse.
of it and see
If a girl thinks I'm lucky to be with her it is almost always a bad experience. If a girl thinks she is lucky to be with me, I've almost always had great experiences.

There is also not a strong correlation with beauty. The most beautiful girls are often natural beauties that don't need to be all done up to be attractive. They are often athletes or into yoga, are down to earth and humble and put off by arrogant and immature men.

One girl I spent two entire days with is a signed model with a top agency, an Instagram star and well known yoga instructor. She has now since married a man twice her age. She was naturally attracted to older men and enjoyed the experience. It was an incredible experience with two days of wild pse type sex and at the fraction of the price of any gps girl.

I've had several girls ask for allowance for the meet and greet so she can "get her nails, hair and makeup done so she can look good for me". My first thought is that if you need to do all that to look good, then what do really look like under the war paint? Lol

I never assume price = value. Just my two cents!

[Madaboutmax]

My Experience in the Sugar World is that the "you get what you pay for" motto definitely does not apply!! In fact it is often the inverse.

If a girl thinks I'm lucky to be with her it is almost always a bad experience. If a girl thinks she is lucky to be with me, I've almost always had great experiences.

There is also not a strong correlation with beauty. The most beautiful girls are often natural beauties that don't need to be all done up to be attractive. They are often athletes or into yoga, are down to earth and humble and put off by arrogant and immature men.

One girl I spent two entire days with is a signed model with a top agency, an Instagram star and well known yoga instructor. She has now since married a man twice her age. She was naturally attracted to older men and enjoyed the experience. It was an incredible experience with two days of wild pse type sex and at the fraction of the price of any gps girl.

I've had several girls ask for allowance for the meet and greet so she can "get her nails, hair and makeup done so she can look good for me". My first thought is that if you need to do all that to look good, then what do really look like under the war paint? Lol

I never assume price = value. Just my two cents!

I got her down to 450 but then she went all whiggy when I asked for pics. And then went silent. Good grief, don't know what's going on this summer but the SBs have lost their minds. They all have GPS right now or have gone UTR.

Happy hunting boys!

[CoolPix]

Yes she wanted 600 per meet.

I told her good luck and all the best.

I got her down to 450 but then she went all whiggy when I asked for pics. And then went silent. Good grief, don't know what's going on this summer but the SBs have lost their minds. They all have GPS right now or have gone UTR.

Happy hunting boys!

[Kwagmire]

I strap up today because I have a SO and worry about the STD that can't be shaken off. As inviting as that young wet cooch looks we truly have no idea how much rod these young women are getting piped down with. I have a vasectomy as well. I don't tell SBs this because I hold it as the ultimate trump card in the event I run into a psycho. Vasectomy was some of the best money ever spent.

Yes indeed. In my case insurance paid every penny of my vasectomy, which was nice since I'd incurred some pretty big expenses with the "oops". Thank god I had the cash; a lot of guys wouldn't have had that kind of dry powder to bring to the table.

I still wear condoms religiously because of STDs, (never had / caught anything, and would prefer to keep it that way) and it's easy to justify by saying "neither one of us wants a surprise baby, right"? I don't mention the vasectomy. The only time she needs to find out about that is if she tries to pin a pregnancy on me.

Wow, Stephen King has nothing on you. That was som scary shit.

Even with all the maneuvering and angst and worry and cost, it's not lost on me that I won the accidental pregnancy / pregnancy trap (because of the Plan B refusal) lottery. I feel a profound sense of luck and gratitude every time I think about those 4 weeks a few years ago. Easily the worst time of my life to date.

Luckiest man alive.

[S2568]

Yes she wanted 600 per meet.

I told her good luck and all the best.

For my fellow mongers, this one is in your area for the next couple of days and is looking for an SD or two, or six. She contacted me first, wants a pretty penny (too rich for my blood), and I suspect a pro. I'd take one for the team but I'm not in RVA right now.

Cheers!

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...1-39a4c888c4d6

[CoolPix]

Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.

Granted, I've only been with three strippers but every single one of them banged me like there was no tomorrow for much less money than I would have expected. But I think it's just the odds. I've been with several SBs who were horrible and many who were fine and more who were great. It's a bit of a crap shoot but that's all part of the fun for me.

[BlueFalcon123]

Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.

Yes sir! That is exactly what happened.

Wondering if potential for FC after 2nd date. Just smooching was all I got on 1st date. Now, for fellas seeking just the companionship of a young beautiful woman, I can see the value. It's the chase that makes it fun. But you're right, for me I am seeking way more. So, I'll report back after exploring a bit more. I'll join SA in the fall when the fall semester back in session.

[EvilTmp]

Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.

Jumped off SA and tried it WYP.

I got to meet two beautiful girls separately. Funny that both turned out to be exotic dancers. Not this town, they travel to out of state to dance.

Anyways, it all seems promising, because I'm thinking the dancers have a sense of what all the guys want, but at the end they are just seeking fun dates, no FC.

Anybody else have a tough tome cracking thru and getting lucky?

I do mention that is what I am seeking, but can never get to a point to negotiate, since it's not even an option. WYP could be a good alternative if expectations can be set beforehand. Also, I do this thru text, I move off The WYP chat asap.