"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[CoolPix]

I am seeking advice / strategy from seasoned SDs here. The target is a unicorn. 30's single mom, absolutely stunning, model quality, classy, lithe body, anatomy that is my ideal. Very simple-minded cosmetologist. Not anything like any other SB I have met off SA. She has a profile several years old, but on and off the site I take it. Reports a 4 year relationship (not arrangement) w / an independently wealthy married older guy. I see this girl as utterly without guile. She's not that experienced sexually, even shy about it.

She does have high $ expectations, but agreed to see me for what I could afford, 1 K / mo. I am supernice to all my SBs, I bought her a gift or two in addition to the sugar. I spent a month+ w / her and FCed once, + many other dates. A few things kept us apart for a while, then messaging just stopped, but she recently got back in touch. I usually interpret a revival of interest as horny and / or broke. It's not just first of month rent, though. Our first time she asked and I agreed to a pricey beach resort hotel room, but ongoing I would like her to host when her kid is with daddy. How do I play this?

So I just ended a "long term" arrangement with a married SB who insisted on a weekly allowance. It's not my gig but there was just something about the woman and we really hit it off. She was just sexy as hell and very safe, if you know what I mean. I know everything about her professionally so I knew she was legit and was willing to try it out to see where it would go. She was into dates and we only visited the FC once as well. But there were lots of other non-FC sessions that made it fun for both of us. I won't go into details but suffice to say, it kept me entertained for those six weeks. But I'm in the bowl because I like to get laid and this wasn't really giving me the amount of FC time that I demand and I couldn't really afford to play with other SBs (although I did) like I wanted to. So I pulled the plug and have written it off as a fun experience and won't look back.

There's just too much fine ass out there for me to tie myself down with one SB for any length of time, especially one that isn't providing the physical activities one desires. I regretted saying goodbye for about 48 hours and then met a new SB in the FC a day later and whaddya know, I don't really miss her all that much any more!

[CoolPix]

Met a MILF on SA back in August. She drove an hour to meet me, fun fuck, reasonable damage. Lots of naked pics along the way from her. Her profile is since gone.

Tried to meet up again in September, but I had to cancel -- both times the night before. Silence for weeks.

Then I get texts "It took some work, but I foudn out who you are and am going to tell your wife bedause you stuck me with a hotel bill" Have no idea of this is true, but not wanting to press my luck. Tried to get her on the phone, she wouldn't answer.

Thought I got her to calm down by paypaling her the $140 she claims she ws out of pocket. No hits on the number she is using or on the email address or name linked to her paypal.

Then she launches into a tirade, long and short is she quit her PT job because she thoguht she would be seeing me a couple of times a month. Blah blah blah. Then "don't ever ccontact me again".

Then today I get "See me today". I don't respond. "Ill be at your office at 1" I don't respond, and its 215 and no sign of her.

Then I get another message from a different 804 # saying "I found your photo online that you are married and you like young SBs and rough sex" # tried calling my google voice but no VM left. No hits on that #, but I know its a Sprint #, same as the nut.

I'm thinking silence is the best approach.

Was the chick's name Nicole? I had a similar situation way back in the spring, and the chick tried to shake me down. IT was a bad weekend but I chose to ignore the ***** and she eventually went away. Be careful out there my friends.

[LongLasting]

He got busted primarily b / c he used a credit card. I am a strictly cash guy. It is inconvenient at times, my main way to generate it is gambling.

The main reason he got busted was because he was a deuschbag. If you can't afford to play right, then get out of the game. He was a boy among men. People like him make it a lot harder for the rest.

[FarFarAway]

Interesting article in today's NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/s...rangement.html

The guy had it coming for not playing the game in an honest and fair fashion and the article skirts around any mention of negative outcomes for him, so who knows if there were any or not. But it just goes to show how easily anonymity can be compromised, even when you think you've got a buttoned up plan with multiple fake names and numbers, as well as very little electronic footprint or paper trail to a hotel room.

Interesting read, even for the SJW NYT.

He got busted primarily b / c he used a credit card. I am a strictly cash guy. It is inconvenient at times, my main way to generate it is gambling.

[F Scott]

I am seeking advice / strategy from seasoned SDs here. The target is a unicorn. 30's single mom, absolutely stunning, model quality, classy, lithe body, anatomy that is my ideal. Very simple-minded cosmetologist. Not anything like any other SB I have met off SA. She has a profile several years old, but on and off the site I take it. Reports a 4 year relationship (not arrangement) w / an independently wealthy married older guy. I see this girl as utterly without guile. She's not that experienced sexually, even shy about it.

She does have high $ expectations, but agreed to see me for what I could afford, 1 K / mo. I am supernice to all my SBs, I bought her a gift or two in addition to the sugar. I spent a month+ w / her and FCed once, + many other dates. A few things kept us apart for a while, then messaging just stopped, but she recently got back in touch. I usually interpret a revival of interest as horny and / or broke. It's not just first of month rent, though. Our first time she asked and I agreed to a pricey beach resort hotel room, but ongoing I would like her to host when her kid is with daddy. How do I play this?

Hey Far,

I think your play is to approach her straightforwardly and openly. It sounds like you have a relationship that borders on Real Life, or its close approximation, and to my mind there's no reason not to behave like it. Tell her you were hurt and disappointed that she went dark on you, and you're glad to reconnect, but things have to be different now. Then lay out your new parameters, whatever they may be.

Her options then are to accept, modify, or disappear again, any of which you have to be prepared for. It's only when we can't accept the downside of any situation that we lose control and power over it. If you can reconcile yourself to the possibility that you won't see her again, and are good with that, then there's nothing she can do that will make you do something you don't want.

Just my opinion, but ou need to let her know that the rules have changed, and if she wants to get back together, this is how it will be. Do it all in a thoughtful and open way, and you may be surprised.

Hope this was helpful. Let us know how it goes!

Scott.

[TomDickNHarry]

Actually, my favorite part of the article is that for 1 k each (at least they thought), they wouldn't even let him have a 2nd round. Which was entirely because they thought they already had the money.

This is why you don't pay upfront. If they insist, you show it to them, put it somewhere but at best, giving it to them upfront only ensures that they will try to get you off as fast as they can and out the door.

I was giving that a read this morning. Interesting how the owner of Seeking puts things for the girls:

If anything, a sugar baby hoping to find a lasting arrangement with a good provider should withhold sex for as long as possible, said the thrice-divorced Mr. Wade, who also runs other dating sites including OpenMinded.com, which promotes so-called ethical cheating. The moment you give sex, you have lost all your power, he said.

Clearly, after all he's done, he still has no idea how to deal with women selling their hoo-hoo.

Here's a link for anyone that might not have access to the NYT (due to paywall, etc.).

A Sugar Date Gone Sour

[RogerOver]

Interesting article in today's NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/s...rangement.html

The guy had it coming for not playing the game in an honest and fair fashion and the article skirts around any mention of negative outcomes for him, so who knows if there were any or not. But it just goes to show how easily anonymity can be compromised, even when you think you've got a buttoned up plan with multiple fake names and numbers, as well as very little electronic footprint or paper trail to a hotel room.

Interesting read, even for the SJW NYT.

I was giving that a read this morning. Interesting how the owner of Seeking puts things for the girls:

If anything, a sugar baby hoping to find a lasting arrangement with a good provider should withhold sex for as long as possible, said the thrice-divorced Mr. Wade, who also runs other dating sites including OpenMinded.com, which promotes so-called ethical cheating. The moment you give sex, you have lost all your power, he said.

Clearly, after all he's done, he still has no idea how to deal with women selling their hoo-hoo.

Here's a link for anyone that might not have access to the NYT (due to paywall, etc.).

A Sugar Date Gone Sour

[Kwagmire]

Interesting article in today's NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/s...rangement.html

The guy had it coming for not playing the game in an honest and fair fashion and the article skirts around any mention of negative outcomes for him, so who knows if there were any or not. But it just goes to show how easily anonymity can be compromised, even when you think you've got a buttoned up plan with multiple fake names and numbers, as well as very little electronic footprint or paper trail to a hotel room.

Interesting read, even for the SJW NYT.

[EvilTmp]

From the OP description, unclear that she would see her behavior as building up FC debt, so it's probably walk.

My take is that this is not a unicorn, merely someone that the OP is viscerally attracted to, and also happens to give off a vibe that makes the time spent together seem very IRL / civvie. But the ratio of platonic to non-platonic dates for a unicorn should be way better than a civvie relationship. The reverse seems to be the case here.

As I've mentioned before, in my current SB I'm taking a more civvie approach, not expecting every date to be a FC event. This is the case because she's has consistently demonstrated a non-SA vibe, and is also someone to whom I have a visceral attraction above and beyond most SB's I've met. At the same time, a 10-1 ratio would not work for me long term, no matter how attractive she was.

Reminds me of a story. This girl I used to know was a former escort and told me that her current boyfriend of almost a year thought she was a virgin or almost virgin when they met. She had literally the semen of 100+ guys pumping in her vein and this guy thought he was her first or second. And I know she was still seeing regulars while she was with this guy. Some people will believe whatever they want to believe....

[Walruscl]

You spent a month with her? Paid $1000 plus gifts and paid for many dates and you went to the FC one time?

So I'm guessing the money total is closer to $2500? For ONE go?

You need to have 5 or 6 GREAT trips to the FC before any more payments happen. Ok, sure maybe pay for drinks ect but she is juicing you hard. At this point it's FC or walk and block her.

From the OP description, unclear that she would see her behavior as building up FC debt, so it's probably walk.

My take is that this is not a unicorn, merely someone that the OP is viscerally attracted to, and also happens to give off a vibe that makes the time spent together seem very IRL / civvie. But the ratio of platonic to non-platonic dates for a unicorn should be way better than a civvie relationship. The reverse seems to be the case here.

As I've mentioned before, in my current SB I'm taking a more civvie approach, not expecting every date to be a FC event. This is the case because she's has consistently demonstrated a non-SA vibe, and is also someone to whom I have a visceral attraction above and beyond most SB's I've met. At the same time, a 10-1 ratio would not work for me long term, no matter how attractive she was.

[BookerTNelson]

Saw on an SA profile today, she mentioned a SD blacklist. Anyone have any info on this? Need to make sure I'm not on it. LOL thanks.

A few pop up with a google search. They're kind of funny to skim through if you have 10-15 minutes LOL.

[Madaboutmax]

Most people need to be aware that this site is visible and searchable by search engines like Google and Bing. If you write a post with their full username it can be found by a simple search.

From a post I made on another board:

I don't underestimate people's, especially the younger generations, use of search engines like Google. I expect many will Google their own username and the username of people they are talking to. *.

I've done the same and found contact information for girls on SA, outside of SA. Many will use the same username in multiple places like Pof, Okcupid, instagram, twitter, gmail, Yahoo, etc. *.

I regularly Google my own username to know if I'm being talked about on any forums or sites. *.

In the past week, I've had SBs in two different cities I've been messaging tell me someone posted pics / messages about them on "an escort website", one specifically referred to USASG.

[FarFarAway]

If she has all the money of the world why does she needs more from some activities very risky? She just needs company and good sex but she put high price for her pussy to just those who can pay the entry price can contact her I think if she likes you might you won't have to pay high money or might be no money all total unicorn

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I don't understand much of this answer, but to clarify, her relationship w / the other guy is over, and she's trying to make ends meet. She is attractive enough to command a lot, I think you'd agree.

[TheMarto1]

If she has all the money of the world why does she needs more from some activities very risky? She just needs company and good sex but she put high price for her pussy to just those who can pay the entry price can contact her I think if she likes you might you won't have to pay high money or might be no money all total unicorn

I am seeking advice / strategy from seasoned SDs here. The target is a unicorn. 30's single mom, absolutely stunning, model quality, classy, lithe body, anatomy that is my ideal. Very simple-minded cosmetologist. Not anything like any other SB I have met off SA. She has a profile several years old, but on and off the site I take it. Reports a 4 year relationship (not arrangement) w / an independently wealthy married older guy. I see this girl as utterly without guile. She's not that experienced sexually, even shy about it.

She does have high $ expectations, but agreed to see me for what I could afford, 1 K / mo. I am supernice to all my SBs, I bought her a gift or two in addition to the sugar. I spent a month+ w / her and FCed once, + many other dates. A few things kept us apart for a while, then messaging just stopped, but she recently got back in touch. I usually interpret a revival of interest as horny and / or broke. It's not just first of month rent, though. Our first time she asked and I agreed to a pricey beach resort hotel room, but ongoing I would like her to host when her kid is with daddy. How do I play this?

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[Ernest Ll]

In the past week, I've had SBs in two different cities I've been messaging tell me someone posted pics / messages about them on "an escort website", one specifically referred to USASG.