"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Zcochran00]

I'm not obsessive about trying to investigate potential SBs, especially since I don't bother with FB much and searching for phone numbers doesn't usually turn up much info. But, any time one happens to actually email me, I do make it a point to search for their address or name just in case. That paid off this evening. A girl had contacted me first, and when I asked for her reasons for being on SA, directed me to her email. One email reply later, she gave me her number.

Her email had a name in the info, so I threw it into Google just to check. That turned up a bunch of mug shots and rap sheet entries, and I confirmed it was her vs her profile pic.

Definitely avoiding _that_ one!

[OliverNP]

I keep a sugar apartment. I find it costs less in the long run as opposed to hotels. Consider that route, too. Nothing is better than being able to keep your personal stuff in one place.

I might recommend regularly change apartments. The reason is, so much info is available with a little Googling, that if you hold the apartment enough and pay utility bills for it, there is a good chance she can eventually learn your identity just by Googling the address and unit #. I'm assuming here, of course, that the reason for the apt in the first place is secrecy.

[OliverNP]

You can always go w / financial setbacks. There's really no way to argue, if the SB offers to FC for free, you might reconsider? Even if that info is shared w / other POTs after you break up, there's no way to know if someone might have bounced back.

I once had a 20 YO coed I saw for 5 months, and it got old. Both scheduling problems and too great familiarity reduced my enthusiasm, and she was more pudgy than the spinner body I like. After I expressed reservations about things, she replied "but how do you see the future of our relationship?" well, let's see, I'm married and you're 20, we have no future (I thought, didn't say). I did eventually, after we'd gone some time w / out seeing each other (over a month), text her and formally say we weren't a 'couple. Anymore. Her only reply - 'if that's what you want'.

I have used the financial setbacks excuse, and in many cases with success, but also in many cases it just backfired because I got everything from "aww, don't worry about money, you've done enough already and I still want to see you" from some of them pledging to get a full time job in they have to to help me through lean times. I can pretty much be sure that this won't happen in the 18-20 year old range but from that age upward, it happens more than I'd like to admit. I know that might sound like a good thing, but whatever reason makes me want to move on as a SB is magnified by a thousand times when I start to imagine her as an uncompensated emotional weight on my back.

The main thing is that all the excuses I can think of, including hard financial times, do not really give me a clean break. It leads to weeks of them still texting me, asking how things are going and general updates etc. So at some point I just have to stop responding, and I don't really like the idea that they are sharing my photo or details with others and labeling me a serial ghoster.

[Truncated]

I refuse to have meet and greets with these girls and at this point I haven't lost a single Sb because of this. I'll meet them in the lobby of the FC just for visual confirmation that we both are the person we sent in the pictures but that's as much of a meet and greet as I'll agree to. One of my issues is timing with the hotels. My availability is best between noon and 3-4 pm and that's right in the middle of check out / check in so it's hard to find a hotel that allows early check in. I've been lucky and not been stood up yet although this past Friday I booked a room and checked in and the Sb went to the wrong hotel so I thought for sure she was flaking and was just making excuses. Luckily she ended up showing up late but we had a great time nonetheless.

Get a relationship with one hotel. You will earn points in their membership club, and also earn early check-in privileges. Hyatt and Hyatt Place let me check in as early as 6 am with no extra charge, assuming there is a room available.

Also, check out the day-rate hotel sites. Many hotels allow check in at 8-9 am, and check out at 4-6 pm for a discounted rate. The day-rate hotel sites list the ones which participate.

I keep a sugar apartment. I find it costs less in the long run as opposed to hotels. Consider that route, too. Nothing is better than being able to keep your personal stuff in one place.

[ItsAHobby45]

I think it is essential to speak to a girl by phone before the M&G. If she won't do that, why would you think she'd get in her car and go to a Starbucks to meet you? That has saved me a lot of grief. And, the phone convo has to go well. After I have had a phone chat w / them and know pretty much they aren't scammers, I share my real pix by text.

I refuse to have meet and greets with these girls and at this point I haven't lost a single Sb because of this. I'll meet them in the lobby of the FC just for visual confirmation that we both are the person we sent in the pictures but that's as much of a meet and greet as I'll agree to. One of my issues is timing with the hotels. My availability is best between noon and 3-4 pm and that's right in the middle of check out / check in so it's hard to find a hotel that allows early check in. I've been lucky and not been stood up yet although this past Friday I booked a room and checked in and the Sb went to the wrong hotel so I thought for sure she was flaking and was just making excuses. Luckily she ended up showing up late but we had a great time nonetheless.

[FarFarAway]

I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.

I think it is essential to speak to a girl by phone before the M&G. If she won't do that, why would you think she'd get in her car and go to a Starbucks to meet you? That has saved me a lot of grief. And, the phone convo has to go well. After I have had a phone chat w / them and know pretty much they aren't scammers, I share my real pix by text.

[DogBert77]

I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.

Really good point on not scheduling too far into the future if you can avoid it. This is one of the hardest parts about the sugar bowl for me. To get the best shot at the best twat you have to be really flexible and get on it when the opportunity presents herself. I have my own business and a lot of family commitments with my kids and other obligations and I have missed out on so much quality pussy because of scheduling it drives same crazy if I think about it. I have a lot of flexibility on my work and spend the time on the computer when it works for me. But meetings are much harder to schedule from my end. I have a limited number of potential time slots per week when I can hook up. Sometimes my choice is either schedule far in advance or don't schedule. So it really pisses me off when they stand me up. Sometimes I have scheduled two and both of them have stood me up.

[BookerTNelson]

Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.

Good breakdown.

Generally, the newer they are to the bowl the better the chance that no discussion about allowance is the route they go. Speaking about money (especially with these acts involved) isn't a comfortable conversation for a woman to have so they will most likely not bring it up. I've gone a month or two before on of my SB's brought it up and her reason was "It was such a good experience without the allowance, I kind of forgot". So that's another tip, make it feel as natural as possible and you may get to skate awhile before it is brought up. (Sidenote: She was looking for experiences with a man that made her feel like a woman and took care of incidentals so there was an allowance / payment it just wasn't cash at the end of the meet).

[BlueEyedMan58]

Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.

I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.

[DogBert77]

That's impressive that you were able to bang them with no $$ discussion. Pretty much every girl I talked to wanted to know upfront how much they are getting paid. Good for you!

Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.

[FarFarAway]

The recent posts on the sharing habits of SBs has me thinking increasingly about the best way to part ways when the time is right. Both the SD and SB typically enter into these arrangements as sort of a shortcut to dating, and a more hassle-free version of traditional dating where hes getting sex and in return providing financial stability (or at least that seems to be the motive of most of the types I've been with).

So. How do you guys do it?

You can always go w / financial setbacks. There's really no way to argue, if the SB offers to FC for free, you might reconsider? Even if that info is shared w / other POTs after you break up, there's no way to know if someone might have bounced back.

I once had a 20 YO coed I saw for 5 months, and it got old. Both scheduling problems and too great familiarity reduced my enthusiasm, and she was more pudgy than the spinner body I like. After I expressed reservations about things, she replied "but how do you see the future of our relationship?" well, let's see, I'm married and you're 20, we have no future (I thought, didn't say). I did eventually, after we'd gone some time w / out seeing each other (over a month), text her and formally say we weren't a 'couple. Anymore. Her only reply - 'if that's what you want'.

[Lost Soul]

That's impressive that you were able to bang them with no $$ discussion. Pretty much every girl I talked to wanted to know upfront how much they are getting paid. Good for you!

I am married with kids and can rarely go on dates at night. This makes it harder to score the type of girls I really like, but not impossible. My goal is to have an experience as much like a date as possible. If the girls are hot, and don't seem professional, I like to take them to lunch, get a bottle of wine if they are old enough to drink. I love flirting and talking with them. Usually, if I have screened them properly, they are ready to go to hotel afterwards. A lot of them will do this without discussing money, at least not in any explicit way. The best experience for me is when I can bang them without any discussion of price or services, then just slip the cash in their purse afterward. It never ceases to amaze me how many of them will do that. With practice, I have gotten a lot better at screening for what I want.

[TechSticles]

Link to that forum?

Sugar Lifestyle Forum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/

[JDavis999]

Link to that forum?

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum

Try here.

[Tidad]

Go back and read this forum. This topic has been talked about time and time again. They have their own forum. They might talk about it at school and in social groups but there's an actual Forum that goes back a long time.

Link to that forum?