"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dash]

I'm lurking and the experience I am relating was in S. Florida where there is much more female talent so it may not apply everywhere so just for what it's worth.

"Baby" #1 acted like she was interested in being something like a girlfriend but we didn't hang around much outside of my condo. She didn't care about wining and dining; she was from a poor family and dated broke guys so didn't have experience eating out often and didn't care. I would give her $100 every time I saw her naked; sometimes she had an emergency like a flat tire ($70) I would pay for it. If I took her shopping it was once at Ross and I spend $24. I was introduced to her socially, she is not on any dating site or Seeking Arrangement. Her coworker had bragged to her about me which piqued her interest. She didn't complain about the $100 just she was always in some financial difficulty; broken or lost iPhone, car needed work, etc. She was still doing some health care training for some kind of certificate. She was a tee totaler who developed a love for champagne which we had before the action. She was 21 when we started.

"UTR"#2 She was introduced to me by a friend who was sometimes a rich dude's sugar baby but I would call both call girls. Mine was much more UTR than our mutual acquaintance. This UTR girl was also very pretty and had a regular day job farther south from my location, maybe Miami. She would come over to my place and we would have mimosas in the am then hit the sheets. She didn't ask me for money and I gave her $100. She was very happy with this amount and would text me often hoping to come back to see me. We would go to a fun Cuban restaurant sometimes after the action.

Chubby "semi baby"#3 Baby #1 had a friend whom I met once or twice; she was 36, Haitian, single mom, very friendly and very chubby. She would talk on the phone to me about her difficulties and I invited her and her son up to splash in our pool on her day off. She cannot compare in looks to the others but she was very easy to be around and not a flake. She always said she wished she could meet a sugar daddy; I told her that it's hard work to do; she would have to work out a lot to maintain her figure, etc. This is probably mean, but I just thought she should realize how gorgeous broke females were all over S. Florida.

She came over on her day off to talk about her 401 K and etc. And we had a glass of lemonade. I got the vibes from her and I pulled down my shorts right there and whipped out my dick and she grabbed it. We hit the bedroom and she was a lot of fun; we would look at porn on my iPad laying next to each other to get warmed up. She was totally cool and I would give her $40 or $50 every time I saw her and she didn't complain.

If my spending ever came up, I would give an excuse that although I had money in investments, I didn't want to spend it down too quickly; I would talk about the taxes which I would pay and how I must be careful not to spend too quickly, I am not yet receiving social security, etc. This explanation was acceptable if the need arose.

Now I am far away from Florida in California and all 3 girls keep in touch with me; baby #1 and semi-baby #3 call me too.

Probably if I had met them on Seeking Arrangement my transactions would have been more expensive and the girls more like hookers; I don't know but I will find out.

Do I actually deep down trust them? No, it's not possible to trust them because there is both a need for money and a history of my paying money involved.

I guess I can sometimes balance my behavior between being a pushover and too controlling; I guess I'm just polite and hope for the best and watch my wallet always.

[HappyHunter44]

Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.

Or I work through the hot girls and find the ones who are in it for the thrill, want real male company and are tired of dating dumb young guys who do not know how to treat them and fuck them, i.e. , the $ is but a part of the total reason for them being on the site, not the main or only reason they are there.

Some game is needed, but nothing special. I mentioned before that my wife was a former Ford model in NY = hot as hell. Even hotter when she added 20 lbs after modeling was over. Many guys have asked me how I got her. Hate to break it, but there is no secret. All I did was only ask out babes who were drop dead gorgeous. Did not waste my time with anything else. Got lots of rejections, but a fair share of "I would love to go out. " One of them turned into a wife, and she is still around.

Some 30 years later, I am doing the same thing on SA. Approach only hot babes and some 10% will seriously bite if you seem like a nice guy. And, if you really turn out to be nice guy, over half of those will bang you happily for not much. The $ is really icing on the cake for those girls. Basic math. No major game involved.

[BStreet]

Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.

I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.

You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.

I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.

EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out.

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[HappyHunter44]

I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.

I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.

I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.

You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.

I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.

EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out.

[Dash]

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

I'm not in S. Carolina but lurking around also. I was in S. Florida for a few years and I met a female who requested a relationship with me and said she'd like some dough and I said sounds good to me.

My approach was I had a "budget" and there were "rules". I basically said "no pussy, no money. ".

If you explain your budget to the female, she will either 1. Accept it 2. Pretend to accept it until she moves on to a guy with money to spend on her.

Once a female has decided no free pussy for men that's it; you either pay her what she thinks is fair or expect her to leave the arrangement.

I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.

I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.

If you can't find common ground with prices no amount of game is going to help; look for another because she is looking for the guy who is willing to spend more money.

[EvilTmp]

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

There's nothing wrong with your usual level of sugar if the girl likes you. At $350 she's thinking like an escort. You're two dinners in and you just need to stop spending needlessly. You've more than shown her who you are and your vibe and it's up to her to decide if she wants to spend time with you or not. Be clear about your budget and let her go if she's not happy.

[Hal1957]

What's it worth to you? That's all that matters. I'm in my 60's. My best "value" was a 27 why / o who spent her weekends at my house and I paid her utilities. Bought tires for her car once, because she needed them to be able to safely drive 30 miles to me. She was happy, I was happy. If your girl isn't happy with what you're offering, find another girl. BTW, I operate out of a town of less than 5,000. She lives in a town of about 35,000. I travel often and sample from a range of 150 miles. Next weekend will be with a 21 why / o who is into light bondage. We've been communicating off and on for a couple of months with no mention of an allowance. I'll pay the hotel and slip an envelope with 150 into her purse. Then we'll see where it goes.

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

[HappyHunter44]

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

One thing I would point out is there is zero correlation to the amount of $$ given to an SB in relation to how hot she is, how young she is, how well she fucks, how clean she is and how much you enjoy being around her and she around you. Absolutely none whatsoever, so the 350 ppm is really irrelevant to the whole thing because there are definitely babes just as hot and more fun for much lower. Therefore, if she is beyond your budget, then move on.

Think of it this way. She already got 2 really nice dinners out of you. I have been having fun with a 19 yr old (slim, great boobs and just plain hot) and have yet to spend more than $25 at happy hours and she is happy to go and fuck for 3 - 4 hours after that. I give her 100 ppm and she never questions or complains and always shows up on time with a smile, clean as heck and tons of fun. Just brought another like her into the rotation, so that makes two in that age range and price.

Unlike the SB you are talking to, I was never compared (at least to my face) with what other SDs did for her in the past. And if she ever did that I would have asked her, "How would you like it if I compared what your arrangement should be to the hottest babe I ever had?" I bet that would end that comparison right there.

However, given that I almost cannot get my main SB to leave when we meet and she enjoys hanging around watching movies etc. I know for sure she is in it for the fun, a real male connection and she does not have to worry that I am a creep or anything. In short, she is accepting the 100 ppm for a great fuck, fun, and a sense of safety. And, if I were to venture a good guess, it is the safety part that probably means the most to her. 350 ppm would not last long if I were a creep or unpleasant to be around, simply because she would move on from that situation.

My overall point - if the SB you are talking to and already taking out to dinners is in it for the total environment (likes you, likes your company, likes how you fuck her, and likes how you make her feel at the end), not just the $$, then she would accept lower than 350. If she would not accept less than 350, then she is just a flat-out civie escort deluding herself into thinking she is an out-for-fun SB. In that case, you are not taking out an SB; you are taking out an escort.

Just my 2 cents.

[WarlockKy]

Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.

Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?

I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.

Thanks,

Paul.

If she's got the app running on her phone it will show her as online.

[ChrisCarr]

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

TBH, everything you wrote above is probably what you should tell her. Don't break your bank for trim, you have a budget and if she wants it she knows what she needs to do. You may need to change your expectations of when where and how often, but if you are looking for a sugar relationship rather than a pump and dump youd be better off communicating openly. If she can't get past it then you just saved a shit ton of cash.

[Josephr9999]

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

[OliverNP]

When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.

I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.

I think you're right, both that she's naturally submissive and didn't have any sort of BDSM angle. A lot of things like choking would have really rattled this little girls cage, she was a bit too fragile for that. To give you an idea, she was still referring to adults as "grown ups". LOL. I think one would need to hear her speak to hear the level of maturity (or lack of I should say).

I rarely get the same innocence vibe I got from her, even from girls her age. I got the feeling she was saying "yes sir" mainly because she was nervous / skittish. Even in her original profile she indicated she was looking for something a bit more beginner-friendly than what she thought most would be looking for.

I was tempted to play it for all it's worth and really unlock that submissive side sexually, but it was kind of like landing a prize fish on fragile line. The thought of potentially missing out on that sweet pussy if she got cold feet was enough to make me adjust my game to make sure I got her to the FC. And yeah, it was worth it. One of my more memorable SBs.

[Ernest Ll]

But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir.

When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.

If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?

I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.

Granted, I did meet such a freak in Chicago. 23, living with a 42 yo dom and she gets off being abused by cock and treated like a ***** -- I'm talking pro level kink. But only one like that in 5 years and nearly 70 SBs served.

[Truncated]

How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.

Have a second SA account. Don't pay the $89/ month for it.

Just use it to look at the SBs account to see if it is still there.

I agree with OliverNP, though. If you are worrying about a SB blocking you, you are playing the wrong game on SA. Don't get attached to one girl if she doesn't show interest.

Your time is much better spent moving on to one of the hundreds of other SBs who will attend to your needs.

[OliverNP]

Wondering if you guys have ever encountered this before.

Met a gorgeous, sweet and very submissive (but apparently sheltered) 18 year old.

Prior to the M&G, I had a phone chat with her, which I do on a case-by-case basis. In this case she seemed almost TGTBT and I wanted to not only confirm she was real but if so, make sure I played the sales game optimally.

She was what exactly she described herself as (18, which I verified by drivers license at the M&G table). Super sweet, sexually inexperienced, recently out of highschool and only in her first couple of months of college. I guess being away from mom and dad exposed her to other girls that were sugaring, and that prompted her to try.

But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir. I said I wanted her to be herself with me, the yes sir and no sir was not required and to just call me by my first name. I'm no stranger to the yes-sir thing during submissive bedroom play, but I was afraid that if I didn't make her as comfortable as possible, she was a flight risk and would flake prior to the M&G due to cold feet. I wanted to give her every reason to show up, starting with being as comfortable with me as possible.

It paid off, she showed up and I could tell she went from nervous to completely charmed in a matter of minutes, she liked me better in person than my pics and I guess I was running my A game that night, so it was off to the FC.

Fucking her was an absolute joy, she was inexperienced like she said but that was part of the fun. Her eagerness to please, while not completely knowing what to do, was part of the magic of the encounter. She said her sexual experience was limited to three guys her age, and I fully believe it after having her.

In the middle of sex, she starts with baby-daddy talk. She had researched the lifestyle pretty well over the web before our date, and it was probably a by-product of that or exposure to lots of sugar related porn. Calling me daddy and being submissive in general seemed to be her comfort zone.

So my question is, have any of you guys encountered one of these? So submissive she's already talking to you as if you're a hardcore BDSM master, but yet so sexually inexperienced that she couldn't possibly be doing it out of practice or habit.

If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?