"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

I was unable to log in for a few days or I would have responded sooner. Thud, thank you for the useful post re how you do it using the so-called amateur sb sites. I hope you get laid every night this week, man. I'm headed back to my squirter sb today but this will be the third time so it's beginning to feel like a relationship which is not really what I want. I mean I do want it when I want it but most of the time I don't. I need to get back to work and sort thru the available talent and see if I can find another nice new hot wet "amateur" pussy.

[Thudpucker]

Thud, how do you handle the "how much can / will you spend per month" question in your profile on SA? Also, do you post photos of yourself? Finally, what is your opening line?

Bottom line: it works. Requires substantial investment of time (and, of course, cash). Met 4, boned 2, new meets scheduled every night this week. All attractive, one spectacular 20 year old (met but not boned, but looks promising). Tiring. However, the membership only lasts a month, so have to make the most of it unless I decide to renew.

As soon as my profile went up I got a handful of requests, before I'd paid so I couldn't respond. There are roughly 2500 listings in my 50 mile default radius. I've now scanned through about 1000, responded to about 150, and have gotten replies from about 15, maybe half of which are prospects. No overt scams (yet) and no increase in SPAM in my associated e-mail.

To answer your questions, no I don't post my pic, but I send on request when someone has replied with a private e-mail address and I'm interested. I'm honest with my intentions: I'm not looking to 'keep' anyone (can't afford it) , just something weekly (well, I'm probably looking for at least two different weekly girls, but that's more than I can afford). I've only explicitly talked amounts with one girl, and the two I took home with me we didn't talk amounts, I just gave them an envelope with a 'gift' (200). One girl was very happy and txt'ed me saying 'thanks' and 'let's do it again'; the other one I haven't heard back from and haven't contacted again. That's my basic offer. 200 / date, which I call $1000 / month (on a 5 week month). I don't respond to girls asking more than 1. 3K; most are 'open for negotiation' which is what I put in my profile. I have about a 3 paragraph message that I send to the girls I respond to, giving a rough but accurate self-description, what I'm looking for (put nicely) , and what I'm offering (not explicit numbers, but that I'm offering a supplement, not full support).

I'd say worth it. However, I'm doing a kind of 'run'. Got an extra few thousand at year's end, and I'm having some fun with it. Maybe I'll end up with a semi-regular thing (although I tend toward variety). It is a way to meet some good looking girls and have a much better time than with a pro (at least in my experience). Both the girls I've brought home have been full date / GFE experiences. Dinner / drinks, followed by around 3 hours of fun for 200 plus the restaurant tab. I'm having fun (but getting tired) , and it's getting tough to schedule things. I'm about to have to back out of a date I've got scheduled for Thursday (body builder) for a better looking prospect (Russian).

[Literal2]

Thud, how do you handle the "how much can / will you spend per month" question in your profile on SA? Also, do you post photos of yourself? Finally, what is your opening line? (I've tried "loved your profile" and "want to have fun" and some others all equally lame. It's amazing I ever get laid. Just trying to learn before they haul me off to the cemetary.)

[Thudpucker]

I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girls

Hi. Not from this neck of the woods but the thread came up the same day I paid my close to. 5$ for a month on the SA site. I've been doing UTR for a few years (in addition to the street. I tend to avoid the public pros. Rarely worth the admission price in my book) , mostly by posting on CL Casual Encounters. The filters on CL now catch most of the 'mutually beneficial arrangement' type posts, and the replies are now pretty much entirely spam (as opposed to the former 99. 9% spam). There is a broad range of UTR talent, from dumpy old pros to gals who've done professional modeling. I've had semi-regular things with some spectacularly beautiful women with dinner dates followed by 100% GFE and given them 200 a meeting for their time with which they were happy. Rare, but there. I've currently got an ongoing thing with a 22-year-old former member of her college swim team for 100 / visit, so there's some good things to be had out there.

I decided to try 1 month paid after I saw 4 of the girls I'd been with from CL responses on the SA site, which let me know that at least some of the girls there are real (including the swimmer). We'll see how it goes. Of course we're all looking for the 19-year-old model material who humps like a wild monkey all night then quietly leaves in the morning with $100 and is happy. She doesn't exist.

I never pay an allowance in advance. As noted, once she's got the cash in hand she's got what she wants and will go looking for another well to provide.

[Literal2]

For what it is worth I've sent maybe 15-20 different girls emails and only have a "continuing relationship" with 3. Two of them were online at the same time and I sent emails asking if they wanted to meet. Both initiated chat during which we exchanged cell #'s and one I met and fucked the next day with no preliminaries and the other after a week during which I met her in public for a get acquainted session first. The third has been more difficult as we exchange emails frequently as I work to break out of the wolfpack of pussyhounds on her scent. We shifted to regular email instead of that on the site which helped. Pretty girls are bombarded on the site. Finally she met with me and she's hot hot hot but didn't have time to be alone. So I'll try again in a few weeks. I've given her some sugar but no more until penetration occurs. If it occurs. She is a ferocious cock teaser. Will try some others soon. Inmo you have to be direct enough in the initial contact so that she gets a little thrill but not so direct that she thinks you are weird.

[Coolhand2]

Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.

I did as you suggested. Too rich for my blood. I did pay the SB site. No responses yet to emails.

[Literal2]

Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.

Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.

[Coolhand2]

Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.

Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.

[Literal2]

Many thanks to OBX for sharing some of his technique. I am following along, trying to figure this so-called amateur scene out.

Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.

So I zeroed in on SB3, she of the emails saying how she wanted me to fuck her so bad etc. Summary: when I tried to meet her she said she was nervous and didn't quite have the time. So I'm kicking this one down the road for a while. I'll revisit later, still would like to taste that sweet pussy. I gave her some sugar in advance, maybe she'll just pocket it and drop me. We'll see.

[Coolhand2]

Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each.

I have signed up for the sight but only for free. I was not sure if it was worth paying. I'm curious as how you make the payments. Do you make a deposit to her bank account or is it a cash payment? Is she willing to accommodate her schedule to yours? I would love to find a situation I could make work once a week with NSA. I have to admit you're making me think about biting the bullet and signing up.

Coolhand2

[Obx Fun]

Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each. Its fair to both and trust me all I am going to say is true. I ask for pic's and never give them one. I am married and that would not be discreet If I sent them. I will offer a description. I usually ask for pic's up front so I don't waste my time. If they say no fuck them. Move on. It helps to weed out the non-real ones. I keep it in this area. I only want ones who have a place by themselves that we can use. They must be attractive to me. I'm not just looking for a port. Its not storming in my life. 1k per month is alot for some people but it works for my budget. I never chat sex for $. I ususally talk about rent and such. I always make it know that there has to be chemistry. Both mental and physical. So I will ususally agree to something fair for first visit. If the girl is really in need she will agree to all I have said. If not move on. Trust me. More on there every week. I am seeing a 21 yr olod VCU student from that site now. She is off it now. Beautiful. Giving. A real pleaser. Hot as hell and can suck a ball thru a keyhole. All this is just my opinion and thoughts. Like them? Fine. If not f-you. LOL.
Good hunting + be safe

[Literal2]

Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW. A little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.

Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.

I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent. Always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.

Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice. And ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality.

Yes, I'm not against using a little sugar to get my foot in the door, but after things start rolling along I wouldn't contnue if the relationship didn't become or remain a penetrating one.

I think maybe I was just lucky.

We shall see.

[Snake27]

This is an interesting topic. I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girls and avoid girls who are doing a high volume of business. I think in most cases the high volume girls get burned out and are not into their job, though there are exceptions and it would also depend on the guy. Many high volume girls have emotional problems stemming from either an unhappy childhood or bad life experiences.

My ideal UTR GF is a reasonably stable single woman who has a job outside the sex industry but is struggling to make ends meet and needs extra money. Usually they have a kid or two and the father has deserted them. Actually there are many such women. But where to find them?

I have not tried the online sites because from everything I've read (including a section called Dating Agencies on this forum in the Special Interests section) they are a complete waste of time and money. Too much spam, fakes, and undesirable women. Since I haven't tried the online sites I'd be curious to know if they work, but I think even if they did work the women there are not really UTR by definition.

I have not dated many UTR girls, partly because they are so rare and partly because I'm not that keen on it anyway. But here is what I've found both from experience and a bit of research. Sometimes they'll cruise stripclubs to pick up men. These could be high volume girls. In addition, some of the civilian girls who go to SCs are lesbian. A short conversation will establish what they are doing there. I would not date a stripper, though. Usually if a stripper accepts an arrangement they are either a high volume girl or they don't sleep around much but are very expensive. In a way I would not mind the expense of a stripper but they are in a sex industry job and, as I said above, this tends to burn them out. Another place to find the UTR girls is regular nightclubs. They are so rare that I cannot give any general advice on how to pick them out of the crowd. As I said, my success rate is pretty low. Actually only three girls in 10 years. But that's ok, I'm patient. I have a SO. I'm not desperate.

There is some risk to the UTR girls, both from my experience and from what I've heard and read. For one thing, they may cling to you and then get "dramatic", call your SO, put your business out in public, etc. That didn't happen to me yet. Also you may get attached to them if they are interesting and fun to be with, which can have an emotional toll. Then there's the risk (which is actually a good thing for the girl) that if they have a lot of good qualities they will eventually get scooped up by a high-qualilty single man, and your arrangement is finished. That happened to me earlier this year.

[Pistol Peter]

Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW.a little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.

Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.

I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent.always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.

Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice.and ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality.

[Literal2]

Personally I would never have tried the sites beyond the worthless free trials if it hadn't been for your posts OBX. I'm having a blast and I'm grateful to you. Yes, you are generous with leads too. I don't think you caused an uproar. I caused the uproar because I ignored the correct classification of the threads and some folks really, really care about classification. Plus this is an anonymous monger forum and mongers get grouchy without enough pussy. That equals uproar. So don't worry about it. Thanks again.