"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Castlerae** · 03-06-12 21:13

Droo,

You preach to the choir when you tell folks to treat the women right. Even on the p4p scene, a little common good manners goes a very long way to making the experience more than just another way to get your rocks off. I can't remember how many posts I've read from mongers who bragged about how they beat a provider down on her price, then in the next sentence they launched into a rant about how crappy the service was, guys, in one word or less: DDDUUUUUUHHHHHH! They should put themselves in her place for a second or two, and wonder how they'd react to what they were doing (probably not nearly as well, I'd bet!). If she's asking for more than you want to pay, make a quick counter-offer and if there's no real movement, move on. The same thing with the non-pros: if she's got a serious case of GPS, but she still interests you, make your pitch, then move on if she doesn't respond with any interest. Dickering isn't going to make her like you any more, not more happy to see you. So be nice, speak well to them, and then smile afterwards as you're lying in bed with her.

**Castlerae** · 03-06-12 21:00

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Castle, I am certain Polo is a total amateur as well. The sugar amount was paltry compared to the quality time we spent together, and it never seemed to be of prime concern. I think she just really appreciated someone treating her with kindness. I truly hope the husband continues to be a douche bag, as I will certainly be the beneficiary. As for the deep pit you see me skirting, I agree. This is an issue that I have been trying to come to grips with for some time now, and it is a little like a pebble in my shoe. I am not always aware of it, but it is always there. I think understanding why she did what she did will make it easier for me to move forward with her in a more balanced way. It can play havoc with one's insecurities to have your 20 yo ATF suddenly ignore you when you are in your 50's, and you just don't know why.

Scott

I hope that you do continue to benefit from Polo's crap husband, Master Scott. As for the rest, I was speaking from bitter experience and know of what you speak as far as rejection hurting. May none of us fall too hard, nor land with too great a damage to our selves.

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 19:40

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

I really felt compelled to post to congratulate Scott and little Scotty for a fantastic double-header (no pun intended) yesterday and to moan a little more about not yet hitting paydirt on the one SB I have met so far that could convince me to continue in a LT relationship. Scott, sounds like you now have 2 that I would die for back in my fair city. I can't even find one. But the chase has been fun I have to admit.

Alias

Alias,

I have been at this for well over a year, so don't get discouraged. I have walked, nay, run, down my share of blind alleys, believe me. Maybe we should all post up some of our most spectacular crash-and-burns just to keep things even.

If your hot blonde MILF never comes to the net, it does not mean that you are unworthy. Keep at it. It is as much the pursuit as the bedding.

Scott

**AliasSM** · 03-06-12 18:40

This forum has to be one of the best ones on USASG when everything else is considered. I have to congratulate the contributors for their willingness to share ideas, details, techniques, and both successes and failures. I'm seeing more and more comradery and the forum ages, and really think I would hang out with most of you if I met you in a bar somewhere.

So enough of the gushy stuff, I really felt compelled to post to congratulate Scott and little Scotty for a fantastic double-header (no pun intended) yesterday and to moan a little more about not yet hitting paydirt on the one SB I have met so far that could convince me to continue in a LT relationship. Scott, sounds like you now have 2 that I would die for back in my fair city. I can't even find one. But the chase has been fun I have to admit.

Droo. Welcome buddy and I totally agree with your advice. Even when I was starting out in the SW scene years ago, I discovered that treating the lady well usually paid off tenfold. And if you are thinking you may be interested in a return visit, don't lowball. You will end up saving a few bucks, but will spend much more in trying to find a quality replacement for next time around. And the good ones are always worth a return visit because the sex can sometimes be even better the 2nd or 3rd time around.

I'm out of town all week but still playing the email game with my hot blond MILF that I am so fascinated with. She keeps returning my emails, but has excuse after excuse for not being able to meet again. I think that if I had absolutely no chance with her, she would have quit returning my pesky emails weeks ago, but she does keep just enough correspondence going to keep me on the line. I want in her panties so bad I can taste (and smell) it. Maybe I'm too infatuated with her, but she is by far the best potential SB I have met so far, and has all the right attributes to really push my hot buttons.

So keep up the good posts to all that have contributed. Life is too short too not live it to its fullest.

Alias

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 17:23

Originally Posted by Droo89 [View Original Post]

Treat these women with the utmost respect. Part of what I've come to love about this is that you have to seduce these babies, woo them. This is, in a sense, real dating. With a lot of the formalities taken out.

Talk sugar if needed. Don't lowball. Realize that this is not a sport for the frugal minded. I have my limit set for myself and if what they're looking for is too much, move on. I used to do the escort route. A typical good, good looking, well reviewed escort can set you back 3 to 4. For an hour. I have no problem investing that in a sexy baby and getting an eight hour date with her. To me, it's a no brainer.

Don't be afraid of rejection. If someone's profile interests you, send her a message. Even if what she is looking for is out of your range. Be honest with them. I've found that some good looks, some charm and honesty can go a long way. My confidence level grew after my first successful date, and that comes across in my approach to potentials. They want someone genuine. We all know there are probably a lot of time wasters doing this.

I like to communicate with potentials a bit before we even set something up, to see if there is chemistry. It could take a week or two. For me, it's an important step. I have no interest in meeting someone who may not be in to me. Also, inevitably it leads to a more sexual vibe. When it finally comes down to meeting, there's a good amount of sexual tension that we both know where it's headed.

Last thing. My experiences, thus far, have taught me that these babies, once you open them up and make them feel comfortable, will blow you away with their eagerness and desire.

Later.

These are observations we should all keep in mind. As I have said before, most of these little babies are not pros, nor even semi-pros. One can't interact with them on a straight P4P timeline or mindset. Just like back in college, it can take some time and effort to land them, but as Droo and others have pointed out, the cost to time spent ratio is the lowest one can find, and the rewards, as well as the pitfalls, can be enormous.

Good to hear from you,

Scott

**LuckyLou** · 03-06-12 16:55

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

If I could meet the man who invented Viagra, I would kiss him on the lips.

Scott

I would stick my tongue up his ass if he wanted me to.

LL

**Droo89** · 03-06-12 16:46

Yes, I am married. I'm 41.

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Congratulations for your successes and for sharing them with all of us. Out of curiosity are you married? And what decade are you in age?

We look forward to learning some lessons from you. Nando

**Hernando** · 03-06-12 16:16

Congratulations for your successes and for sharing them with all of us. Out of curiosity are you married? And what decade are you in age?

We look forward to learning some lessons from you. Nando

**Droo89** · 03-06-12 15:32

Greetings all! Let me start by giving a big thank you to the creators of this thread. I truly was eye opening.

I live in a smaller market, so I've focused my attention on a much larger area to the south. I'm only using SA for my search. So far I've met three young ladies.

The first was an art school student. Sexy, smart, uninhibited. Amazing sex and even better down time. We blew each other away which scared us to the point of calling it off. We still communicate intermittently.

Second was an incredibly hot, sexy 24 year old. Her goal is to be adored and desired. Not usually my type, but I'm glad we met. Insatiable is a good way to describe her. Within 30 seconds of the first time we met, she was on her knees unzipping me.

We still are in touch and have plans to keep seeing each other.

The third was just yesterday. Alt model. Tall, lean and slightly androgynous. And she has bright orange hair.

26 years old. Traveled the world. I was her first experience. Met her for lunch at an upscale steakhouse where every head turned when she walked in. I loved it. She was nervous, as was I. Had a decent lunch and a couple of drinks. Went upstairs to a very nice room to continue the fun. I took it slow until she pounced on me. Then, it was on. Everything and anything was available. Went through a three pack.

A few things I've learned on my own, as well as from this board, but mostly from a trusted friend here.

Treat these women with the utmost respect. Part of what I've come to love about this is that you have to seduce these babies, woo them. This is, in a sense, real dating. With a lot of the formalities taken out.

Talk sugar if needed. Don't lowball. Realize that this is not a sport for the frugal minded. I have my limit set for myself and if what they're looking for is too much, move on. I used to do the escort route. A typical good, good looking, well reviewed escort can set you back 3 to 4. For an hour. I have no problem investing that in a sexy baby and getting an eight hour date with her. To me, it's a no brainer.

Don't be afraid of rejection. If someone's profile interests you, send her a message. Even if what she is looking for is out of your range. Be honest with them. I've found that some good looks, some charm and honesty can go a long way. My confidence level grew after my first successful date, and that comes across in my approach to potentials. They want someone genuine. We all know there are probably a lot of time wasters doing this.

I like to communicate with potentials a bit before we even set something up, to see if there is chemistry. It could take a week or two. For me, it's an important step. I have no interest in meeting someone who may not be in to me. Also, inevitably it leads to a more sexual vibe. When it finally comes down to meeting, there's a good amount of sexual tension that we both know where it's headed.

Last thing. My experiences, thus far, have taught me that these babies, once you open them up and make them feel comfortable, will blow you away with their eagerness and desire.

Later.

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 11:42

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

I lay down a challenge for one of our fellow board members to try to top the now immortal Scotty! Can it be done? Or is it a matter of "you want to be like him but you can't?"

It is just that Fortune smiled on me that day, as she will on all of us sooner or later.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**BigTigger** · 03-06-12 10:13

Good Work Scotty my man!

**Magic Rat** · 03-06-12 10:11

Hot damn Scotty! Kudos my man. And my SB is 2 hours away and busy all week. You really know how to hurt a fellow monger.

I lay down a challenge for one of our fellow board members to try to top the now immortal Scotty! Can it be done? Or is it a matter of "you want to be like him but you can't?"

Awesome sounding time my man. Rest up for the next round later in the week.

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 09:57

As I awoke this morning, the memories of yesterday came flooding back, and I just lay in bed for a minute or two with my eyes closed. I'm not sure yesterday can ever be equaled, much less surpassed. What now do I have to look forward to? Oh, more of the same would not be bad!

Vroom, thanks for your comments on the quality of my post. I would love a second career writing soft core porn, as it means that all my baby costs would be tax deductible, and I could explain to my SO that I was just doing research for a new book. Sweet!

Castle, I am certain Polo is a total amateur as well. The sugar amount was paltry compared to the quality time we spent together, and it never seemed to be of prime concern. I think she just really appreciated someone treating her with kindness. I truly hope the husband continues to be a douche bag, as I will certainly be the beneficiary. As for the deep pit you see me skirting, I agree. This is an issue that I have been trying to come to grips with for some time now, and it is a little like a pebble in my shoe. I am not always aware of it, but it is always there. I think understanding why she did what she did will make it easier for me to move forward with her in a more balanced way. It can play havoc with one's insecurities to have your 20 yo ATF suddenly ignore you when you are in your 50's, and you just don't know why.

We shall see, my brothers, what the future brings for both of these babies and me. At the moment, I'm just basking in thoughts of Monday passed.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**Varoom** · 03-05-12 23:17

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Sorry if this has turned into a novelette.

Scott

I was thinking. As I read through your wonderful adventures of the day, just how well written this was. And low and behold it hit me. When and if you ever decide to focus on another career, it could be writing romance novels. Giving yet another round of pleasure to another type of mistress. One at home reading the pleasures of your escapades gone by. I truly think there is a second career there to be explored ole Scotty boy.

Enjoyed reading the exploits of the day and it sounds as if they were beyond the words on the page. Choi brother.

**Castlerae** · 03-05-12 21:53

Damn, dude, I think I am going to die of sheer envy after reading that report of yours! You are also right, I think, about the redhead, definitely does not sound like a hardened pro. I hope you can find some way to help her out of her problems, and that you can find a way to do so that doesn't end with her seeing you as her next husband. As for the ATF, my man, I think you have a lot of thinking to do on her, and you for that matter. That's a very deep pit you're walking along the edge of, one with an unstable edge. I really get the feeling you're in love with that young woman, and if she asked, I think you'd go with her. Would that be the right thing to do? That one, oh Master, I can't answer for you, but I think it's something you should keep in the back of your mind.

For now, enjoy the moment.

PS: currently have a second window open to SA. Two discussions with two separate women ongoing. One is the woman I've been talking to, the other is one that popped out of nowhere. The latter's profile exhibited a tendancy towards GPS, but I made a counter-offer more in line with what I was willing to part with. She's still talking, and she's come down significantly on her demands. Will I end up sweating up the sheets with either of them? Keep it tuned right here, same Bat time, same Bat channel!