"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Golfcart** · 03-13-12 17:17

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

(Edit Delete) Man 63, dies after sex with 23 yr old (sounds like HYCB) (Edit Delete) The * College student told police that she began an affair with * over a year ago, and that he would give her money to buy school books in exchange for sex. Police will not pursue prostitution charges, because the woman said * did not give her money that day. Read more:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/13/or...h-23-year-old/

"He" wasn't me. I'm still alive.

**F Scott** · 03-13-12 16:59

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

Thought of my brothers upon reading this article.

The article states that the "Sex was quite literally a killer". Man 63, dies after sex with 23 yr old (sounds like HYCB)

<edit delete The * College student told police that she began an affair with * over a year ago, and that he would give her money to buy school books in exchange for sex.

I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that this man is an inspiration. This is how I want to go out - between the thighs of a 23 yo HCB! (Though not for some time yet!) The article did not say, but if there is a memorial fund, I'm sending 20 bucks.

Farewell, me brother, we wish we knew ye!

Scott

**Varoom** · 03-13-12 16:50

Thought of my brothers upon reading this article.

The article states that the "Sex was quite literally a killer". Man 63, dies after sex wtih 23 yr old (sounds like HYCB)

<edit delete The * College student told police that she began an affair with * over a year ago, and that he would give her money to buy school books in exchange for sex.

Police will not pursue prostitution charges, because the woman said * did not give her money that day.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/13/or...h-23-year-old/

**Spitfire** · 03-13-12 11:42

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Don't forget sugardaddie dot com, most of mine are from there.

Glad you've had success there, but I hate that site since you can only search at the state level. I see no point in opening communication with someone just to find out they are 5-6 hours away.

**F Scott** · 03-13-12 10:24

In browsing the newest profiles on SA this morning, I came across one of a young baby taken of her at work - on stage at a strip club! Maybe should have thought that one through a little bit, huh? She lists her occupation as "professional." Professional what, exactly?

**BigTigger** · 03-13-12 08:33

Originally Posted by Zman429 [View Original Post]

Same here. Try seekingarrangements. Com.

On a side note, I was getting my haircut today and the girl complained 4-5 times about working too much and not getting away, hmmm.

Don't forget sugardaddie dot com, most of mine are from there.

**Bigsqueeze** · 03-13-12 08:20

Originally Posted by UKnowWho [View Original Post]

.<snip> . Convenience is a large part of my motivation for trying this.

Back in the day, over a decade ago, when it WAS possible to score off of AFF, I kept a file of what "prose" worked for me and when it came time to reel in a new babe all I did was copy and paste. Even with the follow-ups emails. Once you write good work, use it! Makes multiple contacts and follow-ups a snap!

Gents, thanks for such an informative and vicariously entertaining forum.

**BigTigger** · 03-13-12 08:19

I also include plenty of phone time before meet and greet. I get to weed out crazies. If we make it to the m&g, it takes longer and I have invest more time, but for SBs. 100% bedding rate.

For those that follow my exploits, I meet with the chubby one tonight for the tiggabounce and the one from NJ on thursday night. That will get me to 100% for SBs that I met for m&g.

Just to mess up my numbers, have a m&g in Fri, pretty, well educated, slim, divorced aa sb in md. She is going to take a while, not sure I can keep up my 3 date rule. We'll see.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 03-13-12 08:12

1. Treat it like a ad on a site. Tell some things about yourself.

2. Always find a way to be humorous.

3. Include a fake pic and put in the ad "similar photo"

4. Ask them to put something in the title of their email, again think of something cute that women like.

5. Make sure to appeal to their short term and long tern goals.

6. Address some of their frustrations, in mine I put things like "you will not have to pay for gas or pick me up". Try something like "we can meet at nice public location for first date".

Overall start the wooing with your ad and remember you get out of it what you put in it.

I did 2 ads, screwed 3 from first ad and had good options in second ad.

BigTigg.

Originally Posted by Bondo500 [View Original Post]

Posted my first ad with absolutely no success. Thought I was clever but WTF. Advice guys. Here's what I posted, plagarized from one I saw online in a different area.

SERIOUS Offer. Good-looking, sane guy seeking SugarBaby. M4w. 50

Hey there, I'm a sane, attractive guy seeking a casual, mutually beneficial sd / sb relationship, with a fun young woman. We can start it slow. Exchange pics, chat, meet for a drink. If you prefer. Please send a picture, and I'll do the same. Thanks for reading.

**AliasSM** · 03-13-12 05:44

After continuing to read post after post of SB adventures, I decided to get serious about 2 weeks ago in pursuit of this hobby. I updated my profile on SA and sent out close to 60 emails to SBs of interest within a 50 mile range of my area who had been logged on since Jan 1st. The return ratio of emails was probably less than 1 in 5, but that still provided around 10 good leads to pursue.

I've set up appointments to meet 4 potentials, but the first meeting last week looks good enough to take me out of the search for a while. She is an 18 yo AA college student that needs money for tuition (don't they all). We met first about a week ago near her college and I wasn't sure at first that we would click. After all, over 30 years difference in age is a huge barrier to startup conversations. It was awkward and I thought afterwards that there was no future there. But she txt me later that night and asked to meet again. (It probably helped that I gave her a couple of twenties for "gas money" at the first meeting).

I met her 2 nights later and she accepted my suggestion to get better acquainted in a local hotel room. We had a private dinner together (nothing fancy, just local carrying) and started to talk while sitting on the bed watching TV. As we talked, she moved closer and closer to me like old high school dating days, and before I knew it we were into deep French kissing and light petting. Needless to say, I was in heaven. Clothing was soon on the floor and I was so excited I could hardly think straight.

She was everything I expected and more, and we have been txting back and forth for the last few days now. I will keep you all posted on how this goes from here, but my hopes are that this will go LT and continue to get even better as we explore each others hot buttons.

My blond MILF that I have been crying about suddenly doesn't seem so important. Stay tuned for more to see if this goes any further, but I'm hooked for now on this 18 yo hottie.

**Zman429** · 03-13-12 01:15

Originally Posted by Bondo500 [View Original Post]

Posted my first ad with absolutely no success. Thought I was clever but WTF. Advice guys. Here's what I posted, plagarized from one I saw online in a different area.

SERIOUS Offer. Good-looking, sane guy seeking SugarBaby. M4w. 50

Hey there, I'm a sane, attractive guy seeking a casual, mutually beneficial sd / sb relationship, with a fun young woman. We can start it slow. Exchange pics, chat, meet for a drink. If you prefer. Please send a picture, and I'll do the same. Thanks for reading.

Same here. Try seekingarrangements. Com

On a side note, I was getting my haircut today and the girl complained 4-5 times about working too much and not getting away, hmmm.

**Graham111** · 03-12-12 14:08

Posted my first ad with absolutely no success. Thought I was clever but WTF. Advice guys. Here's what I posted, plagarized from one I saw online in a different area.

SERIOUS Offer. Good-looking, sane guy seeking SugarBaby. M4w. 50

Hey there, I'm a sane, attractive guy seeking a casual, mutually beneficial sd / sb relationship, with a fun young woman. We can start it slow. Exchange pics, chat, meet for a drink. If you prefer. Please send a picture, and I'll do the same. Thanks for reading.

**Magic Rat** · 03-12-12 12:31

It's an interesting concept negotiating sugar for M&G, although like others have said, it doesn't appear to be the norm here.

My MO is pretty much the same as our friend Scotty's. After reading his stats, I decided to try to remember how well / badly I had done and the results are strikingly similiar to his. I have had face to face meetings with a total of 19 women and have ended up in the FC with 12 of them. While I don't know how many I've contacted on the SB sites, it seems I get about a one third response rate from the SBs I contact.

My belief is to try to get to know them through emails or pms first so they get the impression you're not a pervert, then set up a public meeting....well unless it's obvious from the initial communications how things will turn out. Out of the 12 successes I've had, I only met one of them at a hotel initially, while with 10 of the 12 we ended up there on the first day of meeting. Others have had great success with meeting in the FC from the beginning and I can't argue with those successes. Personally, I just feel more comfortable having coffee or a drink first, but I have never given sugar for just a meeting. As many have said, there is more than one way to skin this cat of a pastime we all enjoy here.

**F Scott** · 03-12-12 10:18

Who,

On average, I communicate, either by email or telephone, with a potential baby about three to four times before we arrange a Meet&Greet. Some are more, some are less. I like to get a sense from them if there are any issues to be aware of, and also to see if I can sniff out whether they are pros or semis, something I've decided I want to avoid.

I have said before that my ratio of meeting to bedding is about 4 to 1, but I think it is somewhat less than that, maybe even as low as 2 to 1. I believe the reason for this is that I put in the time to pre-screen.

Frankly, it is part of the fun for me, and as Droo and others have said, we should expect to have to seduce these little fish. The ones that readily come to the net when they catch site of some bennies are maybe too close to a P4P situation, at least for me. That being said, I have had things fall completely apart at the eleventh hour over the amount of sugar some of them have requested to get panties on the floor, and I'm fine with that. To my mind, it is all part of the game.

Update: I put pen to paper and made an actual tally of all the babies I have had a face-to-face with, whether I ended up fucking them or not, and the total number is 25, with an additional 6 that were no-shows. Out of the 25 that I actually met, I successfully landed 17, so my average is better than I thought. Again, I believe this is due to the upfront time that I like to take. Some contacts don't ever get to the M&G stage; they either stop communicating, or I drift away for one reason or another.
However, if I look at my total count of off-site emails from SA contacts, it is slightly over 100. Some of these I found out were moonlighting pros, but most were legit amateur babies, so looked at in terms of total contacts to babies bedded, I suck at this. Now to be fair I did not, for one reason or another, hit everyone of them with all my powers of persuasion, so maybe my average could have gone up if I had, but I'll never know. Some of them, after a few back and forths, just seemed to not be my type. Nando 1's, airheads, too immature, too needy, too odd, etc.

I guess the take-away here is that this pursuit takes time, perseverance and patience, as I have said before. Plus an ability to handle failure, but the rewards are worth it.

Good luck, and keep us in the loop.

Scott

**Varoom** · 03-12-12 10:09

Originally Posted by UKnowWho [View Original Post]

Yes. I couldn't get a good feel from reading through here if that was common or not, but I decided that would be my strategy. Whether I'll stick with it or not remains to be seen. My theory was that it will save me the hassle of having to convince the girl that I am serious about helping her, and also eliminates / reduces the amount of getting-to-know-you emailing I have to do. E. G. For #2, I just emailed her my offer on SA, she said ok, and then it was just a couple of emails back and forth to plan when and where we'd meet.

But, you're right that if it sets sugar expectations too high, it may win the battle but lose the war.

I'd be curious to hear how much "leg work" it requires to get one of these babies to meet for dinner for free. Convenience is a large part of my motivation for trying this.

In fact, offering sugar for meets and dinner may be counter productive. You may find SB that accept the dinner sugar and go no further, whereas no sugar keeps the attention focused and motivation high, if in fact it is there at all. I don't think you need to convince these babies you are serious, they will take the chance of meeting and you dangle the carrot (at dinner or coffee) based on a future meet in the fc, and the serious babies will come thru. Maybe do as BitTig does at these first meetings, offer gas money... .20 for making the trip, but unexpectedly and not prenegotiated in any way.

Leg work; it varies. On your technique, and no amount of sugar upfront will replace this. So you need to read, read, read here from the beginning preferably, and learn from some of these masters of the sb arrangement. Literal2, Scott, Nando, Spit, BigTig, et al, can have you commanding these SB's in little time, if you follow their input from their experiences and teachings. Hell, with the kind of sugar that you are offering these sb's, maybe one of the above would broker the deal for a fee, and have you tasting the goodies for lots less than you are currently offering. Joking, of course, but what you need is expereince of how to land these sb's without dangling a wad of $$$ in advance, or so much even at time of insertion. Seems like by dangling a mega wad you are setting yourself up as a mark to be had by the sb, meaning you may get f'kd in a way you hadn't planned. Also, negotiating sugar via email could also bring some unwanted attention in the form of LE. Don't think they wouldn't love to make an example out of someone who is using SA, SD / SB, and other media dedicated to the hobby. Careful out there.