"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

I must be a fast learner or incredibly lucky, or both. As noted in my first post yesterday, I spent hours reading here over the last few days. Last night, I created a bare-bones profile on SA and signed up for one month. I studied the site carefully and sent polite messages to a number of attractive ladies. Imagine my surprise when I had three replies within the hour! We traded emails and pics and were quickly off to the races. My responses are now up to seven, including one polite "no, thank you."

I have my first interview with a 27 year old coed tonight. Most likely just drinks. I have two other serious prospects on the line, and one more who is obviously semi-pro. (Her photos are from a strip club dressing room.)

I don't mean to boast here; could this just be beginner's luck? How do I keep my wits while evaluating so many beautify women? It is certain that there may not be the right chemistry with some, while others may price themselves out of the market, so to speak. And I'm sure I've jinxed myself by talking before closing the deal.

But do any of the experts have advice?

Joe,

I know just how you feel. A week ago, you didn't know this world existed, right? And now it's like, holy shit! There are thousands of HYBs out there, and they all want to get fucked! Where will I find the time?

My advice to you is take it slow, work on your game, try and get the first one out of the way as soon as possible, but don't count your panties before they're on the floor. As we all can attest, there are many ways a seemingly perfect situation can go south.

As for beginner's luck, there is certainly some of that. SA lets you search on newest profiles, so I assume there is a way that the babies can see if you are fresh to the scene or not. That has to be as attractive to them as it is to us.

A mistake I made when starting out was to send out dozens of contacts a week, most of which produced a reply. I just could not follow up on all of them, and so I know I let some prime action slip through my fingers just because I got carried away. This is kind of my personality, I will admit. I tend to go all in or not at all.

You also did your homework on the thread, and so benefited from the accumulated successes and failures detailed here. All we ask is that you repay in kind.

Good luck with your M&G tonight. Come prepared in case things move forward rapidly. It has been known to happen.

All the best,

Scott

[JoesParty]

I must be a fast learner or incredibly lucky, or both. As noted in my first post yesterday, I spent hours reading here over the last few days. Last night, I created a bare-bones profile on SA and signed up for one month. I studied the site carefully and sent polite messages to a number of attractive ladies. Imagine my surprise when I had three replies within the hour! We traded emails and pics and were quickly off to the races. My responses are now up to seven, including one polite "no, thank you."

I have my first interview with a 27 year old coed tonight. Most likely just drinks. I have two other serious prospects on the line, and one more who is obviously semi-pro. (Her photos are from a strip club dressing room.)

I don't mean to boast here; could this just be beginner's luck? How do I keep my wits while evaluating so many beautify women? It is certain that there may not be the right chemistry with some, while others may price themselves out of the market, so to speak. And I'm sure I've jinxed myself by talking before closing the deal.

But do any of the experts have advice?

[F Scott]

glad to see so much activity of late. there are a lot of sds supporting the sugar economy.

re: uknowwho

there is a new site started by brandon wade of sa dot com where you participate in an auction for the privilege of going on a date with the girl pictured. the average cost is $25 but can go to $thousands. otherwise i would not do it on your own. why act desperate and set the bar at all. make sure your profile is optimal and your pictures are attractive. as for your asian, we know she can be had, you just need to determine how low she will go. or more appropos, determine how much she is worth to you and make it sound great! a selling point for her is that you are offering your price regularly instead of a one time deal. some sbs would take $800 / month ($200 / week x 4 weeks)

re: droo.

some sbs are playing around and not serious, or (gasp!) might be **** girls just playing at being grownups. i had this identical situation and spent an entire day talking dirty back and forth with a college sophmore who talked about meeting and doing all sorts of great things to my turgid member. but in the end she flaked never to beheard from again.

re: too close to home

explore this girl carefully, she sounds like a gem for you. of course, anyone who knows who you are is a potential source of blackmail. ultimately, any sb you see for over several months will end op knowing most of your i'd info because you will trust and tell her.

re: alias

this sb is 18 and as such is very immature. my initial inclination is to drop her asap. but my little head is talking now and you should have a heart to heart with her explaining the facts of sugar life. if she is unwilling to adhere to the plan that you have laid out end it.

gentlemen,

once again, our brother nando comes through with succinct, sage advice, with, in my opinion, one exception, his advice to droo.

having seriously contemplated trying to fuck my ex-employee who had a profile on sa, and thinking i could get away with it somehow and not have it come back to bite me, was sheer delirium and hubris of the highest order. this bartender thing has end of the world written all over it. your one-time hot makeout session is easily deniable if she ever were to make contact with the so, but three or four separate incidents, detailed, with dates, and possibly a description of that adorable tattoo you have where no one should be able to see it if you had your pants on, well, that gets a little more difficult to explain away. leave that memory right where it is, and concentrate on other little fish.

sorry nando, it's just how i see this one. it's so easy to believe we are untouchable, until we're not.

to all the newbies, great work. keep it up, and don't forget to write.

scott

[Hernando]

glad to see so much activity of late. there are a lot of sds supporting the sugar economy.

re: joesparty congratulations on a successful sd / sb arrangement. you are involved in one without even knowing it.

re: uknowwho

there is a new site started by brandon wade of sa dot com where you participate in an auction for the privilege of going on a date with the girl pictured. the average cost is $25 but can go to $thousands. otherwise i would not do it on your own. why act desperate and set the bar at all. make sure your profile is optimal and your pictures are attractive. as for your asian, we know she can be had, you just need to determine how low she will go. or more appropos, determine how much she is worth to you and make it sound great! a selling point for her is that you are offering your price regularly instead of a one time deal. some sbs would take $800 / month ($200 / week x 4 weeks)

re: droo.

some sbs are playing around and not serious, or (gasp!) might be **** girls just playing at being grownups. i had this identical situation and spent an entire day talking dirty back and forth with a college sophmore who talked about meeting and doing all sorts of great things to my turgid member. but in the end she flaked never to beheard from again.

re: too close to home

explore this girl carefully, she sounds like a gem for you. of course, anyone who knows who you are is a potential source of blackmail. ultimately, any sb you see for over several months will end op knowing most of your i'd info because you will trust and tell her.

re: alias

this sb is 18 and as such is very immature. my initial inclination is to drop her asap. but my little head is talking now and you should have a heart to heart with her explaining the facts of sugar life. if she is unwilling to adhere to the plan that you have laid out end it.

[F Scott]

I hope I'm wrong, but I think I might be flirting with some lonely dude!

Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would y'all proceed with this?

Hey Droo!

I think you may be over-analyzing the first situation just a bit. Some of these babies just don't want to move off-site, for whatever reason. I think the site tells them all kinds of horror stories to keep them, and thus us, on SA, but it now reminds me of a very strange situation I had once back in the early days of my SB pursuits.

I met a young baby for coffee, and she was telling me that the site administrators had told her to use outside search tools to check up on us to make sure we weren't criminals or registered sex offenders. Sound advice, I would think, but here's the strange part : she knew my SA "name"! I didn't think much about it at the time, since I assumed it was somewhere on my profile, but later on when I checked, it wasn't. The only way she could have gotten a hold of it is if the site admin had given it to her. Luckily, it was not my real name, or even close, but WTF! That could have been a true train wreck. A further reason for staying hidden.

As for your hot bartender, I have one word - NO! It seems eerily like my obsession with my former employee. The potential for a catastrophe is just too great. My infatuation with that dangerous scenario is what caused me to take a "vacation", if you recall. Forget about this particular little fish, and concentrate on the babies down my way. There are more than enough to go around! All she would need to do is see your picture in the paper, and you are cooked. I'm guessing bartenders don't make a ton of money, but babies who know our true identities sure can!

On other topics:

Who,

Congrats on your little Asian success! You are on your way, my man. As for her princess-like behavior, who cares if it gets you access to the goodies? Open a few doors if that's what it takes. Keep up the good work, and keep up informed.

Joe,

May I welcome you as well. I think a lot of us just stumbled on this thread and had our worlds rocked by it. I know that was the case for me. Keep at it, and feel free to post or pm any questions you have to any one of us. I believe you will find this a sharing and thoughtful brotherhood.

As for me, I am holed up at work the rest of this week and next. Polo has sent me a few dirty texts, just to keep her foremost in Scottie's mind, and ATF has been in almost daily contact as well. I am feeling the distance between us growing smaller and smaller. I hate being such a drama queen about this, but if I don't have to let her go, why should I?

As always, keep up the good work, my brothers, and welcome to one and all!

Scott

[AliasSM]

So my 18 yo AA babe is startimg to worry me. First off, my second meeting with her had a few issues that made the sex not nearly as good as expected. I think I could work on that because the basics are there, but it was a little disappointing. She seems to love receiving DATY, which is good because I love that, but is not very giving in return. If there were no other red lights, I could work through that.

But after 3 meetings (twice in the FC) , she is getting way too possessive for my tastes. Asking questions about why I can't see her at this or that time, seems jealous of my wife, and is pretty demanding about wanting to get together more often. I told her early on that once a week was about all I could fit in the schedule. She seems to have forgotten that.

Already has me wondering if I need these extra demands in my life and that's not good.

From the experts here perspective, do I cut my losses now and run like hell or try to work through the arrangement. She is 18, probably a 7-8 in overall looks, and has some real potential, just not sure of what I'm getting into.

Advice?

Alias.

She was everything I expected and more, and we have been txting back and forth for the last few days now. I will keep you all posted on how this goes from here, but my hopes are that this will go LT and continue to get even better as we explore each others hot buttons.

Hottie.

[EuroInCincy]

Reluctantly. I never went back. Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would why'all proceed with this?

Nite.

Well I would just take her up on it. Tell her directly you never wanted a local one but for her you make the exception (I prefer local ones)

I have been doing the sb route for a few years now, being involved in a very popular restaurant it does has it advantages. I am often seen with young ones, and the staff has been instructed if they try to get favors because they are my 'friend' they get the reply "Oh since you area his friend you should know that we need $ so you will help us by paying double" will shut them up immediately. At the same time it helps with situations where they know you. Think of my surprise to be landing in Europe, leaving the plane and hearing your name shout by a spinner while walking to customs with your wife. Just a hello. And to the wife." I don't know, must be from the restaurant".

[Droo89]

I had let my SA membership lapse as I was planning on focusing my attention on my current babies. Of course I got several messages from hotties from the Ukraine and Malaysia, but I also got two responses from messages I had put out awhile ago. I was intrigued enough to re-up my membership. One of them being an incredibly cute / hot young (20) college student. We've exchanged several messages back and forth and she seems to dig me. My last message to her was an invitation to lunch next week. Haven't heard back yet. My question to why'all is this: She has only one picture up. It's captivating, to say the least. As per my usual technique, I try to get them to go off site to continue our conversation via email. She basically ignored that, but the witty, intelligent banter kept me intrigued. I hope I'm wrong, but I think I might be flirting with some lonely dude! Think about it for a second, anyone can create a profile on the site. When I joined it was as simple as a mouse click stating I was a male! We'll see. Like I said, I really really hope I'm wrong!

The other response I got was from someone local. (I don't like to fish in my own pond, too close to home. My profession puts me in close contact with exactly the type of young lady who might be seeking this.) I sent her a brief message saying hello and that I was interested in getting to know her. The pictures she has public just show her incredibly tight young body. I didn't give her access to my pictures, but told her to message me and would send her a pic. She granted me entry to her private pics and, yep you guessed it, I recognized her. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. It gets better though! About a year ago I went to a bar near my place after being out with some friends. It was dead there. While drinking my beer I couldn't help but make eye contact with the bartender. Young, blonde, sexy and incredibly tight. The perfect little package. She notices me giving her looks. Walks down to my end, stops halfway and grabs a bottle of Tequila and two shot glasses. Mosies over and looks me dead in the eye and introduces herself. Pours us each a shot and we start to talk. It was late, closing time was near. She told me I should stick around and wait in the back of the bar. After shooing the other patrons out she walks back to me lighting up a joint. We sit on the couch smoking and proceed to have an incredible make out session (that I still think about!). It's getting late, so I have to pull myself from her. Reluctantly. I never went back. Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would why'all proceed with this?

Nite.

[UKnowWho]

Thanks for the input, all. One thing that's interesting to me is that at least half a dozen girls I emailed my $-for-dinner offer read the email but didn't even reply. I wonder if they thought I was too cheap, or too desperate. Or maybe they were girls who are looking for a more loosely-defined arrangement.

I am coming from the escort side, so I am used to getting what I want with no work at all. So, I don't have the patience yet that some of you guys talk about, and don't find any enjoyment in that "chase". But, I do think I am going to at least reduce my initial offer to. 50 in hopes of not setting expectations too high for future meetings, as suggested.

Three texts on Monday to my 23YO Asian went unanswered and I thought she'd changed her mind, but then I sent one more on Tuesday morning and she wrote back. She was very worried about the law, even though we never even remotely agreed to do anything illegal. I was able to persuade her to come out, though, and we met for the agreed $$$$ for the night. On one hand, that's a lot compared to what's usually reported here, but on the other hand, I've paid that without regret for an hour with an escort before. With her, I got an hour of conversation over dinner plus two hours in bed, and it was more intimate than with an escort, so I'm happy.

She definitely has a little princess in her. We were crossing the street going to the restaurant and she said "Damn, aren't you going to hold my hand? We're crossing a street!" And she stopped at every door and waited for me to open it for her. Kinda cute, but all that could be taken too far. Anyway, I am curious to see what will happen when I try to arrange our next night for our agreed-upon $$/night rate. I hereby pledge to you guys that I will hold the line and tell her bye if she tries to shake me down for more, LOL.

So far no more from the white girl I met and unsuccessfully haggled with last week.

[AliasSM]

Welcome to the party Joe. It's been an eye opener for me also and am enjoying every minute. Sounds like you had a nice run going with your ATF. Hopefully it will only get better from here.

Alias

Gentlemen,

Like many others here, I'm an out-of-towner who stumbled on this thread by accident. I've read it nearly cover to cover in two days. It's like a trashy, bodice-ripping novel, and I mean that with the utmost respect and admiration.

I haven't seriously considered the SB route before; I stick mainly with pros and strip clubs. But my ATF has professed a desire to leave the state soon (and I'm inclined to believe she's serious) , so I thought I'd research the possibility of trying my hand at being an SD. The information provided here has been tremendous, and I hope I can pay it back with my own intel and insights as time progresses. Thank you, all.

Here's my back story for those interested. My largely-absent landlord takes little notice in my comings and goings and isn't the least bit interested in the family finances, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I live in Metro Detroit, so the diverse population and relatively dire economic times lend themselves to some fine prospects on both the pro and stripper fronts. I've had successful experiences with both, but I tend to try to spend most of my time with my ATF.

Ah, the ATF. After reading these threads, I realized that I more or less back-doored my way into a SD / SB relationship without even knowing it. She is a dancer-that's how we met-so I guess she's not an SB, strictly speaking. I know that she "does what she needs to do" to make money, and I am not delusional enough to believe that I'm the only guy she's inviting home. But in the year we've been seeing each other (yes, almost a year now!) , she has never once brought up money after the very first time. Not once. Taking it outside the club was her idea, on the premise that I would give her what I normally would in the club, and we could spend more time together. Since then, we've had a wonderful relationship. I guess she's what you all would call an UTR pro, in that she does not advertise. But I also would guess she's closer to SB status than most pros, in that the majority of her money comes from only a couple sources. I prefer not to dwell on those particular details.

Anyway, I digress. I took a quick spin through SA today for the first time and was intrigued. In addition to our large and diverse population, we are blessed with a number of small and medium-size universities and colleges, as well as the big one down the road in Ann Arbor. I was especially intrigued by the 19 year old student who posted: "I was a cheerleader for 8 years so I'm very open minded." Haha! I am hopeful I will someday test that theory, even if I don't exactly understand the logic.

Best wishes to all of the regular posters, and thanks again for the great reading.

Regards,

Joe

[JoesParty]

Gentlemen,

Like many others here, I'm an out-of-towner who stumbled on this thread by accident. I've read it nearly cover to cover in two days. It's like a trashy, bodice-ripping novel, and I mean that with the utmost respect and admiration.

I haven't seriously considered the SB route before; I stick mainly with pros and strip clubs. But my ATF has professed a desire to leave the state soon (and I'm inclined to believe she's serious) , so I thought I'd research the possibility of trying my hand at being an SD. The information provided here has been tremendous, and I hope I can pay it back with my own intel and insights as time progresses. Thank you, all.

Here's my back story for those interested. My largely-absent landlord takes little notice in my comings and goings and isn't the least bit interested in the family finances, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I live in Metro Detroit, so the diverse population and relatively dire economic times lend themselves to some fine prospects on both the pro and stripper fronts. I've had successful experiences with both, but I tend to try to spend most of my time with my ATF.

Ah, the ATF. After reading these threads, I realized that I more or less back-doored my way into a SD / SB relationship without even knowing it. She is a dancer-that's how we met-so I guess she's not an SB, strictly speaking. I know that she "does what she needs to do" to make money, and I am not delusional enough to believe that I'm the only guy she's inviting home. But in the year we've been seeing each other (yes, almost a year now!) , she has never once brought up money after the very first time. Not once. Taking it outside the club was her idea, on the premise that I would give her what I normally would in the club, and we could spend more time together. Since then, we've had a wonderful relationship. I guess she's what you all would call an UTR pro, in that she does not advertise. But I also would guess she's closer to SB status than most pros, in that the majority of her money comes from only a couple sources. I prefer not to dwell on those particular details.

Anyway, I digress. I took a quick spin through SA today for the first time and was intrigued. In addition to our large and diverse population, we are blessed with a number of small and medium-size universities and colleges, as well as the big one down the road in Ann Arbor. I was especially intrigued by the 19 year old student who posted: "I was a cheerleader for 8 years so I'm very open minded." Haha! I am hopeful I will someday test that theory, even if I don't exactly understand the logic.

Best wishes to all of the regular posters, and thanks again for the great reading.

Regards,

Joe

[Hernando]

Here! I am 63 so it hit a little close to home. What a way to go! That story probably freaked out a lot of coed SBs in the world.

[Bunker Buster]

Thought of my brothers upon reading this article.

The article states that the "Sex was quite literally a killer". Man 63, dies after sex wtih 23 yr old (sounds like HYCB)

<edit delete The * College student told police that she began an affair with * over a year ago, and that he would give her money to buy school books in exchange for sex.

Police will not pursue prostitution charges, because the woman said * did not give her money that day.

Read more:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/13/or...h-23-year-old/

The last paragraph of the story reads "Cxxxxxx is survived by his wife and children, who may have been surprised that this is the way his life ended. Not with a whimper, but a bang."

Right next to this on the page is an ad reading "Jesus Christ is Lord."

This is either a coincidence, or the author of this poor fellow's demise is taking credit, and sending the rest of us a message.

[Castlerae]

Thought of my brothers upon reading this article.

The article states that the "Sex was quite literally a killer". Man 63, dies after sex wtih 23 yr old (sounds like HYCB)

<edit delete The * College student told police that she began an affair with * over a year ago, and that he would give her money to buy school books in exchange for sex.

Police will not pursue prostitution charges, because the woman said * did not give her money that day.

Read more:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/13/or...h-23-year-old/

Reminds me of that episode of "Hill Street Blues" where the old desk sergeant dies while having sex, and one of the beat cops quips "Well, at least he went out trying to plant the flag on Iwo Jima!"

Good for you brother!

[Castlerae]

In browsing the newest profiles on SA this morning, I came across one of a young baby taken of her at work - on stage at a strip club! Maybe should have thought that one through a little bit, huh? She lists her occupation as "professional." Professional what, exactly?

Not all strippers "work professionally", as in work as providers. I know one who's a definite 9+, and after much asking around, I can't find any evidence that she does anything but dance at the club. If I thought she was available, I'd be tempted to sacrifice a testicle for a weekend of 'no holes barred' sex with her.