"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Applecart]

Face is slightly angular, but the hands are what matters in this case. Full on rent a babe take out for multiple days. So real you can't believe it. Beyond GFE. Full spectrum solution to all your needs with the best Thai massage training to go along with power fucking and passion. And not too expensive when buying little gifts in the mall.

http://www.thonglormassage.com/Coco.html

[Applecart]

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[Applecart]

She's the commander of the sport fucking team. Works out of Black Pagoda in Pat Pong. Average looks, but a boat load of fun. Follow lonk to Stickmans page and scroll down to the bottom where Barbie is featured as girl of the week. She has a routine in the shower that should be patented.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stick...estaurants.htm

[Applecart]

For those that did not grow up or spend significant time in the US -- their culture is such that the male in the relationship is always a bit of a sugar daddy anyway, so it may just be that some of them believe that to be his role without it needing to be said.

Absolutely true. The gift giving is embedded in the culture. Especially for guys dating girls. It's normal and expected, in fact it would be a loss of face not to give a few gifts.

In its extreme forms (again) you find the real high end stunners from the KTVs who have been spotted and picked out by the mamas an for some rich guy.

He needs not a fuck buddy so much as a accessory, just like his boat slip at the yacht club, and golf course membership, though he owns no clubs.

The girl is on display to make a statement to his friends -look what I've got". The girls compete for bespoke LVIV handbags from the forth floor of the Plaza 66 LV store (minimum 10 k USD per bag). Paying for this stuff is largely done in cash where the guy whips it out of his underarm oversized man bag. They found the inches of renminbi on those automated machines that whirl and furl the money.

Beyond that, it's the iced out Rolex Dayton's that are highly sought out. Unless, of course, the hangs out more around Hong Kong in the bungalow as her home base. In which case the iced out Rolex won't do. Nope. Now you need to get her a rose gold Patek Nautilus to hang around the IFC mall as she pops a few tags at the La Perla undies store.

This is the kind of stuff that the Chinese guys do for their Er Nai girls. Plus the month allowance for them which runs around USD 3 k equivalent.

And once again, they hardly ever, if ever fuck them. It's all about having the best accessory.

Oh, I almost forgot, they must have a toy poodle as well.

I'd bet this is the kind of thing the US "sugar babies" fantasize about.

Ain't going to happen for the US girls...just can see the culture in the States going down that road.

[JZLizard]

Applecart, thanks for the tutorial. I like the idea of language centers. My ATF ATF was Korean spinner and I love them all to pieces. Most of the girls I saw in japan were spinners with that glossy black hair and respectful demeanor. Size 0-2 bodies with A / be / or see CUP tits are my thing. And she screamed her brains out when she came, at least for 2 minutes. We couldn't do Hotels because security would come running.

Ahh, the memories!

One of my best long term relationships ever was a Korean girl. She was about as far from an SB or pro as any other female I've ever met. Devout church going type. The fact I was unwilling to go to church with her on Sundays was actually one reason the relationship didn't work. Consistently amazing sex, wonderfully pleasant person to be around. One of the few women I dated that I can say I was in love with, I don't regret the break up or wish I had married her, because we talked in depth about the reasons for splitting and while it was painful we both agreed it was the right thing to do and didn't look back. I still miss her and think about her often.

[Dsprdo]

Had a M&G with the newby from SD4 M yesterday. She had told me she wasn't comfortable with intimacy right away and never brought up the subject of sugar. She has only been on the site for a few days and we met for coffee. She is a tall, slim white girl with beautiful green eyes. She was very engaging and fun to talk to-the kicker is she is a dancer. They are typically GPS, but I did not get the hard stripper nando1 vibe from her at all. She really seems to be more interested in being wined and dined a little than in cash, as again the topic never came up. I have to go out of town for a couple more weeks for work but we agreed to dinner when I get back. After I left she texted me to say she really enjoyed it and is excited about going out when I get back (I usually send that text, but didn't have time before she did). I'm not sure how things are going to go with a two week break, or if she is going to turn out to be typical dancer, but so far I've only got the cost of coffee invested and I'm willing to buy her dinner and slow play just a bit.

A tactic that has been discussed on here is driving the german car and wearing a nice watch, to give the money vibe off. I have always gone the other way, playing it down a little to manage sugar expectations. Yesterday, not knowing she was a dancer, I decided to give it a try. Sure enough, she noticed both the car and the watch. So, we'll see how that plays out. If she is going to try and bleed me for cash without delivering, then I've probably heightened her expectations. If she is looking to experience some things she can't afford on her own, and is willing to be my SB to do it, then hopefully she knows I can deliver. Either way, it'll be fun finding out!

[FredMoore]

Applecart, thanks for the tutorial. I like the idea of language centers. My ATF ATF was Korean spinner and I love them all to pieces. Most of the girls I saw in japan were spinners with that glossy black hair and respectful demeanor. Size 0-2 bodies with A / be / or see CUP tits are my thing. And she screamed her brains out when she came, at least for 2 minutes. We couldn't do Hotels because security would come running.

Ahh, the memories!

[JZLizard]

Even in L.A. With a huge asian population there are few on the SD sites and most all of them want mucho dinero.

Very interesting about L.A., I would have thought there would be a lot relative to elsewhere, but I suppose they are in high demand and get flooded quickly with mails, driving their price up. I've also noticed what seems to be less and less Asians in strip clubs over the years. Certainly no shortage of them on civy dating sites.

Then again, of all the Asian girls I dated I didn't meet too many money-motivated or gold digging ones. They were either looking for something real or just some casual fun (some were married but cheating), but not money. I did have a couple that were hoping to score a green card and told me so.

For those that did not grow up or spend significant time in the US -- their culture is such that the male in the relationship is always a bit of a sugar daddy anyway, so it may just be that some of them believe that to be his role without it needing to be said.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've had plenty of Asians from various different countries (including one of my favorite long term relationships), but someone else imported them for me, I've never been to Asia at all. Still possibly my favorite race. That skin.. Never underestimate the value of soft skin -- they have something going on there no other race does.

But I quoted you here about the Chinese girls specifically because I've banged scores of them from civvy dating sites but I rarely see them on the SD sites. They are almost always advanced college students (working on their masters or PhD even), usually mid 20's, looks can vary from okay to stunning assuming you're not a big boob man. I don't care about that as much as the total package, but if you're into curvy bodies they probably aren't your thing. Communication can vary but if they're going to school here it will be good enough, and I've known a few that had never been out of China until 3 weeks before I met them, and yet their conversational English was remarkable and as good as any other grad student.

And I don't think I ever met one that wasn't interested in an immediate trip to the FC, regardless of her education or social status. The more I write the more selfish I'm feeling... Doing this brings back so many memories. I'm just thankful to have a place to blog some of the things I've done and re-experience it all briefly in my mind. Memories are only worthwhile if you take time to reflect. Your post reminded me of some things I had not thought of in a while, so thanks for this.

Even in L.A. With a huge asian population there are few on the SD sites and most all of them want mucho dinero.

[JZLizard]

Having spent the 12 years in Asia it's an understatement to say there is "reverse culture" shock -- especially when it comes to a "target rich environment". The amount of work required to recruit, meet, evaluate, and stay safe in the US sugar bowl is tedious. About like trying to eat a hundred pounds of grits with a toothpick.

In China -- if you can speak Chinese -- you have to be careful not to be in a constant state of burn out. The tidal ways of university students is endless. And everyone is more than willing to help with your Chinese if you help with their English.

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For now, I'll stick to recruiting college age Chinese instructors who really need the extra money to support their studies...at least initially.

I've had plenty of Asians from various different countries (including one of my favorite long term relationships), but someone else imported them for me, I've never been to Asia at all. Still possibly my favorite race. That skin.. Never underestimate the value of soft skin -- they have something going on there no other race does.

But I quoted you here about the Chinese girls specifically because I've banged scores of them from civvy dating sites but I rarely see them on the SD sites. They are almost always advanced college students (working on their masters or PhD even), usually mid 20's, looks can vary from okay to stunning assuming you're not a big boob man. I don't care about that as much as the total package, but if you're into curvy bodies they probably aren't your thing. Communication can vary but if they're going to school here it will be good enough, and I've known a few that had never been out of China until 3 weeks before I met them, and yet their conversational English was remarkable and as good as any other grad student.

And I don't think I ever met one that wasn't interested in an immediate trip to the FC, regardless of her education or social status. The more I write the more selfish I'm feeling... Doing this brings back so many memories. I'm just thankful to have a place to blog some of the things I've done and re-experience it all briefly in my mind. Memories are only worthwhile if you take time to reflect. Your post reminded me of some things I had not thought of in a while, so thanks for this.

[HollywoodGuy]

So yesterday I went to see my jamaican princess for a second date. A solid 75 minute performance. I was done at 45 minutes but she kept it going even when she could see I was ready to stop. She was still a 9 all around, but I realized her act was a little too polished. A little spontaneous, but more like a favorite song you hear over and over until it gets boring. Not a big deal but she is in solid UTR status and not NP materiel. Too bad because she is so damn hot. I am going to see her again but not really sure where this is going.

So later that evening I went and saw a girl who admitted she was trying to go pro, but she was only 18 so I figured it might be fun. She did have a sexy ad on CL and that's how I met her. My time was limited so when I got there we just went straight at it for 30 minutes and then I had to leave. Half pacific islander half white. More like a 7 but willing to do a lot of kinky things and she had a whole bunch of toys and props that we only used a few of. I maybe might see her again for the full hour at $ and get to experience more of her skills which were quite varied. But the reason I cut it short aside from the fact that I already had almost 2 hours of sex between the two of them was.

That a met a real and super cute NP. She is an AA spinner type with curves 8.5/9/8/? , college student, retail shop girl that has no clue what she is doing. She lived right near the last girl, so I went to her apt and dropped off $25 so she could take the train to my house the next day. I promised her another $100 if she made it over the next day, meaning today. Well she did show up with the promise of some kissing and petting only. I was like no problem because she is the real deal. And she did offer to fuck me with a condom for $$ (which I declined). Well when she came over I told her "I am going to take a pass on everything" and just hang out and get to know you. I told her my whole story so if she decided to try to get on the A team she would know exactly what she was in for. Partly I did this to rest up a bit as I have dates every day for the next week if I want and partly is that she is a total first timer for sure. If I get her, no one else will.

That means all BB action from a sweet young girl that"s trying to act all independent, and has a good family to support her college plans. But like all young girls has fantasies she won't admit to but the seed is planted. The next date would minimally have to be her in the nude and I would hold back on the fucking if I had to, but not hold back on anything else. After 4 hours I took her home. So either she takes the bait or I am out $.25 for trying. My ATF princess is a true NP first timer and I am starting to realize just how rare that is. I meet lots of hot girls and their experience in being able to totally sexually satisfy a spoiled older guy is very much appreciated but psychologically its not always as fulfilling. Sexually they do me right, and if it wasn't for them I couldn't have even made a go of it with my ATF who had and still has a lot to learn. But she is learning and progressing and trying so hard to please her Daddy.

I have a 24 year old southern white trash spinner that just moved to L.A. a week ago that says I can come get her anytime and is DTF for a $. My new hot latina who is back in town. More than a few other UTR girls I recently met. And another very fragile Indian spinner that I am trying to get to just get to a coffee date. She is one of my fantasy girls I have yet to experience. Even though I do a lot of utr girls to keep the ball rolling. I am looking for the first timers. Even if they go pro, at least I got them for the short time they weren't. I have been with my ATF for over a year now. So it is possible.

[Applecart]

Having spent the 12 years in Asia it's an understatement to say there is "reverse culture" shock -- especially when it comes to a "target rich environment". The amount of work required to recruit, meet, evaluate, and stay safe in the US sugar bowl is tedious. About like trying to eat a hundred pounds of grits with a toothpick.

In China -- if you can speak Chinese -- you have to be careful not to be in a constant state of burn out. The tidal ways of university students is endless. And everyone is more than willing to help with your Chinese if you help with their English.

It's endless and the miles and miles of legs never stop. (Note: this is not a plug, but sometime check out "beauty leg" which has a tone of the tall thin ones, not do much the bubble butt types from southern China (which I happen to prefer, but I'll still take the long legged Dong Bei northeast types any time).

Thailand is not as good as it used to be, as the real Thai Princess types are more difficult to find. But when you do, they play on a whole different gee level and have skin and soft hands to die for. A kind of graceful elegance with big energy in the bed. They will get their fair share, and not stop until they are done. Haven't found one single Thai girl in my area that is under 35, married, and has kids. Very sad.

Singapore is ok, but really expensive and filled with pros from all over. But-- the real university types who you can locate, are a ton of fun and really special. (Finally found one Sing girl in my area who just graduated college. Ok lah).

At bottom, it all comes back to the target rich environment of China. But as money has proliferated, many of the best girls become Er Nai (second milk) trophies of the "new rich" types. Not hard to spot, they are dripping in designer clothes, cursing around in a Audi TT, and talking about their newly furnished apartment in Shenzhen down near Hong Kong.

Yet, still, there is plenty to go around, which brings us back to the language instructors. I used to post for Chinese language tutors, or go by many of the language centers and leave a card.

I could then screen from a dozen or so (at a time) and select the "best instructor".

Of course, she had no idea of my level of Chinese proficiency, but that just allowed me to control the pace of the class time.

Pretty soon you helping them work more on English than Chinese.

Home sessions are the best because people lose track of time.

Yep... Language instruction is the way to go.

Even here in the US I've had better success looking for "language help".

The language doesn't have to be Chinese, could be Tagalog if you Filipina LBFMs; perhaps Thai if your going to BKK; how about some Russian? Polish? Maybe Czech? Or, the hardest of all to acquire...Japanese.

For now, I'll stick to recruiting college age Chinese instructors who really need the extra money to support their studies...at least initially.

And by the way... Before you die, please go to Macau at least once. The Saunas there are something you have to see to believe. Be it Eighteen, Big Boss, or the others, just seeing that spectacle is really interesting.

[FeelGoodMd]

I jumped back into the Bowl in January. I have a long-term lover from AM, but she is very "vanilla," and neither she nor my wife meet my need for a submissive playmate. (AM is a very HOT and creative vanilla, but vanilla none-the-less).

I quickly met and started seeing three SB's, all of whom were looking for a Dominant daddy. One is a 19 yo white, not-quite-hot-but-sex-starved-enthusiastic-and-hot-enough college student, another a tall, thin 23 yo AA (who should be a model, but grew up fat and doesn't realize she's smoking hot), and the 3rd a 24 yo latina domestic violence counselor (and super petite spinner). The DV counselor likes it rougher than any other lover I've had. Go figure.

About 3 months ago, my sister (with crappy insurance) was diagnosed with breast cancer. I agreed to finance her chemotherapy, but that put a hit in my recreational budget. I told my SB's the situation, and that I could no longer give them gifts (usually between $ and $$ per visit) when I saw them.

A funny thing happened on the way out of the Sugar Bowl... I'm still with all three of them. They each said that the money wasn't as important as being able to sleep with / spend time with me. I've seen each of them half a dozen (or more) times since having "the conversation," and not spent a dime beyond the cost of notels. And my long-term AM lover is still going strong (and none the wiser).

I don't know how or why it happened, and I'm waiting for Karma to kick in and sock me between the eyes, but I'm enjoying it for now. Proof, I guess, that (seemingly) nice guys do finish first (and second, and third) sometimes.

Best of all, my sister's cancer is responding very well to the chemo, and she's having very few side effects. It is (by far) the best money I've ever spent.

Dr. Feelgood.

[FotoGuy1970]

I'm turned off by high volume girls, which is one reason I don't go after escorts / utr / career SBs, etc.

I agree 100%.

In other news, my SB candidates from SA have disappeared or have taken themselves out of the running. Worthwhile new girls in my area are few and far between, so I even tried the two closest major cities (Detroit and Chicago) for a possible long-distance arrangement. I had a few nibbles, but those have dried up also and I doubt I will pursue long-distance possibilities any further.

CL is starting to let me post again, but I have to be very careful with the wording of my ads or they get deleted before they even make it live. Replies to my vague ads are nowhere near as good or as frequent as when I could come right out and use sugar terminology. I also have to stick to my immediate area. Anytime I try to post in a larger and better city that's about an hour away from me, my ads inevitably get flagged and taken down.

It looks like I'm going to be taking a vacation from the sugar world, unless SA activity in my area suddenly spikes in the next couple weeks. My SA membership is good through the end of May, and if I haven't gotten a good, regular SB by then, I'll take a respite and check back at the end of summer, when the SBs will be starting to go back to school. This time of year just sucks for trying to build an arrangement with HCBs, because of finals and all that. Several of my potentials have crashed and burned because of finals and not being able to communicate on a regular basis or even schedule a M&G because of their heavy workload.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why waste a perfectly good vagina.

LOLZ. Funniest thing I read all day.