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11-16-14 23:46 #7662
Posts: 5438As some may know I broke up with my sb gf about 4 months ago. I saw her today for the first time in a month. It's not really about the sugar anymore. Thats basically over. I spent about 55 dollars throughout the day. I will now refer to her lovingly as my "pillow princess". Because that's what she is. Part of why we had to break up.
The other part was her lack of endurance. But as a regular girl to see once or twice a month, she's cool, in love (and too pretty to ignore). And she is still exclusive to me except for maybe an occasional girl she has on the side and I am not even sure of that.
I think we may have found a way to have a successful afternoon date. Low drama, very loving, and it keeps us connected. Here she is today with no makeup and her hair undone. Almost time for walking dead and then afterward I am gonna drop by to see my new "tomboy princess" for a car date.
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11-16-14 20:01 #7661
Posts: 127UPDATE on SA POT 2: She asked to postpone lunch date due to feeling under the weather and we decided to get together tomorrow and go straight to the FC. She is looking for 2-3 visits a week at $$ - $$$ per week or whatever I feel comfortable with. Never had such a hot SB with such low expectations. If she's really good in the FC I plan on giving her a bit more than she's expecting, to make sure she keeps cumming back to me.
SA POT 3: Almost right after I posted my previous report, I had an initial message to HCB get responded to. She's local, has never been a SB before, and has no idea what to expect, but she is definitely aware that she'll need to be spending FC time with me before I open my wallet. We decided on 1-2 visits per week at $. 5 per visit. Again, another young hottie with low expectations. This is very, very rare for this area.
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11-16-14 19:33 #7660
Posts: 733Hunting Season
So JL, when is hunting season beginning for you this year? I remember the GF might not leave town? It's nice to live vicariously. I feel like I am doing that already. My public dating is nil and I am angling for an UTR that is low volume. So in my profile as to "I'm seeking" I just put no travel, dinner, or drinks, just you and me LOL. We'll see if I scare all of them away. I might try mixed / black. I usually screen for Cauc / Asian, but I have had several great times with the former. They might be easier and cheapr as Hollywood says. After all, I just want a FB to show up and Polish my knob without being the 12th for the day.
Re: POF. I established a profile and got caught in this testing BS that took AN HOUR! When I finally got to screening I hit the age thing too. So we have to put our age under 30 to see these 20 yr olds.
Old girls: So I started screening for up to 40 yrs old thinking they are more desperate. Well so far they are the epitome of GPS AND less appealing t me, so back to the teenies.
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11-16-14 18:34 #7659
Posts: 65Pof
Originally Posted by JeezLizard [View Original Post]
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11-16-14 09:42 #7658
Posts: 127Back to the sugar world
After taking a few months leave of absence, I've jumped back into the sugar world. No success yet, but I have several nibbles I'm working on:
CL POT 1: Really nice girl next door type with just a few extra pounds in all the right places. Really interested in the whole SD / SB relationship, but it's been tough to arrange even so much as a M&G with her as she lives 90+ minutes away and still lives with parents. But her communication skills have been solid and she's been giving a GFE through texts so far and she has zero expectations as far as what I would provide to her. The only hurdles will be actually getting to see each other.
CL POT 2: Hot college girl who is financially strapped, so is looking for a SD to help her out. She's really hot, but she's 2 hours away. However, she is willing to meet halfway. We've discussed a possible M&G for next weekend. However, her communication skills are the worst and she admits that. Long, long breaks of silence between text messages, which I hate. Between the distance and the lack of communication, I'm not sure how this one will work out.
SA POT 1: Young hot, sexual blonde with big tits. She has a busy schedule, but we're trying to work it out. She indicated she may be good with skipping the M&G and just going to the FC, which I normally don't like to do. If she's as kinky and wild as she claims to be, she'll be a keeper.
SA POT 2: Had a M&G with this really cute young college girl last night. She liked to talk. She says that she's been in 2 arrangements before and both were mutually beneficial, but so far there hasn't been any discussion of sex, which is a bit of a red flag for me. I've heard the "I've been in mutually beneficial arrangements before!" line in the past, but when it came down to it, the girl was only interested in getting paid and giving nothing in return. I'm kinda worried that that may be the case here. It's been hard to get a bead on her: She seems awkward and uncomfortable and nervous, but I don't know if that was just first meeting nerves. We're supposed to have a lunch date today and "see where it goes", so I guess today will give me a better indication of what to expect from this one. Regardless, the wallet stays closed until we go to the FC.
I have a few other random POTs on SA and CL who have expressed interest, but so far the ones I discussed above are the best / most interesting ones. I will report more when I have more to report.
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11-16-14 01:38 #7657
Posts: 1287Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]
One thing you can try to do is create a profile that takes 15 years or so off your age, then simply come out in your intro letter and explain what you're looking for. Do not expect a high level of response from this approach, in fact it's going to be a fraction of your response rate from SA and some might flat out tell you to fuck off. Don't get discouraged -- civy sites are very different from the SD sites. You might find girls on POF that subconsciously want to be an SB but have not really given it enough consideration yet. Your note propositioning her might get the mental juices flowing. She may not respond at all, but in a few weeks you may see her on one of the SD sites. So if nothing else it does help to recruit new SBs. So, even if it looks like you're not getting results, you may actually be benefiting by an increase in female membership on the SD sites in your area.
I found some good stuff on POF several years back -- I wasn't SB hunting, it was free pussy costing me only maybe dinner and drinks -- but it didn't come easy. Lots of requests sent out, many of whom never respond at all. All it takes is that one that rocks your world though.
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11-16-14 00:42 #7656
Posts: 142Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]
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11-16-14 00:04 #7655
Posts: 65Originally Posted by DogSun [View Original Post]
A little research revealed that POF allows users to block messages based on various criteria, including age. I am in my mid-40's and of course I am messaging girls in their 20's. So far, I haven't been able to successfully message anyone under 30. I find it hard to believe that every single woman under 30 that I have message has ruled out older guys, especially if they have profile on SA. So I am led to believe that POF is doing this, but of course I could be wrong.
Anybody else experiencing this?
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11-15-14 19:34 #7654
Posts: 1287Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]
The characteristic of a pro is that they will fuck anyone for the right price, and there is no emotional investment on their part. The characteristic of a true SB is that they expect financial help, but they still choose their partners and often get emotionally invested. I personally don't stay with any SB long enough to see how bad it can get, but I've met girls who told me flat out they fell in love with their last SD and they are looking for something similar in their next relationship, it happens.
There are a lot of girls who have daddy issues or for whatever reason are genuinely attracted to older men. It's been that way since the beginning of time. If they do have that itch to scratch, are they more likely to look for some old dude that hasn't got a pot to piss in, or are they more likely to seek out someone who can take them on nice trips and buy them nice things? Pretty much common sense. They are drawn to SD sites because there is some perception of wealth among the men and an upscale vibe (as well as the verification of credit card payment from the men which helps them feel safer about their dating preference and meet ups). If they just wanted to get fucked by a random cock, they can get on Tinder and make that happen in about 10 minutes. They are looking for cock that's a little less random and comes with additional benefits.
An escort / UTR girl doesn't care who you are or what you look like as long as you're not too creepy and are willing to pay.
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11-15-14 18:45 #7653
Posts: 448What Makes an SB an SB
In my experience, what makes an SB an SB is that they are selective. They are looking for financial support, but are not willing to do anything for anyone to get it. As much as the financial support, they are looking to be treated better than they are typically treated by guys closer to their own age. They want a gentleman that cab show them the finer things, have fun and avoid the drama. They usually are surprised and how much of a difference experience makes in the bedroom.
I've had several SBs now that started off making it clear they want a "No Strings" relationship, but ended up wanted to be a girlfriend.
So many have sexual fantasies that younger guys just candle handle or can't make happen. When they have the best sex of their lives with a man twice their age it changes their view completely.
Some of my best experiences have been with new SB'S that enter the lifestyle reluctantly and appreciate someone who can guide them in their sexual exploration.
They all complain about guys on the Sugar sites that treat them like straight hookers off Backpage. There certainly on plenty of pros on the sites, but if you want a tru SB (in my definition), you need to bait your line for the fish you want to catch and act accordingly.
Just my thoughts.
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11-15-14 18:02 #7652
Posts: 57SBs vs UTR's, pros, whatevers.
I think "my friend" was playing this game for the last six years. Yes, he got a bit wrinkly with time, but in his hay days he was a model for a well-known brand. His experience with "sugar" has been very positive and he is now a big fan of SA. SA did well, for him, I believe.
I also think my friend have seen enough pros, UTRs, ERo $, BP and the oThER site material to tell a professional apart from a genuine person, who is new to this and trying to have a bit of fun while making an honest buck. He is a god tipper and his problem, I heard, not to line up SBs, but to figure out how to fit a few of them in his busy life. I would not immediately insult his intelligence just based on his never visiting this site.
What I said was that one finds people who will fit in their sugar lifestyle. His lifestyle is limited to a few hours after work. Since he is an intelligent and a decent looking man with some cash to burn, he does find and retain intelligent and good looking young women who would rather adjust to his timeline (which, on the surface, is no different from one's "appointment" with a pro) than look for anything more involved. If an SB agrees to seeing you in this setting, this automatically does not make her a UTR and / or a pro. In fact, I would argue that some SBs who agree to see my friend in this setting (that, in addition to a date may or may not include a fancy dinner or a gift card, but nothing else) consciously chose to limit their exposure so that they do not get themselves in that deeper. Again, I leave it up to you to take this at my word or draw your own conclusions.
Originally Posted by JeezLizard [View Original Post]
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11-15-14 15:52 #7651
Posts: 1287Originally Posted by JeanSaulPartre [View Original Post]
I mean that women like successful men. They have money, they are smart, they have confidence that the average poor working stiffs don't have and they have status in life. Women are attracted to that. Anyone who has trouble understanding that has a long way to go toward understanding women. Whether you are talking about true SBs, hookers, or the typical housewife, you are going to have to search for a long time to find one who would express a preference for a run of the mill lackey over someone who has achieved some things in life.
Originally Posted by JeanSaulPartre [View Original Post]
Is your friend relatively young (by SD standards I mean), attractive and successful? To the point that he has no problems getting laid and attracting women significantly younger than him outside of the realm of SD websites? If so, he will quickly find he has the type of real SB I'm talking about lined up waiting to meet him on these sites. If he is 75 years old, not in the best physical condition of his life, or has never had much dating success anyway, he is going to find himself on a different end of the supply and demand spectrum in terms of the sugar world.
The worst thing we can do is believe that what is truly out there is defined by our own limited experiences. In addition to the experiences I've shared here, others have posted fully believable anecdotal experiences to this thread about their "relationships" with real SBs, and anyone who has been paying attention can see that some of those encounters are far different than the hourly escort / UTR experience.
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11-15-14 15:18 #7650
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11-15-14 14:07 #7649
Posts: 5438Long Distance
Going to visit my webcam baby over the thanksgiving holiday. Its been very hard to feel connected to someone that lives so far away. But since she is somewhat in the area of my relatives I rented a room for 2 days only 15 minutes away from her. This would be the most time allotted to spend with her since we met about 4 months ago. I believe her job drains her of her sexual energy so I am going to ask her to refrain a bit prior to our meet. This will impact her paycheck and I can not afford to totally makeup what she will lose by doing this. If we lived closer she could be my ATF. I find that a lot of the girls on the SD site have very busy lives. It's good if you need to keep some distance, but not so good when you want a little more.
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11-15-14 09:32 #7648
Posts: 733Newbie mistakes
It pays dividends to be direct in dealing with SBs. Optimally, a M&G in a public venue is necessary, whether coffee or dinner, then lay out your requirements.
" none of that fun stuff: no anal, no choking, no slapping, no CIM, no kink. " SloMo.
Kink takes a special type of girl and I would not be overy surprised if a newly minted SB in visit #1 at the FC would not be down for choking, etc. This should be discussed before if that is what you expect, to save you time and money.
Right now I am negotiating price up front before the M&G and it is not working out so well. The technique that works is a midlevel dining experience (don't waste too much money, but impress her a little) followed immediately by a trip to the FC. Do not give them time to think it over. "Let's go up to my place and have a drink / get comfortable / whatever " Most will move right away and no money needs to be discussed until the deed is done. The best fuck of my life bar none was a 18 yr old spinner who came up for a coke and pronounced that she never had sex on the 1st date. Well, soft music was playing, an invitation to dance around the room with nice groping of the goods resulted in weakening of resolve. We danced right into the bedroom, stripped her down to her birthday suit, and pounded the crap out of her sweet pussy for 2 hrs.