"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SBmidlo]

LovingTemptress https://members.seeking.com/messages...f-c20e952b31cf.

Moved to texts pretty quickly. Texting from a 859 Jersey area code. Says she lives near the airport here in Richmond. After sending a few non-sexy pics and chatting asks for the loan to get her by until we meet. Of course she'll send lots of vids and pics after I do that. Nope. Blocked her number.

[BagIt]

Please explain your understanding of what you did that got you banned. I know generally they are far more sensitive on the site these days concerning TOS violations, and are trying to rebrand as more of a dating site than a sex / hookup site.

That I offered money for sex to a girl on the site, perhaps I did in some too flagrant way, idk. Maybe some girl got pissed at me and turned some story to her liking to get me banned. Hard to tell but SA said they had evidence on me and even so I challenged them. Basically I told them I had 7 yrs of good conduct and no reports of violation, plus all the money I had paid in membership, in essence letting them know I had been a good customer and it is in their best interest to keep me. I was surprised when they did lift the ban and let me on able to use the last week of my current 30 days.

[AsssManKramer]

Have been communicating with these.

So far nothing solid but hope to get some input from some of you.

1. https://members.seeking.com/member/3...b-f0b1139c5e7c.

Seems to be dtf wants to meet first not sure have to travel up to 40 miles.

Sunshine is real. Doesn't drive, but she'll meet you at a certain location for car fun (usually in Stafford). Sometimes she goes to Fredericksburg or even Ashland, but not often.

[GiveItRaw10]

Sure, Some Gov't tech genius can sit on that last exit node and monitor what comes out, but being bounced around 3 other nodes means there is no way to I'd who is on the exit node. So I doubt SA is going to be able to I'd you as offender XYZ from that exit node, which is different each time or can be changed mid-game. So what we are talking about is getting back on SA? Not staying safe from some gubmint alphabet agency.

Why do you need encrypted data to access SA?

The steps you outlined would skuttle the IP address and MAC addresses that have been reportedly used to I'd repeat offenders.

Those are steps I used to get back on SA. Punters can use it or not. I use a VPN when browsing the net so purchasing a subscription doesn't worry me none. TOR is too slow.

Nothing wrong with being protected while on the net?

[FarFarAway]

Did it the old fashioned way, I complained to management. Really can't believe they dropped the ban on me after I told them that was fucked up to ban me due to my payment history since 2015. They checked it out and I guess after viewing it they agreed, lmfao. They even gave me back the week I had left on my premium membership when I was banned. They slapped my hand and said I had to agree to their terms of use and if 1 more infraction I will be out for good.

Please explain your understanding of what you did that got you banned. I know generally they are far more sensitive on the site these days concerning TOS violations, and are trying to rebrand as more of a dating site than a sex / hookup site.

[BagIt]

I was banned 2 weeks ago but I now have a new profile w / no pic but I have not yet paid for a premium membership. If I use a different credit card from the card I used before banned will I be ok, or get banned again because the card will have my same name and address as the old card. What advice do you guys have?

Did it the old fashioned way, I complained to management. Really can't believe they dropped the ban on me after I told them that was fucked up to ban me due to my payment history since 2015. They checked it out and I guess after viewing it they agreed, lmfao. They even gave me back the week I had left on my premium membership when I was banned. They slapped my hand and said I had to agree to their terms of use and if 1 more infraction I will be out for good.

[RogerOver]

OK, well all know about 'hooker time' when it comes to dealing with the drug addicted street walkers and escorts. They get stuck in a 'nod' or have to hurry to 'get well' before meeting a dude and there are a million ways that can go wrong and lead to time delays. Or they aren't in control of their living situation or transportation so many places for a snafu to occur. After all most of these girl, IF they could manage their time, could probably have productive jobs and lives. So, if we are smart, we open a can of patience when dealing with these types of 'dates!

But then youse gots yer Sugar Babies that want 2 X or 3 X what we have to offer up on the street. I mean at that level of compensation, shouldn't SBs be a better experience? Should we have to put up with 'hooker time' when engaging a SB? After all if a girl can't manage to be on time for a Meet & Greet what does that say about her ability to show up for a date on time? I mean those with tight schedules could lose the ability to complete a date if the SB is 35-45 minutes late!

So what is up with these SBs that don't take time seriously?

Oh and then if the dude happens to leave because his time is valuable, she's gunna curse him out, call him all kinds of names and claim he wasted her time. Then she'll spend miles of unproductive text time arguing over who wasted whose time.

I mean shit, I didn't get to where I am able to play in the sugar bowl because I fritter away time or showed up late to jobs or job interviews. I guess when you are flatbacking for a living such subtitles escape the girls?

Then again perhaps there are enough numbnuts out there that are so excited a pretty girl MAY want to fuck them that they will put up with this form of disrespect?

What gives?

What gives is, this is what you get when you treat these girls like special little petunias that aren't really hookers. While I completely get the concept of allowing them to have that delusion, when you couple that with folks that keep talking about having "game" to pick up a chick that will fuck for money? You're going to have some entitlement issues.

[Shampoo55]

OK, well all know about 'hooker time' when it comes to dealing with the drug addicted street walkers and escorts. They get stuck in a 'nod' or have to hurry to 'get well' before meeting a dude and there are a million ways that can go wrong and lead to time delays. Or they aren't in control of their living situation or transportation so many places for a snafu to occur. After all most of these girl, IF they could manage their time, could probably have productive jobs and lives. So, if we are smart, we open a can of patience when dealing with these types of 'dates!

But then youse gots yer Sugar Babies that want 2 X or 3 X what we have to offer up on the street. I mean at that level of compensation, shouldn't SBs be a better experience? Should we have to put up with 'hooker time' when engaging a SB? After all if a girl can't manage to be on time for a Meet & Greet what does that say about her ability to show up for a date on time? I mean those with tight schedules could lose the ability to complete a date if the SB is 35-45 minutes late!

So what is up with these SBs that don't take time seriously?

Oh and then if the dude happens to leave because his time is valuable, she's gunna curse him out, call him all kinds of names and claim he wasted her time. Then she'll spend miles of unproductive text time arguing over who wasted whose time.

I mean shit, I didn't get to where I am able to play in the sugar bowl because I fritter away time or showed up late to jobs or job interviews. I guess when you are flatbacking for a living such subtitles escape the girls?

Then again perhaps there are enough numbnuts out there that are so excited a pretty girl MAY want to fuck them that they will put up with this form of disrespect?

What gives?

stepping down off of the soapbox

[Shampoo55]

Yeah for sure. I just understand that using TOR alone, it doesn't offer a full encryption on your online data. Like if you are using TOR alone on the way from the last node to another destination server, you are vulnerable to being attacked.

Sure, Some Gov't tech genius can sit on that last exit node and monitor what comes out, but being bounced around 3 other nodes means there is no way to I'd who is on the exit node. So I doubt SA is going to be able to I'd you as offender XYZ from that exit node, which is different each time or can be changed mid-game. So what we are talking about is getting back on SA? Not staying safe from some gubmint alphabet agency.

Why do you need encrypted data to access SA?

The steps you outlined would skuttle the IP address and MAC addresses that have been reportedly used to I'd repeat offenders.

[SBmidlo]

How did things go with #2 (the panty gifter LOL) I've been talking with her and interested how things might develop.

We still have not met up for FC. It's on me though as I've been working way too much and not making time for fun. She is blowing my phone up with texts though trying to get together. Update since my last post, she now has her own place so can host. And her hours got cut at the restaurant she's working at down there so she needs to make a few bucks. So keep chatting with her and I'm sure you can set something up. If I get there first I'll report back LOL.

[FarFarAway]

For me, about 4 years in the bowl. But I'm pretty underground, and have strict rules with my activities, so much that I likely lose a lotta chances at SBs I otherwise could see if I were less careful, er paranoid.

The other thing is, we can have the world's best opsec, but after that what's more likely to impact our ability to evade detection on the home front is fairly uncontrollable by us, and that is what type of SO you have, and her lifestyle. If your SO works, is very independently active, has many friends, many outside interests, travels w / friends, then you are much safer than someone with a SO who's retired and / or with few friends or outside activities and seeks most of her life's enjoyment through you. In the latter case, you're kinda in a straightjacket. She has plenty of time to keep track of you, so you're operating in a much tighter operating window and this is something that you can't do much about.

I'll keep at this til - 1, I get caught, 2, run out of untraceable money, or 3, My ability declines to the level where I have to stick a needle in my dick. And #3 is much easier to say if you aren't there yet, so it remains to be seen on that one.

I hear you brother, loud and clear. I am in much the same boat, this all sounds familiar. I generate play money mostly by gambling, but you have to be good enough at it. I also often think if I had no SO to worry about, I would have a higher batting average, b / c I could act when opportunity presents itself. However, of course there are many many reasons guys w / SOs are on seeking.

[GiveItRaw10]

Wouldn't you be able to avoid step #3 and the associated cost if one just used the Tor Browser? Quadruple redundant VPN protection? Or on the phone isn't the equivalent the Orbot always running in the background?

Yeah for sure. I just understand that using TOR alone, it doesn't offer a full encryption on your online data. Like if you are using TOR alone on the way from the last node to another destination server, you are vulnerable to being attacked.

[Geechie Dan]

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...0-be3d6e22ee0a -- yeah, chicks that look like this in RVA are on seeking. And the nearest Soul Cycle is. Arlington.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...2-85244a29e123 - 9 bod, 8 face, marginal comms. Seems too busy with work to ever meet.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...b-2d52e393a3a1 - sassy, sarcastic but missing the big S -- Silent. Can't get a word otu of her.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-642d64df856a - not her first rodeo, but can't get her to text. She keeps deactivating when she takes breaks so she doesn't get bombarded with messages.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...3-055fd4ba8e55 - initial engagement that seemed legit. Silent for days but active anyone get anywhere?

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...e-0585f4e9e32e -- she's back, but seems to have taken platonic references off her profile. But still can't get anywhere.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...9-ad15ca2f6cbf -- seems real, b ut limited replies and activity.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...d-6f6a0b0f567b - totally flaked on meeting, lots of excuses, 1030 am "I'm in the shower getting ready" Noon "waiting on my sister to get back with my car".

That last one, the one you said flaked on you, looks very familiar. I've never met her but I think I've communicated with her, and I believe she's just a straight up escort. I believe she's been around for quite sometime.

[HarryMcHardon]

Get your head out of the gutter. I want to know how long someone who has a SO can keep going in the sugar bowl without discovery. And, then, to what age do you think / believe / have actually stayed in the bowl?

For me, about 4 years in the bowl. But I'm pretty underground, and have strict rules with my activities, so much that I likely lose a lotta chances at SBs I otherwise could see if I were less careful, er paranoid.

The other thing is, we can have the world's best opsec, but after that what's more likely to impact our ability to evade detection on the home front is fairly uncontrollable by us, and that is what type of SO you have, and her lifestyle. If your SO works, is very independently active, has many friends, many outside interests, travels w / friends, then you are much safer than someone with a SO who's retired and / or with few friends or outside activities and seeks most of her life's enjoyment through you. In the latter case, you're kinda in a straightjacket. She has plenty of time to keep track of you, so you're operating in a much tighter operating window and this is something that you can't do much about.

I'll keep at this til - 1, I get caught, 2, run out of untraceable money, or 3, My ability declines to the level where I have to stick a needle in my dick. And #3 is much easier to say if you aren't there yet, so it remains to be seen on that one.

[TakesALicking]

#1 I saw a review over on the NOVA or Fredericksburg board.

#2 is definitely DTF. The profile pic is 3 years old but she still looks decent. Have had a meet and greet. She sent me home with her panties!! LOL She is currently living with a friend down there in the Manchester area. Works at a restaurant and walks to work. Trying to raise rent money to get her own place and she will host once that happens. She's been approved for the place but doesn't have the $ yet. Our schedules just haven't worked out yet but could have had it by now. Trying for this weekend.

How did things go with #2 (the panty gifter LOL) I've been talking with her and interested how things might develop.