"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

But, I don't think any of the girls I've seen him film were scripted. If they were, then he has stumbled accidentally upon girls who all possess acting skills that far exceed academy award material.

I live in PHX, where that guy is located (he works the ASU girls pretty hard). A while back I was out of town for a while and happened to check out one of his videos. As I was watching I had a funny feeling that the girl in the video, a 20 something MILF named Madison, looked awfully familiar. After a while it hit me that she was the hot new bartender at my local sports bar that I had been chatting up one evening before I went out of town. She seemed like a sweet, not too bright, hot chick who had let a past relationship leave her in a tight spot. She was talking about how tough it is to make ends meet with kids and I was trying to get the conversation steered towards the SB path without clueing in every other horn-dog sitting at the bar. Ultimately I didn't get it done and left. Fast forward a few weeks to me catching her on film and her taking it three ways like a champ. In the video she came across exactly the way she did in the bar, a little ditzy and surprised to find herself with a cock in her mouth; I couldn't believe that she is bright enough to act that well.

Needless to say a couple of weeks later when I got back home I made a beeline for the bar, but alas, she had already quit (or maybe been fired, who knows). I felt good that my instincts were right about her, bummed that I didn't work it harder.

[LandonR]

Well SB#12 showed up for our New Years Eve date. She's 26 year old divorce mother of 2. Bigger than her profile pictures but not terrible. Has a very respectable job. Thinks she's full of shit on a couple of things but bangable. I'm already in far more than I want to be ($50 drinks and appetizers, paid $50 to get her nails done for her, and she forgot her shoes so had to run to Target to buy some for $30). Tickets for tonights NYE party were also a cool $100. But I have a date all night and she'll be spending the night. The bang is not invetibale. Will be a balance of making sure she doesn't get too drunk that she passes out when we get back. Was looking more for someone to hang out with tonight and have fun. So this fits the bill.

She's in the shower getting ready to go out. I'll report back. Happy New Years gents!

[Mike7794]

I stumbled on this thread by someone mentioning it on a massage parlor thread in my state. I've known about SD 4 me several years ago, and signed up for it briefly, but never really went forward with meeting any women. I was already in the mindset to visit China and play the field. This was back at the end of 2008. I went back and forth to China so many damn times all the way up to 2011. I was having so much damn fun. Especially going to the second hand cities where they hardly ever see a western man. But I can tell you the word is out with the power of the internet I imagine that the western cock is bigger than their Asian countrymen. One city had two universities. Just walking down the sidewalk you get so many Chinese college girls with the "I want to fuck you look" it was amazing. Really I felt like a damn rock star. If this is the life they lead they are truly lucky. I had an amazing four years there, but I digress.

After reading this thread the past several days I've signed up again for the site. Many great reads here and good advice. I'm partial to the Asian chicks. I'm just hooked on them still. Love those spinner bodies.

Thanks for all the good reads and especially for the veterans here like Hollywood and the others.

[LandonR]

Couple of questions came in after my post.

I'm in my early 40's. Live in a medium sized midwestern city.

I would say I have pretty good game. I've been honing my skill set for over 20 years. .

My strategy has to be as honest as possible with them. I do try and paint a picture of what our future could look like together. At least what my fantasy future would look like.

[JZLizard]

My fault I was being lazy on my post. As far as the scripting it is? You come in, we talk, you get nakid, you masturbate, I say "suck my cock" (it is in EVERY BRCC) and then we fuck and if possible anal" anything other than that is up for grabs I would suppose. Of course the girls play it up because they know it will be seen and they MIGHT get more work out if it.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if he even sends them links to his videos before they meet in person, so that they can see what they are signing up for (just to eliminate girls that waste time).

Even the old Ed Powers stuff back in the early days of amateur pretty much ended up being the same old drill -- a new girl could watch his prior films and know pretty much how the session was going to go. He and Randy West never tried to hide the fact they were paying the girls for their introductory sessions. I think what made it amateur porn is that there was no "fictional" scripting added or professional-level production work like makeup / wardrobe or other pro-level techniques, and of course the fact that it was the girls first time on public video (usually).

[JoeBlowDC]

I can fully believe he would pay them a grand or so for a porno shoot -- he is in business after all. And I don't believe he is really misleading them the way he claims to be (claiming to get them connected to mainstream porn producers), I think part of that is him adding some entertainment value to his brand.

But, I don't think any of the girls I've seen him film were scripted. If they were, then he has stumbled accidentally upon girls who all possess acting skills that far exceed academy award material. A lot of people don't realize that acting to a script in a way that is believable for a film production or play is one thing, but acting to a script while trying to *believably* portray someone who is not acting is a hell of a lot harder, so these girls would be exceeding the skillset of Jessica Lange or Meryl Streep by an order of magnitude if they were following a script (at least the ones I've seen). This is why producers of reality shows work so hard to take raw footage and weave it into something remotely believable (because there is so much directed activity and posturing for the camera that takes place behind the scenes). Still, most of the time a reality show that isn't real is easy enough to spot.

Now, creative editing, that's a whole different story. Things can be edited in order to tell a story completely different than how it happened. But, his productions aren't that slick and I doubt his production skills are either. Just a guy with a camera who has decent game when it comes to talking to women.

My fault I was being lazy on my post. As far as the scripting it is? You come in, we talk, you get nakid, you masturbate, I say "suck my cock" (it is in EVERY BRCC) and then we fuck and if possible anal" anything other than that is up for grabs I would suppose. Of course the girls play it up because they know it will be seen and they MIGHT get more work out if it.

[HollywoodGuy]

Or perhaps you are like Hollywood with gobs of game.

I get what I pay for. LOL.

[FredMoore]

What city you in?

How old are you?

Guys (maybe like you) who get free or at least cheap pussy are probably closer in age to the girls. I do not get any free passes but I am 40 + yrs older than my target audience. Or perhaps you are like Hollywood with gobs of game.

My senior hottie has bolted because I refuse to use condoms. She was a 9/10/9/7 and IRL could be date material, but not a FB. She was willing but didn't lube up like my ex . I guess she wasn't that into it .

My SB-EX is incommunicado because she suddenly found "the love of her life " (Or a higher paying SD). she was a little chubby so i was shopping for a spinner to add to the collection and ended up with nothing for the moment . I did take her for granted but she was SO sexual the minute I touched her she was dripping juices and moaned and groaned with gusto . I do miss her enthusiasm.

Pot #1.

Single mom low 20's, 8/8 and willing to travel to see me. We will see if it happens. The distance goes against this working. I am sure local Mongers(big market) will snap her up unless she is playing the Multiples game. If she does come up as scheduled I am going to beat her pussy like she owes me money.

[HollywoodGuy]

It's been a crazy few weeks.

I'm exhausted!

What city you in?

[LandonR]

It's been a crazy few weeks. For a variety of reasons I've been in a hotel for about 3 nights the week before Christmas and 3 nights this week. I've also had the last few weeks off of work. I've used this free time and time in the hotel to make the most of the Sugar Bowl. My goal has been to have as much fun as I can with departing with the least amount of money that I can while still respecting the babies and not trying to take advantage of them. It's been interesting.

SB #1 - 25 year old blonde hottie. Drove an hour to see me. Went out for drinks and a little bite to eat. Her plan was to stay at my place for the night so she didn't have to drive back. Shows up wearing a very sexy skirt and killer boots. After drinks we end up back to my place. Some hot and heavy kissing and she gives up some strong last minute resistance. I try to plough thought but no go. I act disinterested and she eventually bolts telling me she needs to go tend to her drunk friend. Never discussed specifics regarding an arrangement and I'm sure that's what made her skiddish.

SB#2 - 18 year old African American college freshman. Great body and a beautiful face. Picked her up at her dorm room as she couldn't drive. Immediately back to my place to "cuddle" and watch TV. About 20 minutes later cuddle turns into massages and then that leads to a great BJ. She was very timid and shy which was a turn on. After the deed is done I drive her back to the dorm where she tells me she is very impressed with my size. No discussion whatsoever regarding $ with her. I didn't bring it up and she didn't ask for it. We talked about date #2 being shopping trip.

SB#3 - 23 year old mother of 2. Pretty sexy, but a little thicker than I typically like. Has had 2 SD's before. We meet for a drink at a local bar. Pissed as she ordered a $15.00 Margarita. I have 1 drink and I have to bolt to another M&G. I texted her later that night at 11:15 pm telling her to come over to the hotel room and pay me a visit. I ended up falling asleep and woke up to a text in the morning saying "leaving the bar now, what's your address" . Pissed as that would have been fun to play with. Have a feeling she knows the game well and may have asked for more $ than I'm willing to party with. We've been texting back and forth and I think it will eventually happen.

SB#4 - 26 year old stripper. Blonde with thick booty. Pretty sure she is a UTR. A google search of her phone # shows some backpage posting for "massages" She's was also staying in a local hotel as she comes into town to dance and not from around here. After texting back and forth she invites me over around 11:30 one night. Paid her a visit to her hotel room last night and she answers the door in lingerie and her stripper heels. We talk for about 30 minutes and in no uncertain terms I told her I was not prepared to pay her anything that evening but we instead talk about potentially traveling or shopping with each other sometime. That was all she needed to get the lingerie to come off and the naughtiness to begin. It was fun after that. No money exchanged.

SB#5 - 27 year old single mom. Comes straight to my hotel room one afternoon. No discussions of Sugar but we drive to the party store to grab a bottle of wine and head back. We discuss potentially traveling or shopping together sometime in the future. About 30 minutes into the bottle of wine the clothes start to come off. Was having alot of fun when I noticed that Aunt Flo had started. Ended the session early. I gave her $20 to help pay for the babysitter. She texted today to see if I was available.

SB#6 - 19 year old alternative girl. This one was a VERY pleasent surprise. Her profile pictures were horrendous. We meet at a Starbucks and I was pleasently surprised. Very nice body underneath her alternative / goth type clothing. After a nice coffee date she comes over the next evening and the evening after. The total cost for both evenings was $60 and ssome appetizers at Chilis. I texted her this week for round 3 and she replied back that she is "now seeing someone" and that she's very happy with him.

SB#7 - 28 year old divorcee. She drove about an hour to see me. She showed up wearing a short skirt and sexy heels! That was enough to do it for me. We meet for a nice dinner ($30). Very voluptous. Seemed like a very "normal" girl. We go back to the FC and have about 90 minutes of great fun. I gave her $40 for her trouble.

SB#8 - 23 year old Costa Rican. Bar tender at a local bar. Very beautiful girl with a great body. We meet for drinks at a local bar. I'm totally into her. Apparently she wasn't feeling it. We call it a date after 1 drink. I tried to talk her back to the FC with various $ offers but she wasn't having it.

SB#9 - 43 year old. She messaged me on the site. I told her that I would not be able to provide her any financial help but would be happy to be a "mentor" to her as she's looking to open her business and I have some business experience. We meet for coffee and back to the FC. She's probably about a 7, but not really my type. She gives me a great BJ, she wanted me to do the deed but I wasn't feeling it (I'm not that easy!) and I called it a date after about an hour.

SB#10 - 29 year old. She shows up at the bar for drinks and her butt is bigger than what's pictures in her photos but her cans are great fakes that wasn't apparent in her profile picture. We have drinks ($30) and then go grab a bite to eat ($30) and then back to the room. Once in the room I sit in the chair and she gives me a great strip tease / lap dance! I felt like I was in my own private strip club. The skirt comes off and she is in sexy thigh highs and a garter belt. This one definetley knew the game and wasn't about to have any fun be efore assuring that she was getting some sugar. I assure her that I'd give her some spending money. Once done I gave her $100. She was expecting more and was not that happy. However, she did say she'd see me again but next time I'd have to come to her.

SB#11 - 21 year old spinner. Very hot! This was today's fun. We had met the week before Christmas for coffee. We grabbed sandwiches today ($15) and then back to the FC. A glass of wine and some kissing ensues. Off comes the clothes and she is in a great bra and panty set. This was by far one of the hottest / best bodied girls I've ever been with. I was so turned on I hardly lasted very long. The session felt a little rushed. I have a feeling she may be seeing other guys, but it was fun and hopefully I'll see her again. I gave her $80 and she seemed pleased.

SB#12 - 29 year old. This one is coming to visit tommorrow. A New Years Eve party is planned and hopefully. She told me that she is divorced but some Facebook sleuthing shows a Christmas picture with her husband. I'm a little nervous now given that but she's driving a couple of hours. I think it's 50/50 if she even shows so I have a couple of back up options planned.

I'm exhausted!

[TacoLover23]

I need a little advice from the guys on this one. I've got one who's really young and hot (20 yo, latina) who has now cancelled on me for the M&G just prior to it the past 3 times. I really want to meet this one but suspect she's shy and nervous about it. She sends me plenty of pics to keep me going but every time I'm about to head out the door to meet her, something comes up and she cancels. How long do you allow one to miss appointments before deciding they're a lost cause?

Two strikes and I'd be out. One emergency I understand. The second is just drama since, when you flake on somebody once even in business or real life and due to an emergency, you make sure that 2nd meet is legit. And who wants drama before you even meet? Tell her, nicely, to get her life straight and she knows where to find you. That worked wonders for me on conventional sites and in real life. Let's them know you were interested, that you are too busy for games, and if she ever reaches out later she'll probably go the extra mile. You have to put the image out there that you're busy and in demand. Even if you're really watching Sportscenter and scratching your nuts with a stale pizza in front of you. They either run you or you run them. I prefer the latter.

[FotoGuy1970]

I need a little advice from the guys on this one. I've got one who's really young and hot (20 yo, latina) who has now cancelled on me for the M&G just prior to it the past 3 times. I really want to meet this one but suspect she's shy and nervous about it. She sends me plenty of pics to keep me going but every time I'm about to head out the door to meet her, something comes up and she cancels. How long do you allow one to miss appointments before deciding they're a lost cause?

Three strikes would do it for me.

[JZLizard]

The guy does use all the sites and I am sure CL as well. I think the difference is the cash. He is paying industry rates anywhere from $1 k-$1. 5 k and the entire scene is "scripted". Now if he can get them to sign the releases for less then THAT is game! LOL.

I can fully believe he would pay them a grand or so for a porno shoot -- he is in business after all. And I don't believe he is really misleading them the way he claims to be (claiming to get them connected to mainstream porn producers), I think part of that is him adding some entertainment value to his brand.

But, I don't think any of the girls I've seen him film were scripted. If they were, then he has stumbled accidentally upon girls who all possess acting skills that far exceed academy award material. A lot of people don't realize that acting to a script in a way that is believable for a film production or play is one thing, but acting to a script while trying to *believably* portray someone who is not acting is a hell of a lot harder, so these girls would be exceeding the skillset of Jessica Lange or Meryl Streep by an order of magnitude if they were following a script (at least the ones I've seen). This is why producers of reality shows work so hard to take raw footage and weave it into something remotely believable (because there is so much directed activity and posturing for the camera that takes place behind the scenes). Still, most of the time a reality show that isn't real is easy enough to spot.

Now, creative editing, that's a whole different story. Things can be edited in order to tell a story completely different than how it happened. But, his productions aren't that slick and I doubt his production skills are either. Just a guy with a camera who has decent game when it comes to talking to women.

[JoeBlowDC]

Yeah I think that's the one. But these days the girls are all paid one way or another, there isn't a lot of true amateur porn out there unless you count badly filmed phone vids of a guys girlfriend blowing him or whatever.

I don't see what the casting couch guy does any differently than the vids I've seen for the entry level porn girls like the former miss Delaware teenusa or the Duke university girl. The first time they did their shoots they gave honest info about who they were and what they had done non-porn wise in their interview. So, while I don't doubt at all that they are getting paid for their intro shoots, they do appear to be legitimate first timers to me. Nobody with intention of posting porn to a site is dumb enough to do it without a legal release and probably no girl is going to fuck him on camera for free.

Whether or not he really met them on sponsorforme or is secretly shilling for the site may be a different story, but if you look at how many films he's done and how few of them involve sugar babies at all, much less mutter the name of that website, it doesn't make much sense as an advertising strategy.

The guy does use all the sites and I am sure CL as well. I think the difference is the cash. He is paying industry rates anywhere from $1 k-$1. 5 k and the entire scene is "scripted". Now if he can get them to sign the releases for less then THAT is game! LOL.

[JZLizard]

Totally NOT amature. The girls are all paid and all sign releases but it is a neat little gonzo porn production operation.

Yeah I think that's the one. But these days the girls are all paid one way or another, there isn't a lot of true amateur porn out there unless you count badly filmed phone vids of a guys girlfriend blowing him or whatever.

I don't see what the casting couch guy does any differently than the vids I've seen for the entry level porn girls like the former miss Delaware teenusa or the Duke university girl. The first time they did their shoots they gave honest info about who they were and what they had done non-porn wise in their interview. So, while I don't doubt at all that they are getting paid for their intro shoots, they do appear to be legitimate first timers to me. Nobody with intention of posting porn to a site is dumb enough to do it without a legal release and probably no girl is going to fuck him on camera for free.

Whether or not he really met them on sponsorforme or is secretly shilling for the site may be a different story, but if you look at how many films he's done and how few of them involve sugar babies at all, much less mutter the name of that website, it doesn't make much sense as an advertising strategy.