"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I,ll just keep reposting it. Sorry to the SM's.

Hi. Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real Chemistry. And I also have an understanding and giving nature combined with years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe and nurturing environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?

or just tell them straight up, "I pay x amount for x amount of your time and/or here is what my minimum sexual expectations are to get paid". Thats what I do.

Next.

On average I send my three messages a day to the new girls. I don't even care if they reply unless they are spot on target. Which is rare. If I look at all the girls that were my ATF's over the last few years they are all basically the same body type and skin color. Today one of my intro letters got an instant reply. I could have seen her tonite and she would have stayed over (which I never really do). Says she got booted out of her parents recently. So she was very eager to say the least. A decent looking persian mixed girl, 22, I told her I would take her out to eat tomorrow. If she is fun enough I will cancel my saturday date for her. She looks like an NP so far. Its been going on 3 months since I shifted gears, just been cruising with my regulars. Down to three as my MILF seems to have gone MIA for now. And no great loss as I am very satisfied and dont really miss all the drama of having a lot of rotation. I am kind of settled in for the moment. But as we know that can change on a dime or for one.

Speaking of which, the one pictured just txted me that she is getting a room with her BFF and having a door fee party in hollywood tonite. I see she posted on her IG that she is horny. LOL. But after a planned 2 hr FC date for this evening there is no way I would be up for more than chatting if I even make it. Timing is everything. And I dont have the time tonite and I dont think the funds this girl is expecting for an ongoing relationship. I managed to float a $ trial balloon in a txt a few days ago, and she let me know that was insulting. LOL. But she is imploring me to stop by after my date. She already questioned me about my regulars to see if there was an opening. She is only 19 but has lived in the fast lane and taken a lot of cash off a lot of guys. Shes already done it all. Pro, stripper, SB, but what a body. The grass is always greener, and when it rains it pours.

[Rouleur]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I don't know how long your POT has been silent but don't assume you've made a mistake. Sometimes "life" will delay a SB response rather than a intentional silence. If anything, the POT should be happy you are trying to be up front about the amount of sugar needed to satisfy Her needs. If you haven't had the time or inclination to go back a read as many pages of this thread as possible, I'd recommend you find the time. You will find a treasure of information as well as some prime examples of real mistakes made by Newbies as well as the occasional small head lapse by a Senior. Welcome the Bowl!

[LandonR]

So far January has not been as fun and crazy as the last 2 weeks of December for me, both by design and the shear fact that we have been under about a foot of snow and sub-zero temperatures here. Not too many people are wanting to venture outside right now.

I did meet my 28 year old divorces SB for our 2nd date this week. Dropped $45 on dinner and then back to her apartment for fun. Start getting down to business and she informs me that it's her time of the month, but that she will make sure I leave satisfied. She did empty my tank twice but I was a bit disappointed she didn't tell me about this issue before I drove the 45 minutes to her house. Left her an allowance of $60.00.

Prior to that date, I met with a 19 year old AA beauty for coffee. She seemed very nervous but I'll try to work her into my rotation at some point in the future.

Interesting thing with SA. My profile actually expired about a week ago however I'm still able to use the mobile app. I haven't logged into the site since my profile expired as I'm afraid that it will sync up with the mobile app and I'll be blocked. But I've been able to search and message girls just fine with an expired account on the mobile app. Anyone else ever have this happen?

[WoodSlinger]

Jumped into the SA fray last month. There is a lot of GPS in my area, but I am getting the best responses from some really attractive young hotties that have their expectations set to negotiable, and even some hard bodied 30 and 40 year old MILFs. Between CL and SA my time is scarce and fucking three or four different women each week is impressive considering my offers are less than $. 5 . Add in the SO, cause you know you have to keep up with your wifely duties at home lest ye rouse suspicion.

Also just turned 48 and have discovered that mini-me is not as easily excited as he used to be. Considering some performance enhancers but have zero experience with them. Medically I am in decent health, BP is a little higher than normal. If anyone wants to elaborate on their own use of Captain V,see and L I would be interested in hearing the consensus from a POV. I did search here and read a few results but nothing like a comparison.

[Falar]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

[Member #5055]

Even a new Nando GAS? .

Not into the whole Nicky Minaj or Kim Kardashian body look. Kind of revolting actually. I guess some people are into it or these girls wouldn't feel compelled to show it off. I guess it's a good thing for them that someone's into it (gigantic ass syndrome I mean). There's someone for everyone I guess.

[JZLizard]

But I guess this girl is for real. If you gogle the pic you can find her.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-3102014-liddel123-Longbeach-California-SugarBaby

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Not into the whole Nicky Minaj or Kim Kardashian body look. Kind of revolting actually. I guess some people are into it or these girls wouldn't feel compelled to show it off. I guess it's a good thing for them that someone's into it (gigantic ass syndrome I mean). There's someone for everyone I guess.

[JZLizard]

An alternative is to alter the words in part of your profile when you go dark. Something that could explain your non response, but arouse interest for when you return.

Eg. "I am now overseas for a few months on vacation / business, but when I get back. Etc etc".

Tailor the message to your target audience possibly. Eg, " My present SB and her husband are in pretty dire financial straits at the moment, so I am with her as much as I can, and can only start answering others when my present SB is back on her feet. " Obviously, you tailor it for the particular target audience, and not use that one".

Yeah, that's one possibility, but if like me and you know you're going to be dark for a long period of time, it's better to delete and start anew, because of the contact attempts. It's frustrating to get mail from someone and you can't read it. Also I had a couple of cases where girls I already had on either email or text tried to contact me via the website. They don't really think about the fact I might not be able to read them there. At least that way if they really need to contact me they are forced to go to mail or text, where I can read it. It would be easy enough for SA to put something in place to solve this problem, but they don't because they know it's a revenue generator. Horny bastards like us have trouble resisting reading those messages or seeing what new POTS have appeared. Since I can't act on them, I'd rather vote with my wallet against their policies and just delete my account until I need it again. It only takes a couple of minutes to sign back up and fill in all the fields.

[HollywoodGuy]

But I guess this girl is for real. If you gogle the pic you can find her.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-3102014-liddel123-Longbeach-California-SugarBaby

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[RubberyMan]

I prefer to just delete my account whenever the end of my "season" rolls around, and create a new one as needed. The reason is SA will just keep hounding you with girls who contact you, but who think you're being rude by not responding, and it just tempts you to pony up the credit card to see what the fuss is about. Ever contacted a girl and wondered why the fuck she didn't respond if she just logged in yesterday? Well I don't want to be one of those people who doesn't respond.

I have a big problem with any website that won't let you control profile visibility, with or without payment. So I make sure they don't get my money unless I'm really going to use it, and I usually make enough contacts such that if I have an unexpected vacation from the SO and need some company, I usually have enough email and phone contacts from the prior season to make that happen. The fact that SA won't let you hide your profile without either paying or cancelling your account is one reason I intentionally minimize how much money I pay them.

As a bonus of complete account tear-down and recreate, I get the "newness" of a new profile, a new start, and new visibility on girls radar (specifically if they are searching by original signup date for new members) every time the new season rolls around.

An alternative is to alter the words in part of your profile when you go dark. Something that could explain your non response, but arouse interest for when you return.

Eg. "I am now overseas for a few months on vacation / business, but when I get back. Etc etc".

Tailor the message to your target audience possibly. Eg, " My present SB and her husband are in pretty dire financial straits at the moment, so I am with her as much as I can, and can only start answering others when my present SB is back on her feet. " Obviously, you tailor it for the particular target audience, and not use that one".

[Falar]

Agreed a lady from SA inquired about my sign date. I basically informed her that I had initially signed up but didn't pay for the membership right away.

So it sames as if the ladies do pay attention to that. Base on that she assumed that I might have other females around the website.

[JZLizard]

So my SA account expired last night and I ended getting messages from two pots that just signed up for their accounts a day or two ago. The curiosity is killing me since I the love to see if they wrote something like "hi daddy, I want to do anything to please you. ".

I prefer to just delete my account whenever the end of my "season" rolls around, and create a new one as needed. The reason is SA will just keep hounding you with girls who contact you, but who think you're being rude by not responding, and it just tempts you to pony up the credit card to see what the fuss is about. Ever contacted a girl and wondered why the fuck she didn't respond if she just logged in yesterday? Well I don't want to be one of those people who doesn't respond.

I have a big problem with any website that won't let you control profile visibility, with or without payment. So I make sure they don't get my money unless I'm really going to use it, and I usually make enough contacts such that if I have an unexpected vacation from the SO and need some company, I usually have enough email and phone contacts from the prior season to make that happen. The fact that SA won't let you hide your profile without either paying or cancelling your account is one reason I intentionally minimize how much money I pay them.

As a bonus of complete account tear-down and recreate, I get the "newness" of a new profile, a new start, and new visibility on girls radar (specifically if they are searching by original signup date for new members) every time the new season rolls around.

[HollywoodGuy]

So my SA account expired last night and I ended getting messages from two pots that just signed up for their accounts a day or two ago. The curiosity is killing me since I the love to see if they wrote something like "hi daddy, I want to do anything to please you. ".

More likely it will be some sort of bland response like "thanks for the complement" or some such.

Part of me wants to drop the nominal sign up fee just to make sure I'm not leaving anything on the table. The big head is telling me that it will be a waste of time and money. Besides, if I am trouble finding time to spend with my current rotation, there is no way I am going to be able to add another one in the mix.

I have a date with sb 4 tomorrow and sb3 on Saturday. Both are daytime events. I have overnight trips planned with sb 1 and 2, each for one of the last two weekends this month. A date planned with sb 5 later this month during the day as well. Between work, my real life, and the bowl, somethings got to give.

As I type this, I am resolved not to sign up again. Besides, if after the next two weeks, one of the sbs gets upset about me not having enough time for them, I might just resign up then to fill that hole. Unfortunately, I've found that my game tends to require more costs upfront with real dates and such. So keeping the existing rotation will be easier on my budget.

Good luck gentlemen. May the bowl be good to us all.

In seven years I have never taken down my profile. Even if I am living with a SB. Things can change fast and you never know when your version of a 10 will pop up. It also allows you to see if they are back out there looking.

[Grumpyinva]

I've been trying out advice from this thread, and put up a clearly direct and solely finance and fun oriented profile on SA (after taking down my more personable, easygoing one,) and I'm finding a whole different group of SBs saying hello, including some with profiles that I previously would have classified as regular dating types who hadn't figured out they weren't on match.com. More initiate discussions with my new profile than with my more "dateable" one, but I also get a WHOLE lot more flakes. I had one or more POTs scheduled for every day this week, and got stood up and last-minute-cancelled repeatedly, which just doesn't happen as often with my dateable profile. However, I have a truly excellent prospect on Friday, who has been in regular daily contact, multiple times a day for several weeks, and with whom there's excellent conversational chemistry. In my experience, if the messaging game is this good, the outcome of the actual date is always positive.

I also had a last minute SB ping me (on my direct-not-dateable profile) while I was answering mail one evening earlier this week, and I suggested we meet for drinks in an hour. She showed up, was cuter than her pics, and we wound up moving from an hour of pub-grub and drinks directly to the FC, where we chatted for another hour, then wound up with an absolutely unbelievable night where she hinted afterwards that she wanted to fall asleep in my arms. So we did, until my alarm went off and I left to run home for a change of clothes for work. There was no mention at any time of $ expectations, and it was like a perfectly normal date with a nice twenty-something girl who's only just getting by, though I had planned to leave $1 if we wound up in a private place instead of a bar. I wound up bumping it to $1. 5, which is the limit of my budget for regular meetings. I couldn't, in good faith, put her at the $1 level after hours of play time and an overnight. She absolutely gushed over that, when she found it in her purse after I left, and has arranged a repeat performance ASAP.

That made up for a LOT of flakes, I have to say.

Anyway, my reason for leaving this report was to share what I thought was the funniest profile to hotlist me this week. It's from a relatively cute girl-next-door type, who says:

"I will give you what you want. My request is simple. I have done this before and I am looking for the same arrangment. Looking for a weekly allowance and gifts when you see me. The allowance starts the week before we meet. So I know you're serious about this. Other than that anything goes".

I resisted the urge to write her "allowance a week before we meet? Does anyone fall for this stuff?" and just politely ignored her.

[IluvSmellyFish]

So my SA account expired last night and I ended getting messages from two pots that just signed up for their accounts a day or two ago. The curiosity is killing me since I the love to see if they wrote something like "hi daddy, I want to do anything to please you. ".

More likely it will be some sort of bland response like "thanks for the complement" or some such.

Part of me wants to drop the nominal sign up fee just to make sure I'm not leaving anything on the table. The big head is telling me that it will be a waste of time and money. Besides, if I am trouble finding time to spend with my current rotation, there is no way I am going to be able to add another one in the mix.

I have a date with sb 4 tomorrow and sb3 on Saturday. Both are daytime events. I have overnight trips planned with sb 1 and 2, each for one of the last two weekends this month. A date planned with sb 5 later this month during the day as well. Between work, my real life, and the bowl, somethings got to give.

As I type this, I am resolved not to sign up again. Besides, if after the next two weeks, one of the sbs gets upset about me not having enough time for them, I might just resign up then to fill that hole. Unfortunately, I've found that my game tends to require more costs upfront with real dates and such. So keeping the existing rotation will be easier on my budget.

Good luck gentlemen. May the bowl be good to us all.