"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Fred, I suspect that it is just a cyclical thing. Sometimes there is so much available that it's embarrassing. Other times it's a drought.

I notice it a lot because I am a serial sugar bigamist. I started with a married woman years ago privately, but since then it has been a MILF and under 25 spinner combo for different nights. However, they normally last for several months before a vacancy occurs, so I might go for months without looking. So, when I restart a search for a replacement, I notice changes that someone day to day might not. At the moment, where I am, it is great. Fantastic. In six months time, however, it will probably be lousy.

My two SB recently moved on, sigh, but in the last two weeks I have "interviewed" two pot MILFs and one spinner. At the M&G with the second MILF, she said that she was very good at following instruction. She was. For $150 the night. F**k, a genuine sub. And her parting gesture of kneeling down to beg for it at the end was a thoughtful touch. Probably I have me a new MILF at least now. Let's see if she repeats.

I think I am done looking for MILF's. I see what it would take to get an attractive one in my area. And I just don't have what it takes, financially or otherwise. I had one for 3 years (haven't seen her for 3 months)(and I see she is back on SD4 M). I may see her again but every date we had planned got canceled. I can understand if they still look good at 40+ they know they are a rare breed. It's a game I just can't play.

[FotoGuy1970]

I recently found out about this forum.

What does SA, GPS, POTS mean?

Thanks.

SA = Seeking Arrangement, arguably the biggest SD / SB website.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. Any woman who has an unrealistic and high expectation of compensation for her services.

POTs = Potentials. A potential SB whom you're chatting with, discussing the arrangement with, etc. But have not sealed the deal with.

[PghGuy2005]

I recently found out about this forum.

What does SA, GPS, POTS mean?

Thanks.

[RubberyMan]

Fred, I suspect that it is just a cyclical thing. Sometimes there is so much available that it's embarrassing. Other times it's a drought.

I notice it a lot because I am a serial sugar bigamist. I started with a married woman years ago privately, but since then it has been a MILF and under 25 spinner combo for different nights. However, they normally last for several months before a vacancy occurs, so I might go for months without looking. So, when I restart a search for a replacement, I notice changes that someone day to day might not. At the moment, where I am, it is great. Fantastic. In six months time, however, it will probably be lousy.

My two SB recently moved on, sigh, but in the last two weeks I have "interviewed" two pot MILFs and one spinner. At the M&G with the second MILF, she said that she was very good at following instruction. She was. For $150 the night. F**k, a genuine sub. And her parting gesture of kneeling down to beg for it at the end was a thoughtful touch. Probably I have me a new MILF at least now. Let's see if she repeats.

[FredMoore]

" My success rate has dropped to zero in the last year or so, I think mostly due to a more mercenary profile, and the ones I do make contact with flaking when things get real. ".

Norm!

I am living proof of this. I am clear that I am looking for a sex partner for only indoor activities. It is tough sledding. I am tired of the BS and can't take the Pots out to wine and dine due to my lock down situation. The girls do not want to think of themselves as selling sex, which of course they are, but have to go through the motions of being courted a little.

I have encountered several issues in the new signups this past 3 months.

1) GPS is rampant. Pots are throwing out $500 to 1000 per visit, and one cutie wants $2000 / month. Now I have spent more than that in the past, but no pussy is worth 500/ pop. It is all pink on the inside and everyone is an 8 in the dark. A trashy blond turned down my offer and said $500/ meet is her absolute minimum.

2) No sex Lots of Pots offering companionship for a free meal and a nice allowance.

3) no married men More and more popping up.

4) no cars: this eliminates me since I cannot be spotted driving around town with a hot babe, plus pickup and delivery services add an hour + to the date. Difficult when time is limited.

5) live at home: many youngsters live with parents and don't drive. Some of our fellow mongers say they pick the girl up at home just like a date. Risky!!

[WoodSlinger]

Where do you find / download the mobile app for SA? My profile has expired a month or so ago, and I'd love it if the app were a back door. SDFM often allows access for a time after their trial period is over. I just assumed it was a tech issue that was being obscured by the buckets of cash pouring in.

Off to Nola in a few days to see my Music Baby! I am trembling with excitement!

Scott.

I installed it last night, as my 30 days is up in a couple of days. Maybe the back door will work for me. I also noticed that the mobile app has a feature that is not on the web interface. "Near Me" seems to show who's online and once I logged in starting getting messages from profiles I had not run into on the web searches. Interesting.

[CaneBay]

My guess, not her first rodeo, but heck, she is 47.

Hi everyone,

I found this thread and as my location does not have one for SB, I'm asking here.

Met on SA. Lady is very attractive 47 yo and all her private and public pics are pics of her wearing a two piece bathing suit. She wants to meet for M&G, has similar story as many- son in private school, etc. I checked Tineye and none of the pics showed up. I'm a newbie at SB and wonder if flags are present? Reason being is most others I've seen don't have such suggestive pics.

Cruiser45 and Memphis.

[Dandy Don]

Last week was such a disappointment I trying to focus and narrow the field a little.

The 34 MILF I basically told her while I was still interested in her I just got the vibe she wasn't all that interested in me and that essentially I was done trying. I normally always tried to cut ties in the most positive way possible but I was tired of her texting me things like "Hey" and then when I tried to engage in conversation or throw out possible meeting times get no meaningful response. So haven't heard from her since.

While I haven't cut ties with 23 mixed grad student, I basically let it be known that I was more than a little perplexed by the fact she seems to like me, we seem to click, yet she won't meet. What am I supposed to make of that? She keeps saying because of "past experiences". So I don't know which one of you guys spooked this girl but I am no longer putting much effort and mentally I have moved on.

So I actually had a M and G with 19 white girl, who is only about 20 minutes from my door, face 8, body 10. In fact, she sent me a most unexpected pic the other night and it made me reevaluate what I thought a nice body was. She seems nice enough although I detect some BS about her background story and I am a little weary of her. I did advance some cash which normally I don't do. But I didn't care because I really wanted to meet her. I even had her show me her tattoo so I knew the pic was really her. I think her expectations are going to be high, but to me, the potential memories are worth it.

Still working a 22 from POF. Our schedules never meet up but I think it will work out eventually.

Also, 19 white girl who I have been chatting up from a non-SB site. I seem to be good at chatting with young women. This would be a non-SB relationship if I can continue to intrigue her. She knows I am attached but just seems to want to experience things with an older guy.

[Cruiser45]

Hi everyone,

I found this thread and as my location does not have one for SB, I'm asking here.

Met on SA. Lady is very attractive 47 yo and all her private and public pics are pics of her wearing a two piece bathing suit. She wants to meet for M&G, has similar story as many- son in private school, etc. I checked Tineye and none of the pics showed up. I'm a newbie at SB and wonder if flags are present? Reason being is most others I've seen don't have such suggestive pics.

Cruiser45 and Memphis.

[Norm Gerd]

I think the question I have has been touched on before, but not asked directly. So here goes. I frequently am able to track down SB's real info based on their profiles. Often because I am not a member of the particular site they are on, and to see if they are for real. Has anyone who has ever done found a SB's real info ever successfully reached out to a POT though means other than the actual SD websites? If you aren't friends with them on FB, they mostly won't see your messages if you sent one. And honestly I think it might creep them out. There is even a pro who was on a SD site, who it turns out was going to other cities to escort but not doing it here at home. It's obvious she was keeping her professional activities in other cities a secret here, but at the same time, DID have a SB ad here locally. Also, I know what her rate was, and obviously with no agency cut, if I could arrange it, I should be able to get a good deal, but not sure how to reach out.

Norm!

[Norm Gerd]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I personally don't think you made a mistake. A lot of these ladies get cold feet when it's time to actually get down to details, or plan a date. Or show up for a date. One college POT would regularly disappear as soon as I mentioned a M&G. Then she would pop back up and be enthusiastic about getting together, then disappear as soon as I suggested a date / time. Another super hot POT also disappeared after some positive initial emails. Also keep in mind, they may have met another SD, or a real life boyfriend. As far as when to broach the subject of "how much" I think it boils down to your comfort level. If you are ok going into a M&G without a number established, go for it. I have had it go both ways when $$$ are not discussed up front. One became the best SB ever. She was obviously very happy with the allowance, as we saw each other for quite some time. I actually still miss her but she moved away. Incredible body. Oooofff, so awesome! I could bang it out as many times as I wanted. Our first date I think we went 4 times on a Sunday afternoon. Eventually we wound up doing overnights at her place as she lived alone. Of course there is a danger to not discussing the cash up front which is the reaction. One SB on the extended M&G asked for an outrageous amount. We had spent most of the day chatting and walking around. And we both felt bad about not reaching a deal. Plus, she was model quality hot (she had actually done some modeling. I found her info). So coupled with her sob story, and how much I wanted to bang her, I wound up making a deal that was over my normal amount. And she had no car and couldn't host. It lasted three dates before I tapped out. I still have fond memories of her riding me though, so in the end, perhaps the memories made it worth it. Ironically, she has moved away, and through FB I can see she has garnered a little fame in her new town. Little does anyone suspect she used to bang for cash.

Keep in mind that depending on your city, and the type of woman you are interested in, you may have a lot more failures than successes. My success rate has dropped to zero in the last year or so, I think mostly due to a more mercenary profile, and the ones I do make contact with flaking when things get real. If I liked AA women, I would be swamped, as they write me all the time. I just have no interest.

Norm!

[FredMoore]

So, I live in a somewhat small town (compared the bowls some of you live in). Most people around, are only one or two persons removed from someone I know.


So, here's my question. When / if you guys take a SB on a trip like that, how do you work the gift? Is the gift the trip itself? Or do you compensate them for their time while there?

I would find a girl who will be happy with the trip itself. THe SB might have to take off from work and lose that income, some will demand daily rates -it can be all over the place. Brandon of SA fame has a travel site (misstravel, etc) ? A loaded Daddy might give the girl a spending allowance to go shopping.

[HollywoodGuy]

Asked this one upfront about a specific sex act. Its like asking for GFE. Her response.

"Thanks for taking the time to write me but honestly I hate (the requested act) LOL. I don't think I'm your match, good luck take care!

Big time saver. I get a fair amount of these. Most likely a UTR with a menu as she didn't mention anything about my offer amount.

[Almighty]

So, I live in a somewhat small town (compared the bowls some of you live in). Most people around, are only one or two persons removed from someone I know.

So, I was doing my normal perusing of the POTs, and got a couple hits and got some info on them (once I can get a phone number or email addy, I'm usually pretty good at tracking them down. Usually to their FB page or something where I can find more pics and get some idea of what they do / lifestyle).

Found out a couple POTs had also been SB's of a guy I know (don't know personally, but know who he is, we have a few mutual friends). He's older (probably pushing 60) but is hooking up with these SB's that are 20-30. Anyway, he's got pics up on his fb page, and in the last 6 months, he's taken them to places like key west, and some other place (maybe New Orleans?

So, here's my question. When / if you guys take a SB on a trip like that, how do you work the gift? Is the gift the trip itself? Or do you compensate them for their time while there? I'm actually thinking of taking a trip to Vegas this summer, and was thinking of taking one along, and was wondering, if I pay for the our plane and hotel (and meals and stuff while there), do I also need to be coughing up extra just for hanging with me? I'm thinking no. But I'm kind of a cheapass, so.

What's your guys' take on this? Anyone here have any experience doing that stuff?

[HollywoodGuy]

I sent my 123 intro letter to an obvious GPS girl. Here is her response.

"I'm simply avoiding anyone looking for sex for spare change. In fact I don't like the transaction aspect at all so I use those seeking sex in exchange for support as a red flag. Are you one of those types?

Me? Never. LOL.