"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TopGun9]

Been fucking with a baby for the last few months. Told her I want to go raw and go take an STD test. Well the results came back. Everything was clean except for HSV1 (oral herpes).

Would you fuck a baby raw knowing she has oral herpes? Haven't even fucked her again (even covered) since the results. Maybe best to move on.

[S2568]

So I get this girls response after contacting her she is DTF but has an unusual request that her BF who will be in the next room -for her safety- has to be there when she meet for FC.

So when I said no she did not want anything more to with my offer.

Has this happened to anyone else how did you guys handled it, she is hot and love to take her to FC.

https://www.seeking.com/messages/inb...6-94dea9e10dc4

[ItsAHobby45]

Any info on this one? Started texting and pretty quickly got her down to $$ everything bare. Agreed to meet that evening but only had about an hour so made arrangements to meet tomorrow at her place. Anyone else have a scouting report?

https://www.seeking.com/member/0c22d...c-de507beb672e

I talked to her for a bit but she game me the pro vibe or at least utr vibe which isn't my thing so I passed. Definitely report back on what you find because she's very visually appealing.

[Dimples572]

Any info on this one? Started texting and pretty quickly got her down to $$ everything bare. Agreed to meet that evening but only had about an hour so made arrangements to meet tomorrow at her place. Anyone else have a scouting report?

https://www.seeking.com/member/0c22d...c-de507beb672e

[HappyHunter44]

Excellent report. I've had similar experiences, except one I met has become a keeper, going on 9 months now. Realistic expectations, be honest and polite (as much as possible) and avoid the time wasters...

I am already thinking of making the one 19 yr old my regular. She is kind of already, as I have seen her the most so far. Amazing the difference between 19 yr old pussy and 28 yr old pussy. Those 10 yrs do take a toll.

I agree about the polite part. Amazing how the girls react when they realize I am actually polite and not faking it. Several have mentioned it; therefore, I assume they go not get it much because it stands out to them. Time wasters. Yes, I learned to spot them based on everything I read on this thread before joining the bowl, so luckily I never had to deal with them or learn the hard way.

What is really cool about being polite and not ghosting is that I have been off the bowl now a month and in the last 3 days I have gotten texts from girls who apologized for not being good at communicating the first time around and asking would I like to try again. One is really hot, so I might. But, my dick is loving that 19 yr old.

All of this for $90. Sure beats BP, CL and STG. Especially since they spend hours riding the horse, not minutes.

[BlueEyedMan58]

They never cease. Been chatting with a cute 23 yr old single mom. Based on pics, face a 7-8, body a 6 maybe-- curvy. Been hard to arrange a meeting time due to her work, and we finally agreed to meet in the parking lot of a sandwich shop near her office tomorrow during her lunch break. Then I get this email: "Do you want to have like a 30 minute conversation and see we're things go from there. I'd love to give you a blow job as well. That way you'll know I'm serious about our possible arrangement?" LOL! I'll report back.

[Hal1957]

Excellent report. I've had similar experiences, except one I met has become a keeper, going on 9 months now. Realistic expectations, be honest and polite (as much as possible) and avoid the time wasters. I travel a lot, so I've sampled several markets. Charlotte, Atlanta, Knoxville and Richmond are all pretty hot with lots of SBs to choose from.

Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.

It is clear that some did not get why I am writing this. It is definitely not to keep score with anyone or think I have to report back every girl I nail or don't nail.

(Body redacted for space)

Many thanks again to all the seniors and posters that helped me on this. I must say my money and one month have been well-spent because I avoided many of the pitfalls which would befall a newbie in the bowl. I am still a newbie, but got tons of guidance from this thread to literally mimic a veteran. When these SBs dry up, as they eventually will, I will re-up for another month and do it again.

[HappyHunter44]

Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.

It is clear that some did not get why I am writing this. It is definitely not to keep score with anyone or think I have to report back every girl I nail or don't nail.

This is for newbies to see the results of a specific process used by another newbie and for them to take pieces that may work for them. It is much easier to have a system that one can see what someone did step-by-step and ascertain if it might work for you. In short, there is much value in seeing a process and the results of the process with the given steps in between.

Of course, others are free to chime in and state their different opinions and experiences, as they have been doing. These differences have increased value when one can put it into a personal system and judge the outcome by changing a step or two.

Here is the link to my first report from back in August:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Not&p=4421087#post4421087.

Here are links to my answering a couple questions:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Not&p=4422301#post4422301.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Not&p=4422327#post4422327.

I will start from where I am currently and explain in reverse how I got here.

Numbering continues from earlier post in August:

15. I am no longer on SA, as I let my membership lapse after only one month. Simply, there was no need for me to be on there anymore. At least for now.

16. In one month, I have 2 active SBs, 1 who I have a first FC date in 2 days, and 2 who I am still working on to meet. (Total of 5).

17. It took 32 days from my signing up to my first FC date. Had 7 other sure chances much earlier than that but turned those down because of basic GPS. They were not worth what they were asking. Based on my standards that is. I already stated in other posts what type of babes I like and that I would never pay higher than 2 Benjamins for any babe.

18. The best experience so far was a double-header in same night. Met one SB for a 2-hour session in the FC - (SB #1 details. Really cool chick, 19 and slender and literally does everything that is asked of her. Interesting in that she is incredibly smart. She is always on time and checks in the day of the meet without prompting and and is just fun). Blew loads deep in her both times.

After that session, took a 2 1/2 hr break and SB #2 arrives at the FC. This was to be only a meet and greet with no horizontal dancing. Just to meet and talk to see if we get along. I am not interested in girls I do not like. Been there done that on BP and CL. I brought her a bottle of wine as a gift ($10). We agreed in advance there was to be no sex. Which was fine by me because I already knew I would have fun before she showed up. She does not even take off her jacket for like 10 minutes as we talk and I keep my physical distance showing respect.

I have no idea when she switched mindsets or why, but I soon realized that her jacket was off, her shoes off and also her sock-like stockings were off and she sat up further on the bed. I really did not pay it any mind because we were watching this movie while talking and I figured she was liking the movie. Since I had agreed to no sex earlier that day in a text, I was just feeling her personality out. She was very smiley and a bit talkative, but not in an annoying way.

The next thing I know she slides over a bit to the side of the bed I was on and places her bare feet up against my leg. I placed my hands on her feet and rubbed bit, but nothing crazy. Next thing I know she lays down next to me while still watching the movie. Well, it is clear what is up, but I said to her - "We agreed on not doing anything and I am only expecting to meet and greet and that I did not come prepared for anything else. " And that is true. I never travel with I'd or more money than agreed to the FC (I check in then lock I'd, wallet etc in car), so I had zero $ because I gave all money to SB #1 three hours before. She then slides up even closer to my face and says she remembers our conversation, but sometimes the unexpected happens. She then kisses me and does not stop.

Next thing I know its 60 minutes of intense FC action with me blowing another load inside this one. After, she takes shower, we talk for another 30 minutes and she leaves with the wine never asking about money and happy as as a lark saying how good it was and what a nice night she had. Also texts me when she got home safely. I texted her and said I will catch her next time (meaning some $) and she says she knew I would do that. Give her credit. She read me correctly. (SB #2 - 28, slightly older than I set out to go for, not as super slender like the first one, but in great athletic shape and fucks like a champ. Awesome kisser.).

19. Have had a total of 5 hard meet and greets scheduled. 4 went off as planned and 1 ghosted me at the meet-up place. I cannot complain. So far 80% meet and greet success rate. I do not pay for meet and greets. Only pay when clothes have come off. I also do not schedule meet and greets all over the place. I scope out heavily with texts first and weed out, as much as possible, the not serious ones. One of the meet and greets I told girl thanks, but no thanks. Misrepresented her pics big time.

As one poster pointed out, it is smarter to schedule FC meet ups close to the date - 2 days out max, which increases success rate. In my case though, the 2 SBs I am doing both plan a week in advance and do follow through without issue so far. So, responsible ones are out there in terms of scheduling.

20. Had 3 other tentative meet and greets (nothing firm set, just a potential day to meet) - these 3 ghosted me 1 to 2 days prior, so that was that. I do not count those as anything because never had anything concretely planned and I did not change any plans to be with them. And in those cases, the SBs never checked back into their accounts for like 1-3 weeks and after that just disappeared. Therefore, they were not really serious in my book. Maybe they all found one SD and left, but I doubt it.

21. To get the 5 SBs I am talking to, here is the breakdown of the message count:

- Sent 158 "Intro / hello" messages.

- Of the 158, 41 never responded because they were literally gone off the site w / in 7 days of my message. Either they deactivated their accounts or never checked back in again. (I checked using another account and only 1 blocked me). Therefore, only 117 were viable SBs.

- Of the 117, I got responses from 92. (I suspect 25 no responses were either they did not like what I said in my profile and / or I have no pic. There were 4 who expressly responded that my no pic was a deal breaker).

- Of the 88 left, I got 33 to switch to text within 2 to 3 messages max. A 38% conversion to text rate. There is only one chick that I have a string longer than 4 messages. And I am still talking with her. Got her to switch to text after like 30 messages. I call her my long-term project. A shy hot-as-hell college senior. (The 55 other responses I let them know it was not good match. I based my decision on various reasons: lack of communication skills; telling me they wanted to message for a while first. How long is a while? To heck with that; obvious immaturity to the point of annoying; answering questions with tons of silly non-descript emojis; telling me platonic-only when their profile indicates otherwise; saying they never use text only SA messaging; asking me to use Kik and Snapchat instead of text).

- Of the 33,14 were no-go deals in that they had GPS and no way was I paying 250 - 300, so no meet and greet or FC was ever scheduled. It was they who brought up $$ and were upfront about "How much?" As I stated before, I never bring up $ until the meet and greet and I actually see them. So this leaves 19.

- Of the 19 left, 14 kind of just died out in that we talked but seemed impossible to schedule and I just let them go. I did not ghost, I just said get back to me when you have time. Of those 14, only 4 are still active on SA. Most profiles still up but they have not checked-in in weeks.

- Of the remaining 5, have had FC fun with 2 (now seeing regularly) and another coming on line to FC in 2 days. That is more than enough for me for now - 3 in rotation is almost too much still. 2 is optimal.

- Total days spent getting SBs from start to finish: 35 days.

22. There is an understated goldmine subset on SA. The amount of ads that say "Do not waste my time"; "Most people on here are fakes and I hope you are not one"; "Real people please"; "If you are not interested in meeting, do not message me"; "No endless texts"; etc. Is quite numerous, For the hot ones who say something like this, I make it clear I am real and ready and the response with phone number is over 95%.

23. The amount of girls who complain in their profiles not to waste their time explains bit why I got what I wanted. I do not waste time with endless texts or ghosting girls. If I do not want to meet them, I tell them so. I have gotten several texts thanking me for my honesty. Seriously, what I have found is just be real, keep your meet and greet date, and tell them upfront what's up. By simply doing this, your chances go up a lot.

24. I mentioned earlier that I do not talk $$ in my messages or texts and I tell SBs I will discuss $ only in person. However, if pushed for something on the $ front, I do say I do ppm, which 90%+ of the SBs seem to prefer. At least, where I am they prefer ppm. Cannot speak for other areas. So, while not discussing actual $$, I do make clear that ppm is on the table; therefore, they know that will be part of the meet and greet discussions. I do not deal wth SBs who want allowances.

25. I have been hit on by a couple who want to go out to dinner etc and get to know me etc. I passed on those. I am not into the free dinner crowd, and I bet majority of these are scammers of some type. Even if that means just dinner and then ghost you. That in my book is a scam if they know you want more than that.

26. Unlike actual hookers on BP and CL, 99% of SBs cannot host. At least in my area. That does put a lot more into the planning required. Lining up hotel, parking car away from the hotel, paying for the hotel in a way that is hidden (I do have an SO). If hotel rooms / sneaking around that way is tough for you, then SA probably is not for you. Also, in my area, they all have jobs or are in school full-time, which makes scheduling tough. I weed these time-sinks out because I have no time to waste just trying to meet.

27. One key thing that makes this easier for me is I do not set up anything that is specifically for an SB. None are worth that time or energy. That is, if an SB flakes on me (which I expect to happen), I already have something else I must be doing in the area, so my time is not wasted. Like the one who ghosted me at the meet-up. I had to be in that exact area that day already and at that time. And I never get the room until the SB is in my company, so no advance FC payment $ can be ghosted away.

28. What are these girls' boyfriends doing? It's like cuck-central out here. Everyone of the SBs have a boyfriend and still let me CIP with no issue. Seriously though, keep head on a swivel based on this. Who knows when their SO might find out. In my discussions, 90% of SBs have boyfriends. A couple are engaged.

29. Total $ spent for 8+ hours of FC fun so far is $674. This includes SA membership for 1 month, FC costs and SB payments. I was able to negotiate $100 ppm with each SB for 2 - 3 hrs. And so far each has spent 2+ hours at the FC. One was 4 hours total because we went to a happy hour before. Total includes $10 for bottle of wine, a coffee, a soda and the $25 Happy Hour bill. (As for FC, found a great little place that agreed to give me a king-size bed and room for $65 Sunday - Wednesday nights, so that is 4 cheap available nights each week. Gives me same room each time).

30. So, how do I get away with $100 ppm? Simple, I show up. Each SB I have met / talked to so far has said that 85 - 90% of guys ghost them AFTER agreeing to meet and setting a date, time, place and a ppm rate. (Explains No. 22 and 23 above). Therefore, relatively, I am a great deal because I show up, never waste their time, they actually get $ plus have a good time to boot.

In closing, I still do not know any of their names and they do not know mine. We spend all this time together, in the FC banging, shower together, yet no names or personal info ever used. I did check the I'd of the 19 yr old. Looked so young, but she hid her name and address when she showed me her license. Also, we all agreed if we meet in public to simply ignore each other if we are with other people. Flash a quick smile, sure, but nothing else.

Many thanks again to all the seniors and posters that helped me on this. I must say my money and one month have been well-spent because I avoided many of the pitfalls which would befall a newbie in the bowl. I am still a newbie, but got tons of guidance from this thread to literally mimic a veteran. When these SBs dry up, as they eventually will, I will re-up for another month and do it again.

[Ernest Ll]

From report:

"For each of those three diseases, rates in the District of Columbia were higher than all states. ".

Thanks, Bill.

[Lost Soul]

From report:

"For each of those three diseases, rates in the District of Columbia were higher than all states. ".

We might all want to stay covered.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...cid=spartandhp

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[Truncated]

Anybody ever had any success with a girl who "favorites" you out of the blue? Obviously not the ones in Vladivostok or Manilla, but ones in your own city? Also not the ones who are 40+ and not all that attractive looking for a life-mate or whatever. But cute college age hotties, usually with minimal bios. My guess is I get 2-3 of those a week, I message about half of them thanking them for the designation and asking if they'd like to meet. At that point it's 90% crickets, and as I sit here thinking about 6 years on and off of SA, I can't recall a single FC trip that began with a girl favoriting me. Anybody else do better?

I've had success with a few girls doing that, but their profiles were detailed. Not the single sentence ones.

I also think that when a legitimate SB favorites you, it's their way of swiping right like they would do on Tinder.

90% crickets isn't a big deal. You're looking for the 10% who answer. That's pretty normal on SA. Or any dating app. Women on sites like SA are overwhelmed with messages. Be happy they notice you are real, and respond. Many of them are fooled by scammers who use fake pics and make big promises.

I agree about avoiding the 40+ ones on SA. Anyone looking for a soul make on SA isn't playing with a full deck of cards.

It's fun to stick your dick in crazy. But not 40+ crazy.

[BlueEyedMan58]

Anybody ever had any success with a girl who "favorites" you out of the blue? Obviously not the ones in Vladivostok or Manilla, but ones in your own city? Also not the ones who are 40+ and not all that attractive looking for a life-mate or whatever. But cute college age hotties, usually with minimal bios. My guess is I get 2-3 of those a week, I message about half of them thanking them for the designation and asking if they'd like to meet. At that point it's 90% crickets, and as I sit here thinking about 6 years on and off of SA, I can't recall a single FC trip that began with a girl favoriting me. Anybody else do better?

[BStreet]

We might all want to stay covered.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...cid=spartandhp

I'm right there with you. It's worth rolling the dice just to feel that 18-19 fresh meat. I always regret it when I'm done going in raw but those 10 minutes are so with the stress afterwards.

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[ItsAHobby45]

Same here.

You simply just can't resist the urge to fuck these hot young 18 & 19 year old RAW.

I'm right there with you. It's worth rolling the dice just to feel that 18-19 fresh meat. I always regret it when I'm done going in raw but those 10 minutes are so with the stress afterwards.

[TopGun9]

$60 will only get you a gonorrhea and chlamydia test. At STDcheck.com .......Despite catching a STD a few years back and being successfully treated for it, I have slipped back into more risky sex after saying I was going to more careful.

Same here.

You simply just can't resist the urge to fuck these hot young 18 & 19 year old RAW.