Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Waltmore]

A perfect example. You say you've had PMs from seniors telling you she's nothing but a great provider? Sure. Maybe. Maybe not.

You'll never have the whole picture. So you try to have enough to take the risks you're willing to take. I've personally never relied on any single man's perspective. Nobody here can be trusted. Guys lie for all kinds of reasons. Women make men look like amateurs. And there are rules on this forum we can't violate. Otherwise, the things that you would know about a number of the girls might surprise you if we could speak openly about these things.

I've seen a number of girls that I've been warned away from. I have a thing for wayward women. I would guess a lot of us do. There are negative reviews about providers I've seen and have had zero problems with. I weigh them against the rest of my intel. Do I think it affects their business? Maybe. But only if there are a number of negative reports without any positive reports. Even then, if they post on BP or CL, they'll have plenty of business.

So, what are you fighting for?

Facts? Facts in this case, are something you've imagined to make yourself feel better. Only a fool would take anything anyone says here without considering the context. And the context in this case is that very little can be taken at face value. You can't ever stop the lies and speculations. So, you have a choice. You want more intel? This guy's posting intel. It might be speculation, it might be lies, it might even be that he knows a lot more than he's willing to say. If you're not worried about seeing this girl, and you've had a great time with her, post that. It's all more intel and a smart man pieces that intel together to stay safe. If I had a choice between a constant stream of lies, and absolute silence. I'd choose the lies. They at least tell me what people feel they must lie about.

You with your eight posts and the verbosity of a third grader are simply full of shit. Intel is information of military or political value which completely negates any lies or speculation. Speculation can come from intel but not the other way around Lies simply obfuscate what is true. If you think that no one can be trusted on this board then get the fuck off. If you think that a man that enjoys the company of a lady and chooses to defend her because he perceives those that would degrade or impugn that lady are white knights then you have much to learn. I make no claim to being the monger guru around here, my sole purpose on this board is to try and help men, and to a lesser extent ladies, in avoiding the legal pitfalls that exist in an archaic system of justice. It would appear that your purpose is to besmirch and denigrate anyone who does not agree completely with you and you fail miserably in your attempts. Please just shut up for a while and learn and grow. I am confident that you will dismiss my comments as being something less than what they are and yet once again you will be wrong, completely and totally wrong. As always.

[Admin2]

Let me get this right. If a man posts several times, negative things about a girl he has never met, it is good Intel the gentleman here need to make good, safe choices. But, if a man posts positive things about a girl he HAS seen, met several times, it is just useless information from a white knight??

When there are several posts about some chick being shitty over a long period of time then some guy jumps in and talks about her as if she invented pussy then it's a white knight who has offered his testicles to the chick in question.

If it's one guy that fucking hates some chick and is obsessed by her and calls all the other guys white knights who like her then he probably wanted BB anal and she wasn't stupid enough to do it. As in all cases it's always about the average.

If the one that has your panties in a bunch is the second kind I suggest you learn to ignore individual detractors and focus on your clients, there will always be trolls.

A2.

[LusciousLips]

I think he brings up legit concerns, and we can take his info and judge for ourselves.

Also, consider that some guys know the backdraft that comes with raising those concerns and maybe he doesn't want to deal with it or have it affect their hunt.

All you white knight idiots are doing is diminishing the amount of free info we all get by defending her with what amounts to nothing much.

Maybe she is. Maybe she isn't. If I was interested in seeing her I'd want to know all I could when doing so.

Let me get this right. If a man posts several times, negative things about a girl he has never met, it is good Intel the gentleman here need to make good, safe choices. But, if a man posts positive things about a girl he HAS seen, met several times, it is just useless information from a white knight??

This makes absolutely no sense. In order to make an informed decision as to which girl you should see, you need both sides, good and bad. We can only hope the posts / reviews of providers come from the men who actually see them.

Maybe you and Lugnutz can go start your own site. You guys can trash all the girls you have never even seen. No good good reviews allowed. I bet you will have tons of amazing girls waiting in line to sign up. Not that you would care how many girls join,you have no intention of ever seeing them anyway.

[Choochie]

So that is the difference between you and me. Most of my posts have been reviews on the girls I have seen. Some good, some bad. I'm using this forum the way it was set up, to help my fellow mongers make better choices. All of your posts have been either about you or you bad mouthing fellow mongers. How about you post some reviews on the girls. Rant and Rave over on this subject. Be safe.

In this case, the difference is that I am not asking people to accept what I say because I say it.

I'm just pointing out the self-evident reality of the situation. And pointing out that guys who complain about speculation are ignoring that reality.

[Choochie]

I totally disagree. This isn't dating where you have to do that. Everyone of these girls treats all of us the same UNTIL they meet us. Once you are in the door, that is fine if you want to stick up for yourselves, but until you meet them, you will just be a 10-digit number to them and it is certainly worth having to make two trips across town to bang the chick you want. Don't ever bring up that they wasted your time either, because then they will think you feel like they "owe" you something and they won't see you. Just pretend it didn't happen or text from another number. As soon as a girl stands me up, I get concerned that she will ever see that number again, so I text from another number. That is how you get to see the girl you want, don't ever take one single thing or treatment from these girls personally. You can't imagine how many texts they get and you are just a number until the meet. And even then! This game is about fun, not morals.

It's not a moral concern. It's practical. I think that mentality (I'll do whatever it takes to get bang a specific girl) sets a bad precedent. Voicing that kind of attitude on a public forum parades an attitude of general acceptance of these things. It creates a culture of acceptance.

For some of us, it might be worth it to make two trips. For others, 3. For some, it isn't worth leaving the house without a firm commitment. Pussy is, generally, hard to value properly because it fluctuates hourly for each of us.

I completely understand the volume of texts, and the number of guys that must truly flake out on the girls on a daily basis. I also know that many of them are unreliable to the bone, and being poor, live lives surrounded by insanity and chaos. I know.

But the truth is that giving a girl who does this your business, just means she'll see no reason not to do that in the future to all her new customers. If she is serious about being a good provider, she'll eventually read reviews about her, and if she can accept the criticism, she will realize that guys who are reliable appreciate reliability. If she can't. She won't.

But if we all did exactly as you do, we have no reason to expect better. Especially if we publicly agree that it is acceptable, and to be put up with. Understand, I've accepted these kinds of things many times and been willing to try again and again with some gals. I don't even change numbers. But I still think it's stupid that I do it. And I recognize that I am just making things a little worse when I accept it and try again.

In other words: I'm not a skinny guy, telling everyone to stop eating that hot dog and that being fat is unhealthy. I'm a fat guy who knows he shouldn't be eating those hot dogs, and knows that eating hot dogs is a bad idea. Doesn't mean that being fat is okay.

[Davem7643]

A perfect example. You say you've had PMs from seniors telling you she's nothing but a great provider? Sure. Maybe. Maybe not.

You'll never have the whole picture. So you try to have enough to take the risks you're willing to take. I've personally never relied on any single man's perspective. Nobody here can be trusted. Guys lie for all kinds of reasons. Women make men look like amateurs. And there are rules on this forum we can't violate. Otherwise, the things that you would know about a number of the girls might surprise you if we could speak openly about these things.

I've seen a number of girls that I've been warned away from. I have a thing for wayward women. I would guess a lot of us do. There are negative reviews about providers I've seen and have had zero problems with. I weigh them against the rest of my intel. Do I think it affects their business? Maybe. But only if there are a number of negative reports without any positive reports. Even then, if they post on BP or CL, they'll have plenty of business.

So, what are you fighting for?

Facts? Facts in this case, are something you've imagined to make yourself feel better. Only a fool would take anything anyone says here without considering the context. And the context in this case is that very little can be taken at face value. You can't ever stop the lies and speculations. So, you have a choice. You want more intel? This guy's posting intel. It might be speculation, it might be lies, it might even be that he knows a lot more than he's willing to say. If you're not worried about seeing this girl, and you've had a great time with her, post that. It's all more intel and a smart man pieces that intel together to stay safe. If I had a choice between a constant stream of lies, and absolute silence. I'd choose the lies. They at least tell me what people feel they must lie about.

So that is the difference between you and me. Most of my posts have been reviews on the girls I have seen. Some good, some bad. I'm using this forum the way it was set up, to help my fellow mongers make better choices. All of your posts have been either about you or you bad mouthing fellow mongers. How about you post some reviews on the girls. Rant and Rave over on this subject. Be safe.

[Raider1687]

I meant this game is about fun, not manners. Instead of morals. I would change it, but I am on probation until like Summer 2019, so I can't.

[Raider1687]

We pay women for access to things they were born with, and for their time. But we also pay for convenience. At least most of us do.

Fuck man! Have some self-respect. I know it's hard when you want to bang this girl and she fucks you over like this just because she can.

There's no excuse for this shit.

I totally disagree. This isn't dating where you have to do that. Everyone of these girls treats all of us the same UNTIL they meet us. Once you are in the door, that is fine if you want to stick up for yourselves, but until you meet them, you will just be a 10-digit number to them and it is certainly worth having to make two trips across town to bang the chick you want. Don't ever bring up that they wasted your time either, because then they will think you feel like they "owe" you something and they won't see you. Just pretend it didn't happen or text from another number. As soon as a girl stands me up, I get concerned that she will ever see that number again, so I text from another number. That is how you get to see the girl you want, don't ever take one single thing or treatment from these girls personally. You can't imagine how many texts they get and you are just a number until the meet. And even then! This game is about fun, not morals.

[Choochie]

Maybe I'm a white knight and maybe I'm not. I've seen her quite a few times and she has been nothing but a great provider to me. I've also had PM from other seniors about her telling me the same. Maybe she was the girl in Goshen and maybe she wasn't. Now I've posted on the good providers and I've posted on the bad providers. I use this forum to try to get good info on providers before I see them. One of the problems I find is people posting stuff that they don't have all the facts on. Posting just to be posting. We need to concentrate on helping each other, post real facts so we can make better decisions. My rant for the day. Be safe.

A perfect example. You say you've had PMs from seniors telling you she's nothing but a great provider? Sure. Maybe. Maybe not.

You'll never have the whole picture. So you try to have enough to take the risks you're willing to take. I've personally never relied on any single man's perspective. Nobody here can be trusted. Guys lie for all kinds of reasons. Women make men look like amateurs. And there are rules on this forum we can't violate. Otherwise, the things that you would know about a number of the girls might surprise you if we could speak openly about these things.

I've seen a number of girls that I've been warned away from. I have a thing for wayward women. I would guess a lot of us do. There are negative reviews about providers I've seen and have had zero problems with. I weigh them against the rest of my intel. Do I think it affects their business? Maybe. But only if there are a number of negative reports without any positive reports. Even then, if they post on BP or CL, they'll have plenty of business.

So, what are you fighting for?

Facts? Facts in this case, are something you've imagined to make yourself feel better. Only a fool would take anything anyone says here without considering the context. And the context in this case is that very little can be taken at face value. You can't ever stop the lies and speculations. So, you have a choice. You want more intel? This guy's posting intel. It might be speculation, it might be lies, it might even be that he knows a lot more than he's willing to say. If you're not worried about seeing this girl, and you've had a great time with her, post that. It's all more intel and a smart man pieces that intel together to stay safe. If I had a choice between a constant stream of lies, and absolute silence. I'd choose the lies. They at least tell me what people feel they must lie about.

[Davem7643]

I think he brings up legit concerns, and we can take his info and judge for ourselves.

Also, consider that some guys know the backdraft that comes with raising those concerns and maybe he doesn't want to deal with it or have it affect their hunt.

All you white knight idiots are doing is diminishing the amount of free info we all get by defending her with what amounts to nothing much.

Maybe she is. Maybe she isn't. If I was interested in seeing her I'd want to know all I could when doing so.

Maybe I'm a white knight and maybe I'm not. I've seen her quite a few times and she has been nothing but a great provider to me. I've also had PM from other seniors about her telling me the same. Maybe she was the girl in Goshen and maybe she wasn't. Now I've posted on the good providers and I've posted on the bad providers. I use this forum to try to get good info on providers before I see them. One of the problems I find is people posting stuff that they don't have all the facts on. Posting just to be posting. We need to concentrate on helping each other, post real facts so we can make better decisions. My rant for the day. Be safe.

[Choochie]

Hey Lughead, Everybody is still waiting for your first real review as opposed to you trashing girls with innuendo, I think it might be, and "maybes". It's hard enough keeping girls on the forum without guys treating them badly for no good reason. Good luck Luscious and Stay Safe.

I think he brings up legit concerns, and we can take his info and judge for ourselves.

Also, consider that some guys know the backdraft that comes with raising those concerns and maybe he doesn't want to deal with it or have it affect their hunt.

All you white knight idiots are doing is diminishing the amount of free info we all get by defending her with what amounts to nothing much.

Maybe she is. Maybe she isn't. If I was interested in seeing her I'd want to know all I could when doing so.

[Choochie]

Sooooo, I texted this girl because she has a bodacious bod. Says to come over. Asks for picture. Will give me address soon as close. Called several times no answer. Texted. Repeatedly. Finally get an address. Turns out was a few blocks from general area. Went to address--apt. Building. Went in main entrance foyer. Called. No answer. Texted. Nothing. Crickets.

Got back in car. Texted more. Called repeatedly. More crickets.

Drove back several miles, a text comes saying not home, be back soon.

Just don't understand how they do this? Never happened to me but I've read on here before. Can't be good in business like that!

May try one more time only because the bod is so phenomenal. Otherwise I would never repeat.

Sheez.

We pay women for access to things they were born with, and for their time. But we also pay for convenience. At least most of us do.

Fuck man! Have some self-respect. I know it's hard when you want to bang this girl and she fucks you over like this just because she can.

There's no excuse for this shit.

[Member #5446]

What a great day to be out on the boat, nude sunbathing, and of course getting nailed from behind while the local fishermen is watching. LOL Next week I do it all over again.

Sounds like a fantastic boat ride! You Sinful, Sinful Girl! Enjoy!

[Garyhb]

Hey Lughead, Everybody is still waiting for your first real review as opposed to you trashing girls with innuendo, I think it might be, and "maybes". It's hard enough keeping girls on the forum without guys treating them badly for no good reason. Good luck Luscious and Stay Safe.

I don't pay any attention to what Lugnutz has to say. He's always trying to start drama by trashing people for no good reason. He is a drama king that is seeking attention. Just like In the Amish community he should be shunned.

[First Half]

I'm starting to think I like this one.

Ok, I'm beginning to understand the username you chose. Please read my entire response before, once again, posting your assumptions. You do know what they say about people who make assumptions. Exactly!!

Let's try this again my fine gossiping friend with entirely too much time on his hands. Read this response Slowly, maybe it will sink in this time, and then, unless you have Facts, as in I set you up, or you have inside knowledge of someone I set-up, Leave me ALONE! I also asked in my last post for any men I have hurt or wronged to please speak up, and again crickets. No men accusing me of anything, just you, someone I have never met!!

Ok, here we go, remember, read slowly!! There were 2 sisters operating out of Goshen, Loveland and advertising here, on USA. They were seeing clients in a very heavily patroled apartment complex in the middle of a small town. The area became hot. I moved. Once again, get a hobby, for Christ sake, Go SEE a girl, anything! Just leave me alone, You do not know me!