Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[DumbGuy65]

After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.

But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.

I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.

Have fun in Dallas, I go there about once a month for a few days and all I can say is wow! And the AMPs are out of this world, they actually let you pick!

[Tickle Jay]

After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.

But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.

I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.

[Lenny6746]

I been the posts from the THREE REASONS WHY To SUPER2017. Come on now. What a crack of crap. Most providers don't like other providers anyhow. Why They are afraid the other will steal their clients. MONEY LOSS TO THEM. Low end or high end that's what its about. Low end girls are driving the highend away Horseshit. Go to steve s agency. I've never used one or ever will. Don't need it. I've had very few bad experiances With as you call it low end girls. Very few. I don't do walkers. High end girls I guess are okay but I just don't see the point With the high volume of good decent providers we have here on USA and LISTCRAWLER I've been doing this a long time and believe me. The Dayton market is also good. Lenny 6746.

[Glockman]

In the face she looks like Kelly McDonald from the movie " no country for old men".

Yes, she does.

[Observant]

The way I have experienced these things is choosing between a budget restaurant and a fancy restaurant. The food might as well be the same, but the right fancy restaurant enhances the experience.

I had two fav providers from P411 and traveling companions that I used to drop 700 for 2 hours. They were mindblowing. Upscale hotels. Designer shoes, lingerie. Always fresh. Intelligent. True educated professionals.

One of them used to contact me frequently whenever she was planning to come in/around cincy and offer to make a trip to see me. She did come from Columbus for a three hour session. No surcharges. *it has stopped as I usually don't see providers anymore.

The other one showed me her public life and I was floored. She would be someone you would chase to date and get married.

Same example for massages. I usually go an AMP once a week. But once every 6-8 weeks I go see my legit therapist for 160 dollars for 2 hours and it works well for me.

The local fare. Least to say. I have been burnt more than I have enjoyed. Serious case of YMMV in cincy. On a regular day, I would walk by someone like Divine Rachel and not notice (maybe. Or I might be suffering from GDS). But try to setup an appointment and you would think that you are dealing with Aphrodite.

The only two local providers that mostly treated me well and I would go back to were Busty red and Sexii Lexii.

I don't think this discussion will ever end, but I had days where I was happy with 2-3 visits to an AMP and one upscale provider. Usually an out of town one, so I would not be tempted to keep going back.

Everyone should do what they do. What I don't think is cool that smitten people starting to drive the price up themselves as they are enamored by the provider.

Ob.

[Dillsborodave]

Sunny brightens up a rainy day in Memphis.

In the face she looks like Kelly McDonald from the movie " no country for old men".

[Glockman]

Sunny brightens up a rainy day in Memphis.

[Dave Usa]

...So don't assume, and I guess I won't assume almost everyone else is a guy that no one would touch for less than 250.

I think I might be that guy.

[ThatGuy011]

Everyone seems to be speaking for everyone else.

People accuse me of being cheap. But If I go to an AMP and get FS for up to 1.4-1.6, for HHR, haven't I paid much higher than the average here? I mean, I've gone to 2 AMP's in one night multiple times, and those trips put me well above the average. Of course once they've seen me and remember, it does go lower. I've gotten the board AMP fav for. 4, and another old fave for free. I saw one AMP lady twice in 3 days, and talked her super low because 'I've just seen you, I need to take it easy on the wallet' Could I afford it and regular donation? Yes. I wouldn't take the trip if I couldn't, but if she buys it, why would I pay more?

Also I've said a million times USAA advertisers are the same girls you find on the street, just with a room and a phone, and I know I'm not the only one that sees random unicorn SW's. I may be the only one giving good looking unicorn SW's 20 for 'all in' but I'm not the only one that sees them. I will never pay USAA prices for a girl whose level can be had for 20. And again, the better looking girls are still average to guys that are reasonably young and in shape. In Cincinnati, there isn't a girl that I would say I'm 'up-fucking' and that's another reason I'm not paying big bucks average. I have it at home, and she looked damn good before she had my kid, and a wham bam thank ya ma'am, is much easier to deal with than a side piece, because you have to lie to them too, and they may be motivated to ruin your actual relationship if they find out, depending on how they feel about you.

Also, if the offerings aren't great, that's not the fault of the mongers. Young actually pretty girls were common before 2014, even if they were dope heads, it wasn't H like it is now, and 21 year olds looked 19, ect, like they should. 25 year olds, didn't look 50. Heroin is the reason there is no quality. Because everyone complaining about the 'bottom' would not pay more than 50 for the girls from a few years ago, and would be elated not to have to.

Pussy is worth a different amount to different people, some people, it may be because what they can afford, others, such as myself, it just doesn't have worth. I'll spend good to get 'in' at an AMP, and once I'm there, it's going lower, and lower because I can. When I'm old and gross (If I'm gross) then sure, I'll be up-fucking, and will have to pay that premium. Once the novelty of fucking Asians wears off, I won't care about that either. Kim may have been close to twice my age, and Jenny was okay with a good body, not up-fucking. Also something like South American travelers. Not going to pay big bucks for them, because I could go to their shithole countries and get them next to nothing. Them traveling here doesn't make them worth anymore.

So don't assume, and I guess I won't assume almost everyone else is a guy that no one would touch for less than 250.

[Kenal1]

Everyone has a budget, that is a fact. But bargain shopping will drive the better, slightly higher priced providers away from USAAC. One key reason is the fact that many mongers can't read. Or they believe that the rates posted in a lady's ad are "just the opening offer in a negotiation. " I know one woman whose posted rate was $250 an hour. Most of the members here think that is "GPS High. " But in reality it is actually what in other markets would be a deal.

She has had to go back and forth with mongers trying to negotiate her down to a $60 QV (though that is not an option in her ad) or they agree to her rate and then cancel after she has paid the money for a room. We complain of the "my phone died" or "my kid got sick at school" excuses that we know are really the provider's way of attempting to book more men in the time she has to get her next fix. The ladies also hear lame excuses, "something came up at work" or "I was in a car wreck" or the ultimate bull shit of "you didn't answer my text" which all translate to the monger getting a cheaper price from someone else and either NCNS her or cancelling in less than an hour prior to their appointment.

There is a reason that the Cincinnati Gold Standard for hookers, Sarah Tonguetwister doesn't advertise on USAAC. She would NEVER put up with that bull shit. The last time I saw her was about 4 years ago and I gladly paid $250 for an hour. I haven't seen her since, but I would think that she is commanding a higher rate now. Though from what I know of her, she is probably quite happy seeing two guys a day for a total of $500. This allows her to spend time with her family and pursue her real passion of art.

If prostitution or should I be politically correct and sex work were legal and it was controlled by licenses, regular drug testing and STD testing I would hazard a guess that 95%+ of the ladies on USAAC could not get a license. Most are former Backpage and Craig's List SWs with phones. That is why we hear so many complaints about poor communication, poor hygiene and horrible incalls.

If I started a User Group where guys could post only about woman who charged $250 and higher, I bet that there would be only a few posts a month. Those who see the ladies for what they are and seek a higher quality lady are finding them elsewhere. Of course they are also the mongers who NEVER post, just lurk. I guess they feel that posting is beneath them. They suffer the rip-offs quietly which allows others to be scammed just as they were.

Sorry for the extended rant, but isn't that what the Octagon is for? Guys you only have to look in the mirror to see why most of the good women aren't advertising on our sister site.

It seems like these arguments about rates never end. A lot of it is pretty interesting and I appreciate all the opinions. Here's mine: A lot of guys (BTBear touched on it, above) always want to compare the "cheap" or "bargain" rates of Cincinnati to other cities. Well, we don't live in other cities--we live in Cincinnati. Real estate is cheaper here than lots of other places too. Good for us! Let's face it, this is still a somewhat conservative town in a lot of ways. We cringe at ball players making "outrageous" salaries that people in NYC, Boston, Chicago and LA don't think are outrageous at all. Apparently, that same attitude extends into the mongering lifestyle here as well. I say if we're lucky enough to have "bargain" rates around here, hallelujah! And if that means we only get "bargain" providers and high-end, top-notch girls avoid us because of it, well, there's not much we can do about it. Personally, I think there's some pretty nice girls around here and the fact that we're getting "bargain" pricing from them makes them even nicer IMO. I fall into the "conservative" end of things money-wise so even if the high-priced girls came to town I wouldn't see them because they're out of my budget. For you guys who WOULD pay those prices, I feel for you but, unfortunately, it is what it is.

[BTBear]

....Cheapness of mongers: Some of us, including me, don't have a monger budget big enough to indulge in the Eros level chicks, but find the streetwalker scene at the other end of the scale too high risk for a multitude of reasons. So, some of us, including me, make do the best we can with what we have....

Everyone has a budget, that is a fact. But bargain shopping will drive the better, slightly higher priced providers away from USAAC. One key reason is the fact that many mongers can't read. Or they believe that the rates posted in a lady's ad are "just the opening offer in a negotiation. " I know one woman whose posted rate was $250 an hour. Most of the members here think that is "GPS High. " But in reality it is actually what in other markets would be a deal.

She has had to go back and forth with mongers trying to negotiate her down to a $60 QV (though that is not an option in her ad) or they agree to her rate and then cancel after she has paid the money for a room. We complain of the "my phone died" or "my kid got sick at school" excuses that we know are really the provider's way of attempting to book more men in the time she has to get her next fix. The ladies also hear lame excuses, "something came up at work" or "I was in a car wreck" or the ultimate bull shit of "you didn't answer my text" which all translate to the monger getting a cheaper price from someone else and either NCNS her or cancelling in less than an hour prior to their appointment.

There is a reason that the Cincinnati Gold Standard for hookers, Sarah Tonguetwister doesn't advertise on USAAC. She would NEVER put up with that bull shit. The last time I saw her was about 4 years ago and I gladly paid $250 for an hour. I haven't seen her since, but I would think that she is commanding a higher rate now. Though from what I know of her, she is probably quite happy seeing two guys a day for a total of $500. This allows her to spend time with her family and pursue her real passion of art.

If prostitution or should I be politically correct and sex work were legal and it was controlled by licenses, regular drug testing and STD testing I would hazard a guess that 95%+ of the ladies on USAAC could not get a license. Most are former Backpage and Craig's List SWs with phones. That is why we hear so many complaints about poor communication, poor hygiene and horrible incalls.

If I started a User Group where guys could post only about woman who charged $250 and higher, I bet that there would be only a few posts a month. Those who see the ladies for what they are and seek a higher quality lady are finding them elsewhere. Of course they are also the mongers who NEVER post, just lurk. I guess they feel that posting is beneath them. They suffer the rip-offs quietly which allows others to be scammed just as they were.

Sorry for the extended rant, but isn't that what the Octagon is for? Guys you only have to look in the mirror to see why most of the good women aren't advertising on our sister site.

[Bobby Linn]

As I have told this monger before and for anyone else who would like face pics etc:

1. Contact me directly with your request.

2. If you are not a previous client then you will need to go thru the a simple screening process.

3. Receive pics and enjoy!

Face pics are not posted for safety and privacy reasons. Also my regular clients know I do not even post New / UTR ladies.

Thanks EE.

As anyone who has ever visited with any of the ladies from EE, Steve is very upfront and accomadating with supplying pics including face pics. As a matter of fact I contacted him today and requested pics of one of his newer ladies. Within a couple of minutes I had 3 great pics of Anna. Very hot looking young lady, I was just a little late in contacting him to meet her today! Great service in MHO.

[Lenny6746]

The thing is as One provider on listcrawler says ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY. Thats the title to her ad. I will take a 80 to 100 girl over a 300 to 500 girl any day of the week. They don't have to be beautiful I prefer the common girl look any how. They are harder to find but they are out there. I don't mind looking for them and in my opinion they preform better anyhow. Lenny6746.

[UOnlyLiveOnce]

Here is my take on the issues ToddCincy wrote about in his post (#17934) in the USA Classifieds thread:

Limited shelf life of providers: I've never seen the provider he mentioned (TaylorNicole), but yes, I agree the hobby is pretty hard on most providers after a while. Even for the relatively drama free providers who do not appear to have major issues such as IV drug use, it's hard to lead a double life for an extended period.

Cheapness of mongers: Some of us, including me, don't have a monger budget big enough to indulge in the Eros level chicks, but find the streetwalker scene at the other end of the scale too high risk for a multitude of reasons. So, some of us, including me, make do the best we can with what we have.

Low monger self-esteem: I wouldn't say I have low self-esteem, but I do kind of resent the fact that the only action I'm getting is in the hobby. Women in everyday life get more and more insufferable with each passing year. I can't imagine being a young single guy in my 20's today. At the same time, I'm glad the hobby, facilitated by this forum, allows me to indulge in young women I would have no chance of hooking up with in real life.

I don't know whether this is specifically caused by self-esteem, but I too get frustrated with some of the gushing reviews of providers that do not appear to be justifiable. It cracked me up several months ago when guys were saying Busty Red had lost some weight (when she was already slender to begin with) because of working out. Um, no. She lost weight because of drugs. I know, as I saw her right before she dropped out of sight.

Low quality providers driving out high quality providers: I can't really speak to that, as I've rarely seen the high-donation providers. I do know that young, very attractive women tend to not stick around long because they normally have options.

[Kenal1]

When they start the "sweetie, honey, babe" shit I almost always decide not to see them. It tells me there is probably something pretty sketchy about them.

I wish they'd use my name instead of the titles, but it really doesn't bother me. I think many of them do it simply because it's become automatic for them. In fact, I've sometime found myself using it on them. Oh well.