Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Ixmeofne]

There is now thread for the folks that are like the latter you mentioned.

You raise some very good points. I don't think that we can improve the level of quality here, but I do think that the different types of mongers can coexist. I primarily use this site for the following:

1) Stay current on what is going on in the hobby.

2) Read reviews and information on SBs. I have a current SB, but I also like to see what is out there and available.

3) Read reviews of escorts (traveling, EE's, etc), who might meet my standards.

I think that we can all agree that we all have different standards, budgets, likes, wants and needs. Some guys are happy to stick their dicks in any wet hole and have a summer teeth provider give them a gummy. Others are happy to pay for a fantasy date. I just happen to fall under the latter. Quality talent is available, we just have to dig deep to find it.

Buddha. I go back to 2003 with him. He did have some low budget talent available, but there were some gems in the old days. One in particular went on to become a very high priced traveling girl. I won't mention her name, but she had one of the finest asses in the business.

[ThatGuy011]

I too have heard the McDonald's vs Precinct argument. Some would even go so far as to say, "As long as I get off, it doesn't matter what she looks like. Cum is cum. ". Using the fast food analogy, I guess those guys are saying you can get as full and crap it out later on a $10 meal at Mickey D's, than you can get spending $100 at The Precinct. What they fail to consider is that it's not about getting full. For some of us, it's about the whole dining experience; from the appetizer, to the entree, to the wine selection, to dessert, to using real silverware and not just a plastic spork. The orgasm is not the point; the whole experience is the point.

For that, you need more than just a willing and available hole in which to stick in your wicket. For that you need an enthusiastic (or one who can fake enthusiasm well) and attractive participant in the fantasy process.

FOR YOU. The whole experience is the point. The fantasy that some young attractive woman whom is normally well beyond your means wants to worship the ground you walk on, you sexual beast, you!

That's not what everyone's wanting out of it. I'm sure there are some cheap, maybe fixed income folks on here. Personally, I don't do fantasy. Even if I am as attractive, or better than the girl I'm doing something with, that doesn't mean that that girl would fuck me legitimately. I have no misgivings. Said girl is doing this because I have dollars, therefore all I want is to use that body to cum. I don't care about any fake bullshit. I don't need to pretend that I'm on a porno set, or that this girl actually likes or loves me. Also, because she's a convenience, not an upgrade, it's worth less to me.

Also, no one can do anything about who posts ads, and I'm sure 'high end' girls are not avoiding USAA because cheap. AFAIK, doesn't cost anything, and I'm sure if you say 250+/ hr, no one that only wants 80/ hr is going to try to get you to do 80.

[HobbyNewbie197]

I'm completely in agreement that everyone has different tastes and it's not something any of us should be judging each other on. Ultimately, we are all taking enormous risks in this hobby and whatever assistance we can lend each other is hugely beneficial. With that said, I also think some of the reviews of the "lesser attractive" ladies in the forum are absolutely insane.

I recently read a glowing review of a particular provider that sounded great. It was very well written, provided the right amount of details, and raved about how service oriented and attractive this provider was. I figured I'd give it a go. I set the date, met at her incall, walked in and HOLY FUCK. This lady was old enough to be my mom and I'm 40. Not only was she NOT attractive in the least, she was downright ugly. Fat gut, saggy tits, and obvious dental issues. I literally felt like throwing up. Now here in lies the problem. I don't like to hurt a lady's feelings so instead of just turning around and leaving, I gave her half the money and told her something came up and I had to leave. I didn't have the heart to tell her what I really thought.

Again, I get the differences in preference but how can a review be so far off base from reality? And his review wasn't the only one I read that talked this lady up. I feel like they should have said "Great time if you have a drugged out granma fetish" or "Head game is fire as long as you don't get scraped by the broken teeth". Something like that. Live and learn I guess.

Anyway, I think we need another sub-forum here for the higher end and traveling ladies. My preference is hot girls. I feel like my SO is an 8 so my dates have to be at least as attractive but preferably hotter. Again, to each their own. I'm not trying to dog anyone's taste around here. Just think we need to have a better place to research and review the top end of what's out there. Good Day!!

[Willow1535]

You raise some very good points. I don't think that we can improve the level of quality here, but I do think that the different types of mongers can coexist. I primarily use this site for the following:

1) Stay current on what is going on in the hobby.

2) Read reviews and information on SBs. I have a current SB, but I also like to see what is out there and available.

3) Read reviews of escorts (traveling, EE's, etc), who might meet my standards.

I think that we can all agree that we all have different standards, budgets, likes, wants and needs. Some guys are happy to stick their dicks in any wet hole and have a summer teeth provider give them a gummy. Others are happy to pay for a fantasy date. I just happen to fall under the latter. Quality talent is available, we just have to dig deep to find it.

Buddha. I go back to 2003 with him. He did have some low budget talent available, but there were some gems in the old days. One in particular went on to become a very high priced traveling girl. I won't mention her name, but she had one of the finest asses in the business.

You may ultimately be right about the difficulty of herding the cats. But when a tranny posts (I remember it happened a few years ago) he / she was gone within hours. So it can be done. I think the issue is more one of collective will than feasibility.

Like you said, a sizable percentage of the men here seem to prefer Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig. (Or at least they're wiling to settle for them.) The ultimate answer may be that this has become a low-end venue, and there's nothing that can be done about it.

At the end of the day, online communities (just like real ones) do seem to naturally trend toward specialization. There's probably a reason why girls like Bianca Carlisle don't post here, or on the USA classified site. (I would imagine that the problem *isn't* that they don't know it's here.).

They sense, rather, that this isn't their market. Over the years, this has become a venue for cheap, low-end streetscorts and the guys who prefer them. No one specifically planned it that way, but it happened.

Do any of you remember Buddah? I dealt with him back in 2004, pre-USAG days. Back then, his girls weren't necessarily stunners, but they were solidly in the middling category.

Then he came here, and almost immediately he started hiring obese women and addicts. Like, almost overnight. I asked him about it. He basically said (I'm paraphrasing) "You can only get so much when the guys are only willing to pay $80. ".

I think the larger question, for those of us who aren't happy with the quality here, is: Is there any way to improve it? Or is it simply impossible for the two markets to coexist in the same forum / venue?

The metaphor of McDonald's vs the Precinct keeps coming up. You will notice that no one tries to make those two radically different business models coexist in the same restaurant. It may ultimately be the same case here.

[D Nut]

The metaphor of McDonald's vs the Precinct keeps coming up. You will notice that no one tries to make those two radically different business models coexist in the same restaurant. It may ultimately be the same case here.

I too have heard the McDonald's vs Precinct argument. Some would even go so far as to say, "As long as I get off, it doesn't matter what she looks like. Cum is cum. ". Using the fast food analogy, I guess those guys are saying you can get as full and crap it out later on a $10 meal at Mickey D's, than you can get spending $100 at The Precinct. What they fail to consider is that it's not about getting full. For some of us, it's about the whole dining experience; from the appetizer, to the entree, to the wine selection, to dessert, to using real silverware and not just a plastic spork. The orgasm is not the point; the whole experience is the point.

For that, you need more than just a willing and available hole in which to stick in your wicket. For that you need an enthusiastic (or one who can fake enthusiasm well) and attractive participant in the fantasy process.

[Todd Cincy]

But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.

You may ultimately be right about the difficulty of herding the cats. But when a tranny posts (I remember it happened a few years ago) he / she was gone within hours. So it can be done. I think the issue is more one of collective will than feasibility.

Like you said, a sizable percentage of the men here seem to prefer Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig. (Or at least they're wiling to settle for them.) The ultimate answer may be that this has become a low-end venue, and there's nothing that can be done about it.

At the end of the day, online communities (just like real ones) do seem to naturally trend toward specialization. There's probably a reason why girls like Bianca Carlisle don't post here, or on the USA classified site. (I would imagine that the problem *isn't* that they don't know it's here.).

They sense, rather, that this isn't their market. Over the years, this has become a venue for cheap, low-end streetscorts and the guys who prefer them. No one specifically planned it that way, but it happened.

Do any of you remember Buddah? I dealt with him back in 2004, pre-USAG days. Back then, his girls weren't necessarily stunners, but they were solidly in the middling category.

Then he came here, and almost immediately he started hiring obese women and addicts. Like, almost overnight. I asked him about it. He basically said (I'm paraphrasing) "You can only get so much when the guys are only willing to pay $80. ".

I think the larger question, for those of us who aren't happy with the quality here, is: Is there any way to improve it? Or is it simply impossible for the two markets to coexist in the same forum / venue?

The metaphor of McDonald's vs the Precinct keeps coming up. You will notice that no one tries to make those two radically different business models coexist in the same restaurant. It may ultimately be the same case here.

[JustTry]

I totally understand your point, but a point that I want to make is this: if you only have $5 you shouldn't walk into The Precinct and demand to get a steak. So why do so many guys read an ad, see the quoted rates, but still call the lady and try to get them to lower their price? I'm in sales and if someone called me and wanted me to sell my product at a 50% or higher discount I would laugh at them. It's my product my STATED price.

It's demeaning and creates ill will with the provider.

I think the ladies should just reply to a low ball price offer with simply "RTFA" which means Read The Fuckin Ad like we tell newbies to RTFF.

Now if you want to get someone for less, eventually, see them once or twice and pay for just a half hour. After you feel that you are compatible with her and seem to have developed a business relationship, then ask if you promise to see her on a schedule would she CONSIDER giving you a Frequent Fucker Discount.

If not move on you will find someone willing eventually. But you have been business-like and courteous.

If she does, then keep up you end of the deal and see her weekly or whatever was agreed to. Plus keep the arrangements to yourself. Saying "she sucked me for $xx. " in a review only causes her grief.

I see a provider regularly and she offered me a discount without my asking. Same day and time every week. A tip goes a long way also.

[MeadnMrsJones]

You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.

If you guys want to have sex with chubby girls in sweatpants who aren't going to at least ACT like they are into it, couldn't you just stay home and fuck your wives?

Call me a 10%er. A 5%er. A 0. 5%er. I'm not wasting my time on low quality.

[BTBear]

...At the end of the day, if you only have $5. 00 to spend, you're heading to McDonalds for a value meal; not The Precinct.

I totally understand your point, but a point that I want to make is this: if you only have $5 you shouldn't walk into The Precinct and demand to get a steak. So why do so many guys read an ad, see the quoted rates, but still call the lady and try to get them to lower their price? I'm in sales and if someone called me and wanted me to sell my product at a 50% or higher discount I would laugh at them. It's my product my STATED price.

It's demeaning and creates ill will with the provider.

I think the ladies should just reply to a low ball price offer with simply "RTFA" which means Read The Fuckin Ad like we tell newbies to RTFF.

Now if you want to get someone for less, eventually, see them once or twice and pay for just a half hour. After you feel that you are compatible with her and seem to have developed a business relationship, then ask if you promise to see her on a schedule would she CONSIDER giving you a Frequent Fucker Discount.

If not move on you will find someone willing eventually. But you have been business-like and courteous.

If she does, then keep up you end of the deal and see her weekly or whatever was agreed to. Plus keep the arrangements to yourself. Saying "she sucked me for $xx. " in a review only causes her grief.

[Willow1535]

I am 99.9 percent sure that you and I don't share the same tastes in women my friend. I agree, it is your personal choice to see whoever you want to. I just want to make sure that I avoid seeing, if possible, any of the low budget talent that you and others, like you, spend time with.

You want a list. You have probably Been With most of them. LOL And lets get rid of the SW reports also with the low end providers Then we need to weed out the middle priced ones too! That way All of us horny fuckers Would be doing 3 or 4 providers. Hell they would be worn out in a week or so. Then WHAT? Trannys? Not my style, Maybe yours. We don't dictate whos on here as providers. It your choice who you see and fuck. Lets keep it that way Lenny6746.

[Willow1535]

When it comes to heroin addicts, fatties, skanks, etc, I don't think that mongers who seek these types out prefer them. It comes down to what they can afford or what they are willing to pay. Pure and simple. At the end of the day, if you only have $5. 00 to spend, you're heading to McDonalds for a value meal; not The Precinct.

But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.

[Filmbyter]

Listcrawler / alligator, whatever. Has become overrun with spammers and bots. The key is either TGTBT, out of town area code, or only an email listed. By the way, here in the 513 code I don't consider Columbus, Louisville, Cleveland, or Toledo "out of town" for these purposes because many will travel the short distance for a week or so to make some money. Maybe I should have said "out of state?

Anyway, I'm familiar with USA classifieds, but with craigslist and backpage gone, are there any other alternatives? Please PM with any specific advice.

Much appreciated!

[BTBear]

Not to judge another hobbyist's taste...

But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.

[BTBear]

I think one way to weed out some of the Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig would be for USAAC to have a field (s) for a provider to enter a personal website or social media handle. In my experience the providers who take time to develop a website and / or are active on social media like switter or Twitter tend to be more reliable and have their shit together. This is not a perfect litmus test but providers who have very little to zero internet footprint go right to the bottom of the list for me.

As someone who has helped a number of professional and businesslike ladies develop personal websites, with the "Dark Days of 2018" having a personal website isn't as easy as it once was. Gone are the "FREE" sites, ones that have some pop up advertising for other sites for example. It is really a difficult era that we are in now.

USAAC is just one of a very few sites where ladies can advertise for free. It is better than any other out there. Now that being said, many of the ladies who used to advertise on BP and are no better than SW with cell phones have inundated the site and the ladies who are professional and on top of their game are lost in the chaff. By site rules, a lady can only have ONE ad per city, but look at the number that violate that rule. Are you tired of seeing the same ad all day long? I am. I wish the site would take down any additional ad by a provider. The last ad posted should be the one that stays up, Take down any other ad (ads). Make the playing field even for all by each lady only having one ad per city per day.

[Lenny6746]

You want a list. You have probably Been With most of them. LOL And lets get rid of the SW reports also with the low end providers Then we need to weed out the middle priced ones too! That way All of us horny fuckers Would be doing 3 or 4 providers. Hell they would be worn out in a week or so. Then WHAT? Trannys? Not my style, Maybe yours. We don't dictate whos on here as providers. It your choice who you see and fuck. Lets keep it that way Lenny6746.