Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Hillbilly Bob]

Hear, hear, D-Nut.

As I've shared, I'm 52. Women in my peer group aren't in demand like they were in 1990,1995, or even 2005. Nor are they nearly as attractive as they once were. I'm still friendly with my high school classmates. There are girls from my graduating class who I would have walked barefoot through broken glass to bed in 1990, who I wouldn't be interested in at all today. But 1990 was 30 years ago.

Let's get back to Annie Girl:

https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl

If that was an experience that I wanted, I think that I would be able to get that for free. I think most of you could, too.

On the other hand, I could probably not get Bianca Carlisle for free:

https://biancacarlisle.com/gallery/

I'm 25 years older than her, almost twice her age.

And I definitely couldn't get Rosie Averett for free:.

Not sure about you may be able to get her free her pictures are from 2015, 2016 2017 doesn't show what she looks like today.

[BigCat44]

Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.

I am 67 and have a 35 yr old daughter and for some reason I don't want to see someone younger than her. I prefer providers in their 40's or 50's-closer to my age. However I did see someone last week who was 36 and had a great time with this younger woman. I will probably mix them up in the future but still prefer the older, mature MILFs.

[Todd Cincy]

Hear, hear, D-Nut.

As I've shared, I'm 52. Women in my peer group aren't in demand like they were in 1990,1995, or even 2005. Nor are they nearly as attractive as they once were. I'm still friendly with my high school classmates. There are girls from my graduating class who I would have walked barefoot through broken glass to bed in 1990, who I wouldn't be interested in at all today. But 1990 was 30 years ago.

Let's get back to Annie Girl:

https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl

If that was an experience that I wanted, I think that I would be able to get that for free. I think most of you could, too.

On the other hand, I could probably not get Bianca Carlisle for free:

https://biancacarlisle.com/gallery/

I'm 25 years older than her, almost twice her age.

And I definitely couldn't get Rosie Averett for free:

https://tryst.link/escort/rosieaverett

From my perspective, then, paying for GILFs and older MILFs is a bit like walking into a steakhouse and ordering a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for $15. Not that there's anything wrong with PB&J. It's just that you can make it yourself at a fraction of the cost.

Sometimes I wonder why guys seeking older providers aren't simply on dating sites. The last time I was on one, there were gazillions of older women. In the dating market, older, overweight women (back to Annie Girl) really are a dime a dozen.

Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.

[D Nut]

Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.

[BlueJacks60]

Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.

I also have had more enjoyment from the 30+ providers. Madelyn (only saw her once when she returned as Josie) is definitely one of my ATF's. Sometimes hard to get in contact with, but when you did, sessions with her were amazing.

[Kenal1]

Thanks for the feedback, BTBear. It is interesting to read other guys' opinions on this.

As noted, I'm a few years younger than you, but still "up there" at age 52. You graduated from high school in the 1970s. I graduated in the 1980s. We're not that far apart.

What you're saying would make perfect sense if I were pursuing a conventional relationship. If I were on Match or eHarmony, I would probably seek out women between the ages of 42 and 54.

But pay-for-play means a different agenda (at least for me). On the contrary, I want someone who *isn't* age appropriate.

This doesn't mean "barely legal". 18 and 19 year olds are often a lot of trouble. For me, 20 to 28 is the target range, with 21 to 24 being the sweet spot.

My rule is: I don't pay for the company of female peers. I pay for the company of women who would write me off as "too old" for them in real life.

This discussion has been some interesting reading so I'll throw a couple thoughts into the fray.

I'll be hitting 70 before the end of the year and as I reflect back on my monger history, I have to say that I've probably enjoyed the older girls more. First, I "connect" with them better mentally than I do with the 20-somethings and, in my opinion, the older ones generally provide better service. They seem to be more willing to take their time and make the session more of an "experience" vs. A wham-bam-thank-you-Ma'am. I've been with lots of younger girls who hop out of bed and begin getting dressed the moment they know I've gotten off and that's just a huge turn-off for me. Maybe it's because they consider me an old fart or maybe it's because that's just the way they do it. Either way, though, it sucks. As others have said, there's nothing quite like an old guy like me hopping in bed with an attractive, firm, hot young body but, as I've said, the performance and attitude just aren't there more often than not. Of course their are exceptions. SincyCinnamon is, by far, my all-time ATF and she's in her mid-20's.

I think I can sum up my thoughts pretty simply but saying that I really like the THOUGHT of being with hot, young chicks but the REALITY of it is that I'm disappointed more often than with the older gals. Granted, you sacrifice the hard bodies with the older women but the attitude seems to be much better. And it's the "attitude", in my opinion, that makes or breaks the affair. Let's face it, we're all different--different strokes for different folks. Some guys like BBWs, I don't. Some guys like full Bush, I don't. Some guys don't care about kissing / GFE, I do. Some guys really get into Greek, I can take it or leave it. The list goes on and on.

[Hillbilly Bob]

I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears

I am in my 70's love young providers but also enjoy a few older ones. One of the best was Lady J. Don't think any provider could keep up with her. Many time after you see you she would say don't think about leaving I am not done. Glad she is doing well but she is missed.

[Hillbilly Bob]

Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.

RG.

I will agree with you Lady J was one of a kind Madylyn was another. I am older then you an I also enjoy watching a young provider undress. Just watching Dinvin Rachel get necked is a turn on. There are time we will just set on the couch nude an talk for an hour but I always know when I am read I will get to ram my Dick in that tight young pussy. You never have to worry about her place she has the cleanest incall I have been to.

[Todd Cincy]

Thanks for the feedback, BTBear. It is interesting to read other guys' opinions on this.

As noted, I'm a few years younger than you, but still "up there" at age 52. You graduated from high school in the 1970s. I graduated in the 1980s. We're not that far apart.

What you're saying would make perfect sense if I were pursuing a conventional relationship. If I were on Match or eHarmony, I would probably seek out women between the ages of 42 and 54.

But pay-for-play means a different agenda (at least for me). On the contrary, I want someone who *isn't* age appropriate.

This doesn't mean "barely legal". 18 and 19 year olds are often a lot of trouble. For me, 20 to 28 is the target range, with 21 to 24 being the sweet spot.

My rule is: I don't pay for the company of female peers. I pay for the company of women who would write me off as "too old" for them in real life.

Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

Over

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[TechSticles]

Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

Over

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Your use of the word "date" indicates this is more than a simple transaction for fucking. While I'm certainly willing to feed them and all, they are paid to be my cumdumpster.

I'm not looking to win the most decent guy award at a dinner with a hot chick who's time and body I've paid to use.

[RocketGuy]

I have seen providers around age 40 or close to it, but that is not my inherent preference. Twenty-something chicks are my preference, although I've certainly had a good time with some in their early to mid 30's. Whenever I've seen those who were 40 or almost 40, it was more because of convenience and cost.

The guys in their 70's who post here motivate me, actually. I hope to be sticking my sausage in 20-somethings at that age, and I hope to not need pills to make my little soldier rise to the occasion.

Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.

[UOnlyLiveOnce]

I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.

I have seen providers around age 40 or close to it, but that is not my inherent preference. Twenty-something chicks are my preference, although I've certainly had a good time with some in their early to mid 30's. Whenever I've seen those who were 40 or almost 40, it was more because of convenience and cost.

The guys in their 70's who post here motivate me, actually. I hope to be sticking my sausage in 20-somethings at that age, and I hope to not need pills to make my little soldier rise to the occasion.

[Benji513]

You all bring up a good point. That each person's taste in women differ. There are so many different reasons we like a woman. Size, color, age, and many other physical attributes are one reason. Location and time of availability is another. Most men like skinny women, like Leighbby. To me, she is too skinny. I like bigger women. Same thing can be said about age, as some have mentioned.

All that being said, feel free to give your reports. Don't be worried about mongers who won't like that type of woman. Cause there are others who do. We have two sections one for sugarbabies and another for streetwalkers. Some of us might not entertain either of those types. But there are those who do. So as many different types of providers, there are that many different types of mongers. So if you like fatties, skinnies, grannies, druggies, black, asian, or whatever, please post. I would think most of us probably just like variety. So even if a woman might not be our preference, we might just hook up for something different.

[BTBear]

Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

Over

I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.

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[Vinnie Kramer]

First, there is no accounting for taste. So, you will likely never truly understand.

Heck, I got a bunch of crap for seeing that woman that looks like Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. But I was bored at work, trolling on my phone, and she offered a reasonably priced BJ and it was on the way to meet my buddies for drinks and cigars.

It was a total goof but I also have told that story countless times and others fund it humorous. So, it was worth the cost in free beers I have since received but I won't repeat.

I don't understand golden shower fetish either but some people seem to like it.

I usually go for 20 somethings and see Leigh weekly. Some people won't see her because her dental situation isn't great. Go figure.

I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.