Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[BengalMan]

Goodwill,

That is some big heaping scoop of true bullshit you laid out there. A hoax. LMAO!

I do appreciate that besides giving me a very good laugh, your incessantly slanted and misguided research helps me understand the mind of today's republicans. Certainly not the mind of my Republican Party that used to be so intelligent, astute, and balanced. We used to be the "serious" party, and now we're just a bunch of ex-union members and crackpots. Delusional.

[INeedAnother]

For stirring the pot.

But it sure did flush out some truly stupid people.

Good grief.

So. It's the smart people that want to destroy the oil industry and energy production of the US and cause higher prices, and lead to subsequent inflation, and increase taxes that lead to loss of confidence and spending and offshoring of us jobs and manufacturing, and increase government involvement in industry to then lead to more malinvestment in non viable industries all for bullshit ideological reasons. Ok. Gotcha. And also the smart people want a chaotic overrun border with people that subsequently are draws upon the welfare state, and also want to not prosecute crimes and want to defund and destroy policing while all leading to spikes in crime.

You guys are so smart.

And also, it's amazing how you all divine that the founders and Lincoln would be big government, high taxation, central social and economic controlled communists now, simply because it's different. But, communism ain't nothing new. It's been around a long time, and always leads to waste, inefficiency, poverty and eventual starvation.

[Vinnie Kramer]

For stirring the pot.

But it sure did flush out some truly stupid people.

Good grief.

[GoodWill123]

Thank you for proving my points. First, and believe it or not, I'm trying to help you. This is what happens when you let your passion over rule your logic and judgement. So be careful,. OK? I really don't care what you think. What you believe is up to you. But here are the truth points.

Antifa, etc: I didn't say 1/6/21, but rather 2016. Read my post carefully,. And it's a known fact that both Antifa and BLM and other groups were involved back in "DC" 2016 , among other havoc. No one can dispute that.

Muller INv: Actually it went from May 2017 to March 2019, about 2 years. Look it up. Barr's report even had a redacted verison in April 2019. Again, circa 2 years, just like I said. Keep your facts straight OK?

Trump Exoneration: here are direct quotes from the report, and later, Barr himself on several interviews.

"there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy charges against Trump or his associates. The report did not reach a conclusion about possible obstruction of justice of Trump, citing a Justice Department guideline that prohibits the federal indictment of a sitting president. The investigation resulted in charges against 34 individuals and 3 companies, 8 guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial" These are distractions, and "scope creep" form the initial charter of the investigation. You will notice that even with all that, still no connection to Trump of any wrong doing.
Side note: We could witch hunt multitudes of Bush's friend, Obamas, Clintons etc, and find plenty of wrong doing. These "side" cases were nothing more than a distraction against the fact they could find no wrong doing. BTW, he's out of office now. Still no charges. BTW, if you continue to read the report, it says there was overwhelming evidence that Trump did NOT obstruct justice, and that witnesses were found to have LIED, UNDER OATH against Trump further discrediting the credibility of the accusations. AND HERE YOU GO.

1. this one's amazing (: -) . An ex-FBI lawyer is expected to admit falsifying a document that was used as part of the inquiry into alleged Russian interference with the 2016 US presidential election.

"Mueller report: FBI lawyer 'altered email' to wiretap Trump aide":

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53784048

2. And McCabe lied to the FBI about Trump (ultimately): "Andrew McCabe said he lied to FBI about Wall Street Journal Leak":

https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew...t-journal-leak

3. And it was a witch hunt by the liberal media to keep the spin going: Here's a CNN whistleblower comment "Project Veritas says it caught CNN staffer admitting network pushed anti-Trump propaganda" :

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...mp-propaganda. And there's even more, but I don't feel like wasting my Sunday evening on this. This is old news.

Do you at least see it? The Russian investigation against Trump. It was all a hoax! And to think people, many intelligent people, fell for that! The actual interference was Hillary, Obama, DNC, Steel (phoney Steele dossier) illegal FIA warrants, etc. And when Trump became president, much to their chagrin, they had an "oh crap" moment, and decided to spin their own web of lies accusing Trump of the same crime they committed. To hide their crimes. It's as clear as day.

Lastly Bennie Thompson (D-MO) . All your article says is he pushed the orders through. I know that. You didn't address my point! He said he believes it's an over reach! Hello! LOL. Look at what I wrote. Amazing. Anyway, here's the article.

https://www.newsweek.com/11-house-re...mittee-1626092

Here's the direct quote in the article: " copy of Friday's letter shared by Biggs asserted that Select Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, "made an obvious admission" in making the records request, insisting that Thompson is "aware he lacks the authority to rile through the private data of individuals. ".

There you go man. My suggestion, I mean this sincerely. If you're going to debate someone, have the facts, and present the whole truth OK? Like I said, I honestly don't care what you believe, I just live by the truth. And frankly I'd much rather be writing about AMP;'s than this forum. Anyway, I think I proved my points, not about its about winning. I don't care. I'm hungry now and would like to get something to eat. LOL Good luck with your endeavors!

[D Nut]

Easy cop out. Not true. Name one?

Ok. Here's one. You said.

Not one democrat or liberal of high rank apologized for that. Furthermore where was justice during the fake phony Russian hoax / Mueller investigation of 2 years, that frankly ended up incriminating Hillary and the DNC?

Here's my reply below:

Let me point out that the Mueller investigation lasted 10 months, not 2 years. In that 10 months, there were close to 40 indictments (including Russians that were in Russia and could not be prosecuted locally), 7 GUILTY verdicts that resulted in jail time, and $45 million dollars in fines; that's $10 million dollars more than the cost of the investigation, so a PROFIT.

Also you seem to suggest that Donald Trump was exonerated. He wasn't. Bill Barr tried to say so, but in an extraordinary event, Director Mueller said his report did not exonerate Donald Trump, but that the only reason he did not recommend charging Trump was the DOJ's policy of not charging a sitting President. Trump was NOT exonerated.

By comparison, the GOP spent 4 YEARS (2012 to 2016) investigating Hillary Clinton, via 9 different Congressional committees, millions of dollars spent, with Hillary Clinton herself sitting in the witness stand for 13 hours, and. NOTHING. THE GOP found nothing. No crime was shown to have been committed. No charges were ever filed. 4 years, millions of dollars, 9 panels. Nothing.

How about this big one:

the storming of the Capital by BLM and Antifa. .

You're freaking mental if you believe the January 6 insurrection was caused by BLM and Antifa. Every single arrest, every single flag, every single perpetrator was a Trumpster.

And then there's this line.

And regarding McCarthy, like it or not my friend, those rights are protected by law (remember back when we had LAWS?). And get this: it's an admitted over reach by the dems that they cannot lawfully demand these records (see Missouri Democrat comment, Bennie Thompson, who admitted this, just last FRI)..

That's utter BS because it was Rep Bennie Thompson, the Chairman of the house panel investigating the jan. 6 insurrection, was the one who wrote the companies telling them to preserve the evidence.(https://www.npr.org/2021/08/30/10326...o-preserve-rec).

There is no cop out. Like I said, too many lies because these I have provided are just some examples. You asked for one. I delivered more.

[GoodWill123]

Easy cop out. Not true. Name one?

There's too many lies in this post to deserve a response. Responding to them will just validate this treatise written in Fantasyland.

[Usa2222]

I agree with your priorities of middle class growth, empowerment and lower taxation. The problem with your comments is that the Republican party while has preached those things, has been against those things in practice for 40 years starting with Reagan. The everyday pub is duped at every turn from messaging of what a pub is supposed to be. This is so crystal clear with the way Covid, vaccines and masks have been handled starting with individual one, the divider in chief. Never in the history of the country has vaccination and general public health been made into a political divider. Fortunately none of the crap was around with polio and the pox or we'd have a nation of cripples with a short life span. All the while the messengers send their kids to private schools requiring masks while making it illegal for public schools to do the same. This has resulted in pubs dying from Covid at 5 x the rate as dems.

On the economic front, tax cuts and socialism has only been for the rich and corporate America. Government corporate give aways have been 10 x that of the baby mama food stamps and tax breaks fed the wealthy for C-suite execs and stock buybacks, not the middle class. C-suite comp has grown 100 x middle class income in the last 30 years. On purpose. By pub policies. They give the everyday pubs a crumb and scream about being pro-life as long as it isn't actual in this world but want to cut the benefits for the living. When deficits emerge, like the $2 triillion from the last couple of years, they want to cut public programs and middle class benefits like social security, unemployment and medicare, under the guise of budget hawking. Please. The cycle has repeated at least 4 times in 40 years.

So your goals and priorities are laudable but step away from the kool-aid bowl when you are ascribing the proponents of your principles It's all empty messaging, do as I say not as I do. Let's create shit to divide people on while we try to stay in power and drive more of the same.

So abortion and trans bathrooms are your big issues that mean more to you than taxation, massive growth of government and spending and destruction of manufacturing and loss of jobs and loss of real middle class?

Abortion, it's not really an issue of mine. I understand it, but it's practical if nothing else. I don't see it going away and think the Texas law is too restrictive, personally. I'm actually sorry it passed because it will motivate a demotivated dem base.

So make family bathrooms, no big deal. Please try to understand men not wanting to send their young daughters into bathrooms with trans men.

Subpoena personal phone data, for congressional political investigation, not even through warrants? To witch-hunt individuals for political persecution? THAT is infringements of rights. We're supposed to be free. Jan 6 was much ado about nothing. It is made into a big deal just for political purposes to get Trump.

[ILikeWatch]

The GOP fights for every ones rights. This includes the rights of child and the father of that child. Unlike the Socialist Democrats that think that a woman has the right to murder a baby. Women have the right not to have sex, use protection, have their tubes tide or adoption. Plan Parenthood is America's gas chambers. There is a reason why the Socialist Democrats have them in low income, minority / black & brown neighborhoods. The majority of babies murdered are black or brown. Just part of LBJ master plan. One day we will all meet our maker and when he or she ask did you support killing my children or did you oppose it, and what will you say. You will not be able to blow any smoke because it's a simple yes or no question.

Don't believe everything you think.

[RogerOver]

The GOP fights for every ones rights. This includes the rights of child and the father of that child. Unlike the Socialist Democrats that think that a woman has the right to murder a baby. Women have the right not to have sex, use protection, have their tubes tide or adoption. Plan Parenthood is America's gas chambers. There is a reason why the Socialist Democrats have them in low income, minority / black & brown neighborhoods. The majority of babies murdered are black or brown. Just part of LBJ master plan. One day we will all meet our maker and when he or she ask did you support killing my children or did you oppose it, and what will you say. You will not be able to blow any smoke because it's a simple yes or no question.

Because there's no maker to meet. You believe in shit with no rational basis, and it subsequently bleeds into your world view for everything. There's no god. Believing in a that sort of thing is right up there with the tooth fairy and santa. Grow the fuck up.

But if you're right, I'm sure you'll have a great explanation for fucking all these hookers. lol

[D Nut]

It was just a poor (and frankly, failed) excuse to witch hunt Trump. INeedAnother is exactly right. I find it interesting that even though Trump is no longer in office, the "other side" is still scared to death of him. Hilarious.

Let me point out that the Mueller investigation lasted 10 months, not 2 years. In that 10 months, there were close to 40 indictments (including Russians that were in Russia and could not be prosecuted locally), 7 GUILTY verdicts that resulted in jail time, and $45 million dollars in fines; that's $10 million dollars more than the cost of the investigation, so a PROFIT.

Also you seem to suggest that Donald Trump was exonerated. He wasn't. Bill Barr tried to say so, but in an extraordinary event, Director Mueller said his report did not exonerate Donald Trump, but that the only reason he did not recommend charging Trump was the DOJ's policy of not charging a sitting President. Trump was NOT exonerated.

By comparison, the GOP spent 4 YEARS (2012 to 2016) investigating Hillary Clinton, via 9 different Congressional committees, millions of dollars spent, with Hillary Clinton herself sitting in the witness stand for 13 hours, and. NOTHING. THE GOP found nothing. No crime was shown to have been committed. No charges were ever filed. 4 years, millions of dollars, 9 panels. Nothing.

[RogerOver]

<cut out all the dumb shit.>

Too many CAPS and hysteria. You're an idiot.

But while you're finding some more shit to put in all caps, have a read of what happens when we advocate for the people that have already been born. Dipshit.

The Child Tax Credit Expansion Kept 3 Million Children Out of Poverty After Just Its First Payment
https://www.businessinsider.com/chil...esearch-2021-8

[RogerOver]

So abortion and trans bathrooms are your big issues that mean more to you than taxation, massive growth of government and spending and destruction of manufacturing and loss of jobs and loss of real middle class?

Apparently, those issues are significant on the right since they are the ones that keep making laws that restrict those activities. So why are you blaming the other side for not liking those restrictions?

Advocating for the unborn is simply a safe activity for the right. The unborn don't require assistance, education, help for widows or unwed mothers. The truth is if they knew which ones would grow up to be atheists / democrats, they'd be all for aborting those. It's like all the people that never served standing up for veterans and demanding everyone stand for the flag. Safe shit, fake outrage without having ever put skin in the game.

[D Nut]

I think INeedAnother made some good points. I find it interesting that the democrat / liberal constituents consistently support a campaign of fake outrage and hypocrisy. They'll won't complain against blatant laws and smear campaigns when it benefits them. But will unfortunately complain when it fits their narrative. Don't get me wrong all lives matter, and it would be nice to just respectfully agree to disagree without trashing each other. But look at Ferguson MO when the truth came out in circa 2015-16. Not one democrat or liberal of high rank apologized for that. Furthermore where was justice during the fake phony Russian hoax / Mueller investigation of 2 years, that frankly ended up incriminating Hillary and the DNC? Where was justice and the Dems speaking out against the unlawful FISA warrants? Where were they when back in 2016 the message from Dems / Liberals was "resist. Hit them lower", the shooting of Rep Scalise, and the storming of the Capital by BLM and Antifa. I read that back then they had more arrests in 2016 compared to 2021. Obama creates a known terror vacuum and creates ISIS, and Biden creates another haven for terror in 2021 . And contributes $Billions to Iran, largest supporter of international terror and the Hamas. And Dems don't complain?

And regarding McCarty, like it or not my friend, those rights are protected by law (remember back when we had LAWS?) . AND GET THIS. It's an ADMITTED over reach by the dems that they cannot lawfully demand these records (see Missouri Democrat comment, Bennie Thompson, who admitted this, just last FRI). There was also a leaked admission last week that the Dems are afraid they'll loose votes form pro-abortion folks. AND THE FREEDOM YOU SPEAK OF. Is for the rights of the unborn. Remember them? You were once one, so was I. Don't they have rights? It's the baby's body, and these ambassadors are standing in the gap for the unborn, when no one else will, and knowingly know that it does not help them politically. That's integrity. That's character. That's "values. ".

There's too many lies in this post to deserve a response. Responding to them will just validate this treatise written in Fantasyland.

[GoodWill123]

It was just a poor (and frankly, failed) excuse to witch hunt Trump. INeedAnother is exactly right. I find it interesting that even though Trump is no longer in office, the "other side" is still scared to death of him. Hilarious.

So abortion and trans bathrooms are your big issues that mean more to you than taxation, massive growth of government and spending and destruction of manufacturing and loss of jobs and loss of real middle class?

Abortion, it's not really an issue of mine. I understand it, but it's practical if nothing else. I don't see it going away and think the Texas law is too restrictive, personally. I'm actually sorry it passed because it will motivate a demotivated dem base.

So make family bathrooms, no big deal. Please try to understand men not wanting to send their young daughters into bathrooms with trans men.

Subpoena personal phone data, for congressional political investigation, not even through warrants? To witch-hunt individuals for political persecution? THAT is infringements of rights. We're supposed to be free. Jan 6 was much ado about nothing. It is made into a big deal just for political purposes to get Trump.

[GoodWill123]

I think INeedAnother made some good points. I find it interesting that the democrat / liberal constituents consistently support a campaign of fake outrage and hypocrisy. They won't complain against blatant law breaks and smear campaigns when it benefits them. But will unfortunately complain when it fits their narrative. Don't get me wrong all lives matter, and it would be nice to just respectfully agree to disagree without trashing each other. But look at Ferguson MO when the truth came out in circa 2015-16. Not one democrat or liberal of high rank apologized for that. Furthermore where was justice during the fake phony Russian hoax / Mueller investigation of 2 years, that frankly ended up incriminating Hillary and the DNC? Where was justice and the Dems speaking out against the unlawful FISA warrants? Where were they when back in 2016 the message from Dems / Liberals was "resist. Hit them lower", the shooting of Rep Scalise, and the storming of the Capital by BLM and Antifa. I read that back then they had more arrests in 2016 compared to 2021. Obama creates a known terror vacuum and creates ISIS, and Biden creates another haven for terror in 2021 . And contributes $Billions to Iran, largest supporter of international terror and the Hamas. And Dems don't complain?

And regarding McCarthy, like it or not my friend, those rights are protected by law (remember back when we had LAWS?). AND GET THIS: It's an ADMITTED over reach by the dems that they cannot lawfully demand these records (see Missouri Democrat comment, Bennie Thompson, who admitted this, just last FRI). There was also a leaked admission last week that the Dems are afraid they'll loose votes from pro-abortion folks. AND THE FREEDOM YOU SPEAK OF. Is for the rights of the unborn. Remember them? You were once one, so was I. Don't they have rights? It's the baby's body, and these ambassadors are standing in the gap for the unborn, when no one else will, and knowingly know that it does not help them politically. That's integrity. That's character. That's "values."

I saw too where the largest amount of charitable and benevolence giving to charities and social causes comes from those who I'd themselves as "conservatives" , and do it privately which is the way it should be, but yet no ones acknowledges that.

I love all people, but again hate the destructive narrative that gets spun to create dissension, all because those who are anti-American have an agenda. Guys, they're just trying to turn us against each other. 1 more Case in point: I read an article that highlighted # of those shot to death by police in year 2020. I'm not qualifying each scenario as cops have it tough today, but it said 241 of those shot by police were black African American, and 169 were Hispanic. There was no mention of any other ethnic background in the narrative, but they did supply a table. Upon closer look at the table, 457 were white. I'm not justifying any actions on the part of criminals, one way or the other, but why not practice fair journalism, and speak for all sides?

We could go on an on, but the hypocrisy is obvious. And above this we should ALL be concerned about the questionable and deceitful character we see in our current president. TRAITOR JOE BIDEN (come shop at TRAITOR JOE's). He irresponsibly left Americans (and Afghans) behind in Afghanistan. Totally unacceptable. It was a botched plan of the most awful regard (many think intentional). But why should we be surprised? BIDEN was part of the SAME LEAVING AMERICANS BEHIND in BENGHAZI in 2012. You see. It's a pattern. He does not care about us. And passing these billion dollar packages pushing us into a "Venezuela" like inflation shows he further doesn't care.

So I respect your right to believe what you want, and agree to disagree, but it's hard to accept any narrative from the Dem / Liberal side of things when it's filled with ... Fake Outrage and Hypocrisy. Pure and Simple.

Which part of the Texas "heartbeat bill" is, "for individual rights and freedoms, not suppression"? The Texas Medical Association, the largest state medical association in the country released an open letter (https://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=57687) that says, "If permitted to proceed, this law will be precedent-setting and could normalize vigilante interference in the patient-physician relationship in other complex, controversial medical or ethical situations.". That sounds like suppression, not promoting individual rights and freedoms.

Also, were the GOP promoting individual rights and freedoms when they fought tooth and nail to keep same sex marriage from being made legal? I don't see how.

What about all those GOP transphobic bathroom bills? Weren't those designed to keep trans people from simply using the bathroom?

BTW-- why is Kevin McCarthy threatening telecommunication companies from obeying subpoena? Not only is it against the law to try to interfere with congressional investigations by trying to intimidate potential witnesses, but that's also interfering with a business' freedom to comply with the law.

You're talking the talk, but clearly the GOP isn't walking the walk.